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ZOS wants casuals only?
Lowbei
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Lets be honest...
After a year plus of testing, you released the game with no ae caps, then changed your mind within a month from launch...
You made up some lie about caps intended and being in already despite testing proving this false. So, because you were getting flooded with calls from bads whose zerg just died to one small group, you decided to add ae caps like gw2, because you listened to the whining zergers who couldnt handle losing to better players.
We had a poll vote here with over 3500 votes, with 88% saying "NO CAPS", yet you completely ignored us. You even had to audacity to send Jess Folsom to misdirect us by saying that its a bug and that caps were intended all along.
We didnt ask you if it was a bug, nor are we buying that nonsense, as we asked numerous times during "ask us ANYTHING" sessions if there would be an ae cap, and the answer was clearly dodged. We stated clearly that we didnt want them, period, so your statement of "its a bug" is worthless and clearly misdirection.
We cringed and stuck around hoping for it to work out anyway... then you nerf aes again, this time talons range and impulse cost, two abilities mostly used in zerg bombing. Its clear that you dont want zerg bombing to occur, and give us no arena, thus resulting in only zerg v zerg fights.
So, two things... First, its obvious that you dont care what your customers think, or you wouldnt have ignored this clear landslide vote. Second, its obvious that those of us here in hopes of finding real competition, are wasting our time.
How unfortunate. If you continue to inhibit competition in your game, then we may as well be playing gw2 since its free and also a zergers game.
Edited by Lowbei on 22 May 2014 19:48 After a year plus of testing, you released the game with no ae caps, then changed your mind within a month from launch...
You made up some lie about caps intended and being in already despite testing proving this false. So, because you were getting flooded with calls from bads whose zerg just died to one small group, you decided to add ae caps like gw2, because you listened to the whining zergers who couldnt handle losing to better players.
We had a poll vote here with over 3500 votes, with 88% saying "NO CAPS", yet you completely ignored us. You even had to audacity to send Jess Folsom to misdirect us by saying that its a bug and that caps were intended all along.
We didnt ask you if it was a bug, nor are we buying that nonsense, as we asked numerous times during "ask us ANYTHING" sessions if there would be an ae cap, and the answer was clearly dodged. We stated clearly that we didnt want them, period, so your statement of "its a bug" is worthless and clearly misdirection.
We cringed and stuck around hoping for it to work out anyway... then you nerf aes again, this time talons range and impulse cost, two abilities mostly used in zerg bombing. Its clear that you dont want zerg bombing to occur, and give us no arena, thus resulting in only zerg v zerg fights.
So, two things... First, its obvious that you dont care what your customers think, or you wouldnt have ignored this clear landslide vote. Second, its obvious that those of us here in hopes of finding real competition, are wasting our time.
How unfortunate. If you continue to inhibit competition in your game, then we may as well be playing gw2 since its free and also a zergers game.
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Nijjion✭✭✭✭All my class AoEs had 6man caps from the start...
Just sayin.
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✭✭I'm fine with target caps on Talons, Impulse, Solar Barage, ect. Same as with Crystal Blast, Reflective Light, Meteor, or anything else thats target based or PBAoE.
Ground based AoEs however, like Standard, Nova, Lightning Splash, Wall of Elements, Cinder Storm, Negate, ect. should absolutely never have a target cap.
There's an easy counter to those. Move out of them. If you get locked in one, then you got out played. You lost.
Ground target AoEs should never have a cap.4 -
lao✭✭✭✭I'm fine with target caps on Talons, Impulse, Solar Barage, ect. Same as with Crystal Blast, Reflective Light, Meteor, or anything else thats target based or PBAoE.
Ground based AoEs however, like Standard, Nova, Lightning Splash, Wall of Elements, Cinder Storm, Negate, ect. should absolutely never have a target cap.
There's an easy counter to those. Move out of them. If you get locked in one, then you got out played. You lost.
Ground target AoEs should never have a cap.
no aoe should have a cap. they should instead nerf the dmg by ALOT and introduce some real hard CC so all those pretenders who think they are good can prove their worth. the results would be hilarious.1 -
Napkins✭I would like to point out that anet (GW2) stated multiple times that there was a aoe cap because the servers couldn't handle the cap being unlimited.
People saying it got changed because of whining are straight up lying.
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Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭indeed. its sad to see so much potential go to waste. its like aoc or tera all over again.0
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Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭I would like to point out that anet (GW2) stated multiple times that there was a aoe cap because the servers couldn't handle the cap being unlimited.
