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Dear devs, we are not all tanks
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Thats so quaint - especially since the much of the time you get damaged even when successfully dodged outside the damage area - so all that happened is I wasted stamina.
No, its quaint trying to be stationary, especially as a non tank.
But good luck with your strategy.
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SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
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Thats so quaint - especially since the much of the time you get damaged even when successfully dodged outside the damage area - so all that happened is I wasted stamina.
No, its quaint trying to be stationary, especially as a non tank.
But good luck with your strategy.
Care to record a video of killing veteran Storm Atronach? Not at Dolmen - they are weaker there- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
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ArRashid✭✭✭✭You know what is roll dodge and block good for as stamina user? Just try to dodge one attack and you won't do any damage to the elite.
They don't cry because they can't solo world bosses. Some ordinary quest mobs are just as hard. ESPECIALLY harvesters (after 1.1.2 can't bash Black Winter casts anymore), Frost Atronachs (unless you have infinite stamina for roll dodges, if you get hit ONCE, you get a debuff so horrible you cannot escape anymore, also, they are CC-resistant), Storm Atronachs (CC-resistant, equaly deadly in melee and in range fights, Gargoyles (seriously, I hate flying, or any other CC-immune mobs) and a few others maybe (practically any caster elite with spells that can't be bashed - that are instant)
* also, Griffith's build is over a month old, since then has been even nerfed (Surprise attack anyways).. I've tried to copy it some time ago (as a last chance of resurrecting my useless NB), but it was even weaker than a healer build, and I died even more often in that than in my own build.. it just isn't suited for anything but single-target. You can't realistically kill a pack of VR mobs because they kill you first..Edited by ArRashid on June 15, 2014 3:04PM0 -
Bromburak✭✭✭✭✭Sorry but you cannot rule everything with magnum or draining shot or in general with CC in this game, its way to strong already ...
All you need as NB are your hots and speed.
With bow you can still kite but use funnel health and refreshing path.
With DW you run around them and spam spark and use funnel health and refereshing path.
Nothing easier than that, there is no point in being a CC monster only or a tank as long you combine your other skills properly.
Edited by Bromburak on June 15, 2014 3:52PM1 -
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✭I got news for you tanks are not tanks in eso. So we are in same boat. If your having problems in Vr content eso expects you will will wear a dress and use a stick. In tamriel heavy armor and sword and shield apparently are ornaments they bury you with.6 -
joshisanonymous✭✭✭✭✭I haven't done the quest you're talking about, so maybe there's some super secret crazy thing that happens that completely ruins strategies that have worked for me with every named mob I've come against, but I have some suggestions that are applicable to your bow+medium armor build.
The thing to remember is that you don't need to stop a mob from moving to properly kite them, particularly as a bow user. Just think about which skills augment your mobility, as opposed to what skills diminish the mobility of the mob.
I'd suggest using Debilitate (it won't slow them down, but you will still move faster), Magnum Shot (it won't knock them back, but you will still jump back), and Swallow Soul. For your resources, you either want to carry all 3 types of potions (or trifecta potions if you have access), or you want to slot Siphoning Attacks. Potions are augmented for you since you're a NB but if you're using Siphoning Attacks, you basically will never need any potions, except maybe health potions in case you make a mistake. I'd also suggest Veil of Blades for your ultimate, but you don't really need it if you're good at dodging.
And dodging is absolutely the key. Don't sprint. Don't use up all your stamina spamming Poison Arrow. Save your stamina as much as possible for dodging and Magnum Shot. Dodging will allow you to avoid all damage if you're quick about it and will also allow you to kite much better. Your bow passive means that you get a large speed boost when dodging, which is made even larger by the use of Debilitate. Dodging is also cheap because you're in full medium armor. Really, I don't think it's possible to stress too much the importance of dodging with this sort of build. I've noticed that very few players ever choose to dodge and instead rely purely on blocking. That's nice if you have really high armor and heals but you're obviously not built for that as a medium armor user with very few heals.
So, in a nutshell, always keep up Debilitate and Swallow Soul, use Magnum Shot if they get too close, dodge constantly, and keep Siphoning Attacks toggled on (or use potions very liberally).
Also, make sure to use the terrain to your advantage. If there's a big rock, drop your DoTs on the mob and run around the rock. Also, stay as far away as you can at all times, avoid the urge to get up close (as I see many bow/staff users do). You'll do much more damage from further back plus you won't have to worry about any of their short distance attacks (whoever was stressing how terrible 10 meters is, wha?? that's practically melee range and you're a bow user).
