Natch Potes! (sneak peek for next week)

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · September 2016

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

That's nonsense, any Tank with decent HP will lack the Stamina and Weapon damage to get good heals off of Stamina heals, I know from experience becasue I've had to repeatedly spec for less HP and more Stamina on my DK in order to get decent heals, it's balanced for Stam DK's to have a decent DB because the less HP you have the less DB heals you for so you can't get the strongest heals off of both at the same time.

i have 28k health and my vigor hits for almost 5k on myself fully buffed, this is because i have 25% in blessed, it is not that hard to do. i have 29k stam and just a gold 160 axe too, no other weapon damage.

That's not a whole lot of HP at all, decent for a DPS but downright low for a Tank and I'm talking about Tanks here, and your healing is nothing conpared to what it would be with more stamina and weapon danage like a glass cannon would have.

I am a PvE tank bro. more health than that is a waste. PvP tanking is much different. Trust me, I have a fully geared stamblade with 40k stam and 4k weapon damage and her vigors are still smaller or around the same. Meanwhile my tank can kick out a warhorn every forty seconds and self heal with vigor like that. AND I have the master sword that heals me for 5k buffed everytime I taunt. I almost don't need a healer. In fact on my tank I do the burn strat just fine on vDSA.

Lucius_Aelius · September 2016

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

That's nonsense, any Tank with decent HP will lack the Stamina and Weapon damage to get good heals off of Stamina heals, I know from experience becasue I've had to repeatedly spec for less HP and more Stamina on my DK in order to get decent heals, it's balanced for Stam DK's to have a decent DB because the less HP you have the less DB heals you for so you can't get the strongest heals off of both at the same time.

i have 28k health and my vigor hits for almost 5k on myself fully buffed, this is because i have 25% in blessed, it is not that hard to do. i have 29k stam and just a gold 160 axe too, no other weapon damage.

That's not a whole lot of HP at all, decent for a DPS but downright low for a Tank and I'm talking about Tanks here, and your healing is nothing conpared to what it would be with more stamina and weapon danage like a glass cannon would have.

I am a PvE tank bro. more health than that is a waste. PvP tanking is much different. Trust me, I have a fully geared stamblade with 40k stam and 4k weapon damage and her vigors are still smaller or around the same. Meanwhile my tank can kick out a warhorn every forty seconds and self heal with vigor like that. AND I have the master sword that heals me for 5k buffed everytime I taunt. I almost don't need a healer. In fact on my tank I do the burn strat just fine on vDSA.

You're talking about PvE, I'm talking about PvP in everything I've said, I thought that was clear by now. Of course the two are completely different things, but especially in PvE Coagulating Blood is amazing and perfect for any kind of Tank in any content. Not needed as much when you have other heals but definitely great to use.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · September 2016

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

That's nonsense, any Tank with decent HP will lack the Stamina and Weapon damage to get good heals off of Stamina heals, I know from experience becasue I've had to repeatedly spec for less HP and more Stamina on my DK in order to get decent heals, it's balanced for Stam DK's to have a decent DB because the less HP you have the less DB heals you for so you can't get the strongest heals off of both at the same time.

i have 28k health and my vigor hits for almost 5k on myself fully buffed, this is because i have 25% in blessed, it is not that hard to do. i have 29k stam and just a gold 160 axe too, no other weapon damage.

That's not a whole lot of HP at all, decent for a DPS but downright low for a Tank and I'm talking about Tanks here, and your healing is nothing conpared to what it would be with more stamina and weapon danage like a glass cannon would have.

I am a PvE tank bro. more health than that is a waste. PvP tanking is much different. Trust me, I have a fully geared stamblade with 40k stam and 4k weapon damage and her vigors are still smaller or around the same. Meanwhile my tank can kick out a warhorn every forty seconds and self heal with vigor like that. AND I have the master sword that heals me for 5k buffed everytime I taunt. I almost don't need a healer. In fact on my tank I do the burn strat just fine on vDSA.

You're talking about PvE, I'm talking about PvP in everything I've said, I thought that was clear by now. Of course the two are completely different things, but especially in PvE Coagulating Blood is amazing and perfect for any kind of Tank in any content. Not needed as much when you have other heals but definitely great to use.

