Zxaxz wrote: »

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »

leave ER alone, they have done a great job for both Zeni and the Community and invested alot of UNPAID time in testing....

blame Zeni ....

ER made so much suggestions that would improve the game, but none/near to non was realised

Agreed; But, why do "Pet" guilds get access to the conversations and personal interactions and the Forums get ~Crickets~?

Instead of the Dev's/Managers coming here on their own time to work with the community, they work with their "Pet" guilds. When those Guilds who's (some/majority I would argue,) members use every exploit not fixed in their "Private" known circle and essentially get rewarded with, in this case of ESO;

Gold Item Dupes, Millions of Gold instantly, All the Rare drops, Purple recipes, rare motifs, (More here), Merchant sales bugs , first access to all new content: Their Dungeon runs / drops in easy mode {before the content is adjusted for the uninformed, slower levelers.} Sometimes they are made harder/easier. But, they have already run the content several times {With Dev's help, interaction, communication, w/e they wanna call it.} And as soon as the content is released they are the Top of the Game, instantly. ~Before the forum outrage which lead to the opening of the PTS to everyone~ And,yes I downloaded it, when they did.

I mean @Zenimax, How many of your Favorite Guild's, members & friends hit V12, in less than a few hours from the patch install? How many had completed the AA Trials in the First hour and posted times? Just, a couple examples. This gave them {The cheaters, and their personal friends}, all an upper hand in, New Gear, Gold, Drops for enchanting and in PvP for ~ a week?

I clearly remember in Cyrdiil Zone chat, the afternoon of the patch (PST); "How the *** are so many V12 Already !!!!!!????"

This is why I think people see it as unfair;

No Guilds are named or implied in my post, because there are several involved and this is not unusual in the MMO genre, not everyone / every guild takes advantage of these exploits, glitches, w/e and I am not accusing anyone or any guild directly or indirectly;

Just the flawed concept. IMO

Or maybe there was no advantage given but the reason guilds like these get the attention is because they are the first to recognize and report the bugs and exploits. They are known by the devs through these various encounters.
You can complain about pvp quest rewards and bat swarm all you want but in the end it's no ones fault but ZOS for releasing a broken game and If you failed to get it in while the getting was good you have no one to blame but yourself.

I can tell you from being on the PTS before launch that we complained about pretty much exactly the same things as everyone else. And we warned the developers of how the community was going to react if they left things the way they were. They didn't listen to us.

I can also tell you that they didn't talk to us on the PTS either. Mostly it was Gina or Jess who talked to us. Occasionally we got Kai Schober or Michael Servotte to pop in with a comment. Once in a while Paul Sage would post something. But we never had back and forth conversations with any of the developers that people seem to think happened on the PTS.

We complained, sometimes we whined a lot. In the end, ZOS did what they wanted.

The devs being very hush hush about what is going on with the game is nothing new.

For what it's worth, we did try to make the game better.

Cogo wrote: »

What the heck is going on here?

People are discussing the issue at hand.

[quote="Cogo;994468"I do not CARE who thinks what, but this thread has started to damage the value of these forums.[/quote]

Yeah, look at all the water damage. The ceiling's coming down right on top of us. Any minute now this forum will be unsafe for virtual conversation.

What is it exactly about people talking to each other that crawls up your butt so hard?

OnlyRecon wrote: »

NakedSnake wrote: »

Or maybe there was no advantage given but the reason guilds like these get the attention is because they are the first to recognize and report the bugs and exploits. They are known by the devs through these various encounters.

Well said, and let me add that game testing has been working this way for as long as I can remember. The players who participate in early alphas and do well with bug reporting, finding exploits and glitches, and examining/testing broken mechanics are the same ones who are repeatedly invited back to the next alpha testing sessions because they deliver valuable information.

These same players have what might as well be called "gaming resumes," and are invited to test new games, play closed betas for new releases, and participate in other important testing environments.

Players like this work hard at what they do, and they're good at it. There's a reason company officials and developers reach out to groups of people like this - the feedback they provide is valuable, demonstrates balanced and unbiased viewpoints, and gives them a great baseline to work from when implementing new mechanics or reworking things.

You see, the developers certainly don't have the time to test all of these things themselves. They're too busy developing. If not for the hard work put in by these people and their non-stop feedback delivery, you wouldn't have half the game you have now. It would, without a doubt, be FAR from playable.

