Unlimited Aetherial Dust

Caligamy_ESO · June 2017

laksikus wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

Alcest wrote: »

go check craglorn vendors and u will see the proofs...

Buy low, sell high?

exactly.
thats no proof at all

Meanwhile.. this is the main weapon the "No auction house" crowd uses in their forum wars.

SilverWF · June 2017

caperon wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

caperon wrote: »

Deflation is good for me. Be a survey exploit, be a dupe exploit, i benefit of the lower prices.

There wouldn't be daflation.

Ofc there is deflation when a big influx of materials get to the market. Its not only the exploiters sell at lower prices, people buying all and reselling are forced to sell at lower prices than the old legit listed products. And that big influx instantly fills all the demand, so naturally sells will slow down for a while, forcing the prices down. Thats general market dynamics. The only way prices are not affected is if the items are instantly removed of the market, as your solution says (I mostly agree with that solution).

Not
Just get back when it's started: bulk sales. 100 per 1 listing, even in halved price this is millions of gold to buy only 1 listing.
There is not too many players constantly scanning top markets with millions of gold in the backpack to buy it nearly instantly.
So most of that items are in hands of pretty several players.
Now they starting to sell it. Noone in his mind would throw all items to the market - there must be a time to everyone chilled and forget. It will be by a few, as it is now.
Then, that "lucky" guys would start to gain their 100% profits. They would have even more gold.
They would buy another items then: weapons, armors, another mats. Starting from lowest prices, then medium and up to highest. And resell it.
Also, more gold in the stash - less care to find actual lowest price.
Sure, there is constant process of farming gold, but it's slow. Today we got a hundreds millions of gold added to the system from nowhere. This is inevitable would raise a prices for everything.
Yes, A.Dust and Wax would lost in price, for a bit. All another valuable items - not and even raise in prices.

How many Dusts only has been sold today? Hundreds? Thousands?
How many bot and how many time they need to farm it? Hundred of bots for a year?
Hundred of bots, that stay invisible for a year?
Really?

Even if it's bots - this was unfair way to play and all of items they has been produced are unfair too and must be cleared.

Hammy01 · June 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Hammy01 wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

zeus1gdsm wrote: »

I wish ps4 server would have a price crash.. I can't afford to buy the mats I need to craft a full set of 160 gear.

I literally have to go and grind a gold farm to get cash so I can get Mats for all my crafts.

And it's not a "get good" situation. It's literally a time investment issue. Not enough time to invest.

And man would it be amazing if console could get a pricing add on to prevent inflated prices.

But it also means you can make gold much quicker than on PC due to the higher price of everything you can sell.

You should be able yo easily make 150-200k an hour farming mats on console (and then just buy the ones you need). Everything is relative.

I am no expert but just because we can make 3x to 5x more gold on the consoles does not make us better off because we also have to pay 3x to 5x more for stuff. I would think in the end it all evens out... After buying/selling and whatnot we should be closer to the same % of profit (dealing in percentages and not actual amounts)

I am currious though if an influx of mats this size would hurt the console or pc markets more (or maybe it would have the same effect/outcome).

It evens out in the open market. But you do have an advantage with gold sinks. Stuff like houses and bag upgrades are cheaper as you can raise the funds to buy them more quickly.

Ohhh damn you make a pretty good point!

MLGProPlayer · June 2017

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

In digging into this with our BI team, we found a few things but none of them point to an exploit. We did find some gold sellers involved, and have since permanently banned the accounts and are investigating other accounts for potential involvement.

Beyond that, we looked at how many Aetherial Dust players have obtained daily over the course of the past two months on each server and how they obtained it. There is a possible (statistical) maximum that players can obtain via normal methods and no one has exceeded that. Now, something we are seeing is a few people buying low, selling high, and essentially cornering the market. This is resulting in what looks like someone having far more of a rare item than they should, but when we dug into how they got the items, we’re not seeing anything abnormal that would suggest item duping or an exploit.

(Small edit to clarify the limit comment.)

I don't see how that's possible.

There were 324 dusts listed by just one user. That's likely more than all the dusts listed on PC NA servers combined. And they were listed at 70% below market value (meaning they are obviously not a legitimate reseller as no reseller is out to make a loss).

If it isn't an exploit, then that only leaves botting as the other logical culprit.

