Nightblade update ?? WHAT ABOUT TEMPLARS ??

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

1th im already V12, so i dont have to level..
2th Im seeing posts all over the place about templars struggeling trought even quest content they cant finish..
3th Dawn of wrath + Aedric spear are a joke in PvE and PvP..
4th They nerf our only skill worth using as a DPS skill in all 3 tree, and they nerf it because of bots..
5h Nova compared to standard DK.. its less as good, its 9 seconds instead of standard 17 seconds ??? and needs twice the freaking ultimate ???
6th You force templars to go tank/healer, because its the only tree in templar class skills that is freaking worth using ( restoring light ).. Aedric spear + Dawn of wrath, the whole tree basicly sucks.. HELP !

5th Srsly i love the game, but ZoS give us some info if you are working on templar as well, because Sorc/DK are 2 lvls higher in DPS, survivability, ultimates..

P.s and please NERF THE SORC BLINK,

anakaki

Follow the streams on twitch and you'll find out that the 15m trial legit guilds all say sorcerers are better healers. NB and templar not needed. Erlexx is a templar with respected builds on foundry and says all the time Sorcerer this and DK is OP that. ZOS promotes this guy but apparently dont give a *** about feedback from him or forums.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

anakaki wrote: »

Follow the streams on twitch and you'll find out that the 15m trial legit guilds all say sorcerers are better healers. NB and templar not needed. Erlexx is a templar with respected builds on foundry and says all the time Sorcerer this and DK is OP that. ZOS promotes this guy but apparently dont give a *** about feedback from him or forums.

Wrong im doing trials also, and i can tell you templars are better healers thanks to the healing ultimate.. But that is basicly it ( and the AOE casting heal is decent )

Its his opinion, and i respect that.. But as a templar healer i disagree, i heal my whole raid basicly solo till the second boss .. so

( They are not needed, thats maybe true.. and i dont see how ZoS is missing this.. This needs fixes and ASAP, otherwise half of the game will leave )

czar

sorc and dk aren't op, nb and templar just suck and need a buff like yesterday

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

schip wrote: »

sorc and dk aren't op, nb and templar just suck and need a buff like yesterday

I would say DK ulti needs a tweak, and sorc blink needs a tweak FOR SURE..

My m8 DK friend, gets 3x faster pvp points because of the ulti + talons..
+ Sorcerers never basicly die because of that stupid blink abuse..

And templars/NB are standing at the side line while those 2 classes are fighting it out..

What about this ? Templars + NB... DELETE !!! and just give every1 thats one of these classes a sorc or a dk to chose from -_-

rdfarley89

Hmm I have no issues with my templar, plays just fine. Can do great damage and great heals. I am not saying an issue does not exist, but is it possible that the issues seen are based on build or gear?

anakaki

Nickdorlandb16_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

Follow the streams on twitch and you'll find out that the 15m trial legit guilds all say sorcerers are better healers. NB and templar not needed. Erlexx is a templar with respected builds on foundry and says all the time Sorcerer this and DK is OP that. ZOS promotes this guy but apparently dont give a *** about feedback from him or forums.

Wrong im doing trials also, and i can tell you templars are better healers thanks to the healing ultimate.. But that is basicly it ( and the AOE casting heal is decent )

Its his opinion, and i respect that.. But as a templar healer i disagree, i heal my whole raid basicly solo till the second boss .. so

( They are not needed, thats maybe true.. and i dont see how ZoS is missing this.. This needs fixes and ASAP, otherwise half of the game will leave )

Ofcourse your right to your opinion. The ulti is not needed for trials and beyond that you can't move (wth?) what the streams are saying and I agree with is that there's no reason to bring templars, specially not for dps. Sorcerers do it better.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

rdfarley89 wrote: »

Hmm I have no issues with my templar, plays just fine. Can do great damage and great heals. I am not saying an issue does not exist, but is it possible that the issues seen are based on build or gear?

