Are you happy with ESO's trade system?

Rodario

My impression of the general mood on the forums is that a lot of people are not happy with the guild trader system and while a global AH is not viewed as the best solution by many players, something has to change.

I have decided to include all the trade systems I can think of in this poll to see where the majority lands.

A few clarifications beforehand:

- Global AH also means cross faction AH

- Regional Markets refers to the system described in this post

TL;DR:

- No more bidding. All guilds can offer their wares in a regional market of their choice. For a fee, of course.
- All guild traders within a region are linked and show the same items for sale.
- Some markets will be more popular than others, this will influence the fee.

The general idea of Regional Markets
For full details refer to the linked post

Instead of bidding on an individual guild trader, any guild can pay a weekly fee to participate in a regional market. This means buyers will have access to a lot more guild stores at once and reduce the need to visit trader after trader, searching for a specific item, or the best deal.

Obviously some markets will be more popular than others, so while the listing fee will be the same for all guilds within a region, it will differ from region to region. I believe the relative sales volume within a market should determine the fee within a set range e.g. 10'000-250'000 from least to most popular. This will be recalculated on a weekly basis.

I suggest all regional markets' fees start at 50'000 when the system goes live. After the first week and recalculation, fees will start to differ greatly.

After a while the most popular markets will have crystallized and the most successful trading guilds will offer their wares there, while aspiring new guilds and non-trading guilds will participate in the less popular zones. Some of them will work their way up, as more funds become available (More active sellers/saving up).

I don't expect the outcome of this poll to affect anything, but I'm interested to see the results.

Rodario

No, I'd prefer Regional Markets

It's pretty clear where I stand, I assume.

Paske

Yes, I'm happy with the system as it is

Considering I make good coin and in the same time find everything I need - from gear to materials...

Yes, I am happy with it

seneferab16_ESO

Yes, I'm happy with the system as it is

Just give us some damn tools in the Guild Trade window so we can easily search for what we want.

I'd be happy for a Text search as well as a simple thing: just a tiiiny little checkbox that said "Remember this search" so when I run around a town looking through all the guild shops for one specific item, I don't have to click my way through the search again and again and again.

Might not seem to be a lot of time wasted, but when you start adding it up.. ojoj

Nox_Aeterna

No, I'd prefer a global AH

I would ofc prefer a global AH, failing that , the next one in that order of magnitude , be it faction wide ...

In the end , guild trades are a joke , few guilds cant feed the their entire faction, so they are close useless in the end , you are lucky to ever find something you want in one. Usually others already took everything.

Usually i deppend on guild AHs , i dont mind quitting and joining new trade guilds if they dont have what i want in the AH.

Now the thing i wont do for sure is directly trade with other players , higher chance i would unsub than ever do that. My trade guilds remain muted.

KenjiJU

I thought the first phase (purely guild stores with no traders) felt pretty limited, but I really like how the traders turned out. You have the occasion to find a really nice deal since not everyone has eyes on the whole market.

Pengeszikra

Other (please only completely different suggestions)

I would like to see global search system , which means text search, result show on map all guild trader which have the item.

Starwhite

Other (please only completely different suggestions)

I really like the guild stores, use them every day. The lost guild traders, standing far way at lonely places... what a crap.

Never create a AH worldwide or factionwide, it ruins the market. Price and market manipulation like WoW or Tera ? Sure a AH is comfortable, but I know enough people who abused it ! Raising prices = AH ! Cause many players with millions of gold, just waiting for it.

Vizier

Other (please only completely different suggestions)

For the most part I like the system as is. It meets my needs, but I do find it a bit cumbersome.

Guild Stores AND Guild Stands- Need to just have the items show up in a tabbed "Is Stock" inventory grid.

The reason is for the store I'd like to see what is available, not just what I search for.

For Guild Stands- I almost never use them. Why? They are not any more convenient to use than the guild store and you can't browse inventory. You have to pretty much be searching for specific things. If I could easily browse the inventory, though I might stop and take a quick look. As is I just can't be bothered to stop and search.

martinhpb16_ESO

No, I'd prefer factionwide AHs, but leave the guild trader system intact and make their fee lower than the AHs'

Nope I don't like the system at present. You have to travel all over Tamriel for the guild stores.

Also some guilds charge ridiculous prices and many big guilds are cornering the market which is elitist.

Trade Guilds are also dependent on the people running them to do the administration. They can go down the pan very quickly and you never know how effective a guild is going to be until you are in it.

I would prefer an open market as I also find the turnover of Trade Guilds to be slow.

Just because some individuals manage to sell their stuff doesn't mean that the system is a good one overall.

AshySamurai

Yes, I'm happy with the system as it is

Do you like the current trade system in ESO?

Do you want a better trading system?

Improving ESO's trading system

Rodario

No, I'd prefer Regional Markets

AshySamurai wrote: »

Do you like the current trade system in ESO?

Do you want a better trading system?

Improving ESO's trading system

I don't feel like this is a duplicate, as those polls are just yes/no.

AshySamurai

Yes, I'm happy with the system as it is

Rodario wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

Do you like the current trade system in ESO?

Do you want a better trading system?

