ZOS fixes Ruins of Kardala in Craglorn in a day but ignores half of the bugs in this game

hesobad

How can ZOS patch ruins of Kardala in a day, but have ignored the Party leader bug which leaves many party's without a crowned leader to re que dungeons for weeks.

This party leader bug has the consequence that if a dungeon party needs to replace a member, but no member is crowned leader (which they are forced to drop party and reform to get a crowned leader) that in turn will kick everyone from the dungeon and force your group in restarting the dungeon.

This has been an issue since release, seems a bit odd that ZOS would fix Kardala public dungeon immediately yet continue to ignore more than half the bugs in their game

McDoogs

Vampire hunger stage cost reductions break upon logging/zoning. This has happened since beta.

God forbid people get to VR12 in a timely fashion.

Silverglass66

Because some bugs are more complex than others, because some bugs are in code where a change can have far reaching effects.

Zaxq

I was levelling a Templar alt due to NBs being completely f**king broken and unwanted in groups due to being completely s**t compared to DKs and Sorcs.

Having already hit vet10 legitimately the first time around, grinding Kardala was at least allowing me to level in a reasonable time frame without having to re-do all the boring crap I've already done - which also would have let me play with my friends/guild again.

Now, instead of stopping me levelling up a useful character by grinding - how about you spend that time fixing all the broken NB junk that you're telling me will take months?

I was enjoying the game. Now, not so much.

Orihara_Izaya

McDoogs wrote: »

Vampire hunger stage cost reductions break upon logging/zoning. This has happened since beta.

God forbid people get to VR12 in a timely fashion.

Truth! I mean VR grinding is ridiculous and this is what they fix something that makes it reasonable? Ya 1000's of bugs in the game, let's not fix those...

Hoylegu

To all the whiners: "triage."

Look it up.

ZiRM

Craglorn has cost them ALOT of subs and so have the exploits and bugs they continue to ignore.

Natjur

NiRN wrote: »

Craglorn has cost them ALOT of subs and so have the exploits and bugs they continue to ignore.

Unsub numbers is the only thing that effects what they do at the moment. Lots of people unsub due to the V1-V10 mobs HP and damage increase, so they hot fixed that.

Anything that directly effects profit = Priory 1. Anything is secondary. Until the bugs you talked about cause people to unsub, they will be 'on the list' to fix but maybe months away. (unless its an easy fix, then that gets done fast but as a coder, that makes sense)

rattbagrwb17_ESO

Seriously? You came here to complain that they fixed something quickly.

You don't understand that some things are easier to fix than others, and ZoS are doing their best to prioritise things as best they can, to get as many updates out as quickly as possible?

Aldrorius

Why? why zos did you fix my quick lvl exploit soooo quick!!!! hate you!!!

op ^

Zaxq

rattbagrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Seriously? You came here to complain that they fixed something quickly.

You don't understand that some things are easier to fix than others, and ZoS are doing their best to prioritise things as best they can, to get as many updates out as quickly as possible?

Fix what exactly? You still had to go in and kill the mobs and bosses. It wasn't free XP.

Was it quicker than grinding all the tedious, boring (and often broken/bugged) crap? You bet it was.

What difference does it even make if people hit v12 in 2 days instead of 5? Absolutely none.

Basically my options now for my v2 Alt is to go and do the slow, mind-numbingly dull and incredibly glacial-slow vet zone junk again. Stuff ive already done once before.

There is no alternative.

baka77b14_ESO

They didn't really "fix" Kardala. They essentially just broke it all to hell to stop anyone from killing the boss, I'm guessing until they can implement a proper patch.

Now, that boss despawns instantly, even if it's your first try....pretty ham-fisted "fix." The hilarious part is that they are 2 days too late with their response & now there are tons of capped players running around. LOL

Loco_Mofo

*facepalm*

So hard to please people.

Zeni fix a farming spot that was giving out way too much XP and you use this to form your complaint. Really?

McDoogs

It wasnt even a fix, they made a mechanic that they designed, implemented, and (supposedly) tested (LOL) completely pointless. This was just yet another knee jerk reaction from this outage-driven development company.

Nightblades still suck. Fix that you clowns.

Also, we are all VR12 already and jokes on us because the pvp completely lacks meaningful objectives and the trials are a joke.

DaBlade

Do you think there is only one Person to fix Problems? there are different Teams, with different Tasks to do. and some of These Tasks are more difficult to cover then others. so one Team got ready, others are still working.
and obviously do they try to work on several stuff.

Zaxq

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

*facepalm*

So hard to please people.

Zeni fix a farming spot that was giving out way too much XP and you use this to form your complaint. Really?

It doesn't give out way too much xp - it gave out exactly the amount they intended.