People saying it got changed because of whining are straight up lying.
either you are incredibly naive or this is your first mmo.
mmos have been handling no aoe caps in large scale pvp since daoc in 2001.
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Kiwi✭✭✭✭surely this is a troll thread
does he not know there were always caps, they just didnt tell anyone?A large yellow rectangle
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NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Even if that were true, it wouldn't explain why the cap is set to 6 (ridiculously low.)
Some abilities have much higher caps and some remain uncapped.
Something like Impulse could maybe be capped at 24 (you're not likely to hit that many at once anyway.)
Things like standard, negate, nova, consuming darkness, really do need to be unlimited though so they work as zerg busters.0 -
Nooblet✭✭✭✭Should 6 stand a chance against 12? Yes if they're coordinated and generally better players.
Should 6 players stand a chance against 25+? No imo
That said. I don't like the cap especially so low.Edited by Nooblet on 22 May 2014 21:171 -
Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭I thought you were tired of farming zergs cuz they're too easy?
the concept is that theres no competition from gvg because the game is being catered to zerg fights via ae nerfs. this isnt rocket science, try to keep up.surely this is a troll thread
does he not know there were always caps, they just didnt tell anyone?
like i said in the OP, they lied obviously, which really doesnt matter since we had a poll and voted against it.
the two conclusions in the OP remain fact.1 -
Syndy✭✭✭I thought you were tired of farming zergs cuz they're too easy?
the concept is that theres no competition from gvg because the game is being catered to zerg fights via ae nerfs. this isnt rocket science, try to keep up.surely this is a troll thread
does he not know there were always caps, they just didnt tell anyone?
like i said in the OP, they lied obviously, which really doesnt matter since we had a poll and voted against it.
the two conclusions in the OP remain fact.
Um, there was a cap in place before the game launched (beta)... So, no they did not lie.
I know for a fact that Healing Ritual had a cap on it in the first beta I participated in...
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Avidus✭✭✭There always was a cap, but it was not functioning correctly so they fixed this bug.
But you liked this Bug, so you wanted it remain unfixed because you enjoy exploiting bugs and calling it skill.1 -
Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭no, there was no cap, and its hilarious to hear zergers claim that it was a bug and exploiting, despite 88% of the population voting against it.
apparently you didnt read the conclusion in the OP, which has now been referenced twice lol so ill repost it.
So, two things... First, its obvious that you dont care what your customers think, or you wouldnt have ignored this clear landslide vote. Second, its obvious that those of us here in hopes of finding real competition, are wasting our time.
you should read it until you understand what the thread is about before posting lol1 -
lao✭✭✭✭Should 6 stand a chance against 12? Yes if they're coordinated and generally better players.
Should 6 players stand a chance against 25+? No imo
That said. I don't like the cap especially so low.
6 should stand a chance vs 1000 if they are that much better players. the problem in eso is that skill doesnt matter nearly enough. all u need is TS and a couple not entirely braindead ppl. they can have minor brain damage cos the game is so easy that its neglectable and that is the problem. it should be much much harder to farm zergs otherwise u get a bunch of mediocre players who suddenly feel like gods gift to gaming cos they can kill 4-5 times their own numbers without effort when in reality they are only slightly less braindead than the ppl they are killing.
leave aoes uncapped and nerf the damage and give us hard interupts and hard CC and 99% of those wannabe elite small mans will struggle and go back to zerging and only the truely good groups will prevail. theres so many pretenders in this game its hilarious.2 -
Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭Should 6 stand a chance against 12? Yes if they're coordinated and generally better players.
Should 6 players stand a chance against 25+? No imo
That said. I don't like the cap especially so low.
6 should stand a chance vs 1000 if they are that much better players. the problem in eso is that skill doesnt matter nearly enough. all u need is TS and a couple not entirely braindead ppl. they can have minor brain damage cos the game is so easy that its neglectable and that is the problem. it should be much much harder to farm zergs otherwise u get a bunch of mediocre players who suddenly feel like gods gift to gaming cos they can kill 4-5 times their own numbers without effort when in reality they are only slightly less braindead than the ppl they are killing.
leave aoes uncapped and nerf the damage and give us hard interupts and hard CC and 99% of those wannabe elite small mans will struggle and go back to zerging and only the truely good groups will prevail. theres so many pretenders in this game its hilarious.