Dude i got full legendary v12, and im seeing templars struggle all over the place..

Did over 100 veteran dungeons and 10 trials runs, and i did also ALL builds prolly worth using.. Templar dps sucks even before biting jabs nerf..

Drasn

anakaki wrote: »

Follow the streams on twitch and you'll find out that the 15m trial legit guilds all say sorcerers are better healers. NB and templar not needed. Erlexx is a templar with respected builds on foundry and says all the time Sorcerer this and DK is OP that. ZOS promotes this guy but apparently dont give a *** about feedback from him or forums.

Just because people twitch their gameplay and are vocal "testers"(i use the term lightly) does not mean they are a reliable source of info.

Also, I would hope that some guy is respected on his guild's website(regardless of skill set or lack there of.)

And no, sorcs are not better healers than templars. Players that made poor decisions in building their class make bad healers.

anakaki

rdfarley89 wrote: »

Hmm I have no issues with my templar, plays just fine. Can do great damage and great heals. I am not saying an issue does not exist, but is it possible that the issues seen are based on build or gear?

I dont have any issues. I'm full gold. It's just that sorc and dk outshines us. Im talking trials and the OP across the board it seems.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

anakaki wrote: »

Nickdorlandb16_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

Follow the streams on twitch and you'll find out that the 15m trial legit guilds all say sorcerers are better healers. NB and templar not needed. Erlexx is a templar with respected builds on foundry and says all the time Sorcerer this and DK is OP that. ZOS promotes this guy but apparently dont give a *** about feedback from him or forums.

Wrong im doing trials also, and i can tell you templars are better healers thanks to the healing ultimate.. But that is basicly it ( and the AOE casting heal is decent )

Its his opinion, and i respect that.. But as a templar healer i disagree, i heal my whole raid basicly solo till the second boss .. so

( They are not needed, thats maybe true.. and i dont see how ZoS is missing this.. This needs fixes and ASAP, otherwise half of the game will leave )

Ofcourse your right to your opinion. The ulti is not needed for trials and beyond that you can't move (wth?) what the streams are saying and I agree with is that there's no reason to bring templars, specially not for dps. Sorcerers do it better.

Well not any class is needed if look at it that way... You can prolly make it with full templar party or full DK party, but ye DK prolly will be twice as fast..

And you do need ulti ( not if whole your raid is good geared and good dps rotations )

But Restoring light heals > restostaff heals ANY day..

anakaki

Nickdorlandb16_ESO wrote: »

schip wrote: »

sorc and dk aren't op, nb and templar just suck and need a buff like yesterday

And templars/NB are standing at the side line while those 2 classes are fighting it out..

This.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

anakaki wrote: »

rdfarley89 wrote: »

Hmm I have no issues with my templar, plays just fine. Can do great damage and great heals. I am not saying an issue does not exist, but is it possible that the issues seen are based on build or gear?

I dont have any issues. I'm full gold. It's just that sorc and dk outshines us. Im talking trials and the OP across the board it seems.

I dont have problems neither, its like you say indeed.. Dawn of wrath + aedric spear are useless basicly..

Im the main healer in trials, and hell i love healing it.. But as im seeing on these forums.. templars are REALLY struggeling.. and i can understand why.

I had friends to back me up with leveling and got v12 easy.. But im getting the idea ZoS is forgetting templars....

anakaki

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

Follow the streams on twitch and you'll find out that the 15m trial legit guilds all say sorcerers are better healers. NB and templar not needed. Erlexx is a templar with respected builds on foundry and says all the time Sorcerer this and DK is OP that. ZOS promotes this guy but apparently dont give a *** about feedback from him or forums.

And no, sorcs are not better healers than templars. Players that made poor decisions in building their class make bad healers.

Yes they are. But thats my opinion.

terence.caroneb17_ESO

You don't get problems with templars in PvE until VR Content (well, now you're maybe gonna get problems cause of Biting Jabs being just ***).

