Does Entropy Rising Get Special Treatment?

Vis · June 2014

If the devs listened only to me, all sorcs would fly on black unicorns that poop exploding pop tarts over their foes.

So, I guess I can't fault them for looking for diverse sources of information.

That being said, who wants me to be their sorc dev?

BadgerRider1 · June 2014

Evandus wrote: »

People being willing to work unpaid and on their offtime to gather information needed to improve the game experience should be appluaded.

No. Absolutely not. Such people should have more experienced people that care for them explain why placing work above their own needs will cause them serious harm in the long run. It is not laudable to work longer hours for free (and in many cases, it may even violate federal law).

Such efforts, wrongly seen as dedication by the uninformed is not sustainable and diminishes the quality of work for the company and the quality of life for the individual.

Any company that actually cares for its workers would absolutely find this to be counter-productive and prohibit it's people from doing it.

Evandus · June 2014

BadgerRider1 wrote: »

Evandus wrote: »

People being willing to work unpaid and on their offtime to gather information needed to improve the game experience should be appluaded.

No. Absolutely not. Such people should have more experienced people that care for them explain why placing work above their own needs will cause them serious harm in the long run. It is not laudable to work longer hours for free (and in many cases, it may even violate federal law).

Such efforts, wrongly seen as dedication by the uninformed is not sustainable and diminishes the quality of work for the company and the quality of life for the individual.

Any company that actually cares for its workers would absolutely find this to be counter-productive and prohibit it's people from doing it.

As an ER/Surgery worker, I respectfully disagree. You get the job done, otherwise things die.

Vis · June 2014

BadgerRider1 wrote: »

Evandus wrote: »

People being willing to work unpaid and on their offtime to gather information needed to improve the game experience should be appluaded.

No. Absolutely not. Such people should have more experienced people that care for them explain why placing work above their own needs will cause them serious harm in the long run. It is not laudable to work longer hours for free (and in many cases, it may even violate federal law).

Such efforts, wrongly seen as dedication by the uninformed is not sustainable and diminishes the quality of work for the company and the quality of life for the individual.

Any company that actually cares for its workers would absolutely find this to be counter-productive and prohibit it's people from doing it.

Unions are illegal in Tameriel you know?

I think only Jessica can decide what is a good balance for herself. None of us are her mommy... I think.

BadgerRider1 · June 2014

Evandus wrote: »

As an ER/Surgery worker, I respectfully disagree. You get the job done, otherwise things die.

So how many times did you work ER/Surgery for free or from home?

Venithar · June 2014

Vis wrote: »

^Holy Mother of Long-Winded Responses

Though I agree with you that it would be nice to read more:

"I see you're all upset. I acknowledge you exist. We're aware of it and have plans. Let me contact Entropy Rising and see what they think we should do."

Fixed

Vis · June 2014

BadgerRider1 wrote: »

Evandus wrote: »

As an ER/Surgery worker, I respectfully disagree. You get the job done, otherwise things die.

So how many times did you work ER/Surgery for free or from home?

I can personally vouch that he operated on me on his dining room table last week. And so far no bill... so at least once I guess.

Vis · June 2014

Venithar wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

^Holy Mother of Long-Winded Responses

Though I agree with you that it would be nice to read more:

"I see you're all upset. I acknowledge you exist. We're aware of it and have plans. Let me contact Entropy Rising and see what they think we should do."

Fixed

What would I do without you?

jdroebuckb16_ESO · June 2014

For my sins I've read every post on this thread. Even the TLDR ones that had walls of text critting my eyes for 3000hp instagib.

It's a fascinating debate. My summarised conclusions:

1. ER seem a decent guild doing their best for the game, albeit with some members a little aloof and arrogant in their posting ways.
2. The fact a dev safeguarded a guild name does worry me, that shouldn't happen, regardless of how trolling the other guildmaster was. Unless there is a reserve feature for all, its always been a name reserve race for all games.
3. Perception is more important than reality. Therefore the fact this debate exists shows something is wrong somewhere.
4. The root cause of the issue is a lack of communication by ZOS, such that its bred a feeling of inequality. This needs addressing soon.
5. Templars (my class) are still woefully underpowered.

I'm sure my feedback will fade away amongst the myriad of angry tirades but it's taken with no bias against either side.

BadgerRider1 · June 2014

Vis wrote: »

I think only Jessica can decide what is a good balance for herself. None of us are her mommy... I think.

