Sprinting also breaks it, not sure if that is by design or whether it's part of the problem.

Like mentioned before dark cloak (all versions imo) is broken because 1) any DoTs that are on a target (such as crippling grasp) will take you right out of stealth which is just a waste of a ton of mana and instead of saving you, it will be a hinderance. 2) Extremely hard to get away from anyone anyways because everything is currently AoE based right now and will take you out of cloak immediately (which makes our concealed weapon skill not as potent). The best way i have found to escape is double or even triple roll cloak and juke them hopefully gaining enough distance. Even doing that though it is still easy to lose cloak. 3) I also feel the cloak is not very long for its mana consumption, but I would rather have the first 2 issues solved.

I believe someone may have said something similar if so right on and I totally agree.

Okay so we tested this on the PTS (which is running version 1.1.1) with the following abilities:

DoTs in the Video

Swallow Soul
Agony (and Prolonged Suffering)
Crippling Grasp
Blood Craze
Venom Arrow
Force Pulse
Elemental Ring
and generic Fire/Frost damage over time from enchantments

All of these DoTs were tested both offensively (NB applying) and defensively (being applied to NB).

Conclusion

We found the only one that did not seem to be working as intended was Crippling Grasp. Currently, a NB cannot go into stealth if he has this active on an enemy target. So if player A applies Crippling grasp to Player B, player A will not be able to use Dark Cloak while that DoT is active.

For each other ability, if it was applied to the NB, Dark Cloak would remove the DoT and the NB would not be pulled out of stealth before the full duration of Dark Cloak had ended. If the NB applied the DoT offensively, they would likewise not be pulled out of stealth even though the DoT would remain active on the target.

Non-DoT's Tested

Since people had reported some other abilities also pulling them out of stealth (non-dots) we also tested:

Back Lash
Reapers Mark
Daedric Curse
Invasion

Conclusion

If a NB is targeted with Invasion, and pops Dark Cloak, the invisibility will break target and the shield charge (Invasion) will not land (this takes timing though). Reapers Mark and Back Lash both stay active on a Night Blade who uses Dark Cloak, but the effects cannot be seen by enemy players while the NB is invisible (which makes sense since these are not DoTs.) Daedric Curse, although its not exactly a DoT, does get removed by Dark Cloak.

DoTs Tested Which Will Not Appear in the Video

I believe everything I mentioned above was recorded. However, we were testing this for a while and more things popped into our heads after I'd stopped recording. So these abilities (plus maybe one or two of the above ones if I made a mistake) do not appear on video, but were tested.

Entropy

And I think that might be the only one we didn't get on film....I'll edit this later if I remember something else.

DoTs We Didn't Test

Searing Strike (and its morphs)
Fiery Breath (and its morphs)

Summing Up

So as far as I can tell this is working mostly as intended on 1.1.1 with the exception of Crippling Grasp, which obviously seems to be a bug since no other DoTs work that way.

Dark Cloak will remove up to 4 damage over time effects (at rank 4) when you enter stealth. This seems to work with each DoT. You will not be pulled out of stealth with these DoTs active.

Dark Cloak also works even if you're the one applying the dot. You can hit someone with Blood Craze, then use Dark Cloak. You will not get pulled from stealth and your DoT will stay active.

Other abilities also do not break Dark Cloak (Curse, Invasion, ect.).

However, any form of ground based AoE like Lightning Splash, Elemental Blockade, Inferno, or Ash Cload will bull you out of stealth if you stand in its area of effect (tested all of those, but don't have all on film.)


So maybe ZOS fixed this? I don't know. I'm not sure why our testing differs so much from people's reports unless ZOS has already worked on this. Remember that this testing was done on 1.1.1 and not the current Live patch. Can you tell us if this has been fixed @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ ?

joshisanonymous wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

Well any sort of damage will pull you out. I'm pretty sure that's by design.

If that's the case, this seems like a huge design flaw, and it's also the reason why I was surprised that @ZOS_JessicaFolsom only mentioned DoTs. In PvP, any damage breaking stealth essentially means that we only have ranged in combat stealth. Even a completely incompetent player will probably still swing their basic attack randomly enough to ruin any attempt at stealthing while in melee combat. I guess it works if you stun the person then stealth, but then you hardly need to be invisible in the first place.

But if damage didn't pull you out of stealth it might be a bit over powered, no? As a NB you can be PERMANENTLY invisible right now if you re-cast every 2.4 secs or so.

Maybe they could think about adding some sort of damage threshold (like 150pts) or making certain types of damage not pull you out?

Next Patch ? NO !!!!!!!! REroll this Bull*S*hit NB class

Next patch is Zeni talk for I'll call you. NB has been known to be broken since release. One of the lead developers even said he was playing a NB. My guess is that he switched to a DK when he found out how useless it was compared to other classes.