But in VR Content and PvP, templar as dps (and even tanking in fact, cause of Biting Jabs nerf again) is just horribly weak. Before the patch, we were weak in PvP and got our asses handed to us by every DK VR build in PvP (and Sorcs too sometimes), now it's just everywhere.

Only builds available now as VR templar now are a Healer build and Ranged dps (*** dps still, compared to sorcs and dk).

Then, they're announcing Biting Jabs will be restored as it were ... BUT with more magicka cost. Cause you know, we didn't have enough magicka costs with other skills, and we don't have any magicka management in our skills (outside a little reduction) but we're OP. One guy in the world thought Biting Jabs was OP, but this guy worked at Zenimax. Bad luck I guess.

Before, we asked for a buff of templars damage/skill trees. Now we just ask to be the weak melee templar we were a few days ago instead of just being a useless melee templar that we are today

Tankqull

anakaki wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

Follow the streams on twitch and you'll find out that the 15m trial legit guilds all say sorcerers are better healers. NB and templar not needed. Erlexx is a templar with respected builds on foundry and says all the time Sorcerer this and DK is OP that. ZOS promotes this guy but apparently dont give a *** about feedback from him or forums.

And no, sorcs are not better healers than templars. Players that made poor decisions in building their class make bad healers.

Yes they are. But thats my opinion.

i do somehow agree but the reason for this aint better healing
sustainted healing: sorc >>> Temp
raw heal power: Sorc << Temp
in summ: sorc > Temp.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

terence.caroneb17_ESO wrote: »

You don't get problems with templars in PvE until VR Content (well, now you're maybe gonna get problems cause of Biting Jabs being just ***).

But in VR Content and PvP, templar as dps (and even tanking in fact, cause of Biting Jabs nerf again) is just horribly weak. Before the patch, we were weak in PvP and got our asses handed to us by every DK VR build in PvP (and Sorcs too sometimes), now it's just everywhere.

Only builds available now as VR templar now are a Healer build and Ranged dps (*** dps still, compared to sorcs and dk).

Then, they're announcing Biting Jabs will be restored as it were ... BUT with more magicka cost. Cause you know, we didn't have enough magicka costs with other skills, and we don't have any magicka management in our skills (outside a little reduction) but we're OP. One guy in the world thought Biting Jabs was OP, but this guy worked at Zenimax. Bad luck I guess.

Before, we asked for a buff of templars damage/skill trees. Now we just ask to be the weak melee templar we were a few days ago instead of just being a useless melee templar that we are today

This, its almost unbelievable how ZoS is missing all this ?!?!?!

AlexDougherty

Nickdorlandb16_ESO wrote: »

1th im already V12, so i dont have to level..
2th Im seeing posts all over the place about templars struggeling trought even quest content they cant finish..
3th Dawn of wrath + Aedric spear are a joke in PvE and PvP..
4th They nerf our only skill worth using as a DPS skill in all 3 tree, and they nerf it because of bots..
5h Nova compared to standard DK.. its less as good, its 9 seconds instead of standard 17 seconds ??? and needs twice the freaking ultimate ???
6th You force templars to go tank/healer, because its the only tree in templar class skills that is freaking worth using ( restoring light ).. Aedric spear + Dawn of wrath, the whole tree basicly sucks.. HELP !

5th Srsly i love the game, but ZoS give us some info if you are working on templar as well, because Sorc/DK are 2 lvls higher in DPS, survivability, ultimates..

P.s and please NERF THE SORC BLINK,

Nightblade needs fixing more. I play all four classes and Nightblade is the weakest. Templars need some fixing, but Nightblades need loads of fixing.

As for nerfing another class, shame on you, asking for your class to be fixed OK, sabotaging another not ok.