^ lol this free rps random again.
adorable
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Avidus✭✭✭snip
Its funny hearing your cry because you are the only person playing, and you are a master of statistics and asked every individual player what they thought.
I am not even how you saw my post from up there on your high horse.
But let me point something out. Your conclusion.. Not a conclusion.
Second of all, they know what they are doing better than you.
Third of all, you assume that everybody who disagrees with you only zergs.
My conclusion? Its not the end of the world.0 -
Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭snip
Its funny hearing your cry because you are the only person playing, and you are a master of statistics and asked every individual player what they thought.
I am not even how you saw my post from up there on your high horse.
But let me point something out. Your conclusion.. Not a conclusion.
Second of all, they know what they are doing better than you.
Third of all, you assume that everybody who disagrees with you only zergs.
My conclusion? Its not the end of the world.
haha it doesnt take a statistician to read the results of a poll.
the conclusion was factual, as they ignored the poll (ignoring their customers) and are nerfing aes which promotes zerg v zerg instead of competition. again, this isnt rocket science. try to keep up.
feel free to argue either of those two points, but i bet you dont even try lolEdited by Lowbei on 22 May 2014 21:451 -
lao,
I do not really agree with that sentiment. The problem with heavily skill based games is that there will always be a large disparity between elite players and average players. Playing with elite players in a skill based game, if they are able to wipe the floor with more than several times their own numbers, is problematic because the game is about having fun. Nobody wants to get their ass kicked by Lebron James in pickup every day--it is not fun.
If it were arena PVP that would be fine because lower skill players could play with each other, but this game does not separate players in that way. As a result, elite players should not--even if they are that much better--destroy everyone else. Getting annihilated by an extremely dedicated and skilled team is great...once or twice. People at large probably do not want to replicate that experience consistently, so this game is not the place for more skill based results. There are games that cater to that crowd, but I do not think this is one of them. Skill should net you something obviously, but not on the order that you appear to be referring.0 -
Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭answer this.
knowing that there was ae caps intended (they said it was a bug) why did brian wheeler dodge the "will there be ae caps?" question in the "ask us anything"?
if you say "he forgot the question" then prepare for laughter, jussayin.0 -
lao✭✭✭✭Should 6 stand a chance against 12? Yes if they're coordinated and generally better players.
Should 6 players stand a chance against 25+? No imo
That said. I don't like the cap especially so low.
6 should stand a chance vs 1000 if they are that much better players. the problem in eso is that skill doesnt matter nearly enough. all u need is TS and a couple not entirely braindead ppl. they can have minor brain damage cos the game is so easy that its neglectable and that is the problem. it should be much much harder to farm zergs otherwise u get a bunch of mediocre players who suddenly feel like gods gift to gaming cos they can kill 4-5 times their own numbers without effort when in reality they are only slightly less braindead than the ppl they are killing.
leave aoes uncapped and nerf the damage and give us hard interupts and hard CC and 99% of those wannabe elite small mans will struggle and go back to zerging and only the truely good groups will prevail. theres so many pretenders in this game its hilarious.
^ lol this free rps random again.
adorable
thats the kind of pretender i was talking about. so many of those rp cows in this game that need to be put in place.0 -
JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO✭✭✭✭answer this.
knowing that there was ae caps intended (they said it was a bug) why did brian wheeler dodge the "will there be ae caps?" question in the "ask us anything"?
if you say "he forgot the question" then prepare for laughter, jussayin.
Honestly though what makes ESO any different from GW2 now with AoE caps in place other then we have an open class system and a subscription fee??
Idk I really enjoy ESO but I'm done with the PvP I'm playing it for PvE now and whenever I want to PvP I just go play dota 2 or starcraft 2.0 -
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✭It`s so funny, OP´s buddy Xsorus was making himself look like a fool in several GW2 threads with his attitude of "I`m so pro, I know everything, hua!"
He even claimed (and still claims I guess whenever he smells the opportunity to) to have created a ranger build that half of EU`s tpvp rangers were running way before him (except the asuran utility variation cuz not possible in tpvp).
It seems you really found each other, your attitude is so...similar, OP. How can mediocre players be so full of themselves? Do you high five each other every day to keep motivation up, whats ur secret?
What exactly did you guys achieve in GW2 again? Like teamQ leaderboards or such?
Please keep on entertaning me! Pretenders...
By the way, I`m agreeing on no cap on PBae.Koma Grey, Chocolate Thunder, Little Mojo, Dagoth Mojo & Mojomancy0
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