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Is the game making a comeback?
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Mablung✭✭✭✭✭No, the game mechanics cannot be overcome to redeem this game.andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »Make up your own mind, but I have never seen an MMO drop in price this fast before. Have you?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0081Q58AW/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new&qid=1402713202&sr=1-1
they resell the 9,99$ physical copys from Walmart/Best Buy (Walmart one even with explorer pack and a map ^^)
Why would Walmart take such a big hit like that? Zeni will still be charging them the standard price, unless its just that they have a special offer on at the moment.
You might be reading too much into this.
Too many and they are not moving them any longer. The game is no longer considered new by retail standards. So you make what you can.1 -
sajackson✭✭✭andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »Make up your own mind, but I have never seen an MMO drop in price this fast before. Have you?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0081Q58AW/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new&qid=1402713202&sr=1-1
they resell the 9,99$ physical copys from Walmart/Best Buy (Walmart one even with explorer pack and a map ^^)
Why would Walmart take such a big hit like that? Zeni will still be charging them the standard price, unless its just that they have a special offer on at the moment.
You might be reading too much into this.
Too many and they are not moving them any longer. The game is no longer considered new by retail standards. So you make what you can.
Ok I'll grant that could happen although it's a bit of a fail in Walmarts supply chain if they allowed such a large surplus to build up.
Wouldn't be surprised to find that a lot of purchases are digital now anyway. Buying boxed software is becoming a thing of history.2 -
kevlarto_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, the DEV are quick to address issues when compared to other MMOs. This gives me confidence that the game is on the up and up.Never knew it went any where, the guild I am in still has three seperate guilds in game becaue we have more members than the cap a couple of times over, and we are still growing.
We don't know what the numbers are, ZOS is a private company, they don't have to tell us anything, and I doubt they will ever tell us anything, as much as I would like them to.1 -
tordr86b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other remarks.andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »Make up your own mind, but I have never seen an MMO drop in price this fast before. Have you?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0081Q58AW/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new&qid=1402713202&sr=1-1
they resell the 9,99$ physical copys from Walmart/Best Buy (Walmart one even with explorer pack and a map ^^)
Why would Walmart take such a big hit like that? Zeni will still be charging them the standard price, unless its just that they have a special offer on at the moment.
You might be reading too much into this.
or they just want to clean house.
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Yes, I feel the population is strong and many users will sub/return in the coming months as more fixes/content is released.Hey! A lot of different opinions in this post. I feel like quoting a post I read on another forum, about ESO, which very much reflects my thoughts.The Environment
I'm relatively new to Elder Scrolls lore. I purchased Skyrim last year to get a feel for the lore and gameplay style, but I did not get too far into it. It wasn't until I started playing the retail release of the game did I start reading up on the history of the franchise and looking at YouTube videos to look at primers to get my bearings. Even now, I find myself amazed at the lore's ability to be both specific while also expansive and inclusive. Fringe concepts for stories can fit into the lore with minimal tweaking, which allows me as a storyteller to focus on the meat of the stories and the characters therein. It's surprisingly easy to jump into.
In the game itself, I find the quests to be more inspiring and engaging than any MMO I've played before. I remember feeling real emotion going through the dungeon involving the female Orc wanting to find her abducted husband. There are quests in this game that make me want to find out what happens next; that make me want to get into the shoes of my character and go through the story of his eyes. The mix of voice acting and the deviation of 'kill 10 rats' quests really make the quests worthwhile to me.
Gameplay
One of the things about ESO that really drew me in was its approach to gameplay. As someone that likes to customize their character to exactly how they'd want to play them, I found the skill and armor system to be nearly perfect for me. Being able to play a Sorcerer tank that's also a werewolf. Most MMOs aren't nearly as flexible.
In dungeons, I really enjoy the frenetic and active playstyle where a tank is not meant to draw all of the aggro and during boss fights the aggro tables can reset consistently. This forces everyone to be on their toes and on top of their game, at least to a higher extent than traditional holy trinity MMOs. The active approach to targeting mixes well with the 'scramble' playstyle.
