Rich Lambert's stance on perfected master and maelstrom weapons

LuxLunae · May 2020

ROFL RICH LAMBERT IS RIGHT AND I AM WITH HIM 100% ON THE vMA stance...

Come on now...the perfected one only gives you spell damage....

Cut your losses and take the hit... lol ....

I am still running around pvp and pve with hundings rage and ophidian...

I am too lazy to min max...whoever kills me kills me... who ever out dps me...

EDIT: WAIT !!! SOMEOBDY HAS TOLD ME THAT THESE ALLEGED BUFFS WERE ALREADY ON THE SETS BEFORE??? THEN REMOVED AND REPACKAGED AS PERFECTED???

Sorry Rich, you don't got my support if that's the case...

Kaliki · May 2020

Milli_Rabbit wrote: »

The reality is that if you want BiS and want to min/max you are going to grind for it. That is the nature of MAXIMUM POWER. Wanting to min/max while also not wanting to grind for it is just a poor way of thinking that will leave you disappointed in most games. If you don't want to min/max, then why do you care? Play the game for what makes it fun and don't worry about grinds you don't want to do. Those are really the only two realistic outlooks. Anything else is just causing yourself undue burden.

I am not complaining about the grind but because I have already done the grind.

The problem is that I would have to repeat exactly the same grind to earn back the vetetan reward that I already had.

MartiniDaniels · May 2020

Raudgrani wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

I am trying to get a list of points for both argument side, without silly arguments like the bonus stat that the weapons had before they could carry an enchantment.

For not upgrading:
* New weapons should be farmed a new
* Initiative to run old content
* It is zos's choice
For upgrading:
* Not upgrading devalues the time vets spent on their current weapons
* The new reward is actually nMA drops, and not the perfected that will drop in vet
* Forcing perfectionists run the content in its current bugged state is wrong

Did I convey both sides right?

I heard only one reasonable comment for not upgrading (from Moonsorrow) - to make veterans to run vDSA again, because otherwise newbies simply have nobody to run with, especially PVP ones which don't have good PVE toons

And I'll completely remove and forget argument about normal MA drops - it immediately triggers some players to start song about toxic elitists, which can de-rail any discussion if such discussion will happen in ZOS. I mean fact that maelstrom weapons will now drop is normal - it is good change, it is not linked with non-upgrading existing weapons in any way and it's better not to be mentioned at all.

I'm originally a PVP'er, but because of the state of the game, I am on a leave from PVP and do PVE instead. Already prior to this, I have been helping PVP'ers out getting Master Weapons. But it's not like I stood in Mournhold and announced I'm helping people get VDSA weapons - I helped friends, and I might do it again. I wouldn't help PVP'ers who are too lazy to learn PVE (which is OFTEN the case!) just for the sake of it, but because it benefits me if group members have better gear.

ZOS "forces" at least Stamina PVE'ers to grind PVP content for abilities, without any consideration. Why would they show some kind of courtesy to "new players" by forcing us to re-grind VDSA weapons? Nobody helped us when we got them.

Ratzkifal wrote: »

I think the worst thing about this is that someone had to leak a private discord conversation for us to learn about the opinion of ZOS' important people.

Why can't we just have a normal discussion with the Devs? It could go something like this:
GinaBruno posts a sticky to the forum with topics they want feedback on.

There are threads for each topic being made where feedback and arguments are collected

after time has passed the feedback gets condensed and properly written down by one person and the first reply of the thread gets edited so everyone can see the points that have already been made

then ZOS goes and looks at the forum thread's first replies and gives a quick statement on each of the points before going back to work

the forum then responds to the response by stating their counter arguments in the same fashion. This repeats until...

In the best case an agreement can be found that makes both sides happy which is then implemented. In the worst case it is exposed the two sides of the argument follow different mutually exclusive paradigms, in which case ZOS goes with what their own views tell them is right, since they are the ones making the game, but at least that way it is easier to understand for the community what the developers actually think and vice versa.

We have class reps. Why aren't they being made use of? They could be the moderators in this and be the ones gathering the feedback. A lot of them are also very qualified for this task already, seeing how a lot of them are well-spoken and have good game knowledge that allows them to understand the issues at hand better.

Seems they ain't having a normal or abnormal discussion about this. All they give us is silence, since the "a 2018 car isn't a 2020 car, right?" comment.