So, rather than getting rested and decompressed, she is continuing her job on her own time. I'm not her mommy, nor do I wish to be, but as her boss, I would be very concerned that she, as an "agent of the company" would, in her non rested state, commit or even compromise the integrity of the company by a tired and ill considered "official" response.

She is what she is, an "agent of the company", with all of the legal ramifications thereof. Would you take that risk? Or allow her to do so?

I would not.

Evandus · June 2014

BadgerRider1 wrote: »

Evandus wrote: »

As an ER/Surgery worker, I respectfully disagree. You get the job done, otherwise things die.

So how many times did you work ER/Surgery for free or from home?

Haha, well put

A better question would be I think, " How many times did I not make it home on time, if at all, because the patient required constant intervention?"

Either way, we have some philosophical differences. Nothing new there. Almost everyone in my circle of family/friends can't handle 18hr workdays. Not everyone should be able to really. But those of us who can and do... do.

On topic though - I fail to see how needing to balance the game, and spending some off time gathering additional feedback is a horrible thing. Hell, I'd love to save lives at home. Relaxing at my desk, while partaking of my favorite beer and a steak. That would be awesome!

Make it so number one!

BadgerRider1 · June 2014

Vis wrote: »

BadgerRider1 wrote: »

Evandus wrote: »

As an ER/Surgery worker, I respectfully disagree. You get the job done, otherwise things die.

So how many times did you work ER/Surgery for free or from home?

I can personally vouch that he operated on me on his dining room table last week. And so far no bill... so at least once I guess.

LOL. Whether or not I agree with you......I like you.

Vis · June 2014

jdroebuckb16_ESO wrote: »

For my sins I've read every post on this thread. Even the TLDR ones that had walls of text critting my eyes for 3000hp instagib.

It's a fascinating debate. My summarised conclusions:

5. Templars (my class) are still woefully underpowered.

I respect your ninja skills.

BadgerRider1 · June 2014

jdroebuckb16_ESO wrote: »

For my sins I've read every post on this thread. Even the TLDR ones that had walls of text critting my eyes for 3000hp instagib.

It's a fascinating debate. My summarised conclusions:

1. ER seem a decent guild doing their best for the game, albeit with some members a little aloof and arrogant in their posting ways.
2. The fact a dev safeguarded a guild name does worry me, that shouldn't happen, regardless of how trolling the other guildmaster was. Unless there is a reserve feature for all, its always been a name reserve race for all games.
3. Perception is more important than reality. Therefore the fact this debate exists shows something is wrong somewhere.
4. The root cause of the issue is a lack of communication by ZOS, such that its bred a feeling of inequality. This needs addressing soon.
5. Templars (my class) are still woefully underpowered.

I'm sure my feedback will fade away amongst the myriad of angry tirades but it's taken with no bias against either side.

Well, if it counts for much, I appreciate what you wrote and found it honest and well written.

BadgerRider1 · June 2014

Evandus wrote: »

Either way, we have some philosophical differences. Nothing new there. Almost everyone in my circle of family/friends can't handle 18hr workdays. Not everyone should be able to really. But those of us who can and do... do.

On topic though - I fail to see how needing to balance the game, and spending some off time gathering additional feedback is a horrible thing. Hell, I'd love to save lives at home. Relaxing at my desk, while partaking of my favorite beer and a steak. That would be awesome!

Make it so number one!

Philosophical differences aside, I do appreciate and thank you for the work that you do. You help save lives, and that is laudable in anyone's book! Thank you!

My aside to Jessica was after my comments on what I wanted community managers to do and was meant to be a cautionary word from a very experienced person from the corporate world.

I admire dedication to work, and balancing the game, fixing broken things is surely important to those who come here to find some measure of relaxed recreation, but I don't want to see her (or anyone) caught up, to the point of personal detriment, in doing so.

You are so very correct in stating that most of us can't/shouldn't do the 18 hour days....but sometimes it is necessary (Police/military/medical)......I just don't see community manager of a game as being one of those positions.

limeli8 · June 2014

The more i read these forums the more i really wish that the forums would automatically post info of in game characters of all the people who post so we could see all these whiners and how much they actually accomplished in the game and if their opinions are even deserving to be listened to.

There is a reason for a legal drinking age and for voting and for getting a drives licence and so on. Some lvl 10 posing about how pvp is not balanced or w/e and plz nerf everything! Should be laughed at not listened to!