Having gone back and reread your posts, you certainly did. So with PvE build I would still have almost 35k health in PvP. I still wouldn't use dragons blood. Yes 8% more vigor is great but when you need to have that slot for something else, still doesn't seem worth it. I will stop commenting on this though and bow to your superior PvP knowledge. I really mean that.

Lucius_Aelius · September 2016

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

That's nonsense, any Tank with decent HP will lack the Stamina and Weapon damage to get good heals off of Stamina heals, I know from experience becasue I've had to repeatedly spec for less HP and more Stamina on my DK in order to get decent heals, it's balanced for Stam DK's to have a decent DB because the less HP you have the less DB heals you for so you can't get the strongest heals off of both at the same time.

i have 28k health and my vigor hits for almost 5k on myself fully buffed, this is because i have 25% in blessed, it is not that hard to do. i have 29k stam and just a gold 160 axe too, no other weapon damage.

That's not a whole lot of HP at all, decent for a DPS but downright low for a Tank and I'm talking about Tanks here, and your healing is nothing conpared to what it would be with more stamina and weapon danage like a glass cannon would have.

I am a PvE tank bro. more health than that is a waste. PvP tanking is much different. Trust me, I have a fully geared stamblade with 40k stam and 4k weapon damage and her vigors are still smaller or around the same. Meanwhile my tank can kick out a warhorn every forty seconds and self heal with vigor like that. AND I have the master sword that heals me for 5k buffed everytime I taunt. I almost don't need a healer. In fact on my tank I do the burn strat just fine on vDSA.

You're talking about PvE, I'm talking about PvP in everything I've said, I thought that was clear by now. Of course the two are completely different things, but especially in PvE Coagulating Blood is amazing and perfect for any kind of Tank in any content. Not needed as much when you have other heals but definitely great to use.

Having gone back and reread your posts, you certainly did. So with PvE build I would still have almost 35k health in PvP. I still wouldn't use dragons blood. Yes 8% more vigor is great but when you need to have that slot for something else, still doesn't seem worth it. I will stop commenting on this though and bow to your superior PvP knowledge. I really mean that.

It's not about DB being needed it's about it being potentially useful on a lot of builds including my own, my only problem was someone saying I was making a mistake by using it when it works very well for me. Different builds need different skills and mine benefits a lot from Coagulating Blood, that's all I've been trying to say.

Talyena · September 2016

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Trool rep on walls.

Do not change the way it is. It is the only way to regulate the ttc (time to cap) If you change it so that peeps cant troll rep, even a defended keep will go down in less than 5 min.

Not if it's well defended, anyone that needs to troll repair to hold onto a keep doesn't deserve to win.

Any siege that can't overcome a troll repair doesn't deserve to win.

Lucius_Aelius · September 2016

Talyena wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Trool rep on walls.

Do not change the way it is. It is the only way to regulate the ttc (time to cap) If you change it so that peeps cant troll rep, even a defended keep will go down in less than 5 min.

Not if it's well defended, anyone that needs to troll repair to hold onto a keep doesn't deserve to win.

Any siege that can't overcome a troll repair doesn't deserve to win.

When reinforcements are inbound every second counts, even if it just delays a group by 30 seconds that can make all the difference between getting the wall up before the reinforcements ride through the breach you made or not and getting wiped before you can mount a proper defense. Troll repairing has no place in this game and it never did, defend the keep if you want to hold onto it or die if you can't, that's how it should always have been.

geonsocal · September 2016

Wow...so this where the true nerds of the forum hang out...there's some serious next level geek stuff going on down in here...it kinda feels like high school when i first discovered the computer lab back in '80 - at the time the popular "game" was this lunar landing sim, it used to spit out a bunch of numbers on paper from this plotter thing...

as you may have guessed from my brilliant summation of the game - i did a lot more watching than playing

cheers ya'll...

Lumbermill_Emperor · September 2016

@ZOS_RichLambert
please look at this list!

