Should vet leveling be faster since they are getting rid of it entirely?

filmoretub17_ESO

I think vet leveling takes too long and is grindy. Simply because they are getting rid of it why make people go through the process.

Elsonso

I don't even see that a poll will be valid at this point. We don't know what they are thinking.

It is not going to be as simple as "remove Vet Ranks" and I think we all know that. They will have a void if they just do that, and will have to decide what to do with all the Vet 1 - Vet 14 people and whether the Champion System will be enough of a replacement.

If the Champion System is the answer, then people will be grinding CP (as they are already) and if they do something different, like convert VR to levels, then people will have to level up.

Balael

I started playing this game at launch and quit around 2 months later when I hit VR3 (bearing in mind I got to 50 well within the first month). Just because VR leveling was so boring, played less and less and eventually quit.

I started playing again last week, and honestly the VR leveling feels worse than ever. Admitted for the moment likely because of my long break the quests/gameplay is actually keeping me entertained but I haven't even gained 1 VR, I've not even gained half a VR.

I can't imagine I will get to VR14 with it like this, this is very much the style of Asian grindfest MMO's where you grind for hours on end to gain 1 level and you have extreme power gaps between higher levels and lower levels.

Merlin13KAGL

Thank you for starting this, as there was not already 10+ other active threads proclaiming the same thing.

AlnilamE

If they make vet leveling any easier, they have to up the level of the mobs in all the VR zones.

Right now, my V14 is wrapping up the side-quests in the last Silver zone.
My V6 is halfway through the quests in the first zone in Silver
My V4 has just finished the starter islands in Silver

If you are doing anything other than straight up 100% questing, you will easily outlevel the VR zones and it will become even more of a faceroll than it already is.

So if they change the XP requirement for vet levels, they better make the mobs more challenging and increase the VR level of the mobs in the vet zones to what they expect the players to be (ie, pretty much all of the Gold zones would be VR14)

skarvika

They should just give everyone an option to scale up to VR14 now. Keyword: OPTION. I know there are people who want to do the quests and would not want them to be too easy. Don't throw fire at me just yet guys.

filmoretub17_ESO

Need more votes to get a solid answer from the playerbase.

Jaxsun

The XP needed to gain a vet rank should scale the same as 1-49.

Jando

I agree with the OP. In fact I started almost the exact same thread a week ago:

Why and How to Remove the Pain of Veteran Ranks....Its-simple


Why: Player Separation. Player separation is the number one reason why vet levels need to be removed/adjusted. I've had too many real life friends simply give up because the road is too long to get to max level. The reason why becoming max level is so important in an MMO is because that pool of max level characters is the largest pool of players in the game as compared to each other individual level prior to max level. I would be very surprised if there weren't more vr14 characters than any other single level in the game (other than level 1 , or perhaps VR1). Being max level means that when you are looking for a group you don't have to find a tiny sliver of the population that is the same level as you are, instead there is a large pool of people that have reached end-game content which also happens to be the best content in the game.

How: Simply reduce the XP required to gain each vet rank from 1,000,000 to the amount of xp needed to go from 49-50 (not sure what that is). This essentially just makes vr14 the equivalent of level 63. No other changes to the game would be required. No retroactive granting of vet levels for xp gained prior to the change.

Why not do it....next patch?

Psychobunni

I think people should stop whining about the vet levels and be doing everything they can to earn CP now. I don't know why people think they will just make everyone lvl 50 and suddenly everyone can do everything that is currently "end game"

Instead of not taking xxxxx player into Sanctum Ophidia because they are VR 2 for instance....it will be because you don't have X amount of champion points, x gear, etc

If ZOS did for some reason make it so that all lvl 50's could complete any content, ppl would quit plain and simple. There has to be a goal to keep trying to reach.

My two cents anyway

AH93

Jando wrote: »

I agree with the OP. In fact I started almost the exact same thread a week ago:

Why and How to Remove the Pain of Veteran Ranks....Its-simple


Why: Player Separation. Player separation is the number one reason why vet levels need to be removed/adjusted. I've had too many real life friends simply give up because the road is too long to get to max level. The reason why becoming max level is so important in an MMO is because that pool of max level characters is the largest pool of players in the game as compared to each other individual level prior to max level. I would be very surprised if there weren't more vr14 characters than any other single level in the game (other than level 1 , or perhaps VR1). Being max level means that when you are looking for a group you don't have to find a tiny sliver of the population that is the same level as you are, instead there is a large pool of people that have reached end-game content which also happens to be the best content in the game.