Well, you know one thing is to go wreck some newbies on low MMR BG to grab vigor, horn and purge on new character (+ daily XP bonus + transmute) and it is another story to gather vDSA group at least several times and it worst MANY times to receive master's DW, bow, 2H, resto, inferno... I think even vDSA S&B can be good next patch...
Of course I just want to upgrade my weapons without doing anything, but I understand position of relatively new players. Because it is really hard to get into vDSA group if your toon doesn't have achievement about it's completion... I started playing in 2018 and I passed this stage. After I got achievement (and ton of CP) I may just join any occasional craglorn vdsa pug... but when I didn't had that achievement on tank&dps, nobody even bothered to hear that I read all mechanics, had couple normal runs to see how those mechanics looks etc, have achievements of harder content. Nobody cares and nobody wants to teach, everybody wants ready solution and fast run. So I eventually grouped up with some guildmates who never completed it and we dealt with it and since then it's no problem... but to get that first completion was a real issue.

Fjorynn · May 2020

Lambert's a hundred percent correct. Also, you barely have to farm today thanks to transmute. Stop crying, go and get the new stuff and deconstruct the old one. Stop pretending anyone owes you anything - they've already given you a chance to improve your gear, go take it instead of whining.

Haquor · May 2020

LuxLunae wrote: »

ROFL RICH LAMBERT IS RIGHT AND I AM WITH HIM 100% ON THE vMA stance...

Come on now...the perfected one only gives you spell damage....

Cut your losses and take the hit... lol ....

I am still running around pvp and pve with hundings rage and ophidian...

I am too lazy to min max...whoever kills me kills me... who ever out dps me...

EDIT: WAIT !!! SOMEOBDY HAS TOLD ME THAT THESE ALLEGED BUFFS WERE ALREADY ON THE SETS BEFORE??? THEN REMOVED AND REPACKAGED AS PERFECTED???

Sorry Rich, you don't got my support if that's the case...

You really just shoot from the hip dont you bud?!

This slashlame guy im discord.... what a complete piece of...work he came across as.

Ban me at this point idgaf.

Raudgrani · May 2020

LuxLunae wrote: »

ROFL RICH LAMBERT IS RIGHT AND I AM WITH HIM 100% ON THE vMA stance...

Come on now...the perfected one only gives you spell damage....

Cut your losses and take the hit... lol ....

I am still running around pvp and pve with hundings rage and ophidian...

I am too lazy to min max...whoever kills me kills me... who ever out dps me...

EDIT: WAIT !!! SOMEOBDY HAS TOLD ME THAT THESE ALLEGED BUFFS WERE ALREADY ON THE SETS BEFORE??? THEN REMOVED AND REPACKAGED AS PERFECTED???

Sorry Rich, you don't got my support if that's the case...

Congrats, now even you can have Maelstrom weapons!

John_Falstaff · May 2020

Fjorynn wrote: »

Lambert's a hundred percent correct. Also, you barely have to farm today thanks to transmute. Stop crying, go and get the new stuff and deconstruct the old one. Stop pretending anyone owes you anything - they've already given you a chance to improve your gear, go take it instead of whining.

We pay for this game, so it's bloody right they owe us. We're paying customers, so if you want to take crap from your car seller who comes to your home and downgrades your already bought car, that's your choice, keep doing that, but don't tell what people with actual self-respect should do. Lambert's statement is nothing but 100% hypocrisy.

Raudgrani · May 2020

Fjorynn wrote: »

Lambert's a hundred percent correct. Also, you barely have to farm today thanks to transmute. Stop crying, go and get the new stuff and deconstruct the old one. Stop pretending anyone owes you anything - they've already given you a chance to improve your gear, go take it instead of whining.

If you had ever finished VMA, you would know it can take literally hundreds of runs to even GET a bow, a flame staff or whatever you are after. THAT is the nature of the problem. If I need, let's say, 3 bows, 2 flame staves - that doesn't mean I will have to do it five times. It's more like, after FIFTY runs to get one of either of these. It's not about having to transmute things, it's having them at all.

And stop having "enlightened opinions" on stuff that doesn't concern you. You like everyone else tossing these arguments around, never finished VMA or DSA, and I'm almost 100% sure of it.You don't know what you are talking about. It's not like farming a Bloodspawn helmet or whatever. There are so many possible drops, that you can run it like a 1000 times and not even have the weapon type you are after. It's that bad.

heaven13 · May 2020

FR0STDEE wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

FR0STDEE wrote: »

We truly live in an “entitled” generation.