Let's assume that the drop rate of aetherial dust is 1 for every 10 hours of consecutive farming (I just made that rate up, it's probably lower than that). That would mean someone would need to farm for 3240 hours to gather 324 dusts. This is possible with a trove of bots over a period of a few weeks or months (depending how many bots are being used). Given the traditional difficulty in botting nodes though (almost all the bots we see on the market farm hides), this is probably a new type of bot.

Archilinza · June 2017

The middleman will not become cheaper to sell. + Commission

max_only · June 2017

Why would they sell these items at a loss if this was a legit reseller buying low and selling high? It seems like Zos is claiming the accounts bought out the cheap items and hoarded it until today. Okay... so then why did those accounts sell lower? Take a logical look at that data Zos. I believe you when you say you couldn't find anything but how does it make sense? For them to buy out all the items and then resell them for less in bulk?

kargen27 · June 2017

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

Alcest wrote: »

go check craglorn vendors and u will see the proofs...

Buy low, sell high?

exactly.
thats no proof at all

Meanwhile.. this is the main weapon the "No auction house" crowd uses in their forum wars.

Exactly because problems like this would be exponentially worse if they could manipulate the entire market from one location.

Qbiken · June 2017

max_only wrote: »

Why would they sell these items at a loss if this was a legit reseller buying low and selling high? It seems like Zos is claiming the accounts bought out the cheap items and hoarded it until today. Okay... so then why did those accounts sell lower? Take a logical look at that data Zos. I believe you when you say you couldn't find anything but how does it make sense? For them to buy out all the items and then resell them for less in bulk?

My theory is that someone involved had enough and snitched (or someone random found out how the exploit is made, and YES it´s an exploit wether you like it or not, you don´t get those amount of mats within short amount of time) and those exploiting it needed to "get rid of the evidense". TTM gets exposed lmao

Urkraft · June 2017

Qbiken wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Why would they sell these items at a loss if this was a legit reseller buying low and selling high? It seems like Zos is claiming the accounts bought out the cheap items and hoarded it until today. Okay... so then why did those accounts sell lower? Take a logical look at that data Zos. I believe you when you say you couldn't find anything but how does it make sense? For them to buy out all the items and then resell them for less in bulk?

My theory is that someone involved had enough and snitched (or someone random found out how the exploit is made, and YES it´s an exploit wether you like it or not, you don´t get those amount of mats within short amount of time) and those exploiting it needed to "get rid of the evidense". TTM gets exposed lmao

in this case i have to defend ttm. it wasnt ttm where it spread first,

Runs · June 2017

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

In digging into this with our BI team, we found a few things but none of them point to an exploit. We did find some gold sellers involved, and have since permanently banned the accounts and are investigating other accounts for potential involvement.

Beyond that, we looked at how many Aetherial Dust players have obtained daily over the course of the past two months on each server and how they obtained it. There is a possible (statistical) maximum that players can obtain via normal methods and no one has exceeded that. Now, something we are seeing is a few people buying low, selling high, and essentially cornering the market. This is resulting in what looks like someone having far more of a rare item than they should, but when we dug into how they got the items, we’re not seeing anything abnormal that would suggest item duping or an exploit.

(Small edit to clarify the limit comment.)

Radio Edit

This reeks of sweeping something under the rug.

Urkraft · June 2017

he allready explained to you, there was no ticket number, because the contact went deeper than just a stupid ticket number. jessica didnt know about this. all fine now?

ZOS_GregoryV · June 2017

Greetings all,

After extensive review, and removing 2 pages worth of baiting, flaming, naming and shaming, bashing, and unnecessary insults, we have decided to re-open this thread for the time being as this is under investigation as mentioned by @ZOS_JessicaFolsom.

However, if this thread can not remain civil, and that does include keeping your personal debates between each other civil, then this thread will be closed and members who proceed with violating the previously listed rules will be receiving an action against their account.

Thank you for your understanding!

Zagnut123Zagnut123 · July 2017

Jamascus wrote: »

I got some Aetherial Dust from a homeless guy behind my local 7/11. It wasn't an unlimited supply though.

First one is always free

helediron · July 2017

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom , you shouldn't look those resellers buying low, selling high, but dusts that were on sale exceptionally low price between 45k..55k in large quantities. E.g. one in ticket 170630-001496 .

KingYogi415 · July 2017

Clearly devs leave stuff like this in game to exploit on personal accounts.