The game feels like a challenge to me most of the time when I'm fighting level appropriate content. At first I would get frustrated when something in the game would kick my ass mercilessly, but then I realized how refreshing that was or could be. I'm used to MMOs where you more or less sleepwalk your way through a treadmill, going from one theme park to the next. And it was all so easy.
There are spots in this game where it comes off as easy to me, and others where the difficulty is nearly impossible, but I welcome the challenge I generally receive going through the content.
The Potential
Elder Scrolls Online is by no means a perfect game. There are some problems that really detract from what could be an even better experience, but the light at the end of the tunnel is very promising to me. Some have already rushed through the game's content, have not given what I consider to be the requisite amount of time for a new MMO to hit its stride, and have moved on to Wildstar or whatever else. I think they are really missing out, and have thrown away an opportunity to enjoy this game.
Without sparking a distracting debate or moving into another topic entirely, I think MMO gamers today have gotten to be too impatient to the point of being unrealistic in their expectations. A new MMO is not going to come out with the same amount of content as WoW. Not every feature under the sun is going to be available right away. But I think it's indicative of gaming trends that there are so few threads like these and so many like the one that got locked yesterday. People seem to want to be harshly critical and migrant with their game.
People have a right to feel however they want about a game, and their opinion is no more or less credible than mine or anyone else's, but.
I look at the totality of Elder Scrolls Online, its gameplay, the perceived rate of released updates, the lore and how well it lends itself to roleplay, and I see nothing but potential. Part of me is glad people who have moved on already are gone, because I would rather see this game's community develop with a small and dedicated core than see people set up pillars and then vanish.
And posts like these, also ring true to me.Just keep in mind all the "doom and gloom" remarks from the forums are just a very vocal minority. Most people are having fun playing the game and don't come on the forums except to check announcements and patch notes.
People keep saying the game is "dead", yet I still see hordes of players in PvE every day, PvP has locked servers with long queues to get in just like it always has.
Is the game perfect? No, it still needs fixes, but is it dying/in need of a "comeback"? No.
The "haters" (and trust me, I hate using that expression,) seem and are immensely vocal. The game is definitely not dead, and this cannot be stated if one is looking at the facts. I see people every day, and more than that, I see a lot of NEW people join every day. It's not dead until it's dead, and I don't think it will. No MMO that has released has ever come out with all it's content in from scratch. Take WoW for example-- they have how many years under their banner?
Of course they will have a lot of content. Some MMO's have really good starts, and other's have decent starts, but for a game like this, I definitely think that it's going to get better. I already think it's vastly fun, and I think that a lot of people think the same. Just because those that dislike the game say things like, "Everyone is leaving," or "Everyone left," does not make it so. And so many of them claim to be speaking for the masses, when they are just extremely loud.
That's my two cents! And probably a few cents from those I quoted.4 -
Shiroro✭✭✭No, the number of issues this game has at its current state indicates it is still struggling and losing the battleMore people are leaving than new people are joining. "Everyone" is leaving in the VR levels...you can tell because the zones are empty.
Zeni's top 3 priorities right now:
- Continue working on Cyrodiil lag. ESO has no endgame and you need to keep your VR players busy.
- Allow grouping for main questline and implement a system so that people can actually quest together with their friends. People who can't progress will find another game that lets them progress.
- Rebalance VR content so that people will actually want to play it.
Class rebalancing stuff and new content stuff is unimportant right now. They need to sew up the gaping wound in the game's chest first before it dies.3 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other remarks.
Really do believe that a lot of the quiet unsubscribes have left and are leaving because of that.- Allow grouping for main questline and implement a system so that people can actually quest together with their friends. People who can't progress will find another game that lets them progress.Crotchety Old Man Guild
"Hey you, get off my lawn!"2 -
Phantax✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, the number of issues this game has at its current state indicates it is still struggling and losing the battleSallington wrote: »This poll gave me cancer.
And stupid comments like that (to somebody like myself who has lost relatives to cancer) just make you seem like a pathetic [snip]! ! !
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]Edited by ZOS_LeroyW on June 14, 2014 1:06PMHigh Elf Sorcerer VR12 - Destro / Resto Staff
I'm a werewolf. If you vamps don't like it.... Bite me !