It surprised me how much time some people did spend testing things. They went through the whole spreadsheet number crunching. theorycrafting and testing just to find out that skills weren't doing the amounts of damage listed on tooltips, or that passives weren't working correctly, or that monsters were hitting for far too much damage for their level. These guys worked for hours on this game and they didn't even get paid for it.

Maverick827 wrote: »

Some more quotes (emphasis mine):

When discussing the Bolt Escape/scroll carrying nerf:

Even though I am a Sorcerer, I personally asked Paul Sage to make this change. You are welcome. It was needed.

Direct access to Paul Sage?

for what it’s worth during our most recent feedback session with ZeniMax we identified and discussed a number of issues both relating to Dragonknights and Sorcerers that are currently causing balance issues. We only offer advice and feedback, the response that ZeniMax devs may or may not choose to take as a result of this feedback (not to mention all the other feedback they receive is) if out of our hands.

What we (as a guild) care about is for ESO to be successful, not for the game to be imbalanced to benefit our guild composition or so we can put up faster trial times (which you seem to think we care deeply about). Please exercise some caution before making wild statements which are offensive to the hard work we put into helping improve ESO.

Also worth noting that I can confirm that Backlash and morphs are intended to not stack at all *currently* and any stacking is purely a bug (which is why we can’t figure out a sensible pattern). I did leave feedback with ZoS on various balance issues “Fixing” this will cause, so we will have to see how this turns out.

I can say for now, we can most likely expect this to be fixed/changed/modified in some way with the next major patch.

Well the 15/Cast was supposed to have been in place since launch. For many abilities that was true. Some were completely broken (A la Siphon Spirit) and some have been getting double (Most of the ones with initial damage and then a Dot Component so 30/cast potentially).

For the balancing of all this they reduced ultimate generation from 3 ultimate per crit for hots/dots to 1 ultimate per crit. He had talked about putting a cap on Crit %, but gave no details on when/how/etc. I would expect more to come, not all bad.

When we talked to one of the Devs last week we suggested such mechanics with a hard cap on ultimate regen such as 15/3-5seconds or something like that. They confirmed that what I just said was the ‘intended’ affect for every skill. Some skills are still skirting by with needs to be fixed.

With other skills being ‘spammable’ I’m not too sure on. Does Force Shock generate 15 ultimate per cast? Even though you can spam it, if it isn’t getting a full 15 probably not an area of concern?

Obviously Siphon Spirit was a big harder hitter (One of the ones that got away from them) and they nerfed ultimate generation from crit from 3 to 1. The dev didn’t want to make any huge nerf bat changes, he explained that he likes to change things incrementally so as to avoid the ‘omgwtfzorz’. Although a few still buy them I’m sure… So for better or for worse expect more changes!

Note: I personally have been having fun the past few weeks, but it IS a bit rediculous that everyone regardless of class and role can pretty much gear for crit and win. Crit builds should be viable, but they shouldn’t be the end all be all. (To that end he did express a strong opinion that there should be a crit cap and to expect one in the future. Pretty open ended and no details were given as to the intended cap.)

Regarding heavy armor/melee builds:

There will be many changes come Patch 2.0, some of which could get patched in before then, that will fix many of these issues and more.

I’m not sure if the changes went through yet, It’s possible I believe they were doing a Hot Fix. You aren’t supposed to be able to generate ultimate from Ultimates and possibly in the same fix? Maybe a later patch (2.0?) I’m sure they’ll be reducing ultimate generation for Dots/Hots.

Pretty much everything here is privileged information. Confirmation of bugs and mechanics that no one else gets. This is the problem.

I put in a GM ticket in game about something and they told me it was bugged - I better call the media that I got exclusive information!

OnlyRecon wrote: »

NakedSnake wrote: »

Or maybe there was no advantage given but the reason guilds like these get the attention is because they are the first to recognize and report the bugs and exploits. They are known by the devs through these various encounters.

Well said, and let me add that game testing has been working this way for as long as I can remember. The players who participate in early alphas and do well with bug reporting, finding exploits and glitches, and examining/testing broken mechanics are the same ones who are repeatedly invited back to the next alpha testing sessions because they deliver valuable information.

These same players have what might as well be called "gaming resumes," and are invited to test new games, play closed betas for new releases, and participate in other important testing environments.

