Does Entropy Rising Get Special Treatment?
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Doctoruniverse✭✭✭I agree with Mablung, ZOS conduct has been shameful in this instance.
And trying to save it now only makes it worse.2 -
Reykice✭✭✭✭✭Just like in real life a few are selected to speak and decide for the people...
Why? Because it *** works and you can`t ask your players about something when half of them can`t even pass the damn veteran areas...3 -
Mystborn✭✭✭Shameful?
Seriously? ZoS's community manager, on her personal time reaches out to a number of different guilds to get feedback and you call it shameful?
Shame on you sir, shame on you.8 -
OnlyRecon✭✭Look, No one guild or 5 guilds, whatever, should have exclusive access to developers after launch. Yes it is a common practice during alpha and beta testing.
I have been privy to such guilds in Warhammer and SWtoR and look how those turned out. While I did not speak directly to developers during the alphas and betas I was part of, we did have an avenue in which we as a guild would discuss things and then our 'spokesman' would relay that back to the developer. Guilds generally have very strict rules in regard to this behind the scenes contact.
With that said, it is wrong. We definitely took advantage of the situation by talking about things that affected our play style and builds. We definitely did not look at the development process and how that affects a greater population of gamers outside of the finite amount in our guild.
The impact these exclusive, elitist, guilds have is phenomenal. The developers see it as 'being in touch' with the community when it is actually so far from the truth. Think back to games where developers have been active on forums, answering questions for all to see and partake in. That kind of 2 way forum is what makes a game a success. Not what is happening here in this thread or over at Tamriel Foundry.
This type of exclusivity is what eventually kills the game. The nerfs coming for classes, the 'balancing', the sudden change to fixing NBs-all suggestions from these guilds who 'know' the game.
Nobody has "exclusive access to developers."
1. Multiple guilds have been involved in this process from the start.
2. You're assuming Jess is a developer - she isn't. She's a PR official (public relations) and is, in all of these cases you're defining as a problem, DOING HER JOB.
3. You use the term exclusive to imply that the developers ONLY listen to these groups of players, when in reality they mine all the forums/reddit posts they can find for information regarding player opinions on specific issues.
I'll sum up this post with one quick fact: if you were privy to the many suggestions for changes and fixes proposed by these guilds, I can guarantee you would agree with almost all of them.
On a side note: Nice to see some guys from GW2 over here. I was in your guild for a time and I know you're a great guy with the best intentions, but in this case you're just wrong man.7 -
Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The devs speak with many guilds. In fact my guild has an interview with a zos representative tonight.
They need good, structured feedback from the players, and these forums are absolutely full of whiny, emotionally driven posts, NOT constructive feedback. That is why you don't see much developer activity on the forum.
But don't worry, we're certainly not all minmaxers.PS4 / NA
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Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭amlewis292nub19_ESO wrote: »I know you're a great guy with the best intentions, but in this case you're just wrong man.
I think he is just full of it
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Naming & Shaming]Edited by ZOS_LeroyW on June 13, 2014 8:16PM0 -
Mablung✭✭✭✭✭amlewis292nub19_ESO wrote: »Look, No one guild or 5 guilds, whatever, should have exclusive access to developers after launch. Yes it is a common practice during alpha and beta testing.
I have been privy to such guilds in Warhammer and SWtoR and look how those turned out. While I did not speak directly to developers during the alphas and betas I was part of, we did have an avenue in which we as a guild would discuss things and then our 'spokesman' would relay that back to the developer. Guilds generally have very strict rules in regard to this behind the scenes contact.
With that said, it is wrong. We definitely took advantage of the situation by talking about things that affected our play style and builds. We definitely did not look at the development process and how that affects a greater population of gamers outside of the finite amount in our guild.
The impact these exclusive, elitist, guilds have is phenomenal. The developers see it as 'being in touch' with the community when it is actually so far from the truth. Think back to games where developers have been active on forums, answering questions for all to see and partake in. That kind of 2 way forum is what makes a game a success. Not what is happening here in this thread or over at Tamriel Foundry.
This type of exclusivity is what eventually kills the game. The nerfs coming for classes, the 'balancing', the sudden change to fixing NBs-all suggestions from these guilds who 'know' the game.
Nobody has "exclusive access to developers."
1. Multiple guilds have been involved in this process from the start.
2. You're assuming Jess is a developer - she isn't. She's a PR official (public relations) and is, in all of these cases you're defining as a problem, DOING HER JOB.
3. You use the term exclusive to imply that the developers ONLY listen to these groups of players, when in reality they mine all the forums/reddit posts they can find for information regarding player opinions on specific issues.
