Is this addon ok? seems borderline exploit.

Qhival

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info224-Jumper.html#info

Apparently you can't teleport to yourself with the guild UI, but you can type out a long series of characters in chat to teleport to yourself. This places you at your nearest wayshrine. Sounds awesome right? it is. This addon creater simply made a short /jump alias for it.

I've only had it a few hours, and i'm starting to feel guilty. Even though it isnt accessing memory or doing anything fishy per say, It needs clarified. you could do it anyways, this just gets by all the hassle of deciding who to travel to on the guild list. They basically need to remove wayshrine cost completely or remove teleporting completely if they decide this is an exploit.

Will one of you fine devs look into this for me and let us know if this is ok to use?

EDIT: possible solution: make guild teleporting cost gold unless at a shrine. I think that solves everything

Dolenz

Yes, I would say it is an exploit since it is a free jump to the wayshrine and does not charge you the gold that it would take to jump to that wayshrine via the in game map.

AlliN

I would say, it's "clever use of the game mechanics".

To prevent that nonsense It would need a cooldown, or on the other hand removal of wayshrine tele cost as whole.

Saerydoth

Well it's using a legit API call called JumpToGuildMember(). I don't see it as being an exploit. Addons can only make API calls that they have been specifically authorized to call.

reggielee

I've seen the jump commands to port to friend, guildmember or to leader in a forum thread somewhere. It didnt mention an add on in the thread, I thought it was just shortcuts to the command tree. I havent used them so Im not sure if it was an add on or not

Qhival

Saerydoth wrote: »

Well it's using a legit API call called JumpToGuildMember(). I don't see it as being an exploit. Addons can only make API calls that they have been specifically authorized to call.

This is true, but unlike other addons it completely gets around a econ game mechanic. I dont think the addon creator is to blame at all, nor do i think he should be punished if this is deemed to be an exploit. It's just something the devs left open.

AlliN

Well if it does not have a cost, it should have a cooldown and problem would be somewhat sorted.

Dolenz

"If triggered by command or keybinding Jumper teleports you to the nearest wayshrine if available.
The addon uses the function JumpToGuildMember() so it is a free jump!"

I take it there is not a guild member waiting for you at the nearest wayshrine? If not it seems like an exploit to avoid paying the cost to teleport to a shrine from the wilderness.

Just my opinion though.

hippy777b14a_ESO

I would consider this an exploit. That's what exploits DO is exploit in game mechanics to achieve a benefit that was not intended by the original intent or design of the game.

I'm pretty sure they did not intend the teleport to guildmate function to provide a way to circumvent the cost of getting to a wayshrine (time or gold wise)

Qhival

reggielee wrote: »

I've seen the jump commands to port to friend, guildmember or to leader in a forum thread somewhere. It didnt mention an add on in the thread, I thought it was just shortcuts to the command tree. I havent used them so Im not sure if it was an add on or not

that's all part of the game.

Sadique

does it even matter if it has a cost? i can just teleport to a friend or guildy and still get around the wayshrine costs. Teleporting to yourself or a friend both have a loading time.

destructor646646b14_ESO

AFAIK, you can do this yourself manually by finding a guilded person in your zone and RMB -> Teleport to Player. You'll then port as close as you can to them via a shrine and drop into their instance.

What this mod does is (somehow) make the guilded person you. Thus you teleport to the shrine closest to you as it's trying to teleport you to you.

This is something they can't exactly fix without disabling the entire ability to either 1) Port to a Wayshrine when not next to one, or 2) Disable the ability to port to a friend/guildmate.

Losing either of the above features will be...bad.

awkwarrd

Normally a ZOS person has replied by now to answer something like this.

Either way i can't see this being fixed or stopped anytime soon.

AlliN

Losing either of the above features will be...bad.

OR adding a cooldown to guild port.
There, fixed.

Nyxx

It seems like an exploit. I would avoid it if I were you. At least until ZOS takes a look at it and says it's alright to use.

Qhival

Sadique wrote: »

does it even matter if it has a cost? i can just teleport to a friend or guildy and still get around the wayshrine costs. Teleporting to yourself or a friend both have a loading time.

this is what im thinking. you could do it anyways, this just gets by all the hassle of deciding who to travel to on the guild list. They basically need to remove wayshrine cost completely or remove teleporting completely if they decide this is an exploit

Dolenz

Can you teleport to the nearest wayshrine in game without the add-on and without paying a gold cost?