Players like this work hard at what they do, and they're good at it. There's a reason company officials and developers reach out to groups of people like this - the feedback they provide is valuable, demonstrates balanced and unbiased viewpoints, and gives them a great baseline to work from when implementing new mechanics or reworking things.

You see, the developers certainly don't have the time to test all of these things themselves. They're too busy developing. If not for the hard work put in by these people and their non-stop feedback delivery, you wouldn't have half the game you have now. It would, without a doubt, be FAR from playable.

Tabbycat wrote: »

It surprised me how much time some people did spend testing things. They went through the whole spreadsheet number crunching. theorycrafting and testing just to find out that skills weren't doing the amounts of damage listed on tooltips, or that passives weren't working correctly, or that monsters were hitting for far too much damage for their level. These guys worked for hours on this game and they didn't even get paid for it.

These are the so called min-maxers that people like to hate on so much.

Maverick827 wrote: »

Some more quotes (emphasis mine):

When discussing the Bolt Escape/scroll carrying nerf:

Even though I am a Sorcerer, I personally asked Paul Sage to make this change. You are welcome. It was needed.

Direct access to Paul Sage?

for what it’s worth during our most recent feedback session with ZeniMax we identified and discussed a number of issues both relating to Dragonknights and Sorcerers that are currently causing balance issues. We only offer advice and feedback, the response that ZeniMax devs may or may not choose to take as a result of this feedback (not to mention all the other feedback they receive is) if out of our hands.

What we (as a guild) care about is for ESO to be successful, not for the game to be imbalanced to benefit our guild composition or so we can put up faster trial times (which you seem to think we care deeply about). Please exercise some caution before making wild statements which are offensive to the hard work we put into helping improve ESO.

Also worth noting that I can confirm that Backlash and morphs are intended to not stack at all *currently* and any stacking is purely a bug (which is why we can’t figure out a sensible pattern). I did leave feedback with ZoS on various balance issues “Fixing” this will cause, so we will have to see how this turns out.

I can say for now, we can most likely expect this to be fixed/changed/modified in some way with the next major patch.

Well the 15/Cast was supposed to have been in place since launch. For many abilities that was true. Some were completely broken (A la Siphon Spirit) and some have been getting double (Most of the ones with initial damage and then a Dot Component so 30/cast potentially).

For the balancing of all this they reduced ultimate generation from 3 ultimate per crit for hots/dots to 1 ultimate per crit. He had talked about putting a cap on Crit %, but gave no details on when/how/etc. I would expect more to come, not all bad.

When we talked to one of the Devs last week we suggested such mechanics with a hard cap on ultimate regen such as 15/3-5seconds or something like that. They confirmed that what I just said was the ‘intended’ affect for every skill. Some skills are still skirting by with needs to be fixed.

With other skills being ‘spammable’ I’m not too sure on. Does Force Shock generate 15 ultimate per cast? Even though you can spam it, if it isn’t getting a full 15 probably not an area of concern?

Obviously Siphon Spirit was a big harder hitter (One of the ones that got away from them) and they nerfed ultimate generation from crit from 3 to 1. The dev didn’t want to make any huge nerf bat changes, he explained that he likes to change things incrementally so as to avoid the ‘omgwtfzorz’. Although a few still buy them I’m sure… So for better or for worse expect more changes!

Note: I personally have been having fun the past few weeks, but it IS a bit rediculous that everyone regardless of class and role can pretty much gear for crit and win. Crit builds should be viable, but they shouldn’t be the end all be all. (To that end he did express a strong opinion that there should be a crit cap and to expect one in the future. Pretty open ended and no details were given as to the intended cap.)

Regarding heavy armor/melee builds:

There will be many changes come Patch 2.0, some of which could get patched in before then, that will fix many of these issues and more.

I’m not sure if the changes went through yet, It’s possible I believe they were doing a Hot Fix. You aren’t supposed to be able to generate ultimate from Ultimates and possibly in the same fix? Maybe a later patch (2.0?) I’m sure they’ll be reducing ultimate generation for Dots/Hots.

Pretty much everything here is privileged information. Confirmation of bugs and mechanics that no one else gets. This is the problem.

the information in this post SHOULD HAVE BEEN RELEASED TOO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY PERIOD END OF STORY @zos_jessicaFolsom. even if we know the mechanics of a game that dose not mean we can exploit anything beyond what the mechanics allow period unless something is broken. DEVES you built the game so that you could achieve what is required in order too do pvp and pve without having too have "the best" build. YOU BUILT THE GAME SO THAT YOU COULD PLAY AS YOU WANT YET YOUR AFRAID TOO RELEASE THE MECHANICS, THE BROKEN ONES AT THAT AND SHOW YOUR GOING TOO FIX IT! this information right here would have stopped guilds from quitting, players over all from quitting.