We're not retreating... we're advancing in a different direction !1 -
Apsalon✭Yes, I feel the population is strong and many users will sub/return in the coming months as more fixes/content is released."Out of a stinking pile of *** there is slowly growing a beautiful little flower." I leave all interpretations to you.0 -
Phantax✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, the number of issues this game has at its current state indicates it is still struggling and losing the battle"Out of a stinking pile of *** there is slowly growing a beautiful little flower." I leave all interpretations to you.
Well they say horse**** helps plants to grow...lol
Edited by Phantax on June 14, 2014 1:09PMHigh Elf Sorcerer VR12 - Destro / Resto Staff
I'm a werewolf. If you vamps don't like it.... Bite me !
We're not retreating... we're advancing in a different direction !0 -
starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »I think it's too soon for any type of pronouncement of failure, sucess, comeback, etc. Of course the game will experiance a drop off of subs after the 30 days you get buying ends. That happens with every game. And yes there are problems, but many are being fixed. Try the poll in a year, then it may be meaningful.
Are you for real? You telling us people spend the initial cost of the game for only one month of play? Not sure what world you are from but NOBODY I know will spend that kind of money to test the waters. These people bought the game because they wanted to play the game. Leaving after the free month is done only says ONE thing about the game, IT'S NOT WORTH THE MONEY THEY WANT FOR IT TO PLAY!3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, the number of issues this game has at its current state indicates it is still struggling and losing the battleI really tried to make this game work, because I do enjoy it when it works and the graphics and exploration are both very nice. However in the end, I just can't overcome the bugs and lack of end game.
I might give it another try however many months from now it takes them to cash in on their console release, as I think they make focus on these issues more diligently after that landmark.
As an aside, I have played most of the big MMO's over the last decade and a half, and never in all that time has a title like this failed to last even three months for me.4 -
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✭✭✭Yes, I feel the population is strong and many users will sub/return in the coming months as more fixes/content is released.TheScorpion wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »I think it's too soon for any type of pronouncement of failure, sucess, comeback, etc. Of course the game will experiance a drop off of subs after the 30 days you get buying ends. That happens with every game. And yes there are problems, but many are being fixed. Try the poll in a year, then it may be meaningful.
Are you for real? You telling us people spend the initial cost of the game for only one month of play? Not sure what world you are from but NOBODY I know will spend that kind of money to test the waters. These people bought the game because they wanted to play the game. Leaving after the free month is done only says ONE thing about the game, IT'S NOT WORTH THE MONEY THEY WANT FOR IT TO PLAY!
Yeah and we should all listen to the guy who doesn't even play. Half of the player base always leaves every new MMO. Oh No! this is an MMO so halfthe players leave just like every MMO out there. Holy Crap who would of thought it.2 -
Lodestar✭✭✭✭Other remarks.I a not sure what this thread is about. I get it is recognising the population drop, and the issues that came up during launch, and even how the former was influenced by the latter.
What it seems to me, to suggest, is that those were the only reasons. My point is that after first month there is always a massive population drop in MMO populations, and further by third month in my experience. This thread does not seem to be created with that in mind.
Take the blinders off. You are correct that MMOs have a normal drop off in subs after first month of free play but you seem to be suggesting that there is no other reason for the decline in subscriptions.
The game is dying because of poor design, poor communication, poor gameplay. I will just stop with those right there.
I logged in last night on my level 27 Sorc and VR9 NB, both in level appropriate zones on the NA/AD side. No zone chat in either for 15 mins and the only chat that did display in that time was a Dolmen up announcement in the level 20 area I am in.
All of the TESO supporters need to come to the realization that this game is done.
Can people make their minds up?
On another thread I had some forum rambo calling me a troll and a doom sayer (that he was the biggest troll of all posting simply to pick a fight and start a lynch mob is worth noting). Now, I have blinkers on?
No, I don't have blinkers on. I even said in my post, I am aware of the concerns of this games launch, and they clearly had an impact on the retaining subscribers. No dispute on that at all.
