Yes, Nightblade is primarily rogue. Stop saying otherwise.

bg22

I'm not talking about what is broken or not, I'm just sick of ppl saying "stop thinking NB is supposed to be a rogue class".

-It is called "Nightblade".
-We have a "shadow" skill tree.
-We have an "assassination" skill tree.
-We are displayed in character creation as a medium armored, dual wielding type.

So stop. Just stop.

It is in fact primarily a rogue class. Yes, you CAN be a healer. Yes you CAN be a tank. But Those are not the PRIMARY roles of this class.

Kypho

Just like other classes can be healer, tank (no more bashspamming tanks QQ LoL), but agree. rouge class till first move is done. after you did the first attack from stealth, you are no more than a lolblade compared to other classes 1 on 1.

Akhratos

Not like ZOS rewards anything besides magicka spellspam builds.

Dont rage, simply flow how they want you to. Wear a light, cap armor like a boss, win.

bg22

Kypho wrote: »

Just like other classes can be healer, tank (no more bashspamming tanks QQ LoL), but agree. rouge class till first move is done. after you did the first attack from stealth, you are no more than a lolblade compared to other classes 1 on 1.

I play a medium armor, dual wield NB and ROFLstomp ppl 1v1. Melee spec'd Templars that know how to play put up the best fights.

Aeradon

Play what you want. My NB is a tank role.

pknecron

Mine is an Archer. Quit trying to tell me how to play the game. It's my game and I'll play how I wan't to.

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bg22

pknecron wrote: »

Mine is an Archer. Quit trying to tell me how to play the game. It's my game and I'll play how I wan't to.

Archers are also rogues.

Also, where did I tell anyone how to play? I wish you could -1 people on these forums. I made a post about how ppl refer to the classes MAIN function.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

Sleepwalker

Flawed logic is flawed.

But hey, so what level do dragon knights get their flying dragon mounts though? Dragon... Knight, right?

pknecron

bg22 wrote: »

pknecron wrote: »

Mine is an Archer. Quit trying to tell me how to play the game. It's my game and I'll play how I wan't to.

Archers are also rogues.

Mines a Ranger thank-you. I don't use the rogue skills much from the NB trees.

Moderator edit: Removed quoted content from another moderated post.

bg22

pknecron wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

pknecron wrote: »

Mine is an Archer, so STFU. Quit trying to tell me how to play the game. It's my game and I'll play how I wan't to.

Archers are also rogues.
Your father never called you "son", did he?

Mines a Ranger thank-you. I don't use the rogue skills much from the NB trees.

Do you even comprehend what you're saying?

You say "Nightblades" aren't rogues, then say you don't use the rogue skills from the Nightblade tree.

Brilliant.

bg22

Sleepwalker wrote: »

Flawed logic is flawed.

But hey, so what level do dragon knights get their flying dragon mounts though? Dragon... Knight, right?

I guess they don't have abilities where they sprout dragon wings and breath fire either?

Guppet

pknecron wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

pknecron wrote: »

Mine is an Archer, so STFU. Quit trying to tell me how to play the game. It's my game and I'll play how I wan't to.

Archers are also rogues.
Your father never called you "son", did he?

Mines a Ranger thank-you. I don't use the rogue skills much from the NB trees.

Your a bow based NB? Completed VR content with that bow of yours?

Ysne58

I choose not to call my nightblade a rogue. That limits what she can do way too much so no I will not make that claim about that class.

Valn

bg22 wrote: »

I'm not talking about what is broken or not, I'm just sick of ppl saying "stop thinking NB is supposed to be a rogue class".

-It is called "Nightblade".
-We have a "shadow" skill tree.
-We have an "assassination" skill tree.
-We are displayed in character creation as a medium armored, dual wielding type.

So stop. Just stop.

It is in fact primarily a rogue class. Yes, you CAN be a healer. Yes you CAN be a tank. But Those are not the PRIMARY roles of this class.

The night blade skill trees can be considered rouge type skills yes.

However people can play the game and put no points into their nightblade skill trees, and choose to wear heavy armor and and 1h shield and become a tank. It doesnt mean they are a nightblade tank. It means they are a tank that just happened to select the nightblade skill lines.

bg22

Valn wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

I'm not talking about what is broken or not, I'm just sick of ppl saying "stop thinking NB is supposed to be a rogue class".

-It is called "Nightblade".
-We have a "shadow" skill tree.
-We have an "assassination" skill tree.
-We are displayed in character creation as a medium armored, dual wielding type.

So stop. Just stop.

It is in fact primarily a rogue class. Yes, you CAN be a healer. Yes you CAN be a tank. But Those are not the PRIMARY roles of this class.