Sorry for demanding a minimum level of quality and respect from a developer that I've given hundreds of dollars to in microtransactions. I pay ZOS for new content, not to repeat content from 5-6 years ago.

Then don’t repeat the content. You already have a perfectly good VMA weapon.

But I don't. As soon as U26 goes live, I will have a perfectly good nMA weapon. Despite completing the content on vet.

MLGProPlayer · May 2020

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Fjorynn wrote: »

Lambert's a hundred percent correct. Also, you barely have to farm today thanks to transmute. Stop crying, go and get the new stuff and deconstruct the old one. Stop pretending anyone owes you anything - they've already given you a chance to improve your gear, go take it instead of whining.

We pay for this game, so it's bloody right they owe us. We're paying customers, so if you want to take crap from your car seller who comes to your home and downgrades your already bought car, that's your choice, keep doing that, but don't tell what people with actual self-respect should do. Lambert's statement is nothing but 100% hypocrisy.

Imagine working for a consultancy or a law firm and talking to your clients like Rich is talking to the players here.

HankTwo · May 2020

A reminder to keep the discussion civil, people. Please refrain from direclty insulting or bashing anyone. Its amazing that ZOS has kept this thread open, lets try to keep it that way.

heaven13 · May 2020

Fjorynn wrote: »

Lambert's a hundred percent correct. Also, you barely have to farm today thanks to transmute. Stop crying, go and get the new stuff and deconstruct the old one. Stop pretending anyone owes you anything - they've already given you a chance to improve your gear, go take it instead of whining.

Lol are you telling people that we should be thanking ZoS for making us regrind for veteran rewards in the same content we already earned veteran rewards? LMFAO!

Thank you ZoS for devaluing the time I spent getting 5 maelstrom inferno staves, 2 lightning, and 8 bows and then "improving" the new vet rewards in such a way that there's such little incentive to even bother. 🙄

MartiniDaniels · May 2020

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Fjorynn wrote: »

Lambert's a hundred percent correct. Also, you barely have to farm today thanks to transmute. Stop crying, go and get the new stuff and deconstruct the old one. Stop pretending anyone owes you anything - they've already given you a chance to improve your gear, go take it instead of whining.

We pay for this game, so it's bloody right they owe us. We're paying customers, so if you want to take crap from your car seller who comes to your home and downgrades your already bought car, that's your choice, keep doing that, but don't tell what people with actual self-respect should do. Lambert's statement is nothing but 100% hypocrisy.

Imagine working for a consultancy or law firm and talking to your clients like Rich is talking to the players here.

Tbh, I'm shocked at Bethesda/Zenimax. Not only this issue, but overall their attitude to customers in last 3 years. In companies I worked management will be replaced pretty fast if there were such problems with marketing, product quality and sales. And any person who will be rude/mocking with customer and it will become public knowledge... that person will be just fired within weeks... I guess problem is that Zenimax is some sort of friends&family company, and they just do what they can/want and not what most optimal from business point of view.

Daffen · May 2020

To the people not understanding why everyone is pissed that we need to refarm the sets is because: a new item has been released for normal maelstrom arena, veteran version of that item got buffed.

Theres two ways of seeing this change on. The first one is what players see, new item on normal mode, veteran item buffed.

Or the way zos sees this, new item released on vet maelstrom arena and normal version beeing available on normal mode.

The first one makes more sense because the item sets never changed where they are getting dropped from.

vestahls · May 2020

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Fjorynn wrote: »

Lambert's a hundred percent correct. Also, you barely have to farm today thanks to transmute. Stop crying, go and get the new stuff and deconstruct the old one. Stop pretending anyone owes you anything - they've already given you a chance to improve your gear, go take it instead of whining.

We pay for this game, so it's bloody right they owe us. We're paying customers, so if you want to take crap from your car seller who comes to your home and downgrades your already bought car, that's your choice, keep doing that, but don't tell what people with actual self-respect should do. Lambert's statement is nothing but 100% hypocrisy.

Imagine working for a consultancy or law firm and talking to your clients like Rich is talking to the players here.

Tbh, I'm shocked at Bethesda/Zenimax. Not only this issue, but overall their attitude to customers in last 3 years. In companies I worked management will be replaced pretty fast if there were such problems with marketing, product quality and sales. And any person who will be rude/mocking with customer and it will become public knowledge... that person will be just fired within weeks... I guess problem is that Zenimax is some sort of friends&family company, and they just do what they can/want and not what most optimal from business point of view.