In several other games i was able to search and find in game accounts of the most vocal people on forums and wasn't surprised when i discovered that over half of them didn't even play the game. The only reason they even had a game account was just so they can sit on forums and rage all day about pretty much anything while constantly refreshing the page as if this was FB and they were checking responses on their new status change.

Anyways, all that being said, Zos does try to talk to everyone i mean i can actually think of about 5 guilds just of the top of my head and only about 2 could be counted as elite or w/e. But yes some players are more knowledgeable than others and they do ask those players and those guilds about some complicated things.

Here is an example
Zos - "Hey guys have you seen that perma invisibility bug that is often caused by the invis bats swarm morph and do you know by chance exactly what triggers it?"
Guild "yes we have this one player who uses that morph lets ask him"
player "blah blah is whats causing it i'm pretty sure, i have tested it extensively"
Zos "ok we'll check it out"

And that's about how it goes, and nobody comes into guild voice chat to give out some secret info. As far as game mechanics go - some of us spend countless hours testing different skills and weapon sets and w/e to figure things out and yes we will know more about that stuff than other people because we took our time to find out.

BadgerRider1 · June 2014

limeli8 wrote: »

The more i read these forums the more i really wish that the forums would automatically post info of in game characters of all the people who post so we could see all these whiners and how much they actually accomplished in the game and if their opinions are even deserving to be listened to.

So, you are suggesting that you have to have accomplished a lot in this game in order to be listened to?

What do you mean by accomplished? What is a lot?

What if I am a master craftsman of all crafts but never have completed a trial?

What if I have played every class up to 50 but have never done pvp?

What if I am tops of pvp but have never done a quest over level 10 or a public dungeon?

What if I've never figured out a spec or rotation on my own, but just "read it somewhere"?

What if I'm part of the top trials team or achieved a worlds first, but had my guildies tell me how to spec/play?

What if?

You! Are what's wrong with this game!

jdroebuckb16_ESO · June 2014

Vis wrote: »

jdroebuckb16_ESO wrote: »

For my sins I've read every post on this thread. Even the TLDR ones that had walls of text critting my eyes for 3000hp instagib.

It's a fascinating debate. My summarised conclusions:

5. Templars (my class) are still woefully underpowered.

I respect your ninja skills.

I thank thee good sir!

My hope was that my list of five make the cut in some form on "internal forum feedback bulletin" and I reinforce the templar problem. That said, I am hoping England beat Italy tonight but you don't always get what you hope for

Mablung · June 2014

limeli8 wrote: »

snip nonsensical rant is nonsensical.

Drink much?

Turelus · June 2014

Communication with players is a good thing but this is something which should be accessible by the whole community.

ZOS having their own favourites they're willing to take personal time with to sit down and chat with is only going to cause problems. It doesn't matter if it's time out of hours, the end result is you're saying "these players are worth my time more than these players". If you want to have a system where you sit and chat with players for feedback create something like CCP/EVE Online's CSM where there are elected players to represent the community and we know who these players are and what they stand for.

If ZOS do insist on spending time on private TS servers chatting with players it needs to be recorded and published for the community as a whole to listen to afterwards, or a situation where the developers are giving out no information which isn't already public.

Letting a small group of players have privileged information no matter how small is going to lead to game abuse via market trading, item hoarding or knowledge of upcoming nerfs/buffs weeks in advance of their release.

I'm in full support of ZOS talking with the community and working forward, but I will admit I feel a little saddened that a small group have been given this level of access while the officially owned forums are left with token responses to only control rage threads.

Evandus · June 2014

BadgerRider1 wrote: »

Evandus wrote: »

Either way, we have some philosophical differences. Nothing new there. Almost everyone in my circle of family/friends can't handle 18hr workdays. Not everyone should be able to really. But those of us who can and do... do.

On topic though - I fail to see how needing to balance the game, and spending some off time gathering additional feedback is a horrible thing. Hell, I'd love to save lives at home. Relaxing at my desk, while partaking of my favorite beer and a steak. That would be awesome!

Make it so number one!

Philosophical differences aside, I do appreciate and thank you for the work that you do. You help save lives, and that is laudable in anyone's book! Thank you!

My aside to Jessica was after my comments on what I wanted community managers to do and was meant to be a cautionary word from a very experienced person from the corporate world.

I admire dedication to work, and balancing the game, fixing broken things is surely important to those who come here to find some measure of relaxed recreation, but I don't want to see her (or anyone) caught up, to the point of personal detriment, in doing so.