I've used this strategy to clear named mobs that spawn trash mobs that are higher VR than I am, even in narrow corridors. Hell, half the time you can literally dodge roll towards the chasing mobs, moving directly past them, without getting much more than scratched.
Hope some of this helps. I'm sure what I've said is more useful than almost all the other posts in this thread, which seem to consist of, "You're stupid for using bow," or, "It's impossible, give up," or, "Get better noob."Edited by joshisanonymous on June 15, 2014 4:32PM1 -
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✭✭I solo'd the Veteran Content included all Bosses, Dungeons and Group Dungeons as a melee Night Blade.
Just use your skills at the right time and get some movement
Since i get V12 i try Caster Night Blade and this work also very good.
The Veteran content isnt hard, its just not easy as the other content.
Example:
A boss starts an attack on your, so just activate Shadow Cloak before it hitting you.
Dont stand in front of the mobs, try to walk around and dont stand in the red areas.
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Mortosk✭✭✭✭I am not a tank, I am a Nightblade in medium armour with a bow, how exactly am I supposed to kill strong quest mobs that can 3 shot me when they are immune to interrupts, knock backs and stuns? I am unable to solo a VR4 quest with VR4 mobs even though I am VR8 because these Atronachs which drop the items I am supposed to collect are immune to everything.
Now I get that there is a strong push in this game to get people grouping up and working together but one can not always find people online and on the same quest at the same time. This isn't a group dungeon, this isn't a group quest so why the hell are there mobs essential to the quest that simply can not be soloed by certain builds??
It's ok, they can 3-shot templars in full heavy armor with a shield too. If you are a vampire, normal trash mobs can 1 shot you with fire too, no matter what your spell resist or armor might be.
Edited by Mortosk on June 15, 2014 5:51PM"Now I stand, the lion before the lambs and they do not fear. They can not fear." --Arthas Menethil (aka, The Lich King)0 -
murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »Bow is completely pointless and you should be ashamed for using it. You're a Nightblade, not a fancy-pants archer.
Yes, heaven forbid a player should play how he prefers - play the way others tell you to!4 -
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Did you ever seen Strom Atronachs?I solo'd the Veteran Content included all Bosses, Dungeons and Group Dungeons as a melee Night Blade.
Just use your skills at the right time and get some movement
Since i get V12 i try Caster Night Blade and this work also very good.
The Veteran content isnt hard, its just not easy as the other content.
Example:
A boss starts an attack on your, so just activate Shadow Cloak before it hitting you.
Dont stand in front of the mobs, try to walk around and dont stand in the red areas.
Or you are Dominion player, so they was non-vet for you?- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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Bromburak✭✭✭✭✭Whats this QQ about Storm atronacs? As already mentioned keep your hots and movement speed up as NB and spam spark as DW or keep on kiting as range.
Where is your problem with storm atronacs? Let me guess, they take to long and you have no patience and being frustrated that you can't kill them instantly. O M G!
Play flexible , you cannot CC every single mob in this game. Get over it.Edited by Bromburak on June 15, 2014 8:27PM1 -
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✭✭Whats this QQ about Storm atronacs? As already mentioned keep your hots and movement speed up as NB and spam spark as DW or keep on kiting as range.
Where is your problem with storm atronacs? Let me guess, they take to long and you have no patience and being frustrated that you can't kill them instantly. O M G!
Play flexible , you cannot CC every single mob in this game. Get over it.
Dominion player?0 -
Dan_Miathail✭✭✭OK there are a lot of people making some pretty big assumptions here but hey maybe that is my fault, maybe I just wasn't clear enough so let me try again.
I know how to kite, I do use HoTs and pots and even a defence buff in my rotation. I don't care if something take a bit of time to kill, I am not complaining that I can't just run it and smash everything all leet like, my point as some others here have got is that there are mobs like the storm atronachs on the quest I got stuck on at the time of writing this which these mechanics do not work for.
I will use the atronachs that I have been facing as an example, they are fast enough to catch up to me, I can not stun them, I can not slow them down, I can not just dodge/block as it there no point at which these things will stop attacking for me to attack back and as soon as my stamina is depleted I will still die anyway. I am not talking about their big moves with the nice red outline 3 shoting me, I am talking about their base attacks.
My point is that this game is marketed on the freedom of choice in how to play your character as such I should be able to take down a mob for a collection quest without being forced into a melee build or stacking 49 health in attributes along with health enchanted heavy armour.