The night blade skill trees can be considered rouge type skills yes.

However people can play the game and put no points into their nightblade skill trees, and choose to wear heavy armor and and 1h shield and become a tank. It doesnt mean they are a nightblade tank. It means they are a tank that just happened to select the nightblade skill lines.

Are we talking about Nightblades general purpose or weapon/armor general purpose?

Nightblade. We're talking about the PRIMARY generalization of this classes skill equaling "rogue". Nothing more.

I never said that they can't play anything but rogues, in fact I stated the opposite.

I would love to see the SAT reading comprehension scores of this community.

subecsanur

bg22 wrote: »

I'm not talking about what is broken or not, I'm just sick of ppl saying "stop thinking NB is supposed to be a rogue class".

-It is called "Nightblade".
-We have a "shadow" skill tree.
-We have an "assassination" skill tree.
-We are displayed in character creation as a medium armored, dual wielding type.

So stop. Just stop.

It is in fact primarily a rogue class. Yes, you CAN be a healer. Yes you CAN be a tank. But Those are not the PRIMARY roles of this class.

Ditto, what was depicted and promoted can not be applied hence when ppl say its is playable it is only after creative attempt to go outside of the box to achieve it. Hence it should not be this way!

ZOS_TristanK

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Noctisse

bg22, when making a thread trying to prove something in a forum, try to calmly reason with people instead of responding aggressively to everyone who disagrees with you, or who does not seem to get what you are trying to say.
Repeatedly being sarcastic and insulting the intelligence and comprehensive skills of others does not prove your point, it only makes you sound like an angry teenager.

Sleepwalker

bg22 wrote: »

Sleepwalker wrote: »

Flawed logic is flawed.

But hey, so what level do dragon knights get their flying dragon mounts though? Dragon... Knight, right?

I guess they don't have abilities where they sprout dragon wings and breath fire either?

Ha, touche. Though that doesn't explain the "Knight" portion of the name. Bah, details though...

Anyway, my Nightblade is not a rogue. (I can't find a definition that fits here, but let's continue to assume that you're meaning the term "rogue" as the melee, high ST damage spec's that we've grown accustomed to.) Yours can be one, that's cool with me. It just means you've built it to be one, not that it was one as soon as you created it. Err... wait! Were you able to stealth and deal extraordinarily high ST damage right out of the Wailing Prison?? Oh, you must tell me what addon that is.

The names of my inherent skill trees don't define my role. I mean, I've also got an inherent skill tree with both a taunt and damage mitigation in it... I'm not a tank.

Funniest thing about this thread though: Initiating it by telling people to stop talking about something, and then completely engaging everyone that continues talking about it. You crazy forum dweller, you.

Selique

Does it matter what we call it? Seriously?

bg22

Sleepwalker wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Sleepwalker wrote: »

Flawed logic is flawed.

But hey, so what level do dragon knights get their flying dragon mounts though? Dragon... Knight, right?

I guess they don't have abilities where they sprout dragon wings and breath fire either?

Ha, touche. Though that doesn't explain the "Knight" portion of the name.

Anyway, my Nightblade is not a rogue. Yours can be though, that's cool with me. It just means you've built it to be one, not that it was one as soon as you created it.

The names of my inherent skill trees don't define my role. I mean, I've also got an inherent skill tree with both a taunt and damage mitigation in it... I'm not a tank.

Funniest thing about this thread though: Initiating it by telling people to stop talking about something, and then completely engaging everyone that continues talking about it. You crazy forum dweller, you.

(Yea, I'm dwelling here so long as I sit at this yard sale with my fiancé, lol)
But again, I never said that you can't play other ways. Again, I said the opposite of that. Again, I just said the class itself, (most of the class skills) are rogue based.

Not tellin' anyone how to play, I'm just saying that the primary use of the Nightblade CLASS SKILLS are geared towards being a rogue. Nothing more, nothing less.

joshisanonymous

From Morrowind:

Nightblades are spellcasters who use their magics to enhance mobility, concealment, and stealthy close combat. They have a sinister reputation, since many nightblades are thieves, enforcers, assassins, or covert agents.

uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Nightblade#Nightblade

Major skills include things like mysticism and illusion, minor skills include things like light armor, destruction magic and bow.

From Oblivion:

Spell and shadow are their friends. By darkness they move with haste, casting magic to benefit their circumstances.

uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Nightblade#Nightblade

Skills include things like alteration, light armor, destruction magic, and restoration magic.

It might also be worth pointing out that both games also have separate classes called Rogue and Assassin.

While Nightblades obviously have similarities to traditional rogues, I don't think the class is exactly what many players think they are. I'm guessing that the general vagueness and the mix of skills used by Nightblades in the Elder Scrolls games provide the rationale for Zenimax going with this title for the class instead of simply Rogue or Assassin.