I am certainly not blind to the issues raised over launch. I had the bank bug, and have had the missing quest objective that needs to be fixed by logging in and out bug, plenty times. Have my own hang ups on gameplay and dev decisions, and know how much they are impacting others.
What I do ask, is how many subscribers have been lost that may have stayed, due to bugs, and perceived negatives? Did, ZOS and Zenimax predict these losses? And if so, what does that say about their intentions for this game, and the direction they may take?
Some mitigating factors too. Summer means more people will want to go out, have exams, and this year we have the world cup. I myself have it on right now to the left of me, half watching while I type this. And of course, some people may even play this game to get away. Then we had the wildstar release in last 30 days.
So, to recap, the questions for me are.
Who is still subscribing and playing?
Who is still subscribing and not playing?
Who is no longer doing either?
How much of those decisions are based on technical issues? And personal tastes not being met?
How much of this is being decided on other factors, not directly ESO bugs, or gameplay related?
How un-subscribers could have been prevented?
I am certain people left over bugs, and discontent over gamplay/content. But, I am also certain many would have gone anyway, and therefore not convinced all of them would have stayed, if not for those.1 -
Nazon_Katts✭✭✭✭✭No, the number of issues this game has at its current state indicates it is still struggling and losing the battletordr86b16_ESO wrote: »Nazon_Katts wrote: »I'm exhausted fighting windmills of stupidity, leave me be! I've stared too long into insanity and so a fool I has become, for an outcome different I expect of all the same, oh all the same and went to wilder stars. See ya laters and tada!
you will come back
for more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKMMCPeiQoc
HAHA! Most excellent observation, indeed!
It's just that the light at the end of the tunnel, most of the time, is just another train approaching.
"You've probably figured that out by now. Let's hope so. Or we're in real trouble... and out come the intestines. And I skip rope with them!"1 -
ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »TheScorpion wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »I think it's too soon for any type of pronouncement of failure, sucess, comeback, etc. Of course the game will experiance a drop off of subs after the 30 days you get buying ends. That happens with every game. And yes there are problems, but many are being fixed. Try the poll in a year, then it may be meaningful.
Are you for real? You telling us people spend the initial cost of the game for only one month of play? Not sure what world you are from but NOBODY I know will spend that kind of money to test the waters. These people bought the game because they wanted to play the game. Leaving after the free month is done only says ONE thing about the game, IT'S NOT WORTH THE MONEY THEY WANT FOR IT TO PLAY!
Yeah and we should all listen to the guy who doesn't even play. Half of the player base always leaves every new MMO. Oh No! this is an MMO so halfthe players leave just like every MMO out there. Holy Crap who would of thought it.
Well, the only way you would know if I play or not is if you are on the ESO payrol. Having said that, I don't play for a lot of reasons, the biggest is they used invalid methods of securing their subscription from me so they could ensure they got another $80 from another unsuspecting player. The list of reasons is long but here are a few of them:
1) their system of testing payment plans was flawed in that they formed the reoccurring charge with a non-reoccurring test of a $1 transaction on my paypal account instead of a real reoccurring test. (Could easily be fixed by taking the first reoccurring payment right from the get go since we obviously want to play otherwise we wouldn't have spent the initial fee and signed up to continue to pay/play)
Paypal has a prepaid credit card attached which won't allow reoccurring payments. (which it's their responsibility to ensure their payment plan(s) are not flawed, not mine... a proper test of a reoccurring charge would have prevented this for me and many others yet all their paid trollers tried really hard to pin that responsibility on me)
2) they have not returned any of my emails once I expressed my concerns about this and they only 'suggest' buying their game time card for way more money as the only solution and no appologies for making such a huge overlooked mistake.
3) they pay trolls like you to thwart the unhappy customer's who have genuine concerns by providing rude comments to the people who complain. Who wants to be part of a community comprised of members with that attitude, especially when 95% of the complaints are valid and legitimate.
4) having to wait for a complete game download everytime a patch is released
5) the ESO forum community comprises of a bunch of people with so much negativity towards their fellow community member(s) that express ANY negative concerns about the game and it's playability.
