Templar problems

fyrefenix

i have been playing a templar since launch and i only had difficulties with certain bosses however now in veteran 4 area of ali'kir desert i can no longer solo the monsters and i have since it was available used ransack crippling slash biting jabs luminous shards/unstoppable and if it was needed lingering ritual and shield bash/ 1h axe and my ultimate was empowering sweep now this build no longer works for me a customer service rep told me veteran content was not meant to be solo'ed but my guild mates say that is not true and they can solo it no problem, so my question to everyone is what can i do differently to be able to solo veteran 4 areas since my build is no longer effective

fyrefenix

sigh

Goibot

Same here, I would really like to know what build they would like us to use to play Their game. They broke my build by nerfing bash and bitting jabs. Obviously I can't play the game my way so I too would really like to know what way they want us to play?

Come on give us a hint. I'm on my 3rd build and it isn't working. I don't have the skill points to keep trying to find the way YOU want us to play.

grizzbi

meanwhile in Craglorn

Veakoth

If its a caster world boss use Eclipse, then sit back and watch, otherwise you need help

Nox_Aeterna

Heh , i dont even bother.

I log because of the hirelings/horse...

But i dont fight at all , and i will do so until my sub ends , if they fix it , then fine i keep going , if they dont , then i wont worry about my horse anymore.

fyrefenix

yeah im done with templars they wont issue me a skill reset or gold compensation for the insane respec amount id have to pay im done too im a pre order imperial edition customer and all i get with my efforts is simply. send a bug report.

fyrefenix

i say cut my losses and play a different game. templars are like the huntards from world of warcaft lol

fyrefenix

mean while when two veteran 4 beetles are too much for a nerfed templar to handle

Lynx7386

Goibot wrote: »

Same here, I would really like to know what build they would like us to use to play Their game. They broke my build by nerfing bash and bitting jabs. Obviously I can't play the game my way so I too would really like to know what way they want us to play?

Come on give us a hint. I'm on my 3rd build and it isn't working. I don't have the skill points to keep trying to find the way YOU want us to play.

What build they want you to use?

They want you to reroll a destro staff dragonknight.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

Sadly, i agree.. I'm also getting very angry about templar.. We are only good in healing or maybe tanking, but DPS wise we suck rly hard ...

Almost all skills DONT do any dps apart from Darkflare what needs a tweak also, im getting really angry that they nerfed biting jabs because of bots..
( nerfing a class because of bots, its just stupid )

Im a healing templar and already v12, but i can understand your struggle..
Its getting out of hand and ZoS aint giving us any information about tweaks they have planned ( or even if they have some planned )

P.s PvP also i only use mostly Aurora Javelin, thats worth using as DMG skill ( if used ranged )

Whole the Dawn of wrath is a joke, and actually Aedric spear also


http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/103624/nightblade-update-what-about-templars#latest

Take a look here -_-

aggie.latinob14_ESO

What build are you running?

I have no problems with survivability as a templar, I mean we have pretty awesome heals! VR12 atm and have had no issues with tanking in groups or even in pvp solo. Can take a pretty big beating from most mobs and players before going down.

As a heavy templar, just make sure you slot the proper skills as a tank and your survivability will increase dramatically.

I run 2h on my other skill line that focuses on dps and cc (primarily cc). Volcanic rune for multiple mobs is a must!

I never really used Biting Jabs, drained too much mana and was more burst dps than control in a fight. Make sure to balance out your skill line so that you don't drain one line too fast as well.

idk

With my build that is a healer, but certainly setup for DPS in both dungeons and solo questing leveling up in the VR gold area, I had no issues before the unannounced nerf. Yes, I died some when making a mistake or making the wrong counter to an NPC moving. I used more than one ability against groups than just Biting Jabs. Since the Templar's only CC abilities are snares and stuns that last seconds, I was up close with the groups.

After the nerf we found out about after we went into combat I quickly found out jabs could not be used any more unless there was a certainty the last of the mobs would die. I have since put my Templar out to pasture until I want to take the time to figure out a new combat style that does not require me to go full mele.

As far as the nerf, I have no issue if they nerfed our best skill in a class best suited to buff damage as far as DPS is concerned. I take issue with their ill thought plan that causes a player to have absolutely no ability to do anything for more than a second, other than stand their like an idiot after Jabs is used. Really, what were they thinking? I enjoyed my Templar until last week.

Instead, you will find me on my Sorcerer. With my Sorc, if I want to play ranged while solo questing I can without getting near the NPCs in a manner much better than on my Templar. DPS is a blast on a Sorc.

RivenCsky

Veakoth wrote: »

If its a caster world boss use Eclipse, then sit back and watch, otherwise you need help

Buzzz wrong answer. A Templar knows that this skill does not work on bosses and many mini bosses. Your best bet is Power of the light providing the group does not kill the boss under 7 second, Note in Craglorn world open grinding they typically do so ya no XP for the Templar.

Cogo

I am sure Zenimax will fix whats wrong with Templars just like they are working on with night blades.

Just dont expext upgrades and be able to solo again. All 4 classes has their strenght and weaknesses. From the start it looked to me that Templars didnt have any weakness?