Drasn

anakaki wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

Follow the streams on twitch and you'll find out that the 15m trial legit guilds all say sorcerers are better healers. NB and templar not needed. Erlexx is a templar with respected builds on foundry and says all the time Sorcerer this and DK is OP that. ZOS promotes this guy but apparently dont give a *** about feedback from him or forums.

And no, sorcs are not better healers than templars. Players that made poor decisions in building their class make bad healers.

Yes they are. But thats my opinion.

Please tell my why that you feel that way. What do sorcerers have access to that makes them better healers?

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Nickdorlandb16_ESO wrote: »

1th im already V12, so i dont have to level..
2th Im seeing posts all over the place about templars struggeling trought even quest content they cant finish..
3th Dawn of wrath + Aedric spear are a joke in PvE and PvP..
4th They nerf our only skill worth using as a DPS skill in all 3 tree, and they nerf it because of bots..
5h Nova compared to standard DK.. its less as good, its 9 seconds instead of standard 17 seconds ??? and needs twice the freaking ultimate ???
6th You force templars to go tank/healer, because its the only tree in templar class skills that is freaking worth using ( restoring light ).. Aedric spear + Dawn of wrath, the whole tree basicly sucks.. HELP !

5th Srsly i love the game, but ZoS give us some info if you are working on templar as well, because Sorc/DK are 2 lvls higher in DPS, survivability, ultimates..

P.s and please NERF THE SORC BLINK,

Nightblade needs fixing more. I play all four classes and Nightblade is the weakest. Templars need some fixing, but Nightblades need loads of fixing.

As for nerfing another class, shame on you, asking for your class to be fixed OK, sabotaging another not ok.

We play the same game ? Yes NB needs fixing, i totally agree... I dont play NB, but i do play templar and it feels the weakest of the 4 classes..

And sorc needs blink nerf, and DK standard needs a fix also.. They almost can use it non stop.. Im playing mostly with DK/Sorc and they are all having a blast while im in the back healing in pvp -_-

if i see a sorc solo in PvP i dont even bother with them anymore because they will blink away anyway

ShintaiDK

Nickdorlandb16_ESO wrote: »

And templars/NB are standing at the side line while those 2 classes are fighting it out..

What about this ? Templars + NB... DELETE !!! and just give every1 thats one of these classes a sorc or a dk to chose from -_-

Pretty much sums it up. Hell, even in Trials, its already a massive problem to get a group if you are not Sorc or DK. NB is completely out and templar can only get one if fully specced for healing.

Drasn

terence.caroneb17_ESO wrote: »

You don't get problems with templars in PvE until VR Content (well, now you're maybe gonna get problems cause of Biting Jabs being just ***).

But in VR Content and PvP, templar as dps (and even tanking in fact, cause of Biting Jabs nerf again) is just horribly weak. Before the patch, we were weak in PvP and got our asses handed to us by every DK VR build in PvP (and Sorcs too sometimes), now it's just everywhere.

Only builds available now as VR templar now are a Healer build and Ranged dps (*** dps still, compared to sorcs and dk).

Then, they're announcing Biting Jabs will be restored as it were ... BUT with more magicka cost. Cause you know, we didn't have enough magicka costs with other skills, and we don't have any magicka management in our skills (outside a little reduction) but we're OP. One guy in the world thought Biting Jabs was OP, but this guy worked at Zenimax. Bad luck I guess.

Before, we asked for a buff of templars damage/skill trees. Now we just ask to be the weak melee templar we were a few days ago instead of just being a useless melee templar that we are today

Biting jabs wasn't OP. I'm willing to bet that Zeni's data collecting showed that the majority of Templars were using that ability and rarely anything else. i don't think they want people to focus their entire combat experience using 1 ability over and over again. (also bots)

But that's all just speculation on my part.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

ShintaiDK wrote: »

Nickdorlandb16_ESO wrote: »

And templars/NB are standing at the side line while those 2 classes are fighting it out..