Things like magnum shot are the survival mechanic for certain builds, that is their function, if this function is removed by making a strong mobs that hits like a truck immune to them it removes the ability for that build to do what ever it is they are trying to do. The HoTs on NB do not out heal damage of strong mobs and NB do not have shields or big heals to fall back on like some other classes so when mechanics like knock backs and slows are taken out of the equation it becomes very difficult even impossible for NB (and other) builds to survive.
Now this wouldn't be a problem if it was isolated to group content like dungeons and world bosses, people shouldn't be able to solo that stuff but it is a huge problem for quests that are supposed to be solo-able content.
P.S. if you have gone and soloed all this stuff and pawned everything and think we are all just QQing then all I can say is congratulations, you're a super awesome player and super clever and very special but sadly we can not all be as awesome as you."Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering" - Yoda4 -
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Man is this guy funny. The difficulty with SA is they are taking to long to kill just that? Really? LMAO. Kite the Storm Atronachs? LOLWhats this QQ about Storm atronacs? As already mentioned keep your hots and movement speed up as NB and spam spark as DW or keep on kiting as range.
Where is your problem with storm atronacs? Let me guess, they take to long and you have no patience and being frustrated that you can't kill them instantly. O M G!
Play flexible , you cannot CC every single mob in this game. Get over it.
I have 18 SA to go to get my Daedra Kill achievement as a NB Pact Player.They are the second hardest mob in the game after Gargoyles.Frost atronachs are easy in comparison and I can even take 2 VR10 at a time with my Siphoning based NB. A VR10 SA has 16K health can't be CCed and can't most certainly be kited from what I have seen they are very fast,they have ranged attacks and their melee attacks hit way farther that the animation shows. They also hit like a truck. I can kill them and by kill them I mean I manage to kill one in every third try if lucky.
My build for them is:
2H/5L.
2000M-2200 food
2200H-2500 food
1360S-1350
Capped Spell resist. 1450 Armor.
Twilight's,Willows sets all purples and some yellows.
First tab: Sword and shield. 46.5 spellcrit
Swallow Soul,Sap Essence,Defensive Posture-Absorb magicka,Inner Light,Siphoning attacks.
Second Tab Resto,52 Spell crit
Killer's Blade.Swallow soul,Debilitate,Inner Light,Siphoning attacks.
I clear the area and get my Veil of Blades ready. Get as far as possible and debilitate,swallow soul,normal attack with all the anim canceling combo stuff I can get. If lucky I can get about 1/3 of it's health of once he is in range by doing ~550dps. I immediately go S&B and drop VOB swallow soul melee anim cancel block and Defensive Posture.Staying in staff mode gets me killed immediately and running is futile once the SA is in range. If lucky I get to 25%. I change to staff and Killer's Blade spam and if I am lucky and the killer's blade decides to be responsive I get my VR10 SA kill.
Edited by PBpsy on June 15, 2014 10:13PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)1 -
Bromburak✭✭✭✭✭In before Aces are OP.
He prefers QQueens while keeping the Aces up his sleeves.
The melee damage of SA would not hit him when he would use spark as i have mentioned before. As well he doesn't notice out of sight kites while siphoning dots and hots tick.
Instead Mr. QQ prefers playing his own stubborn style with sword/shield because he likes to be stationary fodder and then complains about tanks or heavy armor in TESO. Ridiculous!
Sure some mobs hit like a truck, thats why you just don't stay on the f****** road and wait til it happens ... Common sense!
Edited by Bromburak on June 16, 2014 6:10AM2 -
Paladin_echo1✭✭✭OK there are a lot of people making some pretty big assumptions here but hey maybe that is my fault, maybe I just wasn't clear enough so let me try again.
I know how to kite, I do use HoTs and pots and even a defence buff in my rotation. I don't care if something take a bit of time to kill, I am not complaining that I can't just run it and smash everything all leet like, my point as some others here have got is that there are mobs like the storm atronachs on the quest I got stuck on at the time of writing this which these mechanics do not work for.
I will use the atronachs that I have been facing as an example, they are fast enough to catch up to me, I can not stun them, I can not slow them down, I can not just dodge/block as it there no point at which these things will stop attacking for me to attack back and as soon as my stamina is depleted I will still die anyway. I am not talking about their big moves with the nice red outline 3 shoting me, I am talking about their base attacks.
My point is that this game is marketed on the freedom of choice in how to play your character as such I should be able to take down a mob for a collection quest without being forced into a melee build or stacking 49 health in attributes along with health enchanted heavy armour.
