CP Cap and Xp Scaling

Ishammael · October 2015

According to @Ezareth it takes 513544 XP for the 442nd CP

It takes 390k Xp to get the 331st CP.

I don't have the formula because i need more data points -- please provide your CP level.

Players that have in the range of 330 to 500 CP right now will require more than 400k XP per CP to get to 501. Players that have large amounts of CPs have gained a tremendous XP --> CP efficiency advantage, even if they can't utilize the CPs immediately.

Each player's CP needs to be re-calculated according to the new scaling formula (total XP), otherwise this is a fall-behind mechanism.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler

ADDITIONS:

Here is the current data:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SXo8O6ro7AaIilYg11rZzH4DP7kQaYE6Qy5vB9XlO5g/edit?usp=sharing

I am guessing there is an inflection point at 501 CPs. If I segregate data points below and perform a linear fit I get:

y = 1088 x + 31630

where y is the total experience required to get x champion point.

To calculate the total amount of XP required for 501 now, integrate:

y_tot = 644 x^2 + 31630 x

and evaluate from 1 to 501:

y_tot = 177459000

which compares to 501 CPs at 400k/ea: 200000000

Thus it takes less total XP to get to 501 by about 11.27%

The problem is the following -- if you are currently sitting at 338 CPs, your next one costs more than 400k. Thus you are burned by this scaling, requiring more effort to get to 501 because your total XP (338 * 400k = 135200000) should put you at <solve quadratic eqn> 434 CPs!!

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler Y'all need to re-calculate everyone's CP based on total experience. Otherwise players in the mid-300s are gonna get burned by this switch!

DisgracefulMind · October 2015

At rank 543 I need 1,870,740 xp to 544, if that helps any.

Trayyacakes · October 2015

.... why does this not surprise me?

Synozeer · October 2015

Why is scaling XP over 400k even necessary when there is a cap and a catch-up mechanism in place?

Ishammael · October 2015

I need two more data points

Ishammael · October 2015

Anyone?

Rosveen · October 2015

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

At rank 543 I need 1,870,740 xp to 544, if that helps any.

Oh dear Talos. What have we done?!

rokrdt05 · October 2015

To earn my 698th champ point, I'll need... 2,377,344 XP.

danno8 · October 2015

I went from 347 to 348 today.

Unfortunately I missed the exact 347 number but it was definitely 410k plus change. 348 is 411,1?? (not on my computer right now, but pretty positive about the numbers given.).

AlnilamE · October 2015

rokrdt05 wrote: »

To earn my 698th champ point, I'll need... 2,377,344 XP.

Are you serious? Yelp! That's 3 VRs right there...

Dagoth_Rac · October 2015

Getting 357 required 419,850 on PTS. Getting 358 will require 420,939 on PTS.

Agree that this is a fall-behind mechanism. Someone 150 CP below the cap should not suddenly find it harder to catch the guy who already has 500+ CP.

danno8 · October 2015

Also it does not seem to be a fall behind mechanism. Those who are over 501 cap seem to get nailed hard.

For example from me to @Ezareth is about a 100 point difference from 348 to 442 and the XP difference is only 100k. But from his 442 to @DisgracefulMind 543 (another 100 point jump) the difference is 1.3 million

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rokrdt05 · October 2015

AlnilamE wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

To earn my 698th champ point, I'll need... 2,377,344 XP.

Are you serious? Yelp! That's 3 VRs right there...

I have more on the live currently... and by the time Orisinium rolls out I'll have A LOT more... so yeah I will be hit hard with this.

Ishammael · October 2015

So far this is what I have:

544 1870740
442 513544
331 391000
698 2,377,344
358 420,939
357 419,850
904 3,047,364

No trend yet -- seems like there is a huge increase someone in the 500 range.

Ezareth · October 2015

danno8 wrote: »

Also it does not seem to be a fall behind mechanism. Those who are over 501 cap seem to get nailed hard.

For example from me to @Ezareth is about a 100 point difference from 348 to 442 and the XP difference is only 100k. But from his 442 to @DisgracefulMind 543 (another 100 point jump) the difference is 1.3 million .

Sounds like I better get my ass to Cracked Wood Cave while the CP gettin is good! Step aside Methuselah!

danno8 · October 2015

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Getting 357 required 419,850 on PTS. Getting 358 will require 420,939 on PTS.

Agree that this is a fall-behind mechanism. Someone 150 CP below the cap should not suddenly find it harder to catch the guy who already has 500+ CP.

I don't understand how it is fall behind. The guy over 500 has essentially ground to a halt with this update and those below it make more CP XP relative to them.

It is exactly the definition of a catch-up mechanism.

smacx250 · October 2015

Ishammael wrote: »

So far this is what I have:

544 1870740
442 513544
331 391000
698 2,377,344
358 420,939
357 419,850
904 3,047,364

No trend yet -- seems like there is a huge increase someone in the 500 range.