I'll sum up this post with one quick fact: if you were privy to the many suggestions for changes and fixes proposed by these guilds, I can guarantee you would agree with almost all of them.
On a side note: Nice to see some guys from GW2 over here. I was in your guild for a time and I know you're a great guy with the best intentions, but in this case you're just wrong man.
That is ok if you do not agree with me, but I am not wrong. Having been involved with specific guilds through alpha/beta is the norm. What is not normal is continuing that dialogue after launch. The forums, even how dysfunctional these can be, are a great source for issues in game.
I am not blaming her, I am blaming the process for which they are gathering information and how that is impacting the player base as a whole.
I do not disagree completely with your third statement, however speaking to individuals does hold greater weight than reading any forum.
In my similar experience, SWtoR, we felt like we had a great impact on the development of the Sith Assassin. An incredibly strong class PvE and PvP. We pushed for certain tweaks and buffs that to this day still apply. Guild influence on development happens. Knowing that this is occuring now in this game sends all sorts of red flags up for me and should for you as well.
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I was watching an ER streaming PTS in Betatimes.
He had 1 VR10 and 3 twinks between 3-15.
Someone still curious why the game had so many bugs at release?
What also is somewhat strange
Why do we still have such weak staminaskills, although everybody said they re too weak since january.
Why do we still have light armor > rest? (Because of too weak staminaskills making protection against physical hits useless)
Why was the DK so absolutely OP?
Why didnt anybody see the problems with ultimate gain?
Either they re ignoring ER too, or ER isnt as professional as they claim or they are using certain informations for their benefit.
Cause many problems can be seen by a 5 year old kid playing for.an hour but they never got adressed.1 -
Sirlex✭✭✭The amount of misinformation and made up rumors in this thread is quite funny.
I will give you guys some quick facts though to clear up a few things i saw mentioned.
1: In every form of feedback I can manage (which includes official forums, PTS forums, talks with anyone from ZoS, fansite forums, streaming, etc) - I lobby for vast improvements to the Templar class.
2: I share any and all exploits I know of with ZoS (in the same ways as listed above) to get them fixed as soon as possible. I hate the exploits more than you do.
3: I don't post in threads to brag about my DPS and collect 25,000 gold because I openly show others how to do the same DPS and don't want to take someones gold for nothing.
4: If ZoS did everything that ER asked then Bolt Escape would be deleted from the game, the API would be more open than pre-launch, Templars wouldn't be the worst class, DKs would get nerfed even more, stamina builds wouldn't suck, forward camps would be deleted, and Trials wouldn't be completed in 9 minutes. Sounds horrible I know. But there is some proof that they don't listen more than they do.
5: Every major developer (Including Carbine, Blizzard, and RIOT) talk to specific guilds/clans/people for direct feedback on their game.
If anyone thinks they know me or what I am about and hasn't visited my stream to actually talk to me - I suggest you at least give it a shot. Feel free to call me out on whatever BS you think I have done and I will give you the 100% truth about things. You can find me playing ESO 3-4 days a week at www.twitch.tv/erlexxEdited by Sirlex on June 13, 2014 8:12PM9 -
Mablung✭✭✭✭✭amlewis292nub19_ESO wrote: »On a side note: Nice to see some guys from GW2 over here. I was in your guild for a time and I know you're a great guy with the best intentions, but in this case you're just wrong man.
Do I know you or do you have me confused with someone else, it happens. I am not a great guy.
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Phantorang✭✭✭✭wrlifeboil wrote: »Phantorang wrote: »wrlifeboil wrote: »Phantorang wrote: »Their participants know much more than the typical gamer, how? And who is this game made for, if it isnt the typical gamer?
Go to MMO-Champion. They datamined the WoD alpha weeks ago. Are you telling me the typical gamer does that? And I did say, it's on the devs to decide what sort of advice they should take.
If the Typical Gamer also got access to alpha, hell yeah!
But the typical gamer cant do that, because the typical gamer dont get access to it.
Give me alpha access to every new content patch for ESO, and I will demonstrate for you how a typical gamer also can "datamine an alpha"!
<laughing hysterically>
So the typical gamer is something to "Laughing hysterically" off of despite?Fimbulwinter Recruiting true Vikings | Campaigns score | EU PC1 -
Mablung✭✭✭✭✭Phantorang wrote: »wrlifeboil wrote: »Phantorang wrote: »wrlifeboil wrote: »Phantorang wrote: »Their participants know much more than the typical gamer, how? And who is this game made for, if it isnt the typical gamer?