It's also possible management is not informed on what actually goes on, because in this case the clients don't have a direct line to them.
At my job, managers have monthly meetings with the clients, and if we spoke to them with a tone like in the OP, we'd be out. To say nothing of the quality aspects of the product.

MartiniDaniels · May 2020

vestahls wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Fjorynn wrote: »

Lambert's a hundred percent correct. Also, you barely have to farm today thanks to transmute. Stop crying, go and get the new stuff and deconstruct the old one. Stop pretending anyone owes you anything - they've already given you a chance to improve your gear, go take it instead of whining.

We pay for this game, so it's bloody right they owe us. We're paying customers, so if you want to take crap from your car seller who comes to your home and downgrades your already bought car, that's your choice, keep doing that, but don't tell what people with actual self-respect should do. Lambert's statement is nothing but 100% hypocrisy.

Imagine working for a consultancy or law firm and talking to your clients like Rich is talking to the players here.

Tbh, I'm shocked at Bethesda/Zenimax. Not only this issue, but overall their attitude to customers in last 3 years. In companies I worked management will be replaced pretty fast if there were such problems with marketing, product quality and sales. And any person who will be rude/mocking with customer and it will become public knowledge... that person will be just fired within weeks... I guess problem is that Zenimax is some sort of friends&family company, and they just do what they can/want and not what most optimal from business point of view.

It's also possible management is not informed on what actually goes on, because in this case the clients don't have a direct line to them.
At my job, managers have monthly meetings with the clients, and if we spoke to them with a tone like in the OP, we'd be out. To say nothing of the quality aspects of the product.

So we need to write community letter to Todd?

"Dear Todd, ESO is wonderful game in terms of lore and gameplay, but performance is garbage since Elsweyr launch and became worse and worse with every update. Long term customer and ESO+ subscribers are leaving in packs. Please do something."

MLGProPlayer · May 2020

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

vestahls wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Fjorynn wrote: »

Lambert's a hundred percent correct. Also, you barely have to farm today thanks to transmute. Stop crying, go and get the new stuff and deconstruct the old one. Stop pretending anyone owes you anything - they've already given you a chance to improve your gear, go take it instead of whining.

We pay for this game, so it's bloody right they owe us. We're paying customers, so if you want to take crap from your car seller who comes to your home and downgrades your already bought car, that's your choice, keep doing that, but don't tell what people with actual self-respect should do. Lambert's statement is nothing but 100% hypocrisy.

Imagine working for a consultancy or law firm and talking to your clients like Rich is talking to the players here.

Tbh, I'm shocked at Bethesda/Zenimax. Not only this issue, but overall their attitude to customers in last 3 years. In companies I worked management will be replaced pretty fast if there were such problems with marketing, product quality and sales. And any person who will be rude/mocking with customer and it will become public knowledge... that person will be just fired within weeks... I guess problem is that Zenimax is some sort of friends&family company, and they just do what they can/want and not what most optimal from business point of view.

It's also possible management is not informed on what actually goes on, because in this case the clients don't have a direct line to them.
At my job, managers have monthly meetings with the clients, and if we spoke to them with a tone like in the OP, we'd be out. To say nothing of the quality aspects of the product.

So we need to write community letter to Todd?
"Dear Todd, ESO is wonderful game in terms of lore and gameplay, but performance is garbage since Elsweyr launch and became worse and worse with every update. Long term customer and ESO+ subscribers are leaving in packs. Please do something."

Todd is too busy working on a next next gen Skyrim remake. He doesn't have time for us.

Fjorynn · May 2020

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Fjorynn wrote: »

Lambert's a hundred percent correct. Also, you barely have to farm today thanks to transmute. Stop crying, go and get the new stuff and deconstruct the old one. Stop pretending anyone owes you anything - they've already given you a chance to improve your gear, go take it instead of whining.

We pay for this game, so it's bloody right they owe us. We're paying customers, so if you want to take crap from your car seller who comes to your home and downgrades your already bought car, that's your choice, keep doing that, but don't tell what people with actual self-respect should do. Lambert's statement is nothing but 100% hypocrisy.

Nobody's downgrading anything.

Raudgrani wrote: »

Fjorynn wrote: »

Lambert's a hundred percent correct. Also, you barely have to farm today thanks to transmute. Stop crying, go and get the new stuff and deconstruct the old one. Stop pretending anyone owes you anything - they've already given you a chance to improve your gear, go take it instead of whining.

