The well written, painstakingly crafted story of ESO is essentially meaningless.

Shaun98ca2 · June 2014

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

VR content was created for one thing only: make it harder = more time spent getting to end game because there literally isn't any.

Veteran Rank content was created for 1 thing only. FANS requesting to see all the other factions content on 1 character.

tordr86b16_ESO · June 2014

Coggage wrote: »

On the subject of the storyline, I've just decided to ignore the whole storyline quest chain, henceforth. I've done it all on one character, parts of it with two alts and on my fourth alt I really can't be bothered to do it all again.

It would be nice if alts got different storylines to your main character, I think. Maybe even random ones not involving Molag Bal at all. I've no idea how it could/would be implemented, but it would make a big difference in the "replayability" factor of the game.

the main story quests give insane amounts of exp

tordr86b16_ESO · June 2014

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

VR content was created for one thing only: make it harder = more time spent getting to end game because there literally isn't any.

Veteran Rank content was created for 1 thing only. FANS requesting to see all the other factions content on 1 character.

nope. they finally realized that keeping the level cap at 50 would not keep people interested in the game after the first month. so they added these artificial levels, increased hp and damage by x3 times.

Valerien · June 2014

Fully agree. It feels like the game designers weren't sure what sort of experience they wanted to offer and missed it on all accounts.

As a themepark I'd hope the quests and the choices I make would have some impact but they don't. Even defeating Molag Bal is forgotten moments after he is defeated and his minions are completely unaware of his defeat.

As a sandbox I'd hope my interaction with the game world would have some effect that I would be a person in this world. Not so much, my faction is meaningless, my race is meaningless, my class is meaningless (this one by design) and even the choices I make such as becoming a Vampire is meaningless. I've had to go work for a vampire to get some blood when I could have surely just used my own.

Currently everyone is the same and everyone is a nameless, faceless, bland drifter who simply has to say yes to every quest. This is too linear to be a sandbox style experience and too bland to offer much in the way of a themepark style experience. I hope the team can pull something out the bag to offer more depth to the experience.

Shaun98ca2 · June 2014

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

VR content was created for one thing only: make it harder = more time spent getting to end game because there literally isn't any.

Veteran Rank content was created for 1 thing only. FANS requesting to see all the other factions content on 1 character.

nope. they finally realized that keeping the level cap at 50 would not keep people interested in the game after the first month.

Whatever who cares.

reggielee · June 2014

the OP eloquent post states everything that I find disturbing about vet levels. For that reason im stopping at vet and will instead level a new alt in another faction.

i thought i read somewhere that they are aware of our concerns and may be working on addressing that in the future. i may be wrong

Shaun98ca2 · June 2014

reggielee wrote: »

the OP eloquent post states everything that I find disturbing about vet levels. For that reason im stopping at vet and will instead level a new alt in another faction.

i thought i read somewhere that they are aware of our concerns and may be working on addressing that in the future. i may be wrong

I imagine they are going to add more content to start from vr1 though IF they do that they are screwing the VR12 people waiting for more content.

So they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Its a loose loose situation.

No matter what the developers attempt to do to appease the player base there will be more outrage.

Everybody is upset about Veteran Ranks except for the people that wanted it. If they DIDNT have it people that wanted it would be upset.

HOW exactly do you appease BOTH sides?

Evergnar · June 2014

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Evergnar wrote: »

It really wouldn't take the devs that much work to put in better (longer) transition scene explaining exactly why you're going into the other faction areas. The current explanation is weak sauce.

Please Zos, just take some time to make a spy quest line. You could tie so many of the existing quests to it simply by throwing in an extra NPC and 10 sec of dialogue.

Your spy quest stories idea is "fine" but it still prevents people from enjoying the content that's over there without an alt. A lot of people hate alts, and at the same time shouldn't be locked out of 2/3 of the content they paid for. You play an MMO for a more lasting appeal to character and story and alts really take away from that.

I don't quite get what you're saying. Are you saying even with new quests for vet levels in the other factions that you still couldn't enjoy it? That you want 2/3 more completely new content for vet levels?

Shaun98ca2 · June 2014

Evergnar wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Evergnar wrote: »

It really wouldn't take the devs that much work to put in better (longer) transition scene explaining exactly why you're going into the other faction areas. The current explanation is weak sauce.