Nor yours it seems.

ER, as I know of them, are a guild comprised of many theorycrafters. They come up with their own concepts after literally studying the mechanics and interaction of nearly every aspect of the game.

They were a guild that had many of it's members in the PTS as I understand it.

To this day, their members continue to test out (on their own playtime) game mechanics etc. And they freely share the results of their testing to anyone interested in reading. Or in some cases, watching videos created by their members.

Personally, I find running numbers during the majority of my playtime to be a tedious affair. It's not something I would do unless it was a specific point of interest for me. I'd rather be playing and enjoying the content of the game.

So, almost everyone I see in this thread so far that appears to be disgruntled has absolutely zero posted actual research. This is significant because it strongly suggests your motives are personal gain. If you do have actual posted research you are sharing with the community, feel free to link it. ER members excluded, as I've enjoyed reading and occasionally participating over at Tamriel Foundry since February of this year.

You focus your anger, and create a thread accusing a valuable community resource of numerous, ridiculous things. Yet, where are your noteworthy contributions that justify and encourage the Community Management Staff to visit you and garner your opinions? And where is your research that points to there being a potential problem with a game mechanic?

If the Community Staff here simply did not read or answer issues posted on their main forums. And if, the Community Staff exclusively visited guilds to hold Q&A sessions that resulted in swift game changes - you might have a strong argument. But you folks don't. Because that isn't what's happening here. A variety of guilds are being asked for their opinions regarding the state of the game. In addition to sifting through the complaining, trolling, threads full of insults and occasional actual ideas (good or bad). And almost none of it is supported by hard data. That amounts to a rather unattractive option to consider as part community feedback. I surely wouldn't be interested in sifting through the near totality of the posts filled with... nothing but teeth gnashing and insult contests.

Some members of ER have posted here to defend the mistaken notion that they have a batphone to the devs. But you can't be bothered to listen. Nor could most of the posters be bothered to either do and post their own research and findings for consideration - or simply go over to their forums and read.

I find this thread, despite it's gems, to be turning into yet another toxic portion of what makes reading and posting on this forums a negative experience. And there are some gems here. But as usual, one has to sift through teeth-gnashing, insults, unfounded accusations, and lack of verifiable data to find them.

The community here is toxic.

Evandus wrote: »

ER, as I know of them, are a guild comprised of many theorycrafters. They come up with their own concepts after literally studying the mechanics and interaction of nearly every aspect of the game.

They were a guild that had many of it's members in the PTS as I understand it.

To this day, their members continue to test out (on their own playtime) game mechanics etc. And they freely share the results of their testing to anyone interested in reading. Or in some cases, watching videos created by their members.

Personally, I find running numbers during the majority of my playtime to be a tedious affair. It's not something I would do unless it was a specific point of interest for me. I'd rather be playing and enjoying the content of the game.

So, almost everyone I see in this thread so far that appears to be disgruntled has absolutely zero posted actual research. This is significant because it strongly suggests your motives are personal gain. If you do have actual posted research you are sharing with the community, feel free to link it. ER members excluded, as I've enjoyed reading and occasionally participating over at Tamriel Foundry since February of this year.

You focus your anger, and create a thread accusing a valuable community resource of numerous, ridiculous things. Yet, where are your noteworthy contributions that justify and encourage the Community Management Staff to visit you and garner your opinions? And where is your research that points to there being a potential problem with a game mechanic?

If the Community Staff here simply did not read or answer issues posted on their main forums. And if, the Community Staff exclusively visited guilds to hold Q&A sessions that resulted in swift game changes - you might have a strong argument. But you folks don't. Because that isn't what's happening here. A variety of guilds are being asked for their opinions regarding the state of the game. In addition to sifting through the complaining, trolling, threads full of insults and occasional actual ideas (good or bad). And almost none of it is supported by hard data. That amounts to a rather unattractive option to consider as part community feedback. I surely wouldn't be interested in sifting through the near totality of the posts filled with... nothing but teeth gnashing and insult contests.

