norm_voshall wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ok, thanks all. We'll relay that info and let you know what we find.

At least in my experience in VR9 content mobs are back at lower hp lvls, ~2.8k (down from ~4.1k), but, are still hitting extremely hard, roughly 400-1000+ dmg per hit. Mobs also seem to be spamming "Quick Strike" for ~400 dmg roughly every half a second.

Exp is around 250 on VR9 mobs.

I have also noticed this the time delay between special attacks seems to be a lot shorter than usual. It's kind of hard to block those uppercuts when you have two mobs chaining them.

Fruity_Ninja wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ok guys, here's what ended up happening with this:

Currently, all monsters that were still alive when the hotfix was applied last night still have their old stats. However, once they die and respawn, they will revert to their pre-patch 1.1.2 state. We understand that this is still causing them to be difficult until they are killed, but this was the fastest way we could fix the issue without rebooting the entire server and causing downtime.

Sorry for the confusion, but hope this helps clear up what's going on.

It's not the case. Take a toon through the veteran levels yourself and you'll see what everyone is talking about.

Even when they die and respawn.

I propose they use a DPS templar with biting jabs to test the content, and see how that goes for them. Then maybe we could kill 2 birds with 1 hot fix.

Mortosk wrote: »

Fruity_Ninja wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ok guys, here's what ended up happening with this:

Currently, all monsters that were still alive when the hotfix was applied last night still have their old stats. However, once they die and respawn, they will revert to their pre-patch 1.1.2 state. We understand that this is still causing them to be difficult until they are killed, but this was the fastest way we could fix the issue without rebooting the entire server and causing downtime.

Sorry for the confusion, but hope this helps clear up what's going on.

It's not the case. Take a toon through the veteran levels yourself and you'll see what everyone is talking about.

Even when they die and respawn.

I propose they use a DPS templar with biting jabs to test the content, and see how that goes for them. Then maybe we could kill 2 birds with 1 hot fix.

they don't have to, i can say in open content with biting jabs , explosive charge ,immovable breath of life and force siphoning im getting wrecked and extremely pissed off in vr7 and vr4 on basic open world mobs and yet you allow calgorn aoe farming to boost players but dont take my word for it TEST IT, what a glorious screw up all i can say.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ok guys, here's what ended up happening with this:

Currently, all monsters that were still alive when the hotfix was applied last night still have their old stats. However, once they die and respawn, they will revert to their pre-patch 1.1.2 state. We understand that this is still causing them to be difficult until they are killed, but this was the fastest way we could fix the issue without rebooting the entire server and causing downtime.

Sorry for the confusion, but hope this helps clear up what's going on.

Gina, unfortunately, there are some misunderstanding anywhere...

Monsters that are respawning in dolmens have the buff (dps and health), they were not there and just respawned when the gate was activated. This is happening all over the VR zones and some dungeons. To resume: they are NOT back with their old stats.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ok, for those that aren't seeing a change in monster difficulty even after a death and respawn, could you let us know exactly which monsters it is so we can take a look on our end?

The crocodiles and many other creatures in VR3 Shadowfen absolutely tear me apart. I haven't yet played much or I'd have a more comprehensive list to offer.

I don't believe for a second that the VR mobs damage were nerfed in this hotfix. I have never died so much as I have since patch 1.2, and still from last night. I'm in VR8 zone with VR8 blue and purple gear.

To make matters worse, I'm a NB. So right now... I really cant't tell if the things going wrong are the broken NB abilities, or that the mobs are still truly jacked up. I'm sorry, I didn't read all 13 pages of this thread... I was also told by someone very knowledgeable that the XP gain of NPCs in VR went back to pre 1.2 as well.

I can appreciate how difficult it is to manage games of this magnitude... But seriously people? I beta tested this game for a long time. And when i saw the announcement of 4/4/14 release, i thought "No way are you guys ready for that release date." And here we are. Please, fix these things asap.

vyal wrote: »

Yes, when three of them all use AE's, knockbacks, and/or summon heal, it's all L2P, right? You're supposed to dodge roll constantly, block constantly, Impulse constantly, and use that Ultimate, potion, and food on every fight. Oh wait, you can't use Ultimate every fight, oh well, guess all these MMO players that have been playing MMO's since 1996 just don't know anything.

Let's ignore the fact nothing has changed, even though they said it's fixed, right Nitratas? It's not about THAT, it's about L2P.

Yeah. Sure.

Dude, don't get all angry. I DO know that trash packs of 3 are difficult, and were even before the patch since the beginning of the game.

Seeing the picture it's clear that was a single boss fight:
-monster is named
-there are only 2 hits done, if it was a pack of 2-3 monsters, the window should've been full of damage numbers and their cause.

Most the VR6 & 7 mobs I'm encountering are still way tougher to take down than they were before the patch. The hotfix seems to have made very little difference, if any at all really.

I just got nuked for 650 and then 1500 by a harvester from one of those mini-anchor-tear things in less than ONE second. I went from full health to dead instantly. I have over 2000 health and 1800 armour. It's like my armour wasn't even there...

How is this balanced exactly?

The only things that seem to hit with the same strength and die with the same number of hits as they should are wolves. Everything else seems overpowered now.

