Is "teabagging" [still] considered Trolling and/or Toxic?

SilverBride · July 23

Number_51 wrote: »

I'm definitely not in favor of changing a core game mechanic in an attempt to stop it though.

I don't want them to remove the mechanic of crouching. I just want them to change the animation to something that can't be used to simulate a lewd act.

They could make the crouch much less pronounced, and/or make the player semi transparent for example. But the mechanic of crouching is to sneak, and that can be done in other ways.

valenwood_vegan · July 23

Instead of removing any features from the game that can be used to irritate other players, they should make pvp like kindergarten recess, and only allow folks to play when there is a chaperone available to monitor for bad behavior.

SilverBride · July 23

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

Instead of removing any features from the game that can be used to irritate other players, they should make pvp like kindergarten recess, and only allow folks to play when there is a chaperone available to monitor for bad behavior.

Or players can stop using an animation that has a lewd definition and has been a source of conflict for a very long time. But since that hasn't happened, and the reporting system is next to impossible to complete some of the multiple steps, the next logical step would be to change the animation that is used to simulate the irritating behavior.

Vulkunne · July 23

DominicanaDi wrote: »

Recently, I reported some players who were taking turns and positioning themselves on top of my toon's and proceeded to repeatedly crouch on my character's body or what is commonly known as teabag. After ESO reviewed the video evidence, they determined that their behavior was not considered a violation of their Code of Conduct. As a response, I have been asking if "teabags" is not considered toxic anymore; more specifically, if this is *now* allowed, but no one has responded yet.

I think it should be because of the intention behind it. It's a personal smear and is something that serves to mock someone's character. It's not a nice thing to do and people who do it aren't nice themselves. However. It is something that not too many decent players will do and so if someone does this it's not going to happen that often and who's to say they're not just having fun, caught up in the heat of the moment, that sort of thing.

Should they make it bannable and go after their account, well. I don't blame people for not going along with this and it really just needs to stop. This is another reason I don't PvP as much anymore and I don't associate with anyone who treats other people like this. Not a friend of mine.

It's also something that shows a lack of maturity and so rather than grow up, you have those who will abuse something that is otherwise meaningless. So, it's not the action, it's the person and it's something that could get patched, but it would be an expensive fix, but people you can't fix and so they'd just move on to something else.

tomofhyrule · July 23

SilverBride wrote: »

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

Instead of removing any features from the game that can be used to irritate other players, they should make pvp like kindergarten recess, and only allow folks to play when there is a chaperone available to monitor for bad behavior.

Or players can stop using an animation that has a lewd definition and has been a source of conflict for a very long time. But since that hasn't happened, and the reporting system is next to impossible to complete some of the multiple steps, the next logical step would be to change the animation that is used to simulate the irritating behavior.

At which point offenders would immediately swap to spamming the /crouch emote. Or /kneel. Or any of those.

Should we then get rid of all emotes? After all, I’m sure that legitimate RPers could find other ways to play… like leaving ESO for something else.

Defatank · July 23

JavaRen · July 23

"It's not sexual, it's just gloating." Lol, okay.

SilverBride · July 23

Would players rather keep it as it is now, where players performing the action can be banned over using it?

Or find a reasonable solution and put this conflict to rest?

allochthons · July 23

Desiato wrote: »

allochthons wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

Teabagging is not against the rules. Harassment is. Continuing any form of taunting after a player requests it can be interpreted as harassment and therefore can result in action by the service provider.

There is no way in Cyrodiil to request the offending player stop the activity. At least on console. Not that I've found. So where does that leave the policy?

Does console not have in-game mail?

Oh. Of course. Okay, that's legit.

Brings us back to the people who have their victims on ignore/block, and those named |I|I|II||II|II, and requires us to make a screenshot to get their name, but that is a fair point.

Erickson9610 · July 23

SilverBride wrote: »

Would players rather keep it as it is now, where players performing the action can be banned over using it?

Or find a reasonable solution and put this conflict to rest?

ZOS doesn't have to take initiative. Players are responsible for reporting bad behavior. And changing an animation that's been there for years with a genuine use case outside of this scenario will lead to uproar.

ZOS_CouchTato · July 23

Hello all,

We have our latest stance on this topic from @ZOS_Kevin here. Since there hasn't been a change in this stance, we are going to close the thread to avoid any confusion.

SilverBride · July 23

Erickson9610 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Would players rather keep it as it is now, where players performing the action can be banned over using it?

Or find a reasonable solution and put this conflict to rest?

ZOS doesn't have to take initiative. Players are responsible for reporting bad behavior. And changing an animation that's been there for years with a genuine use case outside of this scenario will lead to uproar.

The easy they want it reported is not even possible for some of the steps. And there is already an ongoing uproar over this.