Vote kick feature is being seriously abused...

Paneross · November 2016

negbert wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

Please don't use the grouping tool then. That is not what it is for.

I use the grouping to try and get matched up with other 561s

Paneross · November 2016

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

I am 254 CP on this account. I ran 88k dps on trash as magicka sorc, 27-28k dps avg on bosses in vets.

There is ZERO reason I should be kicked and stuck in a 15 minute penalty box.

I guaranteed I know more what I am doing than you do.

This vote to kick is in its current state is ridiculous. I wait 40 minutes sometimes for a random vet.

I guarantee you don't.

O_LYKOS · November 2016

I'd never done dungeons until recently. I hit 160cp and crafted/bought a solid build for the time being to run dungeons and get used to the mechanics and more important, my build.

CP points are apart of your build and a lot of players see low CP and think they wont be good enough. Personally I feel vet dungeons should be 160cp+. Although I was kicked yday for only being 218cp healer and then couldn't queue again for 14 minutes I got back in and done several vet dungeons perfectly fine. You just need to find easy going people who give you a chance.

Graynh · November 2016

Paneross wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

I am 254 CP on this account. I ran 88k dps on trash as magicka sorc, 27-28k dps avg on bosses in vets.

There is ZERO reason I should be kicked and stuck in a 15 minute penalty box.

I guaranteed I know more what I am doing than you do.

This vote to kick is in its current state is ridiculous. I wait 40 minutes sometimes for a random vet.

I guarantee you don't.

Im 339 mag DK. Those numbers are easy for me to get on trash and on bosses if theres a healer with spellpower cure and a tank that uses warhorn I guarantee you I'll do 26-29k dps on a single target boss fight. I believe him.

Ajaxduo · November 2016

Paneross wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

I am 254 CP on this account. I ran 88k dps on trash as magicka sorc, 27-28k dps avg on bosses in vets.

There is ZERO reason I should be kicked and stuck in a 15 minute penalty box.

I guaranteed I know more what I am doing than you do.

This vote to kick is in its current state is ridiculous. I wait 40 minutes sometimes for a random vet.

I guarantee you don't.

Sounds very doable tbh considering at cp cap you can push around 40k st.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · November 2016

Step 1 open thread
Step 2 skim thread for people saying "grouping is not for x reason"
Step 3 Laugh

Grouping is for what ever reason the person grouped. If you are low level you have grouped for x reason, if you grouped to do the content very fast and not carry someone you are also grouped for a valid reason. So quit crying like your reason is the real reason people should group.

In the end you should be able to choose a cp you want to group with. If you are fine with risking it with low cp players and taking 2 hours / never make it to do a 10 minute dungeon than fine but if you are someone who wants to take 10 mins for a 10 mins run you should be able to pick someone with 500+ for example.

inb4, "YOU DONT KNOW ME YOU DONT KNOW ME YOU DONT KNOW ME I AM 100 CP AND A GOOD PLAYER YOU DONT KNOW ME YOU ELITEST SCUM".

Well that may be the case and someone with 1000 CP might be worse than you and thats true but going by odds and percentages its more likely the more CP you have the better you are and its not full proof but when I want to take 10 minutes to do a run and dont have friends or guildies who want to come and I have to use the cancer of group finder I would rather not lower my chances of getting it done fast.

TLDR

Oh you didnt get accepted into a group, QQ. Its a issue with ZOS implementing a stupid system without enough options and NOT anyone elses problem because they are just wanting to lower the chance of dealing/player/wasting time doing a dungeon for hours that is a simple 10 minute run.

Life is not fair, the game is not either, want it more fair? bug ZOS and quit talking about elitism.

UrQuan · November 2016

Paneross wrote: »

negbert wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

Please don't use the grouping tool then. That is not what it is for.

I use the grouping to try and get matched up with other 561s

Please don't use the grouping tool then. That is not what it is for.

Beardimus · November 2016

The delay after being kicked, before you even traveled to the dungeon sucks, plain and simple.