So, back to farming wolves I guess!

EDIT: Actually no the wolves are tougher too. I used to be able to reliably one-shot the grey ones from stealth. That doesn't happen anymore. But at least they're manageable.

And seriously, what's with the constant ability/spell/weapon swap lag now. Have to plan your moves like 3 or 4 seconds in advance and then hope they actually fire properly... and they usually do not.

ramasurinenpreub18_ESO wrote: »

It's like my armour wasn't even there...

ESO armour = Butter.

This is primarily an offensive game. Knock'em down fast or die. It seriously lacks effective defense.

I remember when Supreme Commander 2 came out. It had the same problems. No defense, until they fixed it.

In some ways Path of Exile also had this problem. Lightning fast health bar disintegration was common in Beta. Though I haven't played it since. Maybe they fixed it. Still a good game.

At VR6 difficulty is still random - I clearly see mobs that retain old broken stats, especially in packs of 3 (2 skeletons at 3.2K HP and 1 skeleton at 2.4K HP or whatever it is. Same damn skeletons that someone only managed to kill one of, lol).

I also noticed that Necromancer zombie summons are still insane. They can drop you in 1 second due to damage and toughness (I mean forget about killing the zombie, your only hope is killing the necromancer fast as *** but luckily a normal necromancer only have like 1.3K HP).

I have to say I do not have a lot of fun at the moment with the VR zones. I was using one hand and shield (bash) but thats not a very good DPS setup anymore. I dont want to complain about the nerf.

So I decided to go Two Handed which i'm now leveling but its very annoying to die from packs of two mobs all the time. I even died of a single mob once. I died about 6/7 times in the last 30 min. Or its me sucking or something is wrong.

Not sure what to do, but I do believe games have to be fun instead of plain annoying and frustrating.

Edit:
Some random and me just attacked a pack of two, he died and I barely survived. Working as intended ?

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

norm_voshall wrote: »

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ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ok guys, here's what ended up happening with this:

Currently, all monsters that were still alive when the hotfix was applied last night still have their old stats. However, once they die and respawn, they will revert to their pre-patch 1.1.2 state. We understand that this is still causing them to be difficult until they are killed, but this was the fastest way we could fix the issue without rebooting the entire server and causing downtime.

Sorry for the confusion, but hope this helps clear up what's going on.

Then why are monsters in instances still hitting like a truck? I'm going to wave the *** flag here. Gina, you need to tell your boss to just restart the server.

It's obvious that the exp is tied proportionately to mob stats in terms of strength (dmg, hp, resist, etc.) and the change was made to exp without considering the implications. Just revert it back until you fix the code. While the extra exp is nice, I'd rather have the game playable again.

Just to make sure we're clear, you're saying that monsters inside veteran dungeons are still entirely too difficult (compared to how they were prior to patch 1.1.2), even after they're killed and respawn?

I think the best thing we can do here is basically die. Take a screenshot of the death notice, post it with a brief description of where we were. Then maybe they can pinpoint this 'issue'

I find its hard to tell if its cause Nightblades suck, the difficulty is still set too high or some other change. But since the new update which I was strangely looking forward to trash mobs and the like are more difficult than they were.

They seem to drop me out of stealth a lot more frequently and even when I get a backstabbing attack off where as before this would do significant damage now I am getting them down to about half health or even less if they are a tank mob.

This has made for some tough fights which I don't believe are meant to be that tough by design. Cause at some point its no longer fun or a challenge but more like pulling teeth where the pay off is a green bit of gear or maybe as little as 6 gold.

Things do seem to be back to normal in Veteran Land for me. I hit VR6 before the Craglorn patch went live and started questing on Bleakrock Isle (or whatever the starter EP island is called). I quickly gave up once I realized a single normal monster could easily kill me and decided to vent out the frustration by playing on an alt.

I came back to my main after the patch went live, determined to reach VR10 and get some hawt Craglorn action, and all of a sudden, monsters were on steroids. I kept going despite this and the rollbacks I'd get in Stonefalls (what's better than struggling your way through a quest? Struggling your way through the same quest twice in a row! YEY!)

I logged on once the hotfix went live and monsters were indeed still on steroid but once I came back, several hours later, everything was back to normal. Mobs that were at 5k and 3.5k hp were now back to their regular 3.5k or so and 2.5k. They still hit like a truck, and I'm sure a truck would show more mercy than these skeletal archer ***, but that was already the case before the patch rolled in.

I don't think the mobs hit harder than they used to, they just... always hit that hard (DUN DUN DUN! Twist ending!)

I think I'm gonna take another break once I hit VR7, already starting to feel burned out o.x

I have played prior and after the hotfix in Stormhaven, and one monster in particular has hardly changed with the hotfix. Scamps prior to the hotfix hit my V8 character with softcapped spellresist for 800 with fiery wave (or a similar spellname), after the hotfix they still hit with that same spell for 750. That is 1/3rd of my character's health, and makes groups of 3 scamps very challenging. Overall I found questing in Stormhaven even after the hotfix very tedious, fighting mobs feels like a chore and is rather unfun, so I try to avoid as many fights as I can.