1) cp160 mobs in cyrodiil still provide exp like they are cp140, intended or bug?
2) mobs in delves around Tamriel provide same cp140 exp like mobs in Cyro, intended or bug?
CP300 template character with exp scroll - overland regular mob - 2380-2484 exp, Cyrodiil overland+delve/Tamriel delve regular mob - 1780-2100 exp
3) all overland sets in Wrothgar still bound, intended or bug?
4) old IC sets for Tel-Var like Black Rose, Shieldbreaker and others, should come with all parts, but they didnt on PTS, intended or bug?
I spent a few million tel var on the black rose and random reward boxes. No weapons, jewelry, shields, or sturdy.
5) what about Coldharbour, there is no Dark Anchors, so the only way to get jewerly from overland sets - treasure maps?
6) 3-part rare sets from dungeons will be removed completely? example what im talking about - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/289617/3-part-sets-from-dungeons-will-be-removed
7) BOP change to current sets we have in our pockets will be retroactive? because right now its not, players who have old sets on their characters still have them BOE, when character copy was done
8) Dragonstar Arena loot drop becomes BoP? (not specified in patch notes, and i cant test this solo)
10) Para Bellum is also missing from the Maelstrom Arena line. Does it still drop there?
11) Nightshade is listed as dropping in Cyrodiil, even though the set had been renamed to Night Terror and moved to Stormhaven.
12) Syrabane and Wilderqueen are swapped?
13) how we can get gold jewerly of overland sets? The price for gold ring "Silk of the Sun" - 1+ million of gold on live servers because of this
14) i opened advanced chests in Imperial City Sewers, but didnt get any set pieces - intended or bug? same about Imperial City Districts
15) The Resistant CP on the PTS is granting greater values of Critical Resistance for each point invested than on live. is this intended? more info here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3352850/#Comment_3352850

Annra · September 2016

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Talyena wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Trool rep on walls.

Do not change the way it is. It is the only way to regulate the ttc (time to cap) If you change it so that peeps cant troll rep, even a defended keep will go down in less than 5 min.

Not if it's well defended, anyone that needs to troll repair to hold onto a keep doesn't deserve to win.

Any siege that can't overcome a troll repair doesn't deserve to win.

When reinforcements are inbound every second counts, even if it just delays a group by 30 seconds that can make all the difference between getting the wall up before the reinforcements ride through the breach you made or not and getting wiped before you can mount a proper defense. Troll repairing has no place in this game and it never did, defend the keep if you want to hold onto it or die if you can't, that's how it should always have been.

Troll repairing is not a real issue. Three siege weapons are enough to overcome it. Only three hits from a stone trebuchet and repairing is impossible. Only players who want to take over castles solo are upset about troll repairing. But remember, this is a mass PvP game. If you want to take over a keep in less than 5 Minutes without any defense, it is no longer PvP. It's PvE.

Lucius_Aelius · September 2016

Annra wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Talyena wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Trool rep on walls.

Do not change the way it is. It is the only way to regulate the ttc (time to cap) If you change it so that peeps cant troll rep, even a defended keep will go down in less than 5 min.

Not if it's well defended, anyone that needs to troll repair to hold onto a keep doesn't deserve to win.

Any siege that can't overcome a troll repair doesn't deserve to win.

When reinforcements are inbound every second counts, even if it just delays a group by 30 seconds that can make all the difference between getting the wall up before the reinforcements ride through the breach you made or not and getting wiped before you can mount a proper defense. Troll repairing has no place in this game and it never did, defend the keep if you want to hold onto it or die if you can't, that's how it should always have been.

Troll repairing is not a real issue. Three siege weapons are enough to overcome it. Only three hits from a stone trebuchet and repairing is impossible. Only players who want to take over castles solo are upset about troll repairing. But remember, this is a mass PvP game. If you want to take over a keep in less than 5 Minutes without any defense, it is no longer PvP. It's PvE.

It's hardly gamebreaking or anything on that level but it was and is stupid and should absolutely be fixed no question, never should have been that way to begin with. You won't find any posts of mind complaining about this before this thread because I never saw it as an issue, but now that it's being fixed and they asked for feedback I'm giving it to them.

Lucius_Aelius · September 2016

geonsocal wrote: »

Wow...so this where the true nerds of the forum hang out...there's some serious next level geek stuff going on down in here...it kinda feels like high school when i first discovered the computer lab back in '80 - at the time the popular "game" was this lunar landing sim, it used to spit out a bunch of numbers on paper from this plotter thing...

as you may have guessed from my brilliant summation of the game - i did a lot more watching than playing

cheers ya'll...