Nox_Aeterna

Cogo wrote: »

I am sure Zenimax will fix whats wrong with Templars just like they are working on with night blades.

Just dont expext upgrades and be able to solo again. All 4 classes has their strenght and weaknesses. From the start it looked to me that Templars didnt have any weakness?

Cogo mate , templar is not the class people make videos owning the game with.

Since the start even.

Templars were behind and templars are still behind , all zen did was for some crazy reason , go out of their way , to hit them even further.

The reason i refuse to adapt to such absurd change is exactly this.

Templar is the underdog , which is ofc annoying , but passable for the time being , now , they actually went out of their way to nerf its dps? Templars are know for having crappy dps and they come to nerf it even more? While DKs , which were the class who had the most absurd videos STILL make videos but now is them soloing craglorn content?

Yeah ... zen went too far this time.

Templars have MANY down sides , the most obvious one , that i cant see how you missed , is the lack of any decent AoE CC.

Templars are HORRIBLE when it comes to resource management , which is the reason currently many point to other classes being the best healers in the game. And ofc , they cant keep up constant magicka based dps ...

Templars even before the nerf were already a poor dps choice , they are a passable tank, but dps? Only a group that does not care at all about optimization would ever take a dps templar and i mean it , the gap is clear.

...

Cogo

I still think a templar healer would be better then a dk healer

fyrefenix

im playing guild wars 2 until zenimax fixes templars

Nox_Aeterna

Cogo wrote: »

I still think a templar healer would be better then a dk healer

And i agree with you entirely.

Not something i like much , i would rather have all classes having access to builds that alowed them to be equal , even if yes , they had to go to build X to be competitive at the top , but hey , atleast everyone would be able to do it if they so wanted.

The issue i have with this , is that , ok , they were already behind in dps anyway , so why nerf them even more? What exactly is the point of this? If they were the top healers and the top dps options , ok.

Zen might wanted to not allow them to do that , templars should only aim for best healers in this game ... not something i like , but ok.

Still , they were not near the top dps spot , so ... just why?

Maybe if they came around and gave a reasonable explanation to this , which the cc lock is not since templars got MUCH better ways to cc lock 1 target , what they lack is AoE CC , then yeah , maybe then. If i tried to CC lock a vet boss with bitting jabs , i would probably die , my mana would run out a before i killed the target.

But they made this nerf , without adding to the patch notes and without telling us an actual valid reason.

ZoM_Head

i am a veteran 4 in the Aldmeri Dominion, hit Eastmarch and i really do not have that much of a problem soloing bosses.

Single bosses that are not immune to knock backs, i just hit them with:

Binding Javelin: Peircing Javelin Morprh
Reflective Light: Sun Fire Morph
Volcanic Rune: Fire Rune morph from mages guild as another precaution for knock backs).
Turn Undead: Circle of Protection morph from fighters guild.

Ultimate: I was using soul assult (soul magic morph), now i am leveling meteor ultimate from mages guild as well.

What i mentioned above is my solo/leveling set-up, my second skill bar.

I am running as a healer 1st (my first skill bar is all about healing, heal over time and increasing armour) then my second bar is for soloing/leveling/testing skills.

I also invested into Volcanic Rune, the morph for Fire rune from the mages guild, it is pretty much a must against mobs (dark talons is just awsome from the dragon knight).

I am running 5 light and 2 heavy, resto staff on both bars for regaining magicka back. I rarely run our of magicka at all. As a precaustion i investd heavily into alchamey for potions to restore magicka/increases spell crit/ increases spell power as my "oh crap" button. I will go full light once i get my 6th trait on leggings (got 5 on everything right now, taking 3-4 days per trait.....)

If i learned anything from veteran, you need to keep a distance. Unless you are dual wielding and there is a single target and being a night blade is maybe the only exception when going solo.

Being a templar healer, cleansing ritual is such a life saviour to your group in dungeons. The amount of negative effects being thrown at you is silly, purify, purify, purify.

Do not forget the passives, healing more when allies are on low health, increasing their crits when on lower health, faster rez of allies etc.

terence.caroneb17_ESO

So you play templar healer, what ZoS pushes us all to do ...

akriden

Veakoth wrote: »

If its a caster world boss use Eclipse, then sit back and watch, otherwise you need help

This skill doesn't work with Bosses.

Zarkaz

Templar is best support, great heals, power of light spam alone will make sure you do 1.5k damage each 3 seconds with grp(it refines damge of itself btw ) as a healer,Practiced incarnation is just op giant AoE heal. You are like GOD on battlefield with team. Exploit your strongest part on a way to glory!

Alone vs PvE it is still good, not op like DK but you shouldn't die at all vs 3-5 vet normal mobs, even 1, some 2 dot bosses solable.

1vs1 pvp isnt good agains good DK or Sorc tho... or i am just bad

Sidrath

akriden wrote: »

Veakoth wrote: »

If its a caster world boss use Eclipse, then sit back and watch, otherwise you need help

This skill doesn't work with Bosses.