I've got two healers I'm leveling and sorc gets kicked immediately, Templar people mind less but often gets kicked (L35ish)

Anyway man the answer is to guild up. Xbox EU I can suggest a few. It really helps rather than trust randoms.

Tizerak · November 2016

SnubbS wrote: »

TheSeer wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Sounds like you need a safe space.

If you're not competent enough to complete the content without being carried through it -- you shouldn't get the completion. I've never actually done the vote to kick option though, a bit too nerdy for me. Same goes for reporting others -- just a bit too nerdy for me.

I'm guessing you didn't read anything, did you?

Alright well, let's reread and see.

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Nope, didn't miss anything. The OP is exhibiting entitlement, the OP is wishing for repercussions to those who using the game-mechanics, the OP is basically trying to enforce communism here.

In case your reading comprehension is a bit lacking -- I'll break it down for you.

"Sounds like you need a safe space" is in reference to his inability to calmly process others negative actions towards himself. He's irrationally upset and lashing out at others, so perhaps he needs a safe space?

"If you're not competent enough to complete content -- you shouldn't get the completion" This is in reference to people kicking low levels out of dungeons. If you're dead weight and bring nearly nothing to the group, do you really deserve the completion? I don't think so. I'm also not calling OP dead weight -- I'm referring to the majority of people with under 200 cp who aren't even wearing item sets yet. I'm doing this to put forth an argument as to why the "Mean people" would kick him.

"I've never done the 'Vote to kick' and/or 'Report Player' options" Seems self-explanatory to me. The root cause of this threads creation was the use of the 'Vote to kick' options. I simply made my stance on that clear. Once into the post, the topic of reporting players came up -- and I laid my stance down on that as well.

At this point I'm wondering if you read the posts.

I'm "exhibiting entitlement" for bringing up an issue with the party finder system on the forums that not just I but other players have experienced as well, what? Yes, there should be repercussions for abusing game features; that is not a new issue brought about by ESO other multiplayer games face it as well. I would call myself a competent player, I am by no means an expert, I did research trends in the tanking meta and crafted the highest level set pieces available to me. As I explained before I have tanked a couple HM Vet bosses, that is not just something you can get carried through if you don't know when to block, "get out of fire", avoid one-shots, etc. "Sounds like you need a safe space" baseless insult and trolling, moving along.

SolidusPrime · November 2016

Dont use group finder if you suck so bad that you can't complete a dungeon without an all-high CP level'd party to carry you. It doesn't take that to complete a dungeon, or even complete one in a good amount of time.

Talk about "safe spaces"...I don't think I've ever seen more entitlement or whining out of a particular group.

Lightninvash · November 2016

pro tip get more CP and you wont get kicked as often

the feature is working as intended to kick a player who the party doesn't feel are at par with the rest. though I feel as if they should have an addition to the group finder that you can set the range of CP you want to be grouped with but that's just me.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · November 2016

negbert wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

Please don't use the grouping tool then. That is not what it is for.

Wrong, its for what ever reason someone chooses to use it for.

AriokoSan wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

"we shouldn't have to baby sit lower CP levels". Who do you think you are?

"It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon" how do they know you are doing a quick dungeon!! They just used group finder like everyone else

[Edit to remove flaming]

how do YOU know they are wanting to do a quick dungeon and you being slower makes it harder THUS they dont want to risk it. yawn.

Jamini wrote: »

There is lots of elitism and lots of impatience when it comes to pledges. Frankly, If you are going in through group-finder, you shouldn't expect a quick run or a good group.

Max CP only makes a player 5-10% stronger on average. (All players have the stats, at minimum, of a CP160 now.) While it can be a noticeable power spike for players at average-high skill level, it simply can't make up for a weak build or poor execution. Max CP is only really equivalent to being an appropriate race w/ racial passives for your role, and for anything short of HM Vet dungeons ( the harder ones) and trials... you really don't need it.