Edit: I guess I might also add that I play mine as a pretty straight forward rogue, making little use of siphon abilities, and I have plenty of success.

WilliamTee

My main is a NB... and yeah, he's a full on 'Rogue'-esque character.

A pitch black khajiit with dual-wield/dual-wield and mostly medium armor. I wasn't feeling overly original that day... plus i love how he plays (when his skills choose to work).

However, I can tell you I'm very much looking forward to levelling up another Nightblade with the intent of being pure tank with heavy armor, sword and board, and an avoidance/siphoning focus.

That's really not too rogue-like at all.

Turkwise

You're basing your entire argument off labels and default previews, instead of actual game mechanics.

Not a recipe for a winning argument.

Sleepwalker

bg22 wrote: »

Again, I just said the class itself, (most of the class skills) are rogue based...
I'm just saying that the primary use of the Nightblade CLASS SKILLS are geared towards being a rogue. Nothing more, nothing less.

No, you didn't say that in the OP. Let's go back and look at the original post and its title... <reads> Nope, nothing about "rogue based" nor "geared towards" a certain role. Sure, I see the synergy between the concept of a "rogue" and the nightblade class. Makes sense. I also see the concept of a "siphoning-type tank" and a "siphoning-type" healer. And as it just so happens, those roles are viable. If you only see/saw "rogue", that's cool. But there's no need to make demands of the community on account of your closed mind. Cheers!

<reads more> Edited for flaming on the first page of your own thread. *snicker*

Arreyanne

Archaon wrote: »

Not like ZOS rewards anything besides magicka spellspam builds.

Dont rage, simply flow how they want you to. Wear a light, cap armor like a boss, win.

Game should be renamed Elder Magikca Online

bg22

Turkwise wrote: »

You're basing your entire argument off labels and default previews, instead of actual game mechanics.

Not a recipe for a winning argument.

Uh... What? I'm specifically talking about class skills as well.

Ser Lobo

Mine is not a rogue. He's a hunter, assassin, hitman for hire. Murder and mayhem. But not theft. I don't steal.

With that said, let's fight the argument: if you let these traditional mindsets bog you down, than some player who would otherwise enjoy the class building it how THEY want (i.e. Heavy armor siphon with two-hander and volcanic rune) is being told he's wrong.

He's not, of course. This game isn't built that way. If they wanted us to be rogues, they could have very easily called us rogues. Or thieves. Instead, they came up with a fairly ambiguous title for the class that *hints* at assassins and dark plots, but then gave us class skills that are so broad we can do everything from tank to heal, etc.

Don't get focused on trying to force others to think of nightblades as rogues. You may think that way, but not everyone does.

Lodestar

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mine is not a rogue. He's a hunter, assassin, hitman for hire. Murder and mayhem. But not theft. I don't steal

Yeah, damn right. Nice to see someone with morals.

Turkwise

bg22 wrote: »

Turkwise wrote: »

You're basing your entire argument off labels and default previews, instead of actual game mechanics.

Not a recipe for a winning argument.

Uh... What? I'm specifically talking about class skills as well.

Well, tanking and healing are usually done mainly with skills that every class has access to. (guild, weapon) Class abilities/passives support those roles. Nightblade has some abilities that support those roles very, very well. Such as tanking with Siphoning Strikes.

The question isn't "what are NB abilities geared toward?" but "what roles do NB abilities support?" Synergy between various abilities is an important part of any build, and NB abilities provide some rather interesting possibilities.

Grim13

bg22 wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

I'm not talking about what is broken or not, I'm just sick of ppl saying "stop thinking NB is supposed to be a rogue class".

-It is called "Nightblade".
-We have a "shadow" skill tree.
-We have an "assassination" skill tree.
-We are displayed in character creation as a medium armored, dual wielding type.

So stop. Just stop.

It is in fact primarily a rogue class. Yes, you CAN be a healer. Yes you CAN be a tank. But Those are not the PRIMARY roles of this class.

The night blade skill trees can be considered rouge type skills yes.

However people can play the game and put no points into their nightblade skill trees, and choose to wear heavy armor and and 1h shield and become a tank. It doesnt mean they are a nightblade tank. It means they are a tank that just happened to select the nightblade skill lines.

Are we talking about Nightblades general purpose or weapon/armor general purpose?

Nightblade. We're talking about the PRIMARY generalization of this classes skill equaling "rogue". Nothing more.

I never said that they can't play anything but rogues, in fact I stated the opposite.

I would love to see the SAT reading comprehension scores of this community.

(Roughly) 50% of the population have IQs below the average!