You are so very correct in stating that most of us can't/shouldn't do the 18 hour days....but sometimes it is necessary (Police/military/medical)......I just don't see community manager of a game as being one of those positions.

Well said. Admittedly my corporate culture knowledge is about zero. Not my thing.

Now stop logically countering me before I'm forced to post Charlie Sheen 'Winning' memes!

Phantorang · June 2014

Cogo wrote: »

I am adding @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
to this post since I DO represent a part of the ESO playerbase who are playing ESO and understood what type of game it is.

Sadly I think the reason why the DEVS looks elsewhere then these forums for feedback is that "we" very seldom neither supply accurate nor ESO game feedback.

What you find as complaints on ESO forums are whiners that wants to make ESO into WoW or another personal favorite game of the user, who has only suggestions about making characters or skills more powerful. Total fantasies about "how ESO should be".

NOTHNG like "Good work on balancing"
"We can see the improvements, but what about this X?"

And this community sadly isn't worth mentioning how few actually are PLAYING the game. Some have rushed to highest level, missed the whole game and whines, then hopefully quits.

The rest makes up complaint after complaint about things Zenimax never said anything about being in game. Simply put, most forum users on these ESO forums have their own little idea what eso "should" be, instead of understanding what TYPE of MMO it is.

Of course the DEVS can not take us seriously if we complain that for example EVE online should stop making ships and play on a planet instead........totally different game!

I am sorry, but ESO was built years before any of you here even started to dream up complaint after complaint. You do not have a leg to stand on if you claim ESO needs this and that feature from YOUR personal view, to make everything easy to survive. NO THEY DONT!

EVEN when the mods communicates so well, which I've never seen in any MMO before, "we" answer with more nagging. ESO provides a complete list of WHAT TO COME IN A FUTURE PATCH. Every MMO releases the patch when its done, not before.

Zenimax is giving us loads of information, and how do we respond?
"what numbers are there...to little info...why isn't my skill buffed, why cant you take away all the classes. You nerfed one vastly overpowered skill so I quit!"

Complete and utter useless information for Zenimax to even start to base improvements on.

And please compare Zenimax to most other MMOs when it comes to show what the short - medium and long term plan is.

NOT even the giant WoW does that. They release SOME info about the next upcoming expansion, which in EVERY case has changed one way or the other.

STILL, Zenimax is here, monitoring ours forums and scans for actual helpful feedback, which is someone who got through the flamers who love to post negative thing, and outright took the information, acted on it and BOM, Fix/effect. There already are several examples where Zenimax have taken our feedback and improved both the forums and the game with it.

It probebly takes 10 more people to get any useful feedback from us here, then communicating with guilds or other sites that states their feedback in a way where Zenimax can decide if this is needed and add it to their work.

If you would talk about ANY favoritism, then its the users on these forums, where 90% never really have any interest in playing ESO, but want a skyrim with WoW, or some RP FPS game?!?!?!

I am glad that Zenimax seeks information whereever they can get it, so they work on the "right" path.

For the few of you who have logged into ESO this week, and are not blind, then you have noticed an vast increase in players, all over Tamriel, EXCEPT in Graglorn, because the players who do enjoy ESO, PLAYS the game.....they dont grind it, half-cheat by following google maps and get to high level IN A WEEK!!!!

Of course the first end game isn't fully done already. It will be under the coming month when more and more REAL ESO players reaching higher levels.

When we as ESO community on ESOs own forums starts to act like players who do feedback bugs/suggestions etc, and dont get a sudden memory loss about ALL the good work Zenimax have done with the game already. THEN we will get more attention......

Zenimax have shown us a plan, they sticking to it, ONLY to change priority if a major problem occurs. Like Cyrodiil lag, which they are working on.

If we do a search among the most common word on these forums among the same 50 or so users, it will come up with 2 words. Unsub and FTP.

I hope Zenimax keeps this very good communication to us players who wants a working game and who wants to help. Most of us have sent in several bug reports and reported ever single Bot/goldfarmer spam there was.

Which BTW, are almost gone from ESO. How can that be.....the game is active with players? The battle Zenimax doing against goldsellers and the fact that the ESO TYPE of player is NOT a goldbuyer. We LIKE to earn things in game. We ENJOY playing the game and finding that skyshard. No way we would pay someone else for that??!?!

IF you have any interest in improving ESO as the game it IS, then stop the constant bickering among eachother, come up with what is not working....NOT WHAT YOU THINK SHOULD NOT BE OR BE IN THE GAME.