If you had ever finished VMA, you would know it can take literally hundreds of runs to even GET a bow, a flame staff or whatever you are after. THAT is the nature of the problem. If I need, let's say, 3 bows, 2 flame staves - that doesn't mean I will have to do it five times. It's more like, after FIFTY runs to get one of either of these. It's not about having to transmute things, it's having them at all.

And stop having "enlightened opinions" on stuff that doesn't concern you. You like everyone else tossing these arguments around, never finished VMA or DSA, and I'm almost 100% sure of it.You don't know what you are talking about. It's not like farming a Bloodspawn helmet or whatever. There are so many possible drops, that you can run it like a 1000 times and not even have the weapon type you are after. It's that bad.

I've done vma tons of times, got no death on stamdk, magdk, stamden, magden, magblade, magplar, and magsorc. I score 550k~580k consistently, depending on the class. The problem might be with me as I enjoy doing vma. If you're PC EU feel free to msg me, I'll link you the achievements and perhaps give you tips too. The gear available in game right now are really pushing the power levels, making vma easier to do than ever before. I know the average player or players who don't really care for vma might not like running the content but vma isn't that hard.

It's a case of turning "not gaining" into "losing". Just because someone refuses to farm perfected weapons it doesn't mean they're losing what they already have. Also from what I've read maesltrom weapons are getting a baseline buff. So who's losing really?

Chilly-McFreeze · May 2020

Fjorynn wrote: »

It's a case of turning "not gaining" into "losing". Just because someone refuses to farm perfected weapons it doesn't mean they're losing what they already have. Also from what I've read maesltrom weapons are getting a baseline buff. So who's losing really?

Huh? Do you remember that they stripped 1p boni of maelstrom weapons in the past just to reintroduce them now on "new items"? So on the long term we're losing out very well.

ZOS_ConnorG · May 2020

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heaven13 · May 2020

Fjorynn wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Fjorynn wrote: »

Lambert's a hundred percent correct. Also, you barely have to farm today thanks to transmute. Stop crying, go and get the new stuff and deconstruct the old one. Stop pretending anyone owes you anything - they've already given you a chance to improve your gear, go take it instead of whining.

We pay for this game, so it's bloody right they owe us. We're paying customers, so if you want to take crap from your car seller who comes to your home and downgrades your already bought car, that's your choice, keep doing that, but don't tell what people with actual self-respect should do. Lambert's statement is nothing but 100% hypocrisy.

Nobody's downgrading anything.

Raudgrani wrote: »

Fjorynn wrote: »

Lambert's a hundred percent correct. Also, you barely have to farm today thanks to transmute. Stop crying, go and get the new stuff and deconstruct the old one. Stop pretending anyone owes you anything - they've already given you a chance to improve your gear, go take it instead of whining.

If you had ever finished VMA, you would know it can take literally hundreds of runs to even GET a bow, a flame staff or whatever you are after. THAT is the nature of the problem. If I need, let's say, 3 bows, 2 flame staves - that doesn't mean I will have to do it five times. It's more like, after FIFTY runs to get one of either of these. It's not about having to transmute things, it's having them at all.

And stop having "enlightened opinions" on stuff that doesn't concern you. You like everyone else tossing these arguments around, never finished VMA or DSA, and I'm almost 100% sure of it.You don't know what you are talking about. It's not like farming a Bloodspawn helmet or whatever. There are so many possible drops, that you can run it like a 1000 times and not even have the weapon type you are after. It's that bad.

I've done vma tons of times, got no death on stamdk, magdk, stamden, magden, magblade, magplar, and magsorc. I score 550k~580k consistently, depending on the class. The problem might be with me as I enjoy doing vma. If you're PC EU feel free to msg me, I'll link you the achievements and perhaps give you tips too. The gear available in game right now are really pushing the power levels, making vma easier to do than ever before. I know the average player or players who don't really care for vma might not like running the content but vma isn't that hard.

It's a case of turning "not gaining" into "losing". Just because someone refuses to farm perfected weapons it doesn't mean they're losing what they already have. Also from what I've read maesltrom weapons are getting a baseline buff. So who's losing really?

I actually like vMA too. But whether one enjoys the content or not is irrelevant. And vMA might not be hard for you or me, but it is for plenty of people.

Hard, easy, fun, awful...none of that matters. What matters is that players that completed the content on vet are entitled to the vet rewards. End of story.