Says the guy posting on a videogame forum... Gotta love it when people think they're so much better than everyone else but they're hanging out and talking about videogames on the internet just like the people they criticize, not hypocritical at all.

runagate · September 2016

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

Wow...so this where the true nerds of the forum hang out...there's some serious next level geek stuff going on down in here...it kinda feels like high school when i first discovered the computer lab back in '80 - at the time the popular "game" was this lunar landing sim, it used to spit out a bunch of numbers on paper from this plotter thing...

as you may have guessed from my brilliant summation of the game - i did a lot more watching than playing

cheers ya'll...

Says the guy posting on a videogame forum... Gotta love it when people think they're so much better than everyone else but they're hanging out and talking about videogames on the internet just like the people they criticize, not hypocritical at all.

Except it was obviously meant as a compliment, not an insult, and one that involved self-deprecating humor.

geonsocal · September 2016

runagate wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

Wow...so this where the true nerds of the forum hang out...there's some serious next level geek stuff going on down in here...it kinda feels like high school when i first discovered the computer lab back in '80 - at the time the popular "game" was this lunar landing sim, it used to spit out a bunch of numbers on paper from this plotter thing...

as you may have guessed from my brilliant summation of the game - i did a lot more watching than playing

cheers ya'll...

Says the guy posting on a videogame forum... Gotta love it when people think they're so much better than everyone else but they're hanging out and talking about videogames on the internet just like the people they criticize, not hypocritical at all.

Except it was obviously meant as a compliment, not an insult, and one that involved self-deprecating humor.

B-I-N-G-O, B-I-N-G-O, B-I-N-G-O, and bingo was his name O...

I'd imagine the geekiness found here would pale in comparison to my absolutely magnificent comic book collection...all hail hydra (actually - probably my favorite stories in the collection are my Elseworld titles - just had to re-buy my JSA - Liberty File books cuz I lent them out and never got them back...great, great story, also big fan of the "Ultimate" books from the early 2000's)...

I got nothing but love for ya all; and, I'm very happy to hear I won't have to keep sheathing my weapons when I'm out farming or fighting ...hey look, I actually did comprehend something from the patch notes

Mettaricana · September 2016

Hutch679 wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

Quick sneak peek at a few PTS natch potes for next week, with some commentary. The actual patch note is in bold.

Keep walls can no longer be repaired when between 95% and 100% health while under attack.
"Troll repairing" as some people affectionately call it has been removed. We will be watching feedback on this change closely.

Fixed an issue where your character’s movement speed was 10% slower when your weapons were unsheathed.
A little background on this one... the design with character movement has always been you should move faster with weapons sheathed. Back in update 9 we fixed a bug where that wasn't happening. We've decided to change the design and are removing the 10% run speed penalty for having your weapons unsheathed. Thanks for all the feedback on this and we'd definitely love for people to provide new feedback on this change after playing it on PTS.

Poison Injection (Poison Arrow morph): Fixed an issue where this morph’s bonus damage to low-health targets was applying to equipped Poisons and the Poisoned status effect.
This is the "Ravage Health Bug" that some PVP players have been running into. Thanks to Nafirian on Twitch for reporting it with such great repro steps.

Tri Focus: Reverted the bug fix that caused Shock Heavy Attacks to not splash damage to nearby enemies during the entire channeled attack. The tooltip of Tri Focus has been updated to reflect this change.
This one is similar to the movement speed issue. The original design was the splash damage would only hit on the last tick. We fixed a bug where this wasn't happening and after feedback and evaluation we decided to change the design and revert the fix.

Please tell me there is something in the works to improve dragon blood for dks.... please?

Plz yes I'd love this

Adamus · September 2016

Keep walls can no longer be repaired when between 95% and 100% health while under attack.
"Troll repairing" as some people affectionately call it has been removed. We will be watching feedback on this change closely.

Not a fan of this change. A group of 4 can easily break "Troll Repair" if they're organized. It's a tactic I don't like be done to me but not to a point where I want it removed.... I actually respect the other side for doing it... I know I would do the same. So we break it with an organized barrage and the assault continues. I understand the solo player community is very vocal but other then that wants the point of this?

thedude33 · December 2016

I don't understand what troll repairing is.

SpAEkus · December 2016

Sorry wrong Thread

[Deleted User] · December 2016

Hello everyone,

This post is to let you know that we've felt it necessary to put this thread down as it seemed to have died some time ago. At this time we'd like to try and keep Draugr threads from roaming around front page, pushing down newer and more lively threads.

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