If the answer is no then it is an exploit. It seems pretty straight forward. Add-ons are not intended to circumvent or bypass in-game systems.

Qhival

Dolenz wrote: »

Can you teleport to the nearest wayshrine in game without the add-on and without paying a gold cost?

If the answer is no then it is an exploit. It seems pretty straight forward. Add-ons are not intended to circumvent or bypass in-game systems.

you can teleport to anyone in any of your guilds and be at a shrine without paying a gold cost. is that an exploit?

ragamerb16_ESO

It's an exploit... And you can bet the function call will be modified silently to not allow self-teleports (It's trivial to fix) leaving it as how the Wayshrines work anywhere else on the game... To teleport to other person instance.

The only ppl that don't see this as such are the ones that don't understand what an exploit is or doesn't care about exploiting in the first place.

Medwin

Well since you can always just jump to friends how is it an exploit?

AlliN

The only ppl that don't see it as such are the ones that don't understand what an exploit is or doesn't care about them.

Or those that think game has bigger problems now. I would like to see that patched, but seriously, there are more pressing issues at hand. This is not hurting anyone, even if it's borderline grey area. Shame on devs, that they can't see through loopholes as obvious as this.

destructor646646b14_ESO

Qhival wrote: »

you can teleport to anyone in any of your guilds and be at a shrine without paying a gold cost. is that an exploit?

Exactly. That's what makes this mod (and thus the entire teleporting system) so questionable. It does what you can do yourself at any time.

Also, okay, so let's say they put a cooldown on guild teleporting. Most people only pay to teleport to a wayshrine when they're moving back to sell as their inventory is completely full, so it's not like they do it that often.

Qhival

possible fix: make teleporting cost gold unless at a shrine. I think that solves everything

Saerydoth

If they consider this an exploit, this type of thing is usually just altered with a patch so the addon doesn't work anymore, rather than any sort of banning. It's using a publicly available API function, so there's no rule breaking.

Blackhorne

destructor646646b14_ESO wrote: »

This is something they can't exactly fix without disabling the entire ability to either 1) Port to a Wayshrine when not next to one, or 2) Disable the ability to port to a friend/guildmate.

Sure they can. All they have to do is add the following check (pseudocode because I don't have LUA or the object model memorized) to the JumpToGuildMember() function:

if Target = Player then CancelJump.

Dolenz

Personally, I don't care one way or another and if it stays in they game it won't affect me at all.

As I understand it though, it is an exploit.

Qhival

if this functionality is removed it would be possible just change it to teleport to anyone online in your guild instead. Exact same advantage, exact same mod on the surface.

Dolenz

Qhival wrote: »

if this functionality is removed it would be possible just change it to teleport to anyone online in your guild instead. Exact same advantage, exact same mod on the surface.

And not and exploit if it functioned like that.

ragamerb16_ESO

if this functionality is removed it would be possible just change it to teleport to anyone online in your guild instead. Exact same advantage, exact same mod on the surface.

Well... Good luck finding ALWAYS a guildm8/friend near the Shrine you want to port to... Specially on PvP environments (Cyrodiil is going to be an even strangest "PvP" zone once this addon generalizes itself).

The problem is ppl that believes they are smarter than others... Keep on abusing this and 2 things are going to happen:

a) Teleports to players will incur into the same cost as manually having to do the same. This means the player should be charged gold equivalent to manually travel to the nearest discovered wayshrine... Obviously a "grace" distance around a wayshrine (like 10m) would make this ports free... More or less equivalent as if a player manually run to a shrine and then initiate the teleport clicking on it.

b) Teleports to other players will be disabled to targets on the same instance as the player attempting them (Which is something that should always been like that... The main goal of all this "transport" mechanisms is allowing groups to play together on the same copy of a given zone).

Obviously, the above 2 modifications would take longer to implement than a simple "target = self" check to disable the action.

Qhival

Well... Good luck finding ALWAYS a guildm8/friend near the Shrine you want to port to... Specially on PvP environments (Cyrodiil is going to be an even strangest "PvP" zone once this addon generalizes itself).

a shrine is a shrine, why does it matter if it's nearby? once at a shrine you can just teleport to the shrine you want.

ragamerb16_ESO

a shrine is a shrine, why does it matter if it's nearby? once at a shrine you can just teleport to the shrine you want.

A shrine... On ANOTHER zone/instance is not a regular shrine... As any1 on the EU server at peak times can tell you.