Being able to solo Vmaw hard mode since day one? I mean comon gold worm jewelry was going for 500k each.

Some1 could have easily farmed hundreds of millions of gold in a few months...

Sheey · July 2017

Sometimes you have to point things out when there hidden around the corner.

ITS TIME TO WAKE UP. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_GregoryV

When other members spit on Terms of Service, then I don't give a ***. I made over 20 threads adressing all of these issues that keep remain live servers. DO something.

Its depressing, continously slowly moving progresses, not ending major issues, not getting adressed at all.

FIX BOTS
FIX LAGS
FIX CRASHES
FIX FPS
FIX BG QUEUES

This ^ is the very bottom.

REMOVE STAMINA - PROC SETS (Yes Remove because you can't make it equal)
FIX CLASS IMBALANCES
FIX SKILL IMBALANCES

MAKE UNUSED SKILLS GREAT.
- Trepping Webs
- Blood Altar
- Invasion (magica morph)
- Chains
- Mage rune
-...

SET PRIORITIES !

makreth · July 2017

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Prive wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom those permabans do not make a single difference.
Those same people will still have access to their funds, to their mats and to everything else they need to continue their gold selling activities.

They operate trough "dead" trading guilds, so they always have access to everything. I personally handed you guys 2 guilds, with 350 botting/gold selling accounts and those people are still active in game. With old accounts AND new accounts.

I gave up on trading, because of exactly these issues. There's simply no point.

You guys will most likely just ignore this message again and continue breaking your game even further. Wether it's battlegrounds, bugs, exploits, botting, gold selling, broken trials or the grouping tool.. You guys simply don't care or are not competent enough to fix the mess.

Sorry for this rant, I know you don't care, but at least it's said once more..

Send me the ticket number you got when you sent in the report? I'll follow up. Sometimes it can be difficult to see the full impact of what our Support team does since they don't publicly disclose disciplinary actions or the results of investigations.

It's possible that all those bots farming in auridon/bankgorai (can only speak for EU) have something to do with it. Since they farm non-stop in circles non-stop.

Qbiken · July 2017

Urkraft wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Why would they sell these items at a loss if this was a legit reseller buying low and selling high? It seems like Zos is claiming the accounts bought out the cheap items and hoarded it until today. Okay... so then why did those accounts sell lower? Take a logical look at that data Zos. I believe you when you say you couldn't find anything but how does it make sense? For them to buy out all the items and then resell them for less in bulk?

My theory is that someone involved had enough and snitched (or someone random found out how the exploit is made, and YES it´s an exploit wether you like it or not, you don´t get those amount of mats within short amount of time) and those exploiting it needed to "get rid of the evidense". TTM gets exposed lmao

in this case i have to defend ttm. it wasnt ttm where it spread first,

Doesn´t matter if TTM was firs or not. I´m almost certain that a whole bunch of players in TTM knew about this but decided to stay silent, since it was beneficial for them to have these exploiters selling for them (to afford the bidding in Craglorn)

If you don´t report exploits that you´re aware of then you´re no better than the ones using them.

Krayzie · July 2017

I found a way... except I can't ever go into detail

Urkraft · July 2017

Qbiken wrote: »

Urkraft wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Why would they sell these items at a loss if this was a legit reseller buying low and selling high? It seems like Zos is claiming the accounts bought out the cheap items and hoarded it until today. Okay... so then why did those accounts sell lower? Take a logical look at that data Zos. I believe you when you say you couldn't find anything but how does it make sense? For them to buy out all the items and then resell them for less in bulk?

My theory is that someone involved had enough and snitched (or someone random found out how the exploit is made, and YES it´s an exploit wether you like it or not, you don´t get those amount of mats within short amount of time) and those exploiting it needed to "get rid of the evidense". TTM gets exposed lmao

in this case i have to defend ttm. it wasnt ttm where it spread first,

Doesn´t matter if TTM was firs or not. I´m almost certain that a whole bunch of players in TTM knew about this but decided to stay silent, since it was beneficial for them to have these exploiters selling for them (to afford the bidding in Craglorn)

If you don´t report exploits that you´re aware of then you´re no better than the ones using them.