ESO have a great potential to become a long term, very enjoyable MMO, but as Zenimax have stated themselves, they need us to help them on the right path.

My own list what needs to work:
- Cyrodiil lag problem
- Connection problem for players
- Education in what ESO is and that its NOT dangerous to ask someone to group up!
- Keep to their plan, with flexible time when to add what.
- Fixes of bugs - never ends for any MMO
- Balancing - Never ends for ANY MMO with some sort of PvP in it.

Most important, GIVE THEM A BREAK AND LET THEM WORK!

Best regards
Cogo - Kurnn Hatemachine of the guild Nephilim in service of the Ebonheart Pact

Please NERF this Wall of Text.

EDIT: Calling names doesnt help.

BadgerRider1 · June 2014

Phantorang wrote: »

Please NERF this Wall of Text.

LOL....I agree! But, as an aside, quoting the wall in it's entirety probably isn't helping matters.

Phantorang · June 2014

BadgerRider1 wrote: »

Phantorang wrote: »

Please NERF this Wall of Text.

LOL....I agree! But, as an aside, quoting the wall in it's entirety probably isn't helping matters.

Hehe true, was just overwhelmed

Ojustaboo · June 2014

limeli8 wrote: »

The more i read these forums the more i really wish that the forums would automatically post info of in game characters of all the people who post so we could see all these whiners and how much they actually accomplished in the game and if their opinions are even deserving to be listened to.

There is a reason for a legal drinking age and for voting and for getting a drives licence and so on. Some lvl 10 posing about how pvp is not balanced or w/e and plz nerf everything! Should be laughed at not listened to!

In several other games i was able to search and find in game accounts of the most vocal people on forums and wasn't surprised when i discovered that over half of them didn't even play the game. The only reason they even had a game account was just so they can sit on forums and rage all day about pretty much anything while constantly refreshing the page as if this was FB and they were checking responses on their new status change.

Anyways, all that being said, Zos does try to talk to everyone i mean i can actually think of about 5 guilds just of the top of my head and only about 2 could be counted as elite or w/e. But yes some players are more knowledgeable than others and they do ask those players and those guilds about some complicated things.

Here is an example
Zos - "Hey guys have you seen that perma invisibility bug that is often caused by the invis bats swarm morph and do you know by chance exactly what triggers it?"
Guild "yes we have this one player who uses that morph lets ask him"
player "blah blah is whats causing it i'm pretty sure, i have tested it extensively"
Zos "ok we'll check it out"

And that's about how it goes, and nobody comes into guild voice chat to give out some secret info. As far as game mechanics go - some of us spend countless hours testing different skills and weapon sets and w/e to figure things out and yes we will know more about that stuff than other people because we took our time to find out.

Reading the tone of your post, if you are one of those being spoken to by Zenimax, then I think every single person on here that had raised concerns, will read what you said and consider it evidence that their concerns are totally justified.

And if you can't see why, it only justifies peoples concerns even more.

For your info, I'm vet 3, however if I found things not working as I liked when I was level 10, my concerns then are just as valid as any of my concerns now.

I've played PvP since level 10, guess what, I didn't need to be very high to realise that vamps were being abused before they were correctly nerfed. I group with my guild, some end level players, some much lower level, and when a low level finds a proplem, usually the vets have found the same problem.

Also, Zenimax designed this game not for just for people who rush to vet 12 (not saying people shouldn't rush, their choice), but for everyone. Some of my guild are vet 12, others are the sort of players that explore everywhere, read every book they find, play alts, and will probably not be at vet 12 for years but still enjoy PvP, you are saying their opinions don't count, I say their opinions are just as valid as those rushing to get to vet 12 asap.

limeli8 · June 2014

BadgerRider1 wrote: »

limeli8 wrote: »

The more i read these forums the more i really wish that the forums would automatically post info of in game characters of all the people who post so we could see all these whiners and how much they actually accomplished in the game and if their opinions are even deserving to be listened to.

So, you are suggesting that you have to have accomplished a lot in this game in order to be listened to?

What do you mean by accomplished? What is a lot?

What if I am a master craftsman of all crafts but never have completed a trial?

What if I have played every class up to 50 but have never done pvp?

What if I am tops of pvp but have never done a quest over level 10 or a public dungeon?

What if I've never figured out a spec or rotation on my own, but just "read it somewhere"?

What if I'm part of the top trials team or achieved a worlds first, but had my guildies tell me how to spec/play?