Please Zos, just take some time to make a spy quest line. You could tie so many of the existing quests to it simply by throwing in an extra NPC and 10 sec of dialogue.

Your spy quest stories idea is "fine" but it still prevents people from enjoying the content that's over there without an alt. A lot of people hate alts, and at the same time shouldn't be locked out of 2/3 of the content they paid for. You play an MMO for a more lasting appeal to character and story and alts really take away from that.

I don't quite get what you're saying. Are you saying even with new quests for vet levels in the other factions that you still couldn't enjoy it? That you want 2/3 more completely new content for vet levels?

At some people there is still a story on the other 2 factions. You as a developer NEED to appease me so I can see ALL the content on 1 character. And not JUST me but MANY people.

Actually there WAS outrage that you had to make alts to see all the content. What were the developers SUPPOSED TO DO.

Coggage · June 2014

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Coggage wrote: »

On the subject of the storyline, I've just decided to ignore the whole storyline quest chain, henceforth. I've done it all on one character, parts of it with two alts and on my fourth alt I really can't be bothered to do it all again.

It would be nice if alts got different storylines to your main character, I think. Maybe even random ones not involving Molag Bal at all. I've no idea how it could/would be implemented, but it would make a big difference in the "replayability" factor of the game.

the main story quests give insane amounts of exp

So could the alternate storyline quests.

Ysne58 · June 2014

The lockout occurs because so many people cannot get past the main story in it's current and completely unfair forced solo feature. Instead of nerfing it even further the devs need to make it groupable by at least 2 so that these people can get past it with help.

Evergnar · June 2014

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

At some people there is still a story on the other 2 factions. You as a developer NEED to appease me so I can see ALL the content on 1 character. And not JUST me but MANY people.

Actually there WAS outrage that you had to make alts to see all the content. What were the developers SUPPOSED TO DO.

Still not sure what you're getting at. You do see all the content on 1 character. Problem is it currently makes little to no sense following the other factions story line.

Shaun98ca2 · June 2014

Evergnar wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

At some people there is still a story on the other 2 factions. You as a developer NEED to appease me so I can see ALL the content on 1 character. And not JUST me but MANY people.

Actually there WAS outrage that you had to make alts to see all the content. What were the developers SUPPOSED TO DO.

Still not sure what you're getting at. You do see all the content on 1 character. Problem is it currently makes little to no sense following the other factions story line.

And the thing is they TRIED to give the best answer they could. Unless you have a better answer that allows for seeing all the factions on 1 character.

twev · June 2014

So, I guess my cunningly contrived plan of never getting to end game in any game I play is finally bearing fruit.

steveb16_ESO46 · June 2014

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Teevesnacks wrote: »

Just like due to player feedback they made you start in the "third" zone in your factions quest line and then people started complaining they were underleveled for content

I've never understood what they were thinking there. Sometimes it feels like ZOS only listens to the players when the players say something dumb.

They didn't 'listen' to players on this. They didn't respond to 'demands'. They had no content ready, did some hand-waving, applied some multipliers and there you go. New content.

steveb16_ESO46 · June 2014

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Its a loose loose situation.

No, it's a 'lose' 'lose' situation.

'Loose', being a completely different word, makes no sense in this context.

CheesyDaedra · June 2014

Not to mention the sometimes (IMO) horrible voice actors, i'm looking at you Mannimarco.

Shaun98ca2 · June 2014

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Its a loose loose situation.

No, it's a 'lose' 'lose' situation.

'Loose', being a completely different word, makes no sense in this context.

yea cant spell

Shaun98ca2 · June 2014

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Teevesnacks wrote: »

Just like due to player feedback they made you start in the "third" zone in your factions quest line and then people started complaining they were underleveled for content

I've never understood what they were thinking there. Sometimes it feels like ZOS only listens to the players when the players say something dumb.

They didn't 'listen' to players on this. They didn't respond to 'demands'. They had no content ready, did some hand-waving, applied some multipliers and there you go. New content.

IF you talking about Veteran Rank content then YES it was in response to player demand. It was to allow us to see the content of the other 2 factions.

They originally didn't have it that way there was a community out cry and now we can play in all 3 factions stories.

So where are you getting nobody asked for this.