Nope. Thats just assumptions. If you read in my signature, you should be at least clear, I am not defending, because I'd be a big fan or friend of TTM - but I at least know, that the people, putting that mats first onto market were russian goldsellers - and as far as i could see, I could at least dont see a connection to TTM. What I saw in the logs was only a lot of people, especially some powersellers also from TTM grabbing that stuff as it usually goes, when cheap goods are there. Also I dont know wether what happened is usuefull for a guild which is a core guild of myth. ambrosia selling to risk a price decrease of one its best sellers.

(to afford the bidding in Craglorn)

And this reasoning is totally nonsense.

Turelus · July 2017

Krayzie wrote: »

I found a way... except I can't ever go into detail

@Krayzie if you have a legit exploit which can be done regarding this, PM it to Gina and Jessica and they will pass it on.

However you're going to have to have something which works and can be reproduced or at least enough information for them to investigate and find the issue, if it's just speculation it won't help anyone as it will waste time chasing phantoms if wrong.

My last exploit report I sent to four devs via a PM (Gina, Jessica, Rich and Wrobel) and pinged Gina on Twitter to tell her she had a mail in her inbox (I don't like to pester the devs on Twitter too much though) and they got to it pretty fast.

They will follow up on things if they're reported in private and enough information is given.

If you do PM them and want me to prod them to check their inbox on Wednesday specifically for you mail then PM after you have done theirs and I will pass a message on to check their inbox for that date / time.

chess1ukb16_ESO · July 2017

[quote Doesn´t matter if TTM was firs or not. I´m almost certain that a whole bunch of players in TTM knew about this but decided to stay silent, since it was beneficial for them to have these exploiters selling for them (to afford the bidding in Craglorn)

If you don´t report exploits that you´re aware of then you´re no better than the ones using them.[/quote]

I do not see any evidence to support your remarks singling out a specific guild.

As far as i know I was the first person to report there could be an issue through the reporting tool and then discussed it with Trade GM's across our established networks to verify it was a wider problem. I notified my membership there could be an issue with seemingly super cheap materials and be careful not to get burned with a 'too good to be true deal' soon after and then this post was made.

It was honestly detected and verified as a wider problem quickly and ZoS were on it swiftly too with the help of Urkaft albeit I am not entirely satisfied with their answers as it defies logic.

TLDR - Was swiftly detected and reported through a variety of channels quickly.

Urkraft · July 2017

The main people to blame are ZOS. Those accounts weren't unknown as goldsellers and have been reported weeks and months before. Still ZOS ignores those reports and doesnt react or does investigate in any ways. It could have been prevented, if they just read the report mails and investigated. A huge amount of those illegimite materials might then have been destroyed before it came onto the market.

KingMagaw · July 2017

Turelus wrote: »

They will follow up on things if they're reported in private and enough information is given

Even when evidence is presented to them, most recently the AP exploit which was spelled out to them, was late fixed and the exploiters kept the motifs and such they bought with a temp suspension.

Basically doing Z0$ work for them, while paying them and it is made to feel a privilege when they investigate something.

Numbers are getting lower, closing campaigns, another duping scam would hurt ESO too far, ofc they going to deny this.

Turelus · July 2017

KingMagaw wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

They will follow up on things if they're reported in private and enough information is given

Even when evidence is presented to them, most recently the AP exploit which was spelled out to them, was late fixed and the exploiters kept the motifs and such they bought with a temp suspension.

Basically doing Z0$ work for them, while paying them and it is made to feel a privilege when they investigate something.

Numbers are getting lower, closing campaigns, another duping scam would hurt ESO too far, ofc they going to deny this.

The problem is, even when ZOS do something and tell everyone what the actual cause/issue is (like seems to have happened here) people refuse to believe them and make up their own crazy theories any way.

I know full well how the AP thing went down as I was the one throwing it in their face and giving them the information, I also gave them feedback afterwards where they dropped the ball.

This thread shows they're doing better because we had a reply and investigation within 24 hours of the thread going live.