What if?

You! Are what's wrong with this game!

1 What if I am a master craftsman of all crafts but never have completed a trial?
Then your input on crafting would be valued but not your input on trials

2 What if I have played every class up to 50 but have never done pvp?
Then your leveling experience using all classes especially tough story line fights could be something that you can share your insight on but not on pvp

3 What if I am tops of pvp but have never done a quest over level 10 or a public dungeon?
Obviously your pvp related input would be great but outside fo pvp you wouldn't know much. And certainly shouldn't be able to call for a quest nerf for example.

4 What if I've never figured out a spec or rotation on my own, but just "read it somewhere"?
Then you likely don't have any passion for the game - making new specs and rotations is one of the best things about this game.

5 What if I'm part of the top trials team or achieved a worlds first, but had my guildies tell me how to spec/play?
If you were able to do it successfully and preform just as good as them to get that #1 then you deserve it although more initiative on your part would be something to work on.

As in real life you wouldn't ask a guy at a McDonnalds drive though for legal advise. In game you should also know what sort of game related credentials people have when they post about in game issues.

Turelus · June 2014

Stonesthrow wrote: »

Jess says they are going to work at communicating with the community more in the coming weeks, give her the benefit of the doubt.

They have been saying that since the first state of the game address, it's still not happening.
Developers don't post directly on the forums, instead we have to get information to them proxies (normally Jessica and Gina).

Their current post listing known issues being worked on hasn't been updated since May 21st (note this is the day before Craglorn).

A majority of threads which have valid information or warrant an answer often go ignored and Jessica and Gina only post in threads when they become a PR issue or an outright revolt over the issue.

People here don't seem to be too bothered that ZOS are talking with guilds like ER, they're more annoyed that all the information they gain is not then posted on these forums. I as a player shouldn't have to go to a third party forums to get information about what the developers are working on. Specific sets of players also shouldn't have privileged information about updates or changes before the community as a whole either, I doubt any members of ER have signed anything stopping them using that information to their advantage if they wished.

Ignoring that issue that members of ER could get ahead via information only they were privileged to is the point others made here, when there is information about an update, bug, change we deserve to have it posted on these forums.

Phantorang · June 2014

Mablung wrote: »

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »

leave ER alone, they have done a great job for both Zeni and the Community and invested alot of UNPAID time in testing....

blame Zeni ....

ER made so much suggestions that would improve the game, but none/near to non was realised

I do not think anyone here is blaming ER, at least that is not what I have gathered. I completely agree that the fault lies solely with ZOS.

Exactly, most of us thinks it is great that ZoS has dealings with actual players.

@andreas.rudroffb16_ESO , we are concerned though, that these dealings bring more to the table than intended. Even though ZoS might not flat out tell ER about how game mechanics works, we should all know how information can easily be revealed, even though its not intended, thats just how communication works.

Confirming one thing or the other doesnt always require a Yes or No. We have been represtented information that was confirmed from a dev to a ER member.

Intimicy creates trust, this builds both ways, when a hard working guild like ER presents questions, the devs may very easily confirm these questions as right or wrong, no matter how unintended.

I just think such information should be shared with the community.

We should all have access to the information between ZoS and for example ER, that would make it transparent and easier to accept. So when/if we disagre with for example ER, we got the chance to say it.

BadgerRider1 · June 2014

limeli8 wrote: »

As in real life you wouldn't ask a guy at a McDonnalds drive though for legal advise. In game you should also know what sort of game related credentials people have when they post about in game issues.

Fair enough. Now, in your mind, what would qualify a person to discuss a skill, say one learned at level 40?

Is it a person who grabbed that skill at 40 and morphed and used it till level VR12? Or only one who used it in trials, or only one who used it in dungeons? What about PvP?

You are talking about experience, but who's type of experience is to be used as the basis for acceptance/rejection in order to be considered "worthy" of discussing a topic?

Kilmister · June 2014

I would accept this type of "research" by community managers and developers as normal.... if it were not for the pitiful amount of feedback we get from them through official channels on very important issues.

Communication with the whole of the community, not a lucky chosen few should be prioritised and improved as a matter of urgency.

Also, you are leaving yourself open to serious and sound criticism over giving unfair advantage to people through private discussions unless there is a high degree of transparency to your communications with everyone. A few people mentioned EvE communications from developers, there is a reason for the way they do things there, a scandal over cosy relations between developers and players which almost brought the game down....

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