As long as you have key skills and a rotation you can work your way through most content as any role.

yawn its not about the cp.. obviously... its about the fact lower cp normally means less skill as less time spent in game thus slower runs thus more of a pain and more CHANCE of a pain.

Group finder is as much about a quick run as what EVER other reason you deem it was invented for. So shh..

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

High cp means very little for the vast majority of dungeons. Yesterday I used group finder to do the darkshade 1 pledge and was paired with a "dps" that was using luminous shards and Jesus beam as their main dps skills while also spamming healing springs. He claimed to have qued accidentally as a dps but when I offered to switch from healing to dps they just told me to do both. This kind of worked till the last boss when they refused to res anyone and when they were the last one alive they ran away. This person was cp680 and I have no clue how he got to that point. We ended up kicking him and getting a cp180ish actual dps and finished the dungeon with no problem. And the rest of my group were under Cp160.
Tldr: there are high cp people that suck at the game.

Its about lowering the chances of bad plays. Put 100x CP50s up agaist 100x CP600s in the exact same situations and far more 600s will pass the bar on avg, its about lowering the chances..

If the lower CPS would just realize its nothing personal and go complain to ZOS about the grouping tool not having a CP selection option instead of "ELITEST RUIN THE GAME" it might get better..

UrQuan wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

negbert wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

Please don't use the grouping tool then. That is not what it is for.

I use the grouping to try and get matched up with other 561s

Please don't use the grouping tool then. That is not what it is for.

The tool is for WHATEVER the person using it wants it for.

SolidusPrime wrote: »

Dont use group finder if you suck so bad that you can't complete a dungeon without an all-high CP level'd party to carry you. It doesn't take that to complete a dungeon, or even complete one in a good amount of time.

Talk about "safe spaces"...I don't think I've ever seen more entitlement or whining out of a particular group.

I somewhat agree but also feel the pain for people who are kicked when they have the skill to do the dungeon, however its not personal just a time saver due to zos not having a feature to pick the CP you want to group with...

Paneross · November 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

negbert wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

Please don't use the grouping tool then. That is not what it is for.

I use the grouping to try and get matched up with other 561s

Please don't use the grouping tool then. That is not what it is for.

That's what many people use it for. Hence they vote to kick the low CP person until they get all 561s.

Paneross · November 2016

SolidusPrime wrote: »

Dont use group finder if you suck so bad that you can't complete a dungeon without an all-high CP level'd party to carry you. It doesn't take that to complete a dungeon, or even complete one in a good amount of time.

Talk about "safe spaces"...I don't think I've ever seen more entitlement or whining out of a particular group.

Bernie lovers

UrQuan · November 2016

Paneross wrote: »

SolidusPrime wrote: »

Dont use group finder if you suck so bad that you can't complete a dungeon without an all-high CP level'd party to carry you. It doesn't take that to complete a dungeon, or even complete one in a good amount of time.

Talk about "safe spaces"...I don't think I've ever seen more entitlement or whining out of a particular group.

Bernie lovers

You know his post was directed at you right? That you're the one who seems to need a safe space and people to carry you?

Danksta · November 2016

Lucious90 wrote: »

Its unfortunate, I am guilty of this, CP has too much of an emphasis in this game. Its unfortunately a gauge to skill, which it shouldn't but it does matter for HM and such. There is also the matter of low CP = Scrub, which isnt always the case but is still a problem. But they do the lower CPs an injustice by grouping them with the high CP players/Elitists. LFG needs to group based on what your level or CP is, If you're CP 100 you are group with CP 80-110, and scaled accordingly if you're 531 you're grouped with 511-541. It wont separate the good from the bad but would help the lower CPs get groups without being kicked

What about players like me who don't mind running with low CP players? Sometimes I even prefer it. It can make dungeons a little more challenging, but I see that as a good thing. Most dungeons are a snore fest with 4 good (not even great, just good)players.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · November 2016

Paneross wrote: »

SolidusPrime wrote: »

Dont use group finder if you suck so bad that you can't complete a dungeon without an all-high CP level'd party to carry you. It doesn't take that to complete a dungeon, or even complete one in a good amount of time.