6) seeing the price of a new copy of the game for way less somewhere else than they sell it for any reason at all (they could have formed a contract guaranteeing their retailers to never let this happen)
7) every new patch released has created more issues than it has fixed
8) The game is way too expensive to have that many issues. I have never paid for a more buggier game in my life
9) the list of complaints posted is 10 times larger than the list of legitimate players comments of good things about the game (I say legitimate players because there are so many trolls responding to the complainers instead of just posting their own good comments - a terrible form of debunking the actual players)
10) Their effort of paying trolls to attempt to paint a better picture of the game then the game can actually provide would be effort better served by addressing the issues, not the complainer(s)
11) I don't trust a company that goes to those extents to justify their poor release, poor coding, poor payment securement, poor judgement on sending trolls to debunk the player based complaints, poor methods of support resolution, poor planning for a release that would make them stand out from other MMO's....... but worst of all, I was suckered into paying for this type of environment.....
.....and I could go on and on but this is the short of it. I will continue to read the progression of comments because it validates everything I have seen with this game and the way it's staff deals with it's customers so far.3 -
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✭✭✭Yes, I feel the population is strong and many users will sub/return in the coming months as more fixes/content is released.I'm waiting to see what happens when they introduce the thieves guild and dark brotherhood. I like the changes they have mentioned they are working on. I want to see what sort of changes they make to fix grouping, the lag in cyrodiil and the copypasta of the open world solo dungeons. There's just something about the game that makes me believe it is worth sticking around for.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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Alazarz✭✭✭Yes, the DEV are quick to address issues when compared to other MMOs. This gives me confidence that the game is on the up and up.The game hasn't even been out for three months and people are already making polls on a if the game is making a "comeback"? As if ESO is some has been MMO that's been out for years, prepped to make a comeback!! Shame on the OP.
As with any MMO:
1) The complaining you see on the forums is the very vocal minority.
2) The game has a surge of players in the beginning and shortly after, weeds out those who do not want to be here. Thus thinning out the player base.
These 2 things are nothing new and are common knowledge. /thread... because it isn't even a valid poll to begin with.
Kind Regards,
Alazarz
Edited by Alazarz on June 14, 2014 8:58PM2 -
ers101284b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, I feel the population is strong and many users will sub/return in the coming months as more fixes/content is released.TheScorpion wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »TheScorpion wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »I think it's too soon for any type of pronouncement of failure, sucess, comeback, etc. Of course the game will experiance a drop off of subs after the 30 days you get buying ends. That happens with every game. And yes there are problems, but many are being fixed. Try the poll in a year, then it may be meaningful.
Are you for real? You telling us people spend the initial cost of the game for only one month of play? Not sure what world you are from but NOBODY I know will spend that kind of money to test the waters. These people bought the game because they wanted to play the game. Leaving after the free month is done only says ONE thing about the game, IT'S NOT WORTH THE MONEY THEY WANT FOR IT TO PLAY!
Yeah and we should all listen to the guy who doesn't even play. Half of the player base always leaves every new MMO. Oh No! this is an MMO so halfthe players leave just like every MMO out there. Holy Crap who would of thought it.
Well, the only way you would know if I play or not is if you are on the ESO payrol. Having said that, I don't play for a lot of reasons, the biggest is they used invalid methods of securing their subscription from me so they could ensure they got another $80 from another unsuspecting player. The list of reasons is long but here are a few of them:
1) their system of testing payment plans was flawed in that they formed the reoccurring charge with a non-reoccurring test of a $1 transaction on my paypal account instead of a real reoccurring test. (Could easily be fixed by taking the first reoccurring payment right from the get go since we obviously want to play otherwise we wouldn't have spent the initial fee and signed up to continue to pay/play)
Paypal has a prepaid credit card attached which won't allow reoccurring payments. (which it's their responsibility to ensure their payment plan(s) are not flawed, not mine... a proper test of a reoccurring charge would have prevented this for me and many others yet all their paid trollers tried really hard to pin that responsibility on me)
2) they have not returned any of my emails once I expressed my concerns about this and they only 'suggest' buying their game time card for way more money as the only solution and no appologies for making such a huge overlooked mistake.