Next patch. We're looking into it. Promises. Promises. Promises.

In Aion they have this ability for assassins that last for 5 mins in advanced mode and didnt matter what you had on you. They could attack and kill you in under 3 sec. and POOF back into invis mode for the next attack/kill. Hated them severely!!!

NordJitsu wrote: »

@tsvetan.dimitrov76cub18_ESO‌

Refreshing Path isn't a dot though. Its a ground based AoE.

Same as Wall of Elements, ect.

DoTs that you apply to a target won't pull you out.

Ok, you're right but the fact remains that the skill actually makes it impossible to stealth when the s*it hits the fan. I was trying to use it mostly as a hot but most of the time it got me killed. I still think it's a bad design to have a skill in the tree that not only doesn't synergize with the other skills but actually prevents their use.

I'm not sure if this is a bug or not but when you try to use dark cloak with the minimum amount of magic (I think its around 300-400 magic for the skill) it will not work unless you have a minimum of 600-700 magic
(To be clear this is with low magic)

Lickyo wrote: »

I'm not sure if this is a bug or not but when you try to use dark cloak with the minimum amount of magic (I think its around 300-400 magic for the skill) it will not work unless you have a minimum of 600-700 magic
(To be clear this is with low magic)

This is a Bug for sure. Seems that its only happening to me after I consumed food to push my Magicka and its not taking the extra Magicka into account. Havent tested it with my "raw" Magicka

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Dark Cloak is on our radar, and one of the Nightblade abilities we're working on fixing. Any additional details you all can provide would be helpful. We understand what the issues are from your posts, but we could use your help tracking down which DoT abilities are not being removed when Dark Cloak is activated (it does not seem to be a global issue.)

1. You need to make it so mage light doesn't counter dark cloak. As it stands now, mage light can totally negate dark cloak when they're close enough. One global skill shouldn't be able to totally counter a class defining ability. I agree that mage light should increase stealth detection, but dark cloak needs to be classified as something unique, not stealth.

2. Dark cloak needs an unerring, unbreakable, undetectable component for a period of time upon activation. Ie: If the ability lasts 2.5 seconds, the first 1 to 1.5 seconds should render the NB totally undetectable. This was a valuable addition to WOW's vanish mechanic for rogues, and it solved a lot of issues with being instantly knocked out of an important ability.

They already spoke to much about patch 1.2, that pretty much just include night blades. Wait for fek sake!

We just got a HUGE patch. Biggest I've ever seen in any game. Even close to a damn expantion!

Stop complaining. Give your feedback and as you have seen, the listen! And maybe one of you numbnuts comes up with a good idea that Zenimax says....hey, lets do that!

Example: General forums
Example: Shield bash and chocking talons in Pvp. I can not say for sure, but I think it was because of US who complained about it here, that they take a look and fixed it.

There are more patching coming. Havn't Zenimax shown they work their butts off to fix/enhance/balance the game for us?

Give them time. Oh and Night blades, in a few weeks, you are gonna be joined by half the game who wants to be night blades.

Thank you Zenimax for this outstanding patch!

But if damage didn't pull you out of stealth it might be a bit over powered, no? As a NB you can be PERMANENTLY invisible right now if you re-cast every 2.4 secs or so.

You never will be able to be permanently invisible because you run out of magicka pretty soon. Plus you cant sprint while cloaked so its pretty easy to find and AOE you when your last position is known. So yes, it should not be broke by any damage or healing taken. Dont exactly know if Mages Light detects you when cloaked but if it would be a good, easy to learn and logic counter to Shadow Cloak in its different forms. If not it should

Cogo wrote: »

They already spoke to much about patch 1.2, that pretty much just include night blades. Wait for fek sake!

All I heard about 1.2 is they will be looking into the Nightblade class and applying some fixes, specifically what the fixes are no one knows. In regards to waiting I have been playing since early access, it has been two months and the NB community has been asking ZOS for fixes for those two months. Yes they fixed the forums, yes they nerfed vampires and yes they seem to have nerfed DK's Talon ability in this patch, but they have still not done anything to fix the numerous issues with NB's abilities and passives.

In regards to wait for fek sake? We have been waiting 2 months at this point, sure lets wait another 4-8 weeks for our class to be somewhat on par with the other 3 classes.

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

I suspect those tests were in a controlled environment? When it gets hectic and when you need it most is when I find it fails. And also.. randomly. I suspect lag is the huge issue and it always be with a skill like this. I've hit it well before on "my screen" being charged then been bashed out of it.

Yup.

Controlled test with willing participants. Small scale. Only about 3-5 of us at a time.

I saw somewhere ZOS said the NB bugs were occurring in large scale hectic fights, so my test can't tell you anything about that.