One non-vet (and) one vet campaign as such would be nice.

I'm not going to try to make someone feel bad for have no job/family/priorities and can grind 10+ hours a day but...when they went B2P I remember them saying something about crown store offerings for the people that can't do that (ie:convenience items), so ZOS is well aware that the majority doesn't/can't play that way.

So ZOS can either turn those players off completely and lose that income or figure out viable alternatives. A non-CP campaign would be a viable alternative, or just sell me a max lvl in everything toon

Zlater wrote: »

It would defeat the purpose of champion points, PvP isn't about level, skill points or champion points. Its about your ability to utilize the game mechanics to your advantage the only way you'll be any good is by PvPing. Also called PLAYER SKILL.

Consider learning how to use these better instead:
-Roll dodge
-Block
-Sneaking
-Animation clipping
-When to break free
-LOS <is a big one
-Armor selections
-Interrupting
-Run/mount stamina conservation
-War tactics
-FOLLOWING THE CROWN
-Food/drinks
-Potions
-Staying out of AOE
-Learning when to run and when to stay.
-Pretty much every combat mechanic you are going to have used against you. Learn them.

I know there are many more to put here but I've got a headache so forgive me.
To put it in perspective Sypher recently put in one of his posts that he has roughly 300CP's. Compared to many players that already have 1000+ you would think that he wouldn't stand a chance? Yet he is still very obviously one of the best despite the 60% disadvantage.

You should become a better player not a better character. It is obvious when people complain about PvP that they are not very skilled as a player yet. I can speak honestly when I say that with each of my characters, when they hit lvl10-20 I always immideately take them in to a normal (thornblade usually) campaign for some PvP. It has always been the best way for me to get better with my char and when I'm doing ok I take them back to PvE for some leveling.

Says PVP should be based on player skill yet supports the system that gives players advantages that are not based on skill in the same post.

Logic.

How is this going to work in imperial city where there is a mix of PVE and PVP elements?

Definitely for this.. except they should just apply this to Blackwater Blade since it is supposed to be "Non-Veteran." But we all know 80 to 90% of the people fighting in it are just rerolling new characters constantly so they can mop up new pvp players with their advantage.

There really is no argument that holds any validity there because again.. its supposed to be Non-Veteran, and clearly it is not.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Definitely for this.. except they should just apply this to Blackwater Blade since it is supposed to be "Non-Veteran." But we all know 80 to 90% of the people fighting in it are just rerolling new characters constantly so they can mop up new pvp players with their advantage.

There really is no argument that holds any validity there because again.. its supposed to be Non-Veteran, and clearly it is not.

Although I agree that many vets have rerolled. I think it is funny the way you stated it. 8f 80-90 percent are rerolls. Then mopping up new players is a minimal part. They would be fighting other rerolls. Lol

True.. maybe an over-exaggeration on my part. It just seems contradictory to call it non-veteran campaign when such a huge portion of its participants are using veteran level bonuses.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

RustedValor wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

How is this going to work in imperial city where there is a mix of PVE and PVP elements?

No champion points would be even better for Imperial City as everyone would stand a fighting chance of keeping their loot.

i dont think you fully understand what i am saying, allow me to rephrase my question ...

im asking how this could have any value in imperial city if all our champion points are removed, because we would still be fighting PVE bosses that we would be too weak to kill if we did not have our champion points.
and how can we defend ourselves from people who are maxed out in champion points if we dont have our champion points? because this is no longer in cryodiil but in imperial city.

Ofcourse all this is 0ure speculation but this starts at lvl 10. So I would suspect that Zos has taken into consideration people with little to no champ points

reklaw67 wrote: »

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

SO you want to play on a campaign that has zero character progression? The CP system is VERY small long term progression and reason to keep going. No one i know wants to hit that "Im finished wall". the CP system lets you keep going and improving your character.

take the vet level out, those are what cause a massive cap in power. The CP system is actually very minor

You will be free to play with other pve Zombie destroyers if that is your wish.

Sorry but I don't think pvp progression should be achieved by mindlessly aoe'ing down zombies in pve safe zones. It creates needless gaps that have nothing to do with skill.

All we are asking is that the majority of us that do not like the current system have a campaign that caters to our interests.

I don't mindlessly PVE zombies, I will do PVE at times BUT I mainly play for the PVP endgame ( I came from DAOC) I like PVPing all night and gaining 1-3 CPs depending. It makes me feel like my character is always getting stronger and I am always working towards a better character THREW PVP. Most everyone I know that is PVP loses interest or quits when their progression stops, including me. the CP system is perfect as it is very long term PVP progression. I could careless if other people get slightly stronger doing CPs in PVE, that's not what I want to do, I enjoy PVP progression.

And the gap very minor, and at some point everyone will be maxed and the way I see it is you might as well do it from what you like which is PVP.

I can understand complaning about vet level gaps but not the minor gaps from
CP progression that really slows down as you go. the first CPs are the big ones. the difference between someone with 200CPS and 1500 CS is very very small and in most cases wont matter in a fight

I brought this same thing up with my buddies and we all agreed: a non-CP campaign would be a SUPER-EASY change to even the playing field.

I would like to see it implemented.

@F7sus4 Its great that you took the time to throw together all these tests and show us the progress made throughout investing into the CS.

And you are right to a certain extent especially for damage dealt the main benefit of the CS is reached at ~360 CP.
However we are talking about PvP here and there are definetly other passives out there that highly increase a characters performance apart from those you mentioned.
With an additional 300 CP for example we would be able to take 25% less damage from both elemental AND magic damage, providing us an additinal edge in combat. Especially for builds that rely on active and passive defenses this is a huge gap, since they can get both the boost to their active defense ( blocking or shields ) and a passive defense like reduced magick damage, making them wey more resiliant than a build with only access to one of those stars.

In the same context we can get 100 points into tumbling for near infinite break frees and readily availabe dodges even for magicka builds.
Or maybe as a magicka DK we can get us 25% fire and staff damage to run around with some nice little 20k+ heavy attack.

On top of that comes the ability to custimize the CP distribution more effectively the more CP you have, which provides another certain edge over any player that lacks behind in CP.

Then there are 2 more aspects of the CS you did not touch upon in your tests.
First we get a certain amount of our main attributes per CP we invest and while they are not as impactful as the individual stars, these boni add a certain level of power to your character that shouldn't be underestimated in a PvP environment.

Second we have the unlockable CP passives, which provide an incredible powerspike for PvP at least.
A magicka nightblade for example would benefit greatly from both "last stand" and "tactican" out of the mage constellations, while " unchained" and "reinforced" can change the entire dynamcis of a fight. but only for those with access to it. Granted for the Thief only the "windwalker passive has much of an impact on actual fights, unless "shadowstrike" actually works with cloak, which would make it a quite powerful too for both magicka and stamina Nightblades.

All these passive DO make a difference and it is definetly noticeable when fighting a player with quite a lot more CP than yourself, to the point where a decent player with enough CP will simply be unkillable by a similary skilled player with a serious CP disadvantage.

One campaign with no cps at non vet and one at vet, yes. It caters for new players, casuals and put skill pvpers. Everyone who has thousands of cps can still play on normal campaigns.

TequilaFire wrote: »

No problem with having a campaign with out CP as long as it is voluntary.
But the OP asked an opinion whether we would prefer a campaign where cp is disabled.
And thus our answer has nothing to do with whether there should be one without or not.

Yeah the point of the poll was to determine if there was any demand for a non-cp campaign. I don't think all pvp campains should remove cp, but that one should exist for casual players who don't want to be bothered with it and a place where new players can compete without 6 months of grinding.