Talk about "safe spaces"...I don't think I've ever seen more entitlement or whining out of a particular group.

Bernie lovers

American education system, gg.

SnubbS · November 2016

Tizerak wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

TheSeer wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Sounds like you need a safe space.

If you're not competent enough to complete the content without being carried through it -- you shouldn't get the completion. I've never actually done the vote to kick option though, a bit too nerdy for me. Same goes for reporting others -- just a bit too nerdy for me.

I'm guessing you didn't read anything, did you?

Alright well, let's reread and see.

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Nope, didn't miss anything. The OP is exhibiting entitlement, the OP is wishing for repercussions to those who using the game-mechanics, the OP is basically trying to enforce communism here.

In case your reading comprehension is a bit lacking -- I'll break it down for you.

"Sounds like you need a safe space" is in reference to his inability to calmly process others negative actions towards himself. He's irrationally upset and lashing out at others, so perhaps he needs a safe space?

"If you're not competent enough to complete content -- you shouldn't get the completion" This is in reference to people kicking low levels out of dungeons. If you're dead weight and bring nearly nothing to the group, do you really deserve the completion? I don't think so. I'm also not calling OP dead weight -- I'm referring to the majority of people with under 200 cp who aren't even wearing item sets yet. I'm doing this to put forth an argument as to why the "Mean people" would kick him.

"I've never done the 'Vote to kick' and/or 'Report Player' options" Seems self-explanatory to me. The root cause of this threads creation was the use of the 'Vote to kick' options. I simply made my stance on that clear. Once into the post, the topic of reporting players came up -- and I laid my stance down on that as well.

At this point I'm wondering if you read the posts.

I'm "exhibiting entitlement" for bringing up an issue with the party finder system on the forums that not just I but other players have experienced as well, what? Yes, there should be repercussions for abusing game features; that is not a new issue brought about by ESO other multiplayer games face it as well. I would call myself a competent player, I am by no means an expert, I did research trends in the tanking meta and crafted the highest level set pieces available to me. As I explained before I have tanked a couple HM Vet bosses, that is not just something you can get carried through if you don't know when to block, "get out of fire", avoid one-shots, etc. "Sounds like you need a safe space" baseless insult and trolling, moving along.

I appreciate the attempt -- I truly do.

You're exhibiting entitlement by asserting that people should be forced to keep you in the group. "I grouped for this dungeon, I'm entitled to play it." There's a reason for the 'Vote-to-kick' option, and incompetent players and/or trolls are likely that.

They are not abusing in-game features, they're kicking you. This is a ridiculous assertion on your part, you should be ashamed to make it.

"I would call myself a competent player, I am by no means an expert, I did research trends in the tanking meta and crafted the highest level set pieces available to me. As I explained before I have tanked a couple HM Vet bosses, that is not just something you can get carried through if you don't know when to block, "get out of fire", avoid one-shots, etc."

I do not care how good you are or how good you think you are. I didn't say you were incompetent, you assumed that -- likely because being kicked so often has left your ego fragile. Naturally assuming the worst in this scenario is a sign of an inferiority complex. As is abusing the report system.

""Sounds like you need a safe space" baseless insult and trolling, moving along."

I'm genuinely insulted by your inability to process that insult and thus deem it 'Baseless'. You're asking for the world to conform to you, you're asking for penalties towards people who act negatively towards you. You're either greatly misinformed on what a 'Safe space' is -- or you're trying to pretend it doesn't apply to you. Either way, I find your disconnect with reality to be quite disconcerting.

disintegr8 · November 2016

@SnubbS - you have provided nothing of any benefit or help in this thread and should probably not have commented in the first place. You have implied with your first comment that they were having simply having a whinge and are incompetent, deserving to be kicked.

