It's a UI error as the patch notes state.
The actual XP you need is 1m.

Did you all not read the patch notes?

"Known Issue: Your progress bar will still show that 4,000,000XP is needed to gain a Veteran Rank. This is strictly a UI issue, and will be addressed in our next patch."

It's right there.

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Hey there @Epsilon_Echo,

The patch notes also address the UI issue:

[*] Known Issue: Your progress bar will still show that 4,000,000XP is needed to gain a Veteran Rank. This is strictly a UI issue, and will be addressed in our next patch.

You will reach your next veteran rank when you hit 1 million XP, or approximately 25% of the leveling bar.

1M is exactly 25% of 4M.

Epsilon_Echo wrote: »

Just completed a Dolmen in VR5 zone (I am VR4). Got 3000 exp.

I'd say there is still an XP problem as you should not need to close 334 dolmens in order to level up one veteran rank.

LonePirate wrote: »

Epsilon_Echo wrote: »

Just completed a Dolmen in VR5 zone (I am VR4). Got 3000 exp.

I'd say there is still an XP problem as you should not need to close 334 dolmens in order to level up one veteran rank.

This does bring up a couple questions however.....

@ZOS_GaryA is the dolmen xp a part of the lvl50 xp cap bug as well? Will this xp be adjusted along with VR quest xp in the next patch?

I don't know if this has been brought up but Wykkyd's Toolbar appears to be working correctly and showing the needed and earned xp amounts accurately.

It seems the intention is to do a variety of things to gain XP, not the same thing over and over. Yeah it might take X number of this or Y number of that to level up, but most players will be doing a variety of different things. Basically everything counts for XP, shouldn't take too long for it to add up.

After playing around a bit I can confirm that you do Level up once you hit 1m. Also, as ZOS said, quest exp is more normalized across quests.

IE: Fort Grimwatch quest line gave 7k exp for each phase totaling 14k. A similar quest gave 499 exp per phase yesterday. On the VP system I would have gotten a much larger reward in relation to my level cap on this (a primary quest). In exchange it seems trash quests have been boosted to compensate... I guess to make them less .. trashy? In any event exploration exp is still negligible.


So something has changed and its for the better. If we're better or worse off then when we had VR points remains to be seen.

I noticed when I completed the Dolmen I got no POI points, just exp from the adds/boss of the Dolmen. Could be as intended IDK.

Simply put I am no longer complaining since the implications of all this won't be clear until I've done a whole zone. Unlike before where it was plainly and clearly broken.

Progress is progress right?

Content in the last non-VR zones give significantly higher XP than similar content in VR zones at the moment. That seems more than a little strange.

The VR7 world boss Short-Tusk in Deshaan, killed solo at level, just rewarded me with 910 XP. It takes quite some time to kill it, it hits hard and is reasonably tough to solo, and it has around 20,000 HP. A regular VR7 kagouti roaming the area, having one tenth of the HP and being easily spam-killable in seconds, gave me 683 XP.

Soloing a dolmen at level in the same area (with great effort and lots of dying involved, I am a squishy NB) gave me a total of around 3,500 XP. I could just as well have killed five kagouti. That would have been much faster and involved absolutely no risk at all.

I would appreciate some official word on whether the developers think this is properly balanced and aptly rewarding. I think it's seriously messed up.

The funny thing about all this is that it started with Zeni saying the change was going to make leveling FASTER under XP than under VP. The implementation nerfed leveling to the ground such that many people who were keeping up stopped playing VR characters. Now adjustments that just get us back to the old "too slow" VR leveling pace are making people "happy".

The irony is something.

Epsilon_Echo wrote: »

After playing around a bit I can confirm that you do Level up once you hit 1m. Also, as ZOS said, quest exp is more normalized across quests.

IE: Fort Grimwatch quest line gave 7k exp for each phase totaling 14k. A similar quest gave 499 exp per phase yesterday. On the VP system I would have gotten a much larger reward in relation to my level cap on this (a primary quest). In exchange it seems trash quests have been boosted to compensate... I guess to make them less .. trashy?

At 7000XP per quest, you would need to complete 143 of them to reach your next VR level. Most zones average around 55-60 quests. Given how quests are the highest source of XP, I'd say there is still an XP problem in the game.

From all the reports I have seen, I think the best way to level VR ranks is to complete the Cadwell's Almanac quests, clear all six delves, clear the public dungeon's two quests and then grind out the remaining XP by killing generic mobs. You will gain all skill points and skyshards this way. Maybe throw in the two daily Undaunted pledges so you can grab that quest XP and the dungeon skill points as well.

LonePirate wrote: »

Epsilon_Echo wrote: »

After playing around a bit I can confirm that you do Level up once you hit 1m. Also, as ZOS said, quest exp is more normalized across quests.

IE: Fort Grimwatch quest line gave 7k exp for each phase totaling 14k. A similar quest gave 499 exp per phase yesterday. On the VP system I would have gotten a much larger reward in relation to my level cap on this (a primary quest). In exchange it seems trash quests have been boosted to compensate... I guess to make them less .. trashy?

At 7000XP per quest, you would need to complete 143 of them to reach your next VR level. Most zones average around 55-60 quests. Given how quests are the highest source of XP, I'd say there is still an XP problem in the game.

From all the reports I have seen, I think the best way to level VR ranks is to complete the Cadwell's Almanac quests, clear all six delves, clear the public dungeon's two quests and then grind out the remaining XP by killing generic mobs. You will gain all skill points and skyshards this way. Maybe throw in the two daily Undaunted pledges so you can grab that quest XP and the dungeon skill points as well.

You are correct on the approximate numbers of quests in each zone but there are only 5 to 6 main quests that give out two 7k xp amounts each and the others are standard and minor quests.

For the sake of argument let's say 6 main quests give you 15k each, 35 standard quests give you 750 xp each and 15 other quests give you 300 xp each. Doing a zones complete quest line will give you about 120,750k xp. (BTW these numbers are close to what I have been getting as a V8)

I can guarantee you that doing the delves/dungeons, dolmens, world bosses, treasure chests, exploring. etc. etc. is not going to get you 880,000k xp needed to level.

System is still borked to high heaven

I'm not sure where you are getting those numbers but when I kill a pack of three V8 mobs I'm getting anywhere from 200-300 xp. So using your math of 700 x 300= 210,000. 210,000/1,000,000 = 21%.

And that is using the highest xp possible which isn't reality and also assuming 20 groups of 3 mobs per quest and 60 quests per zone.

Put another way: Killing 60 mobs per quest, and doing 60 quests will give you 21% of a vet level at max.