What about this ? Templars + NB... DELETE !!! and just give every1 thats one of these classes a sorc or a dk to chose from -_-

Pretty much sums it up. Hell, even in Trials, its already a massive problem to get a group if you are not Sorc or DK. NB is completely out and templar can only get one if fully specced for healing.

That also pretty much sums it up.. Im beginning to wonder if they are even paying to templars also

Drasn

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

Follow the streams on twitch and you'll find out that the 15m trial legit guilds all say sorcerers are better healers. NB and templar not needed. Erlexx is a templar with respected builds on foundry and says all the time Sorcerer this and DK is OP that. ZOS promotes this guy but apparently dont give a *** about feedback from him or forums.

And no, sorcs are not better healers than templars. Players that made poor decisions in building their class make bad healers.

Yes they are. But thats my opinion.

i do somehow agree but the reason for this aint better healing
sustainted healing: sorc >>> Temp
raw heal power: Sorc << Temp
in summ: sorc > Temp.

At lower levels when templars actually have magicka issues, sure the sorc can do sustained heals better. At content that actually matters, a well built templar doesn't go magicka staved either.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

Follow the streams on twitch and you'll find out that the 15m trial legit guilds all say sorcerers are better healers. NB and templar not needed. Erlexx is a templar with respected builds on foundry and says all the time Sorcerer this and DK is OP that. ZOS promotes this guy but apparently dont give a *** about feedback from him or forums.

And no, sorcs are not better healers than templars. Players that made poor decisions in building their class make bad healers.

Yes they are. But thats my opinion.

i do somehow agree but the reason for this aint better healing
sustainted healing: sorc >>> Temp
raw heal power: Sorc << Temp
in summ: sorc > Temp.

No, no, no...

Sustained healing: Temp >>>>>>>>> Sorc.. ( what you wanna spam ? grand healing ? Lingering ritual >>> ALL, Rushed ceremoney > Breath of life, is the best lifesaver there is..
( also our ultimate heal, is quite fast up every time )

Raw heal power Temp for sure anyday
In healing temp > sorc anyday..

Do more research please because templars are the best healers in game, but thats basicly it..

anakaki

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

Follow the streams on twitch and you'll find out that the 15m trial legit guilds all say sorcerers are better healers. NB and templar not needed. Erlexx is a templar with respected builds on foundry and says all the time Sorcerer this and DK is OP that. ZOS promotes this guy but apparently dont give a *** about feedback from him or forums.

And no, sorcs are not better healers than templars. Players that made poor decisions in building their class make bad healers.

Yes they are. But thats my opinion.

Please tell my why that you feel that way. What do sorcerers have access to that makes them better healers?

While it's true we have more heals at our disposal, our magicka reg is lacking vs sorc. In beta, templars were better healers.

Drasn

anakaki wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

Follow the streams on twitch and you'll find out that the 15m trial legit guilds all say sorcerers are better healers. NB and templar not needed. Erlexx is a templar with respected builds on foundry and says all the time Sorcerer this and DK is OP that. ZOS promotes this guy but apparently dont give a *** about feedback from him or forums.

And no, sorcs are not better healers than templars. Players that made poor decisions in building their class make bad healers.

Yes they are. But thats my opinion.

Please tell my why that you feel that way. What do sorcerers have access to that makes them better healers?

While it's true we have more heals at our disposal, our magicka reg is lacking vs sorc. In beta, templars were better healers.

Like I said up above, at lower levels, yes, the sorc does have the magicka regen on us. However, when you get yourself put together correctly.... boom you can heal all day, and toss volcanic runes around like its nobody's business. Regen is not an issue.

monden1980b16_ESO

Regarding Biting Jabs nerf: Think they oversee that it's a channeled ability. If it was an instant DPS skill, it may have been a bit too strong... but as I said, it's drawback is, that it's channeled.

On Topic: Played both Templar to VR2 and now DK (lvl 40 atm)... DK started somehow weak but at the moment he gets really strong (even without passives, putting most of the skill points into blacksmithing and woodworking). Standard is a crazy strong ability!
I play DK purely in melee range (no ranged abilities on my skill bar)... that's something my Templar would not survive for long.