How: Simply reduce the XP required to gain each vet rank from 1,000,000 to the amount of xp needed to go from 49-50 (not sure what that is). This essentially just makes vr14 the equivalent of level 63. No other changes to the game would be required. No retroactive granting of vet levels for xp gained prior to the change.

Why not do it....next patch?

Great ideas, but this is ZoS, they don't do listening anymore.

Artemiisia

if people stopped making the post about it, and actually started playing the game they would be vr14 already.

for me, I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE the fact it dont take 1 day to level from vr1 to vr14

david.haypreub18_ESO

If you think the Vet levels produced too much separation, the Champion Point system is literally 10x worse.

I don't think they can remove vet levels anymore. If they tie gear to the Champion Point system, then the separation between players is going to increase exponentially. Imagine gear that requires 1000 Champion Points spent to use.

I used to dislike vet levels due to the grind, but if they do away with them and all we have is Champion Points, I may simply quit the game because the playing field will never be level after that. The Champion system is way more of a grind than vet levels ever were.

Jando

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

If you think the Vet levels produced too much separation, the Champion Point system is literally 10x worse.

I don't think they can remove vet levels anymore. If they tie gear to the Champion Point system, then the separation between players is going to increase exponentially. Imagine gear that requires 1000 Champion Points spent to use.

I used to dislike vet levels due to the grind, but if they do away with them and all we have is Champion Points, I may simply quit the game because the playing field will never be level after that. The Champion system is way more of a grind than vet levels ever were.

One thing at a time. I have many other posts about the Champion System. I agree those are an even worse grind. But at least you can group up with people and do PVE content together with people of varying CP's

My thoughts on Champion System here : The-Champion-System-Its-Problems-and-a-Proposed-Solutionl

Sacadon

Please recreate poll after we know more about there plans for removing the ranks. Otherwise, probably a tad bit irrelevant.

filmoretub17_ESO

Well I'm not spending the time that will be required to level another vet. I got my Templar to v14 and played him a bunch but I'd like to see what other classes can do and how they feel but I will not be spending that much time on another character that I might not end up liking.

Sallington

$100 on there still being VET levels a year from now.

Sylvyr

Who says they will get rid of vet levels?

Audigy

To not have VR´s would be a mistake. What are players supposed to do once they hit 50? We have zero content for those interested in quests, RP. Not everyone plays an MMO to rush to max level and then steamroll raids. Always keep that in mind if you want to remove content from this game.

filmoretub17_ESO

Sylvyr wrote: »

Who says they will get rid of vet levels?

They have said they will be removing vet levels since before December.

Leeric

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

Who says they will get rid of vet levels?

They have said they will be removing vet levels since before December.

And i can list you numerous things that they have "said" that never came to be or were reversed.

Probably going to happen in this case as well is my guess.

Bouvin

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

Who says they will get rid of vet levels?

They have said they will be removing vet levels since before December.

They've said a lot of things.. most of which never happened.

filmoretub17_ESO

Wow must be new players here don't know that they are getting rid of vet ranks. It was a big issue and they had a long discussion about it . here's some links

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/147849/who-can-wear-v14-gear#latest
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/150229/gear-and-the-removal-of-vet-system
here's a quote

Phase 4 was supposed to be the last phase of the Champion System in which they remove Vet Ranks and install Seasonal Gear. <-- Which kinda answers your question. Seasonal gear is supposed to be a Tiered system where you would have access to the highest Tiers based on in game experience and achievements. For each new season, the previous season's gear was supposed to be available for cheap so that players would never really be any more than one season behind the most active players.

carlos.trevisan.contatonrb19_ESO

The problem im seeing its the exploit.
So many (many many many many) Vet players have aquired their vet levels by exploiting areas for XP and not just doing quests.
Most ppl that try to get vet ranks only by questing just give up.
And many of these exploiters hide the way they have gained theirs XP/vet lvls and make posts talking about something that they didnt: gain Xp questing only;
And the Veteran levels are really hard and lower paced because Devs need time to make the Console version, Then they can think on the game.
My tip is: wait for june, or go play another game until they release Console version...

ArterionAU

I'm currently leveling up Veteran Ranks by doing the other faction Quest and IMO I love it. I don't feel grindy at all and I thought levels 0-50 were to fast. I feel more accomplished when I level a VR because of how long it takes.

NewBlacksmurf

Azzan wrote: »

I'm currently leveling up Veteran Ranks by doing the other faction Quest and IMO I love it. I don't feel grindy at all and I thought levels 0-50 were to fast. I feel more accomplished when I level a VR because of how long it takes.

BUT would you do it all over again per character?