Some members of ER have posted here to defend the mistaken notion that they have a batphone to the devs. But you can't be bothered to listen. Nor could most of the posters be bothered to either do and post their own research and findings for consideration - or simply go over to their forums and read.

I find this thread, despite it's gems, to be turning into yet another toxic portion of what makes reading and posting on this forums a negative experience. And there are some gems here. But as usual, one has to sift through teeth-gnashing, insults, unfounded accusations, and lack of verifiable data to find them.

The community here is toxic.

You obviously do not understand what this thread is about. It has nothing to do with research, solo player or guild driven. This has nothing to do with those who do research and supply data on their guild forums, these forums or any other social media site.

This issue that the majority of those posting here are concerned about is the sharing of information and the perception that others may be privy to knowledge and/or access that the majority do not have.

The lack of communication has been one of the biggest complaints made on these forums. Go through and look at any post where someone has listed their thoughts on top priority issues that need resolved and communication from ZOS is always there.

If this community is toxic it is because ZOS has nurtured the seed of malcontent and anger.

Perhaps the lack of understanding, analysis, and insight displayed by some people in this thread explains why their feedback and opinions is not being actively sought after?

Seriously, ZoS doesn't owe anyone feedback, it's not a service they provide as part of your subscription and it's certainly not a privilege or reward they give to their favourites. It's a resource and tool they use for their own benefit and they're going to seek sources with a higher signal to noise ratio in addition to these forums.

This happens in *every game you've ever played* whether you knew about it or not, if you think it didn't you're deluding yourself.

Evandus wrote: »

ER, as I know of them, are a guild comprised of many theorycrafters. They come up with their own concepts after literally studying the mechanics and interaction of nearly every aspect of the game.

They were a guild that had many of it's members in the PTS as I understand it.

To this day, their members continue to test out (on their own playtime) game mechanics etc. And they freely share the results of their testing to anyone interested in reading. Or in some cases, watching videos created by their members.

You are absolutely correct, ER has been a benefit to the ESO community and has made significant contributions to it. That is not the issue at hand, and I don't think most people would argue about it.

Evandus wrote: »

So, almost everyone I see in this thread so far that appears to be disgruntled has absolutely zero posted actual research. This is significant because it strongly suggests your motives are personal gain. If you do have actual posted research you are sharing with the community, feel free to link it. ER members excluded, as I've enjoyed reading and occasionally participating over at Tamriel Foundry since February of this year.

You focus your anger, and create a thread accusing a valuable community resource of numerous, ridiculous things. Yet, where are your noteworthy contributions that justify and encourage the Community Management Staff to visit you and garner your opinions? And where is your research that points to there being a potential problem with a game mechanic?

The majority of gamers, like yourself as previously stated, do not enjoy breaking down the minutiae of the game mechanics. However, the sheer number of people posting about the exact same problems and the same general observations can be an even greater contribution to fixing game mechanics and finding potential problems. There is nothing like the sheer weight of numbers to stress test a game and find all the flaws that a few individuals will miss, and I know that ZoS is keenly aware of this fact.

Evandus wrote: »

If the Community Staff here simply did not read or answer issues posted on their main forums. And if, the Community Staff exclusively visited guilds to hold Q&A sessions that resulted in swift game changes - you might have a strong argument. But you folks don't. Because that isn't what's happening here. A variety of guilds are being asked for their opinions regarding the state of the game. In addition to sifting through the complaining, trolling, threads full of insults and occasional actual ideas (good or bad). And almost none of it is supported by hard data. That amounts to a rather unattractive option to consider as part community feedback. I surely wouldn't be interested in sifting through the near totality of the posts filled with... nothing but teeth gnashing and insult contests.

If the interactions with the guilds was limited to a strictly one-way feedback session then you would be absolutely correct. However, multiple people have posted that their guilds have had a dialog with the devs, not feedback to them, and have gained confirmation of details and game mechanics that other players don't yet have access to. This is all second-hand information though, but it seems that you are the one who doesn't have access to the hard data and are being somewhat hypocritical.

Evandus wrote: »

Some members of ER have posted here to defend the mistaken notion that they have a batphone to the devs. But you can't be bothered to listen. Nor could most of the posters be bothered to either do and post their own research and findings for consideration - or simply go over to their forums and read.