Templar started somehow strong in early levels, but felt weaker and weaker when getting towards VR content... Now with VR2 I'm struggling in every fight (even against trash mobs)... in PvP, I still wonder sometimes how other classes (Mage, DK) can dish out so much damage, that I sometimes don't even land a hit before eating dirt.

anakaki

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

Follow the streams on twitch and you'll find out that the 15m trial legit guilds all say sorcerers are better healers. NB and templar not needed. Erlexx is a templar with respected builds on foundry and says all the time Sorcerer this and DK is OP that. ZOS promotes this guy but apparently dont give a *** about feedback from him or forums.

And no, sorcs are not better healers than templars. Players that made poor decisions in building their class make bad healers.

Yes they are. But thats my opinion.

Please tell my why that you feel that way. What do sorcerers have access to that makes them better healers?

While it's true we have more heals at our disposal, our magicka reg is lacking vs sorc. In beta, templars were better healers.

Like I said up above, at lower levels, yes, the sorc does have the magicka regen on us. However, when you get yourself put together correctly.... boom you can heal all day, and toss volcanic runes around like its nobody's business. Regen is not an issue.

It is for some people. I use seducer/willow full legendary with warlock jewelry. For those that dont have 300k it makes things way harder. Sorc has better lift off and the gear you speak of is also useable by sorcs, which we both agree has better mag reg.

Edit: Not to mention they can swap for dps. Our dps? Come on

Drasn

anakaki wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

Follow the streams on twitch and you'll find out that the 15m trial legit guilds all say sorcerers are better healers. NB and templar not needed. Erlexx is a templar with respected builds on foundry and says all the time Sorcerer this and DK is OP that. ZOS promotes this guy but apparently dont give a *** about feedback from him or forums.

And no, sorcs are not better healers than templars. Players that made poor decisions in building their class make bad healers.

Yes they are. But thats my opinion.

Please tell my why that you feel that way. What do sorcerers have access to that makes them better healers?

While it's true we have more heals at our disposal, our magicka reg is lacking vs sorc. In beta, templars were better healers.

Like I said up above, at lower levels, yes, the sorc does have the magicka regen on us. However, when you get yourself put together correctly.... boom you can heal all day, and toss volcanic runes around like its nobody's business. Regen is not an issue.

It is for some people. I use seducer/willow full legendary with warlock jewelry. For those that dont have 300k it makes things way harder. Sorc has better lift off and the gear you speak of is also useable by sorcs, which we both agree has better mag reg.

Yes gear is available to both, and sure they have better regen.... but when regen is not a problem, how are they better healers?

anakaki

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

Follow the streams on twitch and you'll find out that the 15m trial legit guilds all say sorcerers are better healers. NB and templar not needed. Erlexx is a templar with respected builds on foundry and says all the time Sorcerer this and DK is OP that. ZOS promotes this guy but apparently dont give a *** about feedback from him or forums.

And no, sorcs are not better healers than templars. Players that made poor decisions in building their class make bad healers.

Yes they are. But thats my opinion.

Please tell my why that you feel that way. What do sorcerers have access to that makes them better healers?

While it's true we have more heals at our disposal, our magicka reg is lacking vs sorc. In beta, templars were better healers.

Like I said up above, at lower levels, yes, the sorc does have the magicka regen on us. However, when you get yourself put together correctly.... boom you can heal all day, and toss volcanic runes around like its nobody's business. Regen is not an issue.

It is for some people. I use seducer/willow full legendary with warlock jewelry. For those that dont have 300k it makes things way harder. Sorc has better lift off and the gear you speak of is also useable by sorcs, which we both agree has better mag reg.

Yes gear is available to both, and sure they have better regen.... but when regen is not a problem, how are they better healers?

When they can't afford 300k, like I said.