Things like magnum shot are the survival mechanic for certain builds, that is their function, if this function is removed by making a strong mobs that hits like a truck immune to them it removes the ability for that build to do what ever it is they are trying to do. The HoTs on NB do not out heal damage of strong mobs and NB do not have shields or big heals to fall back on like some other classes so when mechanics like knock backs and slows are taken out of the equation it becomes very difficult even impossible for NB (and other) builds to survive.
Now this wouldn't be a problem if it was isolated to group content like dungeons and world bosses, people shouldn't be able to solo that stuff but it is a huge problem for quests that are supposed to be solo-able content.
P.S. if you have gone and soloed all this stuff and pawned everything and think we are all just QQing then all I can say is congratulations, you're a super awesome player and super clever and very special but sadly we can not all be as awesome as you.
The very last part explains a lot. Ask most V12s how they got to V12. It wasn't by doing what they say they were suppose to be doing. I just hope that the V12s that really say they were questing and whatnot did nothing but that in order to get to V12 instead of using things such as Mad Mortine from spindleclutch. If they tell you to go level and they didn't level the "proper" way, then they aren't very trustworthy.
Edited by Paladin_echo1 on June 16, 2014 6:36AM1 -
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If he's doing the quest I think he is from his "I need the drops" comment these are NOT bosses, they're trash mobs.Shaun98ca2 wrote: »Its true Veteran Rank is MEANT to be harder. So things such as world bosses require help more often than not.
And this is LEVELING content, just WHY should it be harder than previous LEVELING content?Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on June 16, 2014 7:04AM1 -
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✭That specific quest is really hard to solo tbh. Mostly it's due to the fact that Storm Atronachs are one of the hardest npc's in the game to fight. I did it at level (or close) but Reaper's March is my 40-45 zone since I'm AD. I'm also NB and it was a horrible pain to beat that mob, the others weren't hard. Of the most nerd rage inducing enemies to fight in ESO are:
Harvester
Storm Atronach
Brown Troll (the elite ones)
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Axer✭✭✭✭Yea sounds like your talking about the reapers march storm atronachs to the south?
Pretty much everyone in my guild has solo'd those. It's part of my recruitment test to get in,
Also we are EP, so that's our final zone, so the atronachs are VR10 and have 16k health and hit for about 1100 per swing. Guess for DC they are still somewhat tough, and probably fairly easy for AD.
I've had tons of players try. Many can't do, others can.
Even the classes it's most difficult to solo on, I've seen our members utterly wreck those - NBs. The few in my guild can take it down without much issue. It's ofcourse by far easiest on a DK, but every class/role can do it. Most of us do it in light armor, not really tanking it at all, instead just burning it down before it kills us.
The real solo challenge is the Pelda Tarn though, the storm atronach wold boss in Greenshade. Now that's fun.
Also this is NOT leveling content for us. Being the final zone and all.
Ebonheart are the true sons and daughters of tamriel, and for us, its' endgame content, so it makes sense.
Can't really expect the devs to make 15 zones all easy because each one is not "endgame" content in your mind. Just reroll on EP to experience the game as intended.Axer. Main tank and Leader of Crush it! (NA-EP highly skilled trials guild)0 -
ForTheRealm✭✭✭I am not a tank, I am a Nightblade in medium armour with a bow, how exactly am I supposed to kill strong quest mobs that can 3 shot me when they are immune to interrupts, knock backs and stuns? I am unable to solo a VR4 quest with VR4 mobs even though I am VR8 because these Atronachs which drop the items I am supposed to collect are immune to everything.
Now I get that there is a strong push in this game to get people grouping up and working together but one can not always find people online and on the same quest at the same time. This isn't a group dungeon, this isn't a group quest so why the hell are there mobs essential to the quest that simply can not be soloed by certain builds??
The best builds are around Light Armor/Staves and not Heavy/melee... so I would not refer to tanks in the context of your post.0 -
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Do not agree: they are pretty easy since you will learn to:Of the most nerd rage inducing enemies to fight in ESO are:
Harvester
* run around him, to avoid 'hands'-AOE
* break his lift-up control (not breakable for very rare harvesters, mostly bosses, i.e. one in the Vaults of Madness)
* use AOE at the healing spheres phase- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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Aces are absolutely OP they get 2 values set to them NO other card gets that. Well Jokers are wild but only kids play with jokers lol.0 -
First of All It is your character, Play the game the way you pay to play, tell all others to mess off. There is more than 1 way to skin a chicken, cant stand people who say a character has to be built a certain way or its worthless. and as Far as doing those mobs solo, THANK YOU WOW for ruining mmos. I would sugest trying to get a quest partner Way more fun requardless of your build or class or skills. Misery loves company 0