The "problem" people like you seem to have is that you could run it repeatedly.

Feel free to carry on being smarmy and trying to appear clever tho with your tired, clichéd *facepalm* crap.

Mablung

Zaxq wrote: »

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

*facepalm*

So hard to please people.

Zeni fix a farming spot that was giving out way too much XP and you use this to form your complaint. Really?

It doesn't give out way too much xp - it gave out exactly the amount they intended.

The "problem" people like you seem to have is that you could run it repeatedly.

Feel free to carry on being smarmy and trying to appear clever tho with your tired, clichéd *facepalm* crap.

I think you are missing the point. The design intention was most likely not for everyone to abuse the respawn rate/xp gain from this particular place but to allow an area for those V10 and up to have a place to 'farm'.

However, as with all things something was not correctly coded and lower ranked/leveled characters were taking advantage of an exploitable situation. Allowing them to have an unfair advantage over many who have leveled through the tedious Vet system. It is much like the mob toughness break at patch launch, didnt go quite as planned.

So [snip] about not having easy mode anymore and go back to what you were doing....or don't but either way, just please [snip].

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Loco_Mofo

Zaxq wrote: »

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

*facepalm*

So hard to please people.

Zeni fix a farming spot that was giving out way too much XP and you use this to form your complaint. Really?

It doesn't give out way too much xp - it gave out exactly the amount they intended.

The "problem" people like you seem to have is that you could run it repeatedly.

Feel free to carry on being smarmy and trying to appear clever tho with your tired, clichéd *facepalm* crap.

Semantics.

They hot fixed something that was leveling players too quickly.

Not the point of my post anyway. Zeni can't win with some people. They try to do something positive and still cop flack for it.

Are you really that sensitive to get upset over a face palm not even directed at you? harden up buttercup.

davidropb16_ESO

ARE YOU CRAZY, COMPLIMENT, WHO STAY AT HOME EVERYTIMES NOW IS LVL V12, ALL OTHER DON'T HAVE ANYMORE THE POSSIBILITY TO DO IT IN THE SAME TIME. COMPLIMENT!!!!! NOW IN AVA ALL IS BALANCED!!!!!

Listen you forced us to make quest, i need exp to play with my guild, I wanted to do all the quest when i want, NO! you say me that i need to do all the main quest, then all cadwell's to progress, ty you've ruined the game experience because i'm forced to do quest when i only need level now. I like exit in game and make quests Random, no you need to do all the quest in the order otherwise all kind of bug appear... compliment!!!!

there are many people that does'n have the time to level in the same time of his the guild's member, but need to have a leveled char as his guild member, so i farm a little to stay at the same level and don't make my guild loose cause my low level.

It is not written anywhere that I have to play like you want me to play, i play as i like!!!

You made some people level to V12 in 3 hour then fix it rapidly, when most of game bug still there, like LAG, CRUSH, FPS DROP DOWN, NEVER CHANGE WEAPON IN COMBAT, SKILL BALANCE, SKILL THAT DOESN'T WORK ecc ecc,

I WANT THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO WHO LEVELED IN 3 HOUR, MY REAL LIFE CAN NOT PENALIZE ME!!!!!

i know you only trash this message as garbage, but listen all have a limit,
the drop continues to fall, if you made a mistake, it is unfair that only some may benefit, and who come later????

blessed are the first because it will be the first!!!!!

davidropb16_ESO

ps. i don't see any bug in this dung, i drop a thing to summon a boss, there isn't any exploit or abuse, like some dungeon have.

bugulu

Seriously, being able to summon a boss so he can grant you 40k veteran points over and over again, resetting the instance over and over again, is fine and nothing wrong with it?

Running from one anomaly to another and hitting the boss gives you 40k veteran points and a chest which contain mostly epics is perfectly fine?

Sorry, I don't understand some peoples logic.


Why not have an NPC that grants you levels? Because that is exactly same effort it took to level up with these mechanics = None!

Jarnhand

Zaxq wrote: »

What difference does it even make if people hit v12 in 2 days instead of 5? Absolutely none.

Yeah right... If maybe you are able to area farm fast you can do it in 2 days of nonstop farming (hello lunaticward). If you do it like it was meant to be done (questing in the other 2 realms), it will take weeks of daily questing.

I am getting tired if Zenimax messeing it up, and beta testers not reporting problems, and abusing them when they go live...

This is the third time this kind if thing has happened since relese!
(First PvP quest spaming, second dungeon exp nerf, and how this).
Exploiters get rewarded, the rest is left in the dirt.

Nitratas

I will never realise why it's being called 'exploit'. Zenimax made it that way, they made specific items drop that can be used to repeatedly summon the boss. THEY made it that way. So the question i ask zenimax: are you freaking thinking before you implement something into the game? Do you lack the ability to foresee what can be possibly farmed/grinded or not?