3) they pay trolls like you to thwart the unhappy customer's who have genuine concerns by providing rude comments to the people who complain. Who wants to be part of a community comprised of members with that attitude, especially when 95% of the complaints are valid and legitimate.
4) having to wait for a complete game download everytime a patch is released
5) the ESO forum community comprises of a bunch of people with so much negativity towards their fellow community member(s) that express ANY negative concerns about the game and it's playability.
6) seeing the price of a new copy of the game for way less somewhere else than they sell it for any reason at all (they could have formed a contract guaranteeing their retailers to never let this happen)
7) every new patch released has created more issues than it has fixed
8) The game is way too expensive to have that many issues. I have never paid for a more buggier game in my life
9) the list of complaints posted is 10 times larger than the list of legitimate players comments of good things about the game (I say legitimate players because there are so many trolls responding to the complainers instead of just posting their own good comments - a terrible form of debunking the actual players)
10) Their effort of paying trolls to attempt to paint a better picture of the game then the game can actually provide would be effort better served by addressing the issues, not the complainer(s)
11) I don't trust a company that goes to those extents to justify their poor release, poor coding, poor payment securement, poor judgement on sending trolls to debunk the player based complaints, poor methods of support resolution, poor planning for a release that would make them stand out from other MMO's....... but worst of all, I was suckered into paying for this type of environment.....
.....and I could go on and on but this is the short of it. I will continue to read the progression of comments because it validates everything I have seen with this game and the way it's staff deals with it's customers so far.
No I am not on the ESO payroll I only knew you didn't play because of the way you acted in your post.
1. I agree their payment method was stupid. I don't know anyone who agreed with their payment style.
2. I don't know what was int he emails you sent but there is a good chance if it was in the very beginning they where backed up. Things may have gotten lost since behind those emails are people who do and will make mistakes. I have always been responded to quickly and got my stuff fixed.
3. How do you know they pay trolls to thwart unhappy people? I don't see them deleting anything negative unless it turns into people cussing each other out or is just not helping in anyway shape or form. I have seen Wildstar forums deleting every negative post that goes up.
4. Why are you waiting for a whole game download? I download the patch just like every other MMO out there and it works fine.
5. This goes both ways. Fans understand that people have complaints but yelling "Fix Dis Crap!!" isn't really helping anyone out. Also 200 posts about the exact same thing that has already been addressed also not helping. "Dis Sux I Quits" also not helping and makes people want you to just quit and go away.
6. Games go down in price. This happens. Some companies get a bigger discount the more they buy. ESO was a huge release and there are so many places to buy it some places will lower the price to compete.
7. The patches make the game run better for me each time. My FPS has been growing, lag has been getting less and less. But who's going to complain more, 100 people playing or 1 guy who can't? Guarantee the people in game are actually playing and not complaining they can't log on.
8. I call Bullcrap on that one because there where way worse launches than this. Skyrim had wayyyyyyy more bugs at launch than this did.
9. How do you know how many legitimate players there are if you don't play and you don't work for ESO?
10.Again how do you know they are paying anyone to troll complainers? Where are you getting this information?
11. They haven't justified anything. Even the lead designer acknowledged t the low scores the game got and said they are taking all reviews good and bad into account to approve the game.
So far all you have done is bash and hate on a game you don't play. Sounds more like someone who wanted the game to fail at the gate and just hopping on the hate wagon. Is this game for everyone? NO. Will Everyone enjoy the game? No. Does that mean this game is going to fail? No. I understand that there are legitimate complaints but don't try to act like you know everything about the game because you can read the forums.
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Yes, I feel the population is strong and many users will sub/return in the coming months as more fixes/content is released.If people start assuming that those that support the game are on the payroll of the developers, then we might, with the same (incredibly flawed) logic assume that the naysayers are on the payroll of other companies, spread here to sow dissent. If we do go by such logics, then we might as well disregard anything those that speak negatively say wholly.