There appears to be a discontinuity at the cap. From the data so far it is approximately:

Below cap: XP = 1103.4 * cp + 25859
Above cap: XP = 3267.5 * cp + 94442

glavius · October 2015

Yep. Only minor flaw is people get rewarded for grinding to 501 before the patch hits.

smacx250 · October 2015

glavius wrote: »

Yep. Only minor flaw is people get rewarded for grinding to 501 before the patch hits.

Yes, for those who want to get a jump on the next cap increase, doing so before the cap takes effect will be at a much lower cost than doing so afterwards. Better get grinding NOW!

Edit: Full disclosure - I sell XP drinks

smacx250 · October 2015

smacx250 wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

So far this is what I have:

544 1870740
442 513544
331 391000
698 2,377,344
358 420,939
357 419,850
904 3,047,364

No trend yet -- seems like there is a huge increase someone in the 500 range.

There appears to be a discontinuity at the cap. From the data so far it is approximately:

Below cap: XP = 1103.4 * cp + 25859
Above cap: XP = 3267.5 * cp + 94442

Just got onto the PTS - to gain CP #124 it is 166004 XP.

glavius · October 2015

whats cost just before 501?

AlnilamE · October 2015

rokrdt05 wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

To earn my 698th champ point, I'll need... 2,377,344 XP.

Are you serious? Yelp! That's 3 VRs right there...

I have more on the live currently... and by the time Orisinium rolls out I'll have A LOT more... so yeah I will be hit hard with this.

Oh, I wasn't talking about how many CP you had. I was talking about the XP needed to get to your next CP compared to what's needed to get VR levels on live right now.

That's a lot of fall-behind...

Rayste · October 2015

Oh dear, I just made a thread in general discussion regarding this. Had no idea this thread was rolling.

So basically the people over the cap will be 'frozen' in place until a new cap is released and then the mechanism starts again.

Not sure if I dislike that or not. Hmmm.

Jura23 · October 2015

Im not saying this is a good solution they decided to implement, but you cant just take away someones CPs and justify it with "recalculating". Capping it is one thing, but taking points away is entirely different story.

SCinsight · October 2015

ZOS needs to make it to where those below the 501 CP cap get a lower amount of exp than 400k to each CP, then after the 501 mark make it cap at 400k. This is just plain stupid, and another failed idea from ZOS.

AlnilamE · October 2015

SCinsight wrote: »

ZOS needs to make it to where those below the 501 CP cap get a lower amount of exp than 400k to each CP, then after the 501 mark make it cap at 400k. This is just plain stupid, and another failed idea from ZOS.

Agreed.

And the catch up shouldn't even be up to the cap. It should end earlier.

Leandor · October 2015

AlnilamE wrote: »

SCinsight wrote: »

ZOS needs to make it to where those below the 501 CP cap get a lower amount of exp than 400k to each CP, then after the 501 mark make it cap at 400k. This is just plain stupid, and another failed idea from ZOS.

Agreed.

And the catch up shouldn't even be up to the cap. It should end earlier.

It is earlier. Frim the data points list, you start to "drop off" compared to today at around 350. Everything beyond is already more.expensive than today. There's just another steep increase once you reach the cap.

Tyr · October 2015

it looks like the break even point of 400k XP per CP gain happens at about 335CP which corresponds to 1 Cp per day +90 days(time to the next patch maybe) when the patch hits live.

Basically it looks like they've made it to where CP gain goes from about 8X faster at 0CP to about 1.5X slower than the pre-patch rate at 500CP. Above 500CP it jumps to about 4X the pre-patch rate and accelerates all the way up to 30X the pre-patch rate at 3600.

Those 2 people above 2k CP are going to need 7 million for each CP now lol. People above 1k will need over 3 million per CP and people over 500 will need over 1.6 million per CP.

Daveheart · October 2015

My account: 524 --> 525 = 1,808,640 CPXP
My brother's account: 26 --> 27 = 60,326 CPXP

Also, I proposed this elsewhere:

Percentage of cap (cp range for the current cap) -> cost per CP
0-10% (0-50 CP) -> 50k CPXP
10-20% (50-100 CP) -> 75k CPXP
20-30% (100-150 CP) -> 100k CPXP
30-40% (150-200 CP) -> 150k CPXP
40-50% (200-250 CP) -> 200k CPXP
50-60% (250-300 CP) -> 250k CPXP
60-70% (300-350 CP) -> 300k CPXP
70-80% (350-400 CP) -> 350k CPXP
80%+ (400+ CP) -> 400k CPXP

Ishammael · October 2015

Can anybody provide some more data points for this, pls?

smacx250 · October 2015

Ishammael wrote: »

Can anybody provide some more data points for this, pls?

Here is a plot of data so far. Good enough for engineering, I'd say:

Edit: Added current rate as "No-cap". "Pre-cap" is after patch less than cap, "Post-cap" is after patch greater than cap.