McDoogs

PvP is still completely broken (caltrops) and they are worried about people being able to actually level efficiently. LOL i think zos might be SOE v2.0

htoncic

bugulu wrote: »

Seriously, being able to summon a boss so he can grant you 40k veteran points over and over again, resetting the instance over and over again, is fine and nothing wrong with it?

Running from one anomaly to another and hitting the boss gives you 40k veteran points and a chest which contain mostly epics is perfectly fine?

Sorry, I don't understand some peoples logic.


Why not have an NPC that grants you levels? Because that is exactly same effort it took to level up with these mechanics = None!

Well, since the entire game works this way, then yes, it's perfectly fine. In case you haven't noticed, there is no such thing as a dungeon lockout in this game. They were intentionally designed so that you could farm them repeatedly, with no limit, as much as you wanted. If you don't understand logic, it could be because you're bad at it. Just sayin...

bugulu

htoncic wrote: »

bugulu wrote: »

Seriously, being able to summon a boss so he can grant you 40k veteran points over and over again, resetting the instance over and over again, is fine and nothing wrong with it?

Running from one anomaly to another and hitting the boss gives you 40k veteran points and a chest which contain mostly epics is perfectly fine?

Sorry, I don't understand some peoples logic.


Why not have an NPC that grants you levels? Because that is exactly same effort it took to level up with these mechanics = None!

Well, since the entire game works this way, then yes, it's perfectly fine. In case you haven't noticed, there is no such thing as a dungeon lockout in this game. They were intentionally designed so that you could farm them repeatedly, with no limit, as much as you wanted. If you don't understand logic, it could be because you're bad at it. Just sayin...

So you are comparing dungeons that take 20 minutes and grants you 250k veteran points to Kardala grind that takes 10 minutes and grinds 400k veteran points and grants epics in pretty much every single kill? Not to take in consideration that veteran dungeons, you could actually die in.
Dying in Kardala against the forgotten would be pretty bad.

If you don't understand the flaw of this, it could be because you are stupid. Just saying... I can play the personal attack game aswell.... moron.

doggie

It's also a public relations thing, the bugs that have been in there for months will not cause any negative articles on third party sites while a brolen part in Craglorn can cause negatives on sites. I bet that's a big reason to fix newly released content.

zaria

Natjur wrote: »

NiRN wrote: »

Craglorn has cost them ALOT of subs and so have the exploits and bugs they continue to ignore.

Unsub numbers is the only thing that effects what they do at the moment. Lots of people unsub due to the V1-V10 mobs HP and damage increase, so they hot fixed that.

Anything that directly effects profit = Priory 1. Anything is secondary. Until the bugs you talked about cause people to unsub, they will be 'on the list' to fix but maybe months away. (unless its an easy fix, then that gets done fast but as a coder, that makes sense)

True, the other factor is bug complexity, changing enemy difficulty who was changed by an bug or xp gain is simple. Bugs like the leader disappears is harder.
yes they could add a function where anybody could take leadership if no leader but is new functionality not an fix.

SilverWF

Damn on you Zenimax for fixing Kardala!

The_Drexill

My problem is this... Veteran grind is awful. It's boring and repetitive... it simply sucks. I'm ok with that, I don't care. Not the first time or the last that I'll do that.

What I do care about, is that when the game came out the PvP quests were exploitable. People hit Vr1, some hit Vr10 within a week of release because of it... then of course, they fixed it. Great, we got a bug fix in... but now there's tons of VR players FARMING everyone in PvP... these guys got an amazing opportunity simply because of an exploit... ZoS did nothing at all.

Now, legit players are into the VR grind and Craglorn comes out. The people that exploited before are now exploiting again and are already V12 and farming trials (because they're easy), legit players are pretty much jumping at the chance to exploit Kardala to "catch up", but now with Kardala nerfed... most of us that arent V12 have another massive grind ahead of us, while those very same exploiters get to go PvP farming (And trial farming) yet again.

Yeah, I'm crying about it... Yeah, I'm jealous... but mostly, it makes me question... the next time there's an exploit, should I just hit it hard with no regards? I mean, ZoS does nothing about them from what I can tell, they'll just eventually break it and tell us congrats?

Would it have been so harmful to just leave Kardala alone? Maybe nerf the epics, even slightly nerf the xp? I'm not so sure.

reggielee

glad they responded in a timely manner to the latest exploit. quit your whining you cheating arse

and yah, i does rewards the biggest arses out there who exploited same day like on opening day in eso so then they will be again be on top in pvp with all their cheated buffs and with their like minded cheating guild pals.. like what else is new. why do you even play pvp anymore?