The grouping tool is simply inadequate to meet the needs of high level players who only want fast runs through dungeons for loot and/or undaunted pledges. While a cp50 player can get grouped with higher cp players in any vet dungeon, it is not acceptable for them to be kicked before they even start the dungeon based on their cp level.

If they have chosen 'random' for the bonus XP and the tool puts them in a more difficult dungeon that the rest of the group think they are too low for, it is not their fault. They have as much right to go for the bonus XP as anyone else is. If higher level players do not want to risk getting a lower level player placed in the group, they should not use group finder.

While there are plenty of capped cp players who will happily run with whoever gets grouped with them, or choose to leave themselves rather than kick others, there are a growing number of what some might call 'entitled' or 'elitist' high level players who think they have a greater right to use the grouping tool than lower level players.

If ZOS simply got rid of the stupid 15 minute penalty, which is applied whether you choose to quit a run or get kicked, these threads would be few and far between.

I think lower level players were responsible for bringing the penalty in as higher level players kept leaving groups, without any penalty, rather than run with them, making it hard for them to get dungeons done. Now it has come full circle and is hurting them as much as, if not more, than anyone else.

Tizerak · November 2016

Autolycus wrote: »

I don't know if I agree that this is really being abused. I have a history of running with pugs "just for fun" and I've only seen a vote to kick once since it was introduced. That vote to kick was initiated by yours truly, and solely because the healer queued as a healer and didn't even have a resto staff. He queued as a healer just to get in quickly and changed his role to dps immediately upon entering (we saw it change). But this is a legitimate reason to vote someone out, because not doing the role you signed up for is irresponsible and frankly disrespectful to the group.

I know that low CP players tend to get unfairly treated because of the stigma that you "must be at X CP to accomplish anything blah blah blah." That's nonsense and we all know it. I've seen a level 27 kick a 561's ass in a duel (thanks battle-leveling) and I've seen a 200 beat vMA on their first try. Player skill > CP.

What's the solution, OP? The vote-to-kick system is a logical and necessary mechanic, and things were considerably less enjoyable for most via Group Finder before it existed. You might be getting treated unjustly at times, but it is within your power to change that. My best suggestion is to get your CP to 160 via Overland content (dungeons, delves, world bosses, and anchors) or to do several rounds of normal Maelstrom (which is good experience, both in terms of CP and learning mechanics). If it's any consolation, there are a great deal of players at the CP cap that share my opinion here, and would give you a fair chance. It's too bad you've had a rough run of late, but giving up won't get you the respect you deserve (or the CP).

Oh I'm not quitting over some bad apples don't worry

Like I said in my OP I do tend to mostly get nice players of the whole CP range and when I ask a question before a boss like what to look out for or oh I remember this guy he does "X", they're usually nice enough to give a less then a minute rundown.

I did just get Orsinium since it's on sale, do you have to complete a questline before doing Maelstrom or can you just jump right into it? It looked interesting I read it was a solo arena of sorts.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · November 2016

SnubbS wrote: »

Tizerak wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

TheSeer wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Sounds like you need a safe space.

If you're not competent enough to complete the content without being carried through it -- you shouldn't get the completion. I've never actually done the vote to kick option though, a bit too nerdy for me. Same goes for reporting others -- just a bit too nerdy for me.

I'm guessing you didn't read anything, did you?

Alright well, let's reread and see.

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Nope, didn't miss anything. The OP is exhibiting entitlement, the OP is wishing for repercussions to those who using the game-mechanics, the OP is basically trying to enforce communism here.

In case your reading comprehension is a bit lacking -- I'll break it down for you.

"Sounds like you need a safe space" is in reference to his inability to calmly process others negative actions towards himself. He's irrationally upset and lashing out at others, so perhaps he needs a safe space?