And yes, I realize such accusations were not made, but it would be the same logic.Edited by TheMagicalSpiff on June 14, 2014 9:21PM2 -
You are correct that logic could server the opposite purpose but that is NOT the case here as it's pretty obvious the person I quoted is on the payroll if they know I don't play. When someone makes a comment that can only be deduced by an employee, then the rest of the members need to see it for what it is. Every comment that tries to push blame on the end user only serves to validate for me, everything I have said so far as a result of what I see here. Spend your time helping management with solution idea's instead of pushing all your hate on the members. After all, it's the members that are trying to support the game by sticking it out and if they feel like they are at the end of their rope with the game then there must be valid reasons for it. The forums speak for themselves!0
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comeback? what the heck? never realized the game left
seriously ,people just need to play the game and stop with this nonsense
you don't like the game? don't think you got what you paid for ? move on........1 -
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✭✭✭Yes, I feel the population is strong and many users will sub/return in the coming months as more fixes/content is released.TheScorpion wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »I think it's too soon for any type of pronouncement of failure, sucess, comeback, etc. Of course the game will experiance a drop off of subs after the 30 days you get buying ends. That happens with every game. And yes there are problems, but many are being fixed. Try the poll in a year, then it may be meaningful.
Are you for real? You telling us people spend the initial cost of the game for only one month of play? Not sure what world you are from but NOBODY I know will spend that kind of money to test the waters. These people bought the game because they wanted to play the game. Leaving after the free month is done only says ONE thing about the game, IT'S NOT WORTH THE MONEY THEY WANT FOR IT TO PLAY!
You made it obvious you don't play. Don't have to be on payroll to know how to read.1 -
Yes, I feel the population is strong and many users will sub/return in the coming months as more fixes/content is released.TheScorpion wrote: »You are correct that logic could server the opposite purpose but that is NOT the case here as it's pretty obvious the person I quoted is on the payroll if they know I don't play. When someone makes a comment that can only be deduced by an employee, then the rest of the members need to see it for what it is. Every comment that tries to push blame on the end user only serves to validate for me, everything I have said so far as a result of what I see here. Spend your time helping management with solution idea's instead of pushing all your hate on the members. After all, it's the members that are trying to support the game by sticking it out and if they feel like they are at the end of their rope with the game then there must be valid reasons for it. The forums speak for themselves!
And what if you consider that the people that enjoy the game don't spend time on the forums, bar checking the news every now and then? Just because a lot of people shout one thing does not make it true. If I gathered a hundred people and said that blue is the colour of the devil, it would not make it true just because two-hundred people rally around us and say that blue is, in fact, not the devil.
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✭Yes, the DEV are quick to address issues when compared to other MMOs. This gives me confidence that the game is on the up and up.I believe in you , DEVs!
Address the balance issues, maybe, unbind class skills from magicka, do something so we can play our classes but wouldn't have to be mages in light armor.. and everything will be fine.3 -
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My comment had absolutely nothing in it that you could have made you to think I don't play, in fact the very opposite! I paid to play, not be caught up in the companies lack of planning, testing and execution. Now I'm out the $80 and STILL have not heard back with a solution that makes me feel that customer support actually cares about their player base and ignoring my emails does just the opposite.
Me not playing is by THEIR choice, not mine! They won't take my money nor have they even changed their subscription signing page to provide a warning to anyone else that might try paying using the same method as I did. They just keep accepting the initial purchase of the game regardless.
If support was sincere and was looking out for their paying customers, a lot of issues causing players to leave would have been fixed by now. No I don't play! Yes I'm ticked off for the reasons I can't play!
No - I am not a happy customer! Yes I shall voice my opinion so long as I have paid for something I can't use due to their short comings. I haven't played for over a week and a half now because of their way of doing business. Call me a nay sayer, call me anything you want! It won't change the facts! They are sealing their own fate!