I find this thread, despite it's gems, to be turning into yet another toxic portion of what makes reading and posting on this forums a negative experience. And there are some gems here. But as usual, one has to sift through teeth-gnashing, insults, unfounded accusations, and lack of verifiable data to find them.

The community here is toxic.

You are absolutely right that this is a toxic issue, and it is a result of a perceived divide between players. When some are seen to be the favorites and insiders it will always cause resentment, whether or not there is any substance to it. The real reason people react so strongly to this issue is because of the relative silence from ZoS thus far. And then when they are seen to have reached out to a select few, people are understandably upset.

Mystborn wrote: »

Perhaps the lack of understanding, analysis, and insight displayed by some people in this thread explains why their feedback and opinions is not being actively sought after?

Seriously, ZoS doesn't owe anyone feedback, it's not a service they provide as part of your subscription and it's certainly not a privilege or reward they give to their favourites. It's a resource and tool they use for their own benefit and they're going to seek sources with a higher signal to noise ratio in addition to these forums.

This happens in *every game you've ever played* whether you knew about it or not, if you think it didn't you're deluding yourself.

I'm sorry, but this is not a solid argument.

All these discussions should be available for the rest of us, just post a transcript and then we can share our ideas about it. I'm not saying the guys who give suggestions are not doing it in good faith don't have enough knowledge about game mechanics, but they are not the only ones. Thus, this is wrong. And getting info about changes before everyone else is wrong too. Good luck trying to argue with that.

In addition, the fact that it happens in other games does not make it right. What kind of argument is that?


It is quite simple to fix though. Post a transcript of this discussions, so we can give our feedback as well, devs should read it and everyone will be happy.

Are you saying this suggestion is unreasonable? If so, please explain.

cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »

You are absolutely right that this is a toxic issue, and it is a result of a perceived divide between players. When some are seen to be the favorites and insiders it will always cause resentment, whether or not there is any substance to it. The real reason people react so strongly to this issue is because of the relative silence from ZoS thus far. And then when they are seen to have reached out to a select few, people are understandably upset.

Sifting between noise and actual information on these forums is problematic. There are so many bold, unsupported, and unfounded accusations here it's comical. Much like your assertion that I'm a hypocrite for pointing out that meaningless and unsubstantiated rage is simple noise to the scientific mind. A useless counter to my observations.

Furthermore, a self created divide between those who test and know mechanics versus those who don't is easy to rectify. One would merely need to refer to their own data. And if they don't have any, create some.

How much of these forums for example were overrun with bow/dagger nightblades raging about being underpowered? And how many of those players still cannot grasp where the actual problem lies? Which is an assertion made (supported by research), by ER members previous to public beta?

Not liking an aspect of the game and choosing to blindy rage about it = noise. Not liking an aspect of the game and pointing it out with supporting research = actionable.

Change your rage, drop the insults, and create actionable feedback. You might be more pleased with the results.

Evandus wrote: »

cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »

You are absolutely right that this is a toxic issue, and it is a result of a perceived divide between players. When some are seen to be the favorites and insiders it will always cause resentment, whether or not there is any substance to it. The real reason people react so strongly to this issue is because of the relative silence from ZoS thus far. And then when they are seen to have reached out to a select few, people are understandably upset.

Sifting between noise and actual information on these forums is problematic. There are so many bold, unsupported, and unfounded accusations here it's comical. Much like your assertion that I'm a hypocrite for pointing out that meaningless and unsubstantiated rage is simple noise to the scientific mind. A useless counter to my observations.

Furthermore, a self created divide between those who test and know mechanics versus those who don't is easy to rectify. One would merely need to refer to their own data. And if they don't have any, create some.

How much of these forums for example were overrun with bow/dagger nightblades raging about being underpowered? And how many of those players still cannot grasp where the actual problem lies? Which is an assertion made (supported by research), by ER members previous to public beta?

Not liking an aspect of the game and choosing to blindy rage about it = noise. Not liking an aspect of the game and pointing it out with supporting research = actionable.

Change your rage, drop the insults, and create actionable feedback. You might be more pleased with the results.

I'm not sure why or how you considered my post a 'rage' other than that you disagreed with what I wrote. Your observation that everyone who provided feedback on the nightblade being underpowered was 'raging' and that they 'still cannot grasp where the problem lies' is not the kind of scientific observation you are espousing, it is a gross generalization. It does nobody any good if you belittle the person giving the feedback just because you don't like it or agree with it.