SteveCampsOut · June 2014

MonkeyAssassin24 wrote: »

For example (possible spoiler) I had to choose a new leader for a zone and one said he would bolster the defenses while the other said she would care for the people...why would I want their defenses bolstered? I chose the latter

Subversive! I like it!

Valn · June 2014

I would have preferred it if you complete your first zone, then you are instructed to convince the other 2 faction leaders and earn their trust to join forces together. Dunno how that would work with pvp tho

Sleepydan · June 2014

Everything is meaningless. Your job, your relationships, your hobbies, your life as you know it. All of it will be lost in time, water pushed under the bridge by the all important *** of the people that will follow you.

And your panties are in a twist because your character in a game, who fell to the world from the sky, got more Invested with the politics of the first faction he encountered than the possibility of engaging and rising to power in other places of the world as well.

You think the writers should have spent more time and work to REDO every well done quest they made to accommodate that worldview. Because that would be more important than having them work on new content. It's meaningless to go forth presently.

You really can't make everyone happy can you.

Dekkameron · June 2014

CheesusChrist95 wrote: »

Not to mention the sometimes (IMO) horrible voice actors, i'm looking at you Mannimarco.

EDIT : Nvm lol

PBpsy · June 2014

Sleepydan wrote: »

Everything is meaningless. Your job, your relationships, your hobbies, your life as you know it. All of it will be lost in time, water pushed under the bridge by the all important *** of the people that will follow you.

And your panties are in a twist because your character in a game, who fell to the world from the sky, got more Invested with the politics of the first faction he encountered than the possibility of engaging and rising to power in other places of the world as well.

You think the writers should have spent more time and work to REDO every well done quest they made to accommodate that worldview. Because that would be more important than having them work on new content. It's meaningless to go forth presently.

You really can't make everyone happy can you.

Exactly.
Do people really think that it would have been realistically possible to put another ~150-300 hours of quality voice acted pve unique content for each faction at release? The only game that had more PVE content of this type was SWTOR.but the format of that game was quite different and so did their devs initial goals and resources. Game costs money to make and an imperial edition +12months subscription maybe pays one of their programers for 2 days.

The present way in which they added VR is the one that causes the least amount both in lore and implementation. Since it didn't really happen. It also opens many possibilities for the later PVE content to be less faction centered.

badmojo · June 2014

I know what I did, that's enough for me.

Nukeyak · June 2014

I disagree with OP.

Once finished with the main quest line you are informed that the threat to Tamriel goes beyond the conflict of the three factions. In order to understand the other factions you are requested to join them anonymously. OP, you really can't just go along with this?

I view the faction conflict as basically color war, totally fine joining another faction (to learn more about them). At least if the alternative is endless raiding.

CaptainSilverbrow · June 2014

MonkeyAssassin24 wrote: »

I think people were mainly upset they couldn't visit some of the zones they had wanted to see when the game was announced if they picked a certain faction.

Is it slightly cheap and annoying? Yes

Or players be able to visit those zones as, you know, invaders, with different quests and objectives from actors belonging to their factions in those zones, obviously in different places. Granted, each of these five zones are essentially the heartland of the factions that control them, but these factions are at war, you should at least be able to go there to do quests that further your faction's interests there. The Kalimdor-Horde/Eastern Kingdoms-Alliance cross-continental dichotomy executes this excellently. Each faction has controlling interests in many of the zones on the two continents; every player can go these zones, but the experiences are entirely different.

Falmer · June 2014

I love the game, but agree that in their attempt at VR content was not through apparently. In this manner, they have essentially divided their player base into two halves. What they do in the future to expand the game is only going to appeal to one side or the other.

Craglorn, for instance, is a useless upgrade for those who experience the different factions through alts rather than VR.

So is future content going to be for level 50-60 characters? Or is it going to be VR13-VR15? Either one is going to isolate half the players.

They should have just stuck with keeping the factions separate and making the VR content deal with Oblivion planes or something.

Alazarz · June 2014

Aren't the VR lvls based in your character's past? Before you were killed and sent to coldharbour?

Woolenthreads · June 2014

When it comes down to it. I might play the Cyrodil area once I get there but I'm not going to stroll through the other factional Areas fighting as though I'm helping their cause. I have Alts for that. So When all of my most interesting Alts have reached Cyrodil I suspect that I.might.just.quit.