"If you're not competent enough to complete content -- you shouldn't get the completion" This is in reference to people kicking low levels out of dungeons. If you're dead weight and bring nearly nothing to the group, do you really deserve the completion? I don't think so. I'm also not calling OP dead weight -- I'm referring to the majority of people with under 200 cp who aren't even wearing item sets yet. I'm doing this to put forth an argument as to why the "Mean people" would kick him.

"I've never done the 'Vote to kick' and/or 'Report Player' options" Seems self-explanatory to me. The root cause of this threads creation was the use of the 'Vote to kick' options. I simply made my stance on that clear. Once into the post, the topic of reporting players came up -- and I laid my stance down on that as well.

At this point I'm wondering if you read the posts.

I'm "exhibiting entitlement" for bringing up an issue with the party finder system on the forums that not just I but other players have experienced as well, what? Yes, there should be repercussions for abusing game features; that is not a new issue brought about by ESO other multiplayer games face it as well. I would call myself a competent player, I am by no means an expert, I did research trends in the tanking meta and crafted the highest level set pieces available to me. As I explained before I have tanked a couple HM Vet bosses, that is not just something you can get carried through if you don't know when to block, "get out of fire", avoid one-shots, etc. "Sounds like you need a safe space" baseless insult and trolling, moving along.

I appreciate the attempt -- I truly do.

You're exhibiting entitlement by asserting that people should be forced to keep you in the group. "I grouped for this dungeon, I'm entitled to play it." There's a reason for the 'Vote-to-kick' option, and incompetent players and/or trolls are likely that.

They are not abusing in-game features, they're kicking you. This is a ridiculous assertion on your part, you should be ashamed to make it.

"I would call myself a competent player, I am by no means an expert, I did research trends in the tanking meta and crafted the highest level set pieces available to me. As I explained before I have tanked a couple HM Vet bosses, that is not just something you can get carried through if you don't know when to block, "get out of fire", avoid one-shots, etc."

I do not care how good you are or how good you think you are. I didn't say you were incompetent, you assumed that -- likely because being kicked so often has left your ego fragile. Naturally assuming the worst in this scenario is a sign of an inferiority complex. As is abusing the report system.

""Sounds like you need a safe space" baseless insult and trolling, moving along."

I'm genuinely insulted by your inability to process that insult and thus deem it 'Baseless'. You're asking for the world to conform to you, you're asking for penalties towards people who act negatively towards you. You're either greatly misinformed on what a 'Safe space' is -- or you're trying to pretend it doesn't apply to you. Either way, I find your disconnect with reality to be quite disconcerting.

Epic.

Malamar1229 · November 2016

Ajaxduo wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

I am 254 CP on this account. I ran 88k dps on trash as magicka sorc, 27-28k dps avg on bosses in vets.

There is ZERO reason I should be kicked and stuck in a 15 minute penalty box.

I guaranteed I know more what I am doing than you do.

This vote to kick is in its current state is ridiculous. I wait 40 minutes sometimes for a random vet.

I guarantee you don't.

Sounds very doable tbh considering at cp cap you can push around 40k st.

im running julianos and spinners, DW and lightning destro with that set up. This is my 2nd account so I am not entirely geared yet.
Lightning pool, WOE, ligtning heavy attack and pulling 80k+ on trash is easy.

But the point of this thread is harassment and misuse of the V2K tool. I am far from reaching my classes dps potential, but for a married man, 2 kids, and working 8-5....i dont have time to play all day. Sitting 40mins in a queue is bad enough, but there isnt any reason I should be kicked based on CP. Bringing back group dps parses might be the way to go

STEVIL · November 2016

Tizerak wrote: »

I'm a returning player and I've been running / tanking quite a bit of Vet dungeons lately (always using party finder because I don't know anyone in-game) i.e. daily pledges, random vet daily for undaunted supplies. I have about ~130 CP's since I haven't played since CP's were first introduced a year and a half-ish ago; I crafted myself a set of 5/5 Hist Bark and 4/5 Shalidor's Curse.