Improving ESO's trading system

I don't feel like this is a duplicate, as those polls are just yes/no.

It's just a link to previous discussions. I don't ask you to necro topics. Maybe someone would be interested in reading it.

Rune_Relic

Other (please only completely different suggestions)

The crafting orders suggested in another thread seems to be the ticket for me.

1. You create what you want at a crafting station but as a crafting order rather than a build and add the price you will pay.

2. The crafter sees a list of crafting orders at the crafting station too. He can create armour for himself or fulfil a crafting order if he is happy with the payment offered.

Everything is made to order at the crafting stations basically. Not too bothered if this is tamriel wide, faction only or even zone only. Its instant coin in exchange for crafted goods.

Elloa

Yes, I'm happy with the system as it is

I'm fine with the system as it is, and actually I really do not care so much. I'm never buying anything anyway, and if I manage to seel the few stuff I want to sell, I do not really care who bought it tbh !

AlexDougherty

No, I'd prefer a global AH, but leave the guild trader system intact and make their fee lower than the AH's

I like the system as it is, but I would like a global trade system as well, and I see no reason they can't co-exist. A bit like how Amazon exists at the same time as the supermarkets.

MercutioElessar

Yes, I'm happy with the system as it is

I'm open to really everything that is supporting the TES lore.
In addition I'd like to not be able to trade nor communicate with the other fractions due to the enemy they are.

Cogo

Yes, I'm happy with the system as it is

Rodario wrote: »

My impression of the general mood on the forums is that a lot of people are not happy with the guild trader system and while a global AH is not viewed as the best solution by many players, something has to change.

I have decided to include all the trade systems I can think of in this poll to see where the majority lands.

A few clarifications beforehand:

- Global AH also means cross faction AH
- Regional Markets refers to the system described in this post
TL;DR from that post:
-- No more bidding. All guilds can offer their wares in a regional market of their choice. For a fee, of course.
-- All guild traders within a region are linked and show the same items for sale.
-- Some markets will be more popular than others, this will influence the fee.


I don't expect the outcome of this poll to affect anything, but I'm interested to see the results.

Another equal poll where the system who rewards effort and not lazy only get 1 option to vote for.

But lots of options for: "I want AH!! So I can sell and buy easy! I don't want to look for what I need!"

This is a dead horse. Economy works outstandingly. We even got a new class in ESO. Merchant.

Cogo

Yes, I'm happy with the system as it is

AlexDougherty wrote: »

I like the system as it is, but I would like a global trade system as well, and I see no reason they can't co-exist. A bit like how Amazon exists at the same time as the supermarkets.

Hi Alex!

Here is your reason for not be able to trade with the enemy.

MercutioElessar wrote: »

I'm open to really everything that is supporting the TES lore.
In addition I'd like to not be able to trade nor communicate with the other fractions due to the enemy they are.

KingRebz

Other (please only completely different suggestions)

This trade system needs more than 5 tradeable items and also we need a function to LEND items; why not? its a great idea! also..Global AH...xD

MercutioElessar

Yes, I'm happy with the system as it is

KingRebz wrote: »

a function to LEND items

Holy cow... How would you control a lending system?
Secondly but nevertheless important: This game plays in an age like the middle ages. Lending a sword?
"Hey, Sir Gawain would you please lend me your sword for this fight? You'll get it back after some decapitations eventually".

Big LOL

Cogo

Yes, I'm happy with the system as it is

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Nope I don't like the system at present. You have to travel all over Tamriel for the guild stores.

You are right! You need to travel all over and interact with Tamriels players.

To be able to travel and find different items to all kinds of prices, which the players decides if it's worth buying or selling for. This is a core feature of ESOs economy.
The system have been explained by Zenimax for over 2 years now. Some players have even start to travel as a Merchant to buy cheap and sell for profit. They call themselves Merchants! A new class made by players.
Effort = Reward - also an ESO core feature.

Also some guilds charge ridiculous prices and many big guilds are cornering the market which is elitist.

Economists still learns these organic economy structures in Universities today:
Publilius Syrus, a Latin writer of maxims
Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Publilius_Syrus

No one is forced either to buy or sell anything. You choose.
If you want something right away and don't want to wait? Then buy the item, you choose it's worth it.

If someone is selling at very high prices. Then you can buy it much cheaper from Zone chat for example.

Trade Guilds are also dependent on the people running them to do the administration. They can go down the pan very quickly and you never know how effective a guild is going to be until you are in it.

Again, you are right!
A good trade guild needs good leaders, just like any other guild. However, they have different goals. Guilds with no leadership dies off yes. So want a good guild? Join one or make one?

I would prefer an open market as I also find the turnover of Trade Guilds to be slow.

I only have one trade guild now. The sale/buy log there is never longer then 8 hours.

ESO market is wide open. Only Eve is more "open".
Open market means, there are lots of ways to trade goods. Not just 1 place.
The players sets the prices in an open market.

AH simply do not belong in the type of MMO that ESO is. ESOs items have much more value then most other MMOs.
AH would ruin ESOs economy in a matter of weeks...

Just because some individuals manage to sell their stuff doesn't mean that the system is a good one overall.