As I said previously if people have actual evidence post it in a PM to Gina/Jessica and if you're worried it won't be seen send them a polite tweet or PM a community ambassador and we will poke them.

forgottengd · July 2017

Turelus wrote: »

As I said previously if people have actual evidence post it in a PM to Gina/Jessica

and like I'm said before (I don't know why moderator deleted my post, maybe he thinks he is very important for this game and for community - so - NO) - I SENT MANY TICKETS BEFORE (with screenshots/video proofs)! no answers. no actions.
ZOS did nothing.
And I'm done with tickets and helping ZOS. We trying to help this game to be better and even pay money for it - no response.
You are all so clever here. talking about things you even don't know (atleast - don't understand).
I'm done for helping know.
You can delete my post like you did before. Do it, it will solve your problem

Turelus · July 2017

forgottengd wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

As I said previously if people have actual evidence post it in a PM to Gina/Jessica

and like I'm said before (I don't know why moderator deleted my post, maybe he thinks he is very important for this game and for community - so - NO) - I SENT MANY TICKETS BEFORE (with screenshots/video proofs)! no answers. no actions.
ZOS did nothing.
And I'm done with tickets and helping ZOS. We trying to help this game to be better and even pay money for it - no response.
You are all so clever here. talking about things you even don't know (atleast - don't understand).
I'm done for helping know.
You can delete my post like you did before. Do it, it will solve your problem

So you're are stating that you actual clear video evidence on how to exploit the game in order to gain more Aetherial Dust than intended?
If you do then I am pretty sure ZOS would want to do something with that. If you really do have that then PM it to the devs and they will take action.

However if you don't have actual information on how to exploit the game and are just speculating on data you've seen via market sales etc. then they may not be able to do much with that.

forgottengd · July 2017

Turelus wrote: »

So you're are stating that you actual clear video evidence on how to exploit the game in order to gain more Aetherial Dust than intended?
If you do then I am pretty sure ZOS would want to do something with that. If you really do have that then PM it to the devs and they will take action.

However if you don't have actual information on how to exploit the game and are just speculating on data you've seen via market sales etc. then they may not be able to do much with that.

Do you understand there are much more exploits in game, not only dusts from this thread? ohhhhhh....I wanted to say much more, but it will be bashing, naming, etc. Something that you don't like here (critics). Bye.

Urkraft · July 2017

Turelus wrote: »

forgottengd wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

As I said previously if people have actual evidence post it in a PM to Gina/Jessica

and like I'm said before (I don't know why moderator deleted my post, maybe he thinks he is very important for this game and for community - so - NO) - I SENT MANY TICKETS BEFORE (with screenshots/video proofs)! no answers. no actions.
ZOS did nothing.
And I'm done with tickets and helping ZOS. We trying to help this game to be better and even pay money for it - no response.
You are all so clever here. talking about things you even don't know (atleast - don't understand).
I'm done for helping know.
You can delete my post like you did before. Do it, it will solve your problem

So you're are stating that you actual clear video evidence on how to exploit the game in order to gain more Aetherial Dust than intended?
If you do then I am pretty sure ZOS would want to do something with that. If you really do have that then PM it to the devs and they will take action.

However if you don't have actual information on how to exploit the game and are just speculating on data you've seen via market sales etc. then they may not be able to do much with that.

he is talking about the bots- and goldsellerreports. as prive did, as i did. its an issue. a serious one.

Turelus · July 2017

Urkraft wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

forgottengd wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

As I said previously if people have actual evidence post it in a PM to Gina/Jessica

and like I'm said before (I don't know why moderator deleted my post, maybe he thinks he is very important for this game and for community - so - NO) - I SENT MANY TICKETS BEFORE (with screenshots/video proofs)! no answers. no actions.
ZOS did nothing.
And I'm done with tickets and helping ZOS. We trying to help this game to be better and even pay money for it - no response.
You are all so clever here. talking about things you even don't know (atleast - don't understand).
I'm done for helping know.
You can delete my post like you did before. Do it, it will solve your problem

So you're are stating that you actual clear video evidence on how to exploit the game in order to gain more Aetherial Dust than intended?
If you do then I am pretty sure ZOS would want to do something with that. If you really do have that then PM it to the devs and they will take action.

However if you don't have actual information on how to exploit the game and are just speculating on data you've seen via market sales etc. then they may not be able to do much with that.

he is talking about the bots- and goldsellerreports. as prive did, as i did. its an issue. a serious one.

Agreed and one I have based ZOS around the head for in many threads.

Botting and gold selling isn't an easy counter though. I would like ZOS to streamline their tools however, we should be able to literally push button, report bot. That fast, then that mail go right to their team that deals with it, no middleman.

If someone abuses it they get their own account suspended, as in every other MMO that has a speed system.