Anyways, more often lately I will join a group and sometimes it feels like IMMEDIATELY I get kicked before I can even enter the dungeon. It's been happening often enough that I screenshot the names of the group members so I can inquire why, I had someone tell me yesterday "i don't want to #$&* around with low CP players" honestly I reported him for harassment because the reason was BS and it locks me out of party finder for 15 minutes.

I would do /zone but now I'm worried I'll never get picked up because of my "low CP" even though I've been tanking Vet bosses just fine and have tanked a few of the HM Vet bosses (I think that's what they're called now, the one where people read that scroll before the fight). But these people just judge me based on CP without seeing me in action. I also run with really nice "high CP" people (luckily more often than the rude people) who are real friendly.

I just think there needs to be some kind of punishment for people that knee-jerk instant kick people like that because of the amount of CP they have. Maybe I'm part of some crazy minority here but last I checked ESO characters aren't just "born" with 500 CP when an account is made. I guess I'm just supposed to stay out of anything content related until I have 1000 CP's as to not ruffle the feathers of these big-shot players.

Sorry for the rant, and to the nice players with or without high CP that have dungeon crawled with me, thank you.

So, just to be clear you dont think people should be able to choose who they play with?

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · November 2016

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Ajaxduo wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

I am 254 CP on this account. I ran 88k dps on trash as magicka sorc, 27-28k dps avg on bosses in vets.

There is ZERO reason I should be kicked and stuck in a 15 minute penalty box.

I guaranteed I know more what I am doing than you do.

This vote to kick is in its current state is ridiculous. I wait 40 minutes sometimes for a random vet.

I guarantee you don't.

Sounds very doable tbh considering at cp cap you can push around 40k st.

im running julianos and spinners, DW and lightning destro with that set up. This is my 2nd account so I am not entirely geared yet.
Lightning pool, WOE, ligtning heavy attack and pulling 80k+ on trash is easy.

But the point of this thread is harassment and misuse of the V2K tool. I am far from reaching my classes dps potential, but for a married man, 2 kids, and working 8-5....i dont have time to play all day. Sitting 40mins in a queue is bad enough, but there isnt any reason I should be kicked based on CP. Bringing back group dps parses might be the way to go

It is a reason. Sometimes not fair but it is a valid reason to avoid slow runs.. *edit* the potential of a slow painful run.

Nothing personal just less of a gamble.

Malamar1229 · November 2016

@SnubbS I think if you read INTO the OPs issue, you will find it has more to do with the fact he has to be penalized 15 minutes for getting kicked. Yes people can boot you for the color of their hair if they want, but the whole "go sit in the penalty box" thing is dumb. Yes we hate it when a tank joins random, sees that its wgt so drops group and yes that should eat the penalty
..but players kicked with v2k shouldnt be subjected to the timer penalty.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · November 2016

STEVIL wrote: »

Tizerak wrote: »

I'm a returning player and I've been running / tanking quite a bit of Vet dungeons lately (always using party finder because I don't know anyone in-game) i.e. daily pledges, random vet daily for undaunted supplies. I have about ~130 CP's since I haven't played since CP's were first introduced a year and a half-ish ago; I crafted myself a set of 5/5 Hist Bark and 4/5 Shalidor's Curse.

Anyways, more often lately I will join a group and sometimes it feels like IMMEDIATELY I get kicked before I can even enter the dungeon. It's been happening often enough that I screenshot the names of the group members so I can inquire why, I had someone tell me yesterday "i don't want to #$&* around with low CP players" honestly I reported him for harassment because the reason was BS and it locks me out of party finder for 15 minutes.

I would do /zone but now I'm worried I'll never get picked up because of my "low CP" even though I've been tanking Vet bosses just fine and have tanked a few of the HM Vet bosses (I think that's what they're called now, the one where people read that scroll before the fight). But these people just judge me based on CP without seeing me in action. I also run with really nice "high CP" people (luckily more often than the rude people) who are real friendly.