ZeroXFF · May 2020

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Mindcr0w wrote: »

Hmmm. So if I have a "2018" item set, and in 2020 that item set gets nerfed, it won't automatically get updated to the "2020" version? I get to keep my 2018 version?

WTB 2016 Plague Doctor: https://web.archive.org/web/20161103191958/https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Plague+Doctor+Set

silvereyes · May 2020

Wait, now I'm confused. I thought us old folks were supposed to yell at the youngsters for playing the same violent video game content over and over. It'll rot their brains and turn them violent.

Now you're saying I'm supposed to be calling them entitled brats when they DON'T want to play the same violent video game content over and over?

I just can't keep up with all these newfangled trends. I must be getting too old for this ****.

MartiniDaniels · May 2020

Starlock wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

So we need to write community letter to Todd?

[Quoted post was removed]

That is interesting video, thanks for linking.
Well, it only proves that Zenimax exists within it's own close circle of owners/stakeholders and they don't have limitations which public companies have. Problem is that in their attempt to sell for higher money or went to IPO, they ended up like good guy, which decided he can be bad guy for more popularity, but eventually lost both his "good" reputation and didn't achieved what he wanted. Now they realize this mistakes and we can see, on examples of FO76 and Doom, that Bethesda started listening to community reaction... for ZOS this will be probably delayed, so we need to keep whining (better on external resources), maybe something will change.

luen79rwb17_ESO · May 2020

This is unbelievable. I am actually amazed by how Rich (and hence ZOS) has handled this situation and I honestly find it hard to believe. But facts are facts and words said always weight more than perceptions. I thought he was authentic when he talked about fans and player feedback in general.

Whether you like the weapon changes or not, the real issue here is how they are handling things. Dozens of feedback posted and sent through the game engine, and zero response. Ever since last year's Q3 update (sorry I forget all those cheesy names they put on them) it's been evident that silence is the official response.

But... You wanna know why something changed? Gossip is the key! Go talk to them, PM them, and see what you can get...

John_Falstaff · May 2020

Fjorynn wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Fjorynn wrote: »

Lambert's a hundred percent correct. Also, you barely have to farm today thanks to transmute. Stop crying, go and get the new stuff and deconstruct the old one. Stop pretending anyone owes you anything - they've already given you a chance to improve your gear, go take it instead of whining.

We pay for this game, so it's bloody right they owe us. We're paying customers, so if you want to take crap from your car seller who comes to your home and downgrades your already bought car, that's your choice, keep doing that, but don't tell what people with actual self-respect should do. Lambert's statement is nothing but 100% hypocrisy.

Nobody's downgrading anything.

So you haven't read PTS and don't know about Asylum staff changes. Figures.

Jeffrey530 · May 2020

housing and fashion the true endgame

ne.ga.kurai_ESO · May 2020

The ZOS apologists on here make me feel like I'm talking to [snip]

[Edited to remove Baiting/IRL Politics]

Ysbriel · May 2020

What baffles me is that some people who are defending Rich in this post is the same people i’ve seen in previous post talking about how they do not care for VMA and other arena contents... why are you here then?

anitajoneb17_ESO · May 2020

Fjorynn wrote: »

It's a case of turning "not gaining" into "losing". Just because someone refuses to farm perfected weapons it doesn't mean they're losing what they already have. Also from what I've read maesltrom weapons are getting a baseline buff. So who's losing really?

From what I understand, people lose BiS. And BiS is everything.
VMA weapons are BiS, BiS will be perfected VMA weapons starting tomorrow, people need BiS, whatever's not BiS is worth zero in their eyes, so they lose literally everything by losing BiS.

That's all there's to it, really. Plus, the image factor of wearing a non-perfected Maelstroem weapon, which will be available to all of us peasants from tomorrow on.

Some may feel like Rich says : want the newest fastest shiniest car ? Pay again.
But many may feel like their life savings have just melted into the void through a sudden 10000% inflation. The banknotes may still show 100$ face value, but they aren't worth a dime anymore.

I truly understand both points of view. But guess what ? Bottom line, I feel even happier to have dropped min-maxing and "competition" in this game, and to have stopped VMA progression at the third stage. I feel no frustration whatsoever.

(That being said, I am again horrified by the lack of respect people show in this thread towards ZOS employees - including Rich, who's done nothing wrong and nothing "unprofessional", and by the way so many of you pretend to know how to run a company like ZOS - while presenting evidence in every single of their sentences that they don't have a clue).