Yep. Works fine for trash but most bosses/mini-bosses give you the "That target is too powerful for this effect" message. I'm going to guess that the DK's Dragonfire Scale (reflects all spells for 4 seconds, reflects 35% more damage than original spell) works just fine against boss spells...?

Kinda hilarious that Eclipse is not just systematically worse than the DK equivalent, but also more expensive! (476 Magicka per use of Eclipse vs 392 Magicka per use of Dragon Fire Scale)

Edit: I might as well mention this so they can go ahead and nerf Templars further into oblivion because, you know, #1 bot class: Max Rank Eclipse with Enduring Rays (+20% duration) lasts for 6 seconds on tooltip. However in practice, the debuff on viable targets will last about 10 seconds. Either the tooltip is giving an erroneous duration, or the ability is lasting longer than intended.

Francescolg

Power of the light is OVERRATED.. Please check how much dmg YOU HAVE TO DO to reach the 1500 tick.. loool DO THE MATH, kk, thx, nxt

Zarkaz

Francescolg wrote: »

Power of the light is OVERRATED.. Please check how much dmg YOU HAVE TO DO to reach the 1500 tick.. loool DO THE MATH, kk, thx, nxt

It is grp utility, with 3 team mates doing damage it was doing 1500 on boss each 3-4 seconds, as i said it also using previous PotL damage as own build up if you cast before it wears off. When you use PotL + Combat prayer your team DPS skyyrocket.

Tankqull

Zarkaz wrote: »

Francescolg wrote: »

Power of the light is OVERRATED.. Please check how much dmg YOU HAVE TO DO to reach the 1500 tick.. loool DO THE MATH, kk, thx, nxt

It is grp utility, with 3 team mates doing damage it was doing 1500 on boss each 3-4 seconds, as i said it also using previous PotL damage as own build up if you cast before it wears off. When you use PotL + Combat prayer your team DPS skyyrocket.

this has been changed long ago... all backlash moprhs stay the full duration of 6sec and only then release their ~1.5k dmg and reaplying it befor the former duration has ended only resets the current duration without delivering any dmg.

williamburr2001b14_ESO

Zarkaz wrote: »

Templar is best support, great heals, power of light spam alone will make sure you do 1.5k damage each 3 seconds with grp(it refines damge of itself btw ) as a healer,Practiced incarnation is just op giant AoE heal. You are like GOD on battlefield with team. Exploit your strongest part on a way to glory!

Alone vs PvE it is still good, not op like DK but you shouldn't die at all vs 3-5 vet normal mobs, even 1, some 2 dot bosses solable.

1vs1 pvp isnt good agains good DK or Sorc tho... or i am just bad

Most of this is gibberish. There aren't any Templar specific skills that make it the best class for healing or support, those skills are in staff and guild trees. There is no such skill as Power of Light. Practiced Incantation is an expensive Ultimate, what do you expect it to do?

Alone vs. PVE it's total garbage, but it's survivability against more than 2 mobs is close to 0 if you're using Templar skill trees. Templar carries no benefits to dps in its skills whatsoever. It can stay alive almost indefinitely if you dedicate all resources to mana regen, damage mit/avoid, and heals, but it can't dps at the same time.

Nox_Aeterna

akriden wrote: »

Veakoth wrote: »

If its a caster world boss use Eclipse, then sit back and watch, otherwise you need help

This skill doesn't work with Bosses.

It works on anything that takes cc , and many world bosses even , take it.

Atleast up to vr9 zone , which i played and killed the world bosses.

fyrefenix

my templar tank was nerfed and is useless so i cannot get past ali'kir desert, 2 beetles are tougher than me.

i cannot afford the 20k plus gold to respec and be the healer that zenimax wants me to be.

and i enjoyed the 1-50 story quest but i don't know if it was worth 95 dollars.

Darrett

williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »

Zarkaz wrote: »

Templar is best support, great heals, power of light spam alone will make sure you do 1.5k damage each 3 seconds with grp(it refines damge of itself btw ) as a healer,Practiced incarnation is just op giant AoE heal. You are like GOD on battlefield with team. Exploit your strongest part on a way to glory!

Alone vs PvE it is still good, not op like DK but you shouldn't die at all vs 3-5 vet normal mobs, even 1, some 2 dot bosses solable.

1vs1 pvp isnt good agains good DK or Sorc tho... or i am just bad

Most of this is gibberish. There aren't any Templar specific skills that make it the best class for healing or support, those skills are in staff and guild trees. There is no such skill as Power of Light. Practiced Incantation is an expensive Ultimate, what do you expect it to do?

Alone vs. PVE it's total garbage, but it's survivability against more than 2 mobs is close to 0 if you're using Templar skill trees. Templar carries no benefits to dps in its skills whatsoever. It can stay alive almost indefinitely if you dedicate all resources to mana regen, damage mit/avoid, and heals, but it can't dps at the same time.

Agreed on the healer part; Nightblades and Sorcerers both make better healers because they have resource management skills and can concentrate on weapon damage to increase heal strength instead of having to split between spell and weapon damage like we do.

There is a morph of Backlash called Power of the Light though.