I just think there needs to be some kind of punishment for people that knee-jerk instant kick people like that because of the amount of CP they have. Maybe I'm part of some crazy minority here but last I checked ESO characters aren't just "born" with 500 CP when an account is made. I guess I'm just supposed to stay out of anything content related until I have 1000 CP's as to not ruffle the feathers of these big-shot players.

Sorry for the rant, and to the nice players with or without high CP that have dungeon crawled with me, thank you.

So, just to be clear you dont think people should be able to choose who they play with?

No I think he means he should be able to pick who plays with him. Wait no? yea? no.. Something about everyone uses group finder wrong and its about having to do dungeons 10x slower or risk it being 10x slower? wait no that was not it either I think, tbh I dont know..

spoiler I do know..

SnubbS · November 2016

SolidusPrime wrote: »

Dont use group finder if you suck so bad that you can't complete a dungeon without an all-high CP level'd party to carry you. It doesn't take that to complete a dungeon, or even complete one in a good amount of time.

Talk about "safe spaces"...I don't think I've ever seen more entitlement or whining out of a particular group.

Let's get this clear. I'm the one who's making fun of 'Safe spaces' -- I'm also the person who's said that I do not kick people.

Also, just for fun -- let's say you're the best tank in the game. Literally, the best tank in ESO -- the Khajiti from the EU who made the 2 hour tank video, let's say you're as good as him. You're trying to complete Vet Darkshade final boss, but your healer can't find the BoL key, and your DPS/Healer die.

So, that would be a situation where it's the Tank's fault?

Maybe you're doing Vet Wayrest, and your DPS/Healer can't hit the alters. No particular reason -- they just can't. So that's tanks fault?

These are obviously extreme examples -- as both of these fights are boringly easy and can be easily Solo'd (Darkshade) and Two-manned (Wayrest). It's just a thought experiment to give you an idea of how one person -- regardless of how good they are cannot always carry a group through any content.

While leveling a Tank & Healer, there are some situations where it's abundantly clear that you aren't going to complete it regardless of how well you play. vCoA is actually a great test of this, because it's a pure DPS race. It's very easy to kill the final boss on the second platform if you're with a good group -- it's also next to impossible to complete if you have a wrecking blow spamming hybrid templar as your DD.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · November 2016

Malamar1229 wrote: »

@SnubbS I think if you read INTO the OPs issue, you will find it has more to do with the fact he has to be penalized 15 minutes for getting kicked. Yes people can boot you for the color of their hair if they want, but the whole "go sit in the penalty box" thing is dumb. Yes we hate it when a tank joins random, sees that its wgt so drops group and yes that should eat the penalty
..but players kicked with v2k shouldnt be subjected to the timer penalty.

Thats a implementation of the group finder not having the option to set the CP you wish to be grouped with and NOT the players who do the kicking at fault.

People tend to come here heated because special sun flowers act entitled to a carry or potential carry and scream elitest when they are kicked.

Reverb · November 2016

There has been a huge influx of mid-range (100-250) CP players who have really, really, terribly bad builds and rotations. These players are queuing for vet dungeons and pledges. I blame the holiday event for letting people crank through levels and cp without having to learn their class or builds.

I used to be very tolerant of low cp players, and helped train more pugs than I can count on dungeon mechanics. I run pledges with guilds, but always enjoyed pugging when time allowed. Now, I've spent weeks getting terrible dps after terrible dps in my pugs. I routinely do 40-50% of the damage in these groups, on my tank. I've honestly been in groups that took over 5 min to clear the first pack of trash.

Because of the huge number of these "bads", I am no longer tolerant. I will always vote to kick <300 cp dps roles in vet content. You may think I'm an ass for it, and I'm ok with that.

JimT722 · November 2016

Sometimes the dungeon finder makes me sad. I can't count how many times I joined only to have the group leader start ejecting low cp players for normal dungeons. I'm sure most would have done fine. How does one combat this though? Maybe if kicked before the dungeon has been entered less than 5 minutes, no penalty.