The only thing I have left to be concerned about is being out the $80 I paid to a company that operates the way they do. I would have rather put that money into Neverwinter ZEN to purchase in game items that would add to my entertainment enjoyment but being a long time TES fan, I gave ESO a shot to support what I always thought to be a great franchise of games regardless of the fact I didn't want to be locked into a subscription initially. I now wish I would have went with my gut feeling on buying this game.0 -
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✭✭✭Yes, I feel the population is strong and many users will sub/return in the coming months as more fixes/content is released.TheScorpion wrote: »@ers101284b14_ESO
My comment had absolutely nothing in it that you could have made you to think I don't play, in fact the very opposite! I paid to play, not be caught up in the companies lack of planning, testing and execution. Now I'm out the $80 and STILL have not heard back with a solution that makes me feel that customer support actually cares about their player base and ignoring my emails does just the opposite.
Me not playing is by THEIR choice, not mine! They won't take my money nor have they even changed their subscription signing page to provide a warning to anyone else that might try paying using the same method as I did. They just keep accepting the initial purchase of the game regardless.
If support was sincere and was looking out for their paying customers, a lot of issues causing players to leave would have been fixed by now. No I don't play! Yes I'm ticked off for the reasons I can't play!
No - I am not a happy customer! Yes I shall voice my opinion so long as I have paid for something I can't use due to their short comings. I haven't played for over a week and a half now because of their way of doing business. Call me a nay sayer, call me anything you want! It won't change the facts! They are sealing their own fate!
The only thing I have left to be concerned about is being out the $80 I paid to a company that operates the way they do. I would have rather put that money into Neverwinter ZEN to purchase in game items that would add to my entertainment enjoyment but being a long time TES fan, I gave ESO a shot to support what I always thought to be a great franchise of games regardless of the fact I didn't want to be locked into a subscription initially. I now wish I would have went with my gut feeling on buying this game.
Write them on Facebook along with your ticket number. Seems to go quicker. You can be unhappy all you want but it's a business that deals with more than just 1 person. If you don't think they care at all about you your right. But they do care about the money. You can even go over to the Dev Tracker to see that they have people just to answer questions. Any time I have had any problem I wrote them on Facebook and it was solved in an hour.
All your contradictions make it hard to take you seriously. You claim that the game is not worth paying for yet your trying to pay for it and upset that you can't pay to play. So technically you would be playing except your not playing which makes me right to begin with.Edited by ers101284b14_ESO on June 14, 2014 10:26PM0 -
iuki✭✭No, the number of issues this game has at its current state indicates it is still struggling and losing the battleIf people start assuming that those that support the game are on the payroll of the developers, then we might, with the same (incredibly flawed) logic assume that the naysayers are on the payroll of other companies, spread here to sow dissent. If we do go by such logics, then we might as well disregard anything those that speak negatively say wholly.
And yes, I realize such accusations were not made, but it would be the same logic.
Can you please explain to me how a triple AAA MMO is supposed to be wildly successful if they don't put in any sort of end game at all?
"Just wait guis, we will add more soon (tm)!"
How many bloody times have I heard that one...?
Answer: to many, way to many. And do most deliver that promise? NOPE!
W/e. I doubt any fanboi here is under the payroll, that's giving zeni way to much credit since they know they will have people do it for free. It's not like they would personally come up here and defend their game or even actually talk to us beyond forum policing. SILENCE PEASANTS!Edited by iuki on June 14, 2014 10:29PM4 -
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✭✭✭Yes, I feel the population is strong and many users will sub/return in the coming months as more fixes/content is released.If people start assuming that those that support the game are on the payroll of the developers, then we might, with the same (incredibly flawed) logic assume that the naysayers are on the payroll of other companies, spread here to sow dissent. If we do go by such logics, then we might as well disregard anything those that speak negatively say wholly.
And yes, I realize such accusations were not made, but it would be the same logic.
Can you please explain to me how a triple AAA MMO is supposed to be wildly successful if they don't put in any sort of end game at all?
"Just wait guis, we will add more soon (tm)!"
How many bloody times have I heard that one...?
Answer: to many, way to many.
W/e. I doubt any fanboi here is under the payroll, that's giving zeni way to much credit since they know they will have people do it for free. It's not like they would personally come up here and defend their game or even actually talk to us beyond forum policing. SILENCE PEASANTS!
Had they put in tons of endgame it still wouldn't be enough. PRobably have it just not releaseing it so they have a reason to release content patches later.
Also
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/tracker
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