Sorry, I have to disagree. Lots of people sell and buy things every day. Just not at the same place.

spoqster

Other (please only completely different suggestions)

I'd prefer a system as explained here

AlnilamE

Yes, I'm happy with the system as it is

seneferab16_ESO wrote: »

Just give us some damn tools in the Guild Trade window so we can easily search for what we want.

I'd be happy for a Text search as well as a simple thing: just a tiiiny little checkbox that said "Remember this search" so when I run around a town looking through all the guild shops for one specific item, I don't have to click my way through the search again and again and again.

Might not seem to be a lot of time wasted, but when you start adding it up.. ojoj

Pretty much this. The AwesomeGuildStore addon makes the guild traders so much better, but it really should be part of the game UI

Last weekend I decided I was going to try out a Sanctuary set, and a friend needed a piece of another set. So I set them both up as searches on the first trader I hit and then did a quick tour of the traders in a few areas I know are likely to have large stock and in under 20 minutes I had a set for me and had found the piece my friend was looking for. All at reasonable prices.

Rune_Relic

Other (please only completely different suggestions)

I think the problem is its currently setup as a sellers market.
Everyone makes stuff and floods the market in the hope of selling it.
[Lots of gold tied up in useless junk no one wants or theres 1000s of]

The alternative is to have a buyers market system.
People who want stuff place orders and the crafters meet those orders.
This relies on everything being made to order and crafters competing for contracts.

Arizona_Willie

No, I'd prefer a global AH

An AH is pretty much a necessity for crafters. And the Guild Stores don't have enough items.

If you need the Sword of *** ( which gives your opponent an *** and makes them helpless for 20 seconds ) the odds of being able to find it in on of your allowed 5 guilds is next to none.

Some people don't like an AH because they were too lazy to learn how to use one in WOW and didn't like people making a lot of money when they couldn't.
The AH was a game within a game.

An < acceptable though not desirable alternative > would be game wide stores.
Anything anyone put up for sale anywhere in the game would be available at EVERY store. And the stores should be searchable.

People could set their own price but no negotiation / bidding.

You could undersell someone else but there would be no bidding ( to satisfy the losers in the WOW Auction Houses ).

Personally, I prefer the Game Wide Auction House.

I am waiting another month or so and if neither an Auction House or game wide store isn't announced soon, I will cancel my subscription. Chasing all over the continents trying to find a store that < MIGHT > have the item I need is not satisfactory. I may wait until next year very early.

But, so far Zenimax has turned a deaf ear to all requests for an AH ... MOST LIKELY BECAUSE THEIR PROGRAMMERS DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE ONE.

They KNOW people are quitting because of the lack of an AH but they don't care.

Grunim

Yes, I'm happy with the system as it is

I appreciate how the current set-up keeps inflation in check, allows players to make a reasonable profit at times and also find bargains to buy.

I do NOT want a global AH in this game. I do hope ZOS is working on revamping the UI to allow for searching of specific items.

driosketch

Yes, I'm happy with the system as it is

I like shopping around the guild traders. Eventually I not only find what I need, but usually a great price. It's a great way to see what some thing is worth, or where there might be an untapped demand. I noticed legendary aspect runes tend to go for around 4,000. I usually undercut that to 3,500. But I also notice other traders selling for less than that, (2,000 at one of the out of the way traders). So I buy those up and flip them, making some nice profit while still passing savings along to my buyers.

With a global AH, that would eliminate the varied price points across markets, and make it much harder to find deals to flip, which is how I earn most of my gold.

(Some tips, any essence runes other than the ones that make the glyphs at the NPC merchant can go for 100 gold per rune easy. I can sell the Armor rune for double that because no one sells them. Set pieces are always good sells, you get higher prices if you have one that's in demand, and/or you are willing to be patient. )

KingRebz

Other (please only completely different suggestions)

MercutioElessar wrote: »

KingRebz wrote: »

a function to LEND items

Holy cow... How would you control a lending system?
Secondly but nevertheless important: This game plays in an age like the middle ages. Lending a sword?
"Hey, Sir Gawain would you please lend me your sword for this fight? You'll get it back after some decapitations eventually".

Big LOL

When you lend an item to a player it comes with a time limit. Once the time has reached the limit the item automatically returns to the owner.

I think youre the only person who would speak like that in an mmo. Thus youre the noob here. BIG BIG LOL.

Rune_Relic

Other (please only completely different suggestions)

Why would there be a need to lend though ?
It implies someone cant afford something or cant get access to something.

MornaBaine

No, I'd prefer Regional Markets

I think a lot of people either did not read or did not understand the Regional option. A global AH is boring and penalizes crafters and pretty much destroys trade guilds, neither of which I want to see happen. The current system certainly isn't helping them either. The more complex but potentially rewarding system of the Regional option would be a boon to crafters and trade guilds while also opening up more goods to buyers in a far more convenient format. I understand what ZoS was trying to do and that they were shooting for more immersion, something I am typically all in favor of. But in a game where you already have a TON of time sinks, while trying to get to the upper Vet levels, having to "shop" in such an inconvenient and time consuming fashion is not something most players really want to do and I don't blame them.