Go to MMO-Champion. They datamined the WoD alpha weeks ago. Are you telling me the typical gamer does that? And I did say, it's on the devs to decide what sort of advice they should take.
If the Typical Gamer also got access to alpha, hell yeah!
But the typical gamer cant do that, because the typical gamer dont get access to it.
Give me alpha access to every new content patch for ESO, and I will demonstrate for you how a typical gamer also can "datamine an alpha"!
<laughing hysterically>
So the typical gamer is something to "Laughing hysterically" off of despite?
To each his own really. After re reading this thread, there is no point in arguing about it any longer. Just like everything else on these forums, there are 2 divisive sides and there will not be a common ground.
Fact is ZOS will continue to do what they think is best for the game and those who disagree will continue to unsub.
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JJDrakken✭✭✭I play daily, at 3-10hrs stretches at times. I've played more MMOs with more hours invested in those MMOs, then most mmo players have been alive.(Since Meridian 59).
No one ever asks my opinion.
Edited by JJDrakken on June 13, 2014 8:33PM4 -
Lalai✭✭✭✭amlewis292nub19_ESO wrote: »Look, No one guild or 5 guilds, whatever, should have exclusive access to developers after launch. Yes it is a common practice during alpha and beta testing.
I have been privy to such guilds in Warhammer and SWtoR and look how those turned out. While I did not speak directly to developers during the alphas and betas I was part of, we did have an avenue in which we as a guild would discuss things and then our 'spokesman' would relay that back to the developer. Guilds generally have very strict rules in regard to this behind the scenes contact.
With that said, it is wrong. We definitely took advantage of the situation by talking about things that affected our play style and builds. We definitely did not look at the development process and how that affects a greater population of gamers outside of the finite amount in our guild.
The impact these exclusive, elitist, guilds have is phenomenal. The developers see it as 'being in touch' with the community when it is actually so far from the truth. Think back to games where developers have been active on forums, answering questions for all to see and partake in. That kind of 2 way forum is what makes a game a success. Not what is happening here in this thread or over at Tamriel Foundry.
This type of exclusivity is what eventually kills the game. The nerfs coming for classes, the 'balancing', the sudden change to fixing NBs-all suggestions from these guilds who 'know' the game.
Nobody has "exclusive access to developers."
1. Multiple guilds have been involved in this process from the start.
2. You're assuming Jess is a developer - she isn't. She's a PR official (public relations) and is, in all of these cases you're defining as a problem, DOING HER JOB.
3. You use the term exclusive to imply that the developers ONLY listen to these groups of players, when in reality they mine all the forums/reddit posts they can find for information regarding player opinions on specific issues.
I'll sum up this post with one quick fact: if you were privy to the many suggestions for changes and fixes proposed by these guilds, I can guarantee you would agree with almost all of them.
On a side note: Nice to see some guys from GW2 over here. I was in your guild for a time and I know you're a great guy with the best intentions, but in this case you're just wrong man.
That is ok if you do not agree with me, but I am not wrong. Having been involved with specific guilds through alpha/beta is the norm. What is not normal is continuing that dialogue after launch. The forums, even how dysfunctional these can be, are a great source for issues in game.
I am not blaming her, I am blaming the process for which they are gathering information and how that is impacting the player base as a whole.
I do not disagree completely with your third statement, however speaking to individuals does hold greater weight than reading any forum.
In my similar experience, SWtoR, we felt like we had a great impact on the development of the Sith Assassin. An incredibly strong class PvE and PvP. We pushed for certain tweaks and buffs that to this day still apply. Guild influence on development happens. Knowing that this is occuring now in this game sends all sorts of red flags up for me and should for you as well.
The forums, these ones in particular, are also not a good representation of the community as a whole. They include a disproportionate amount of people who are upset, and have only come to complain or get something changed. Those people aren't the only ones that should get a say.. and ZoS should not only be concerned with complaints, or else they risk alienating the folks that -are- enjoying the aspects of the game the forums are ripe with complaints about. They aren't ignoring the forums, that'd be bad too. They are just getting several different data points.. that includes these forums, reddit, fan forums, and sometimes interviews with various guilds. The guilds do not schedule these, nor do they call up the devs whenever they want to.
If they were only pulling from one source, I would be worried. I have no problem with how they do things as is though.Edited by Lalai on June 13, 2014 8:34PMFisher extraordinaire!
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Phantorang✭✭✭✭Phantorang wrote: »Game development is not a democracy, so of course the devs of eso take their advice from whomever they want, if im not mistaken, ER didnt want the Bolt Escape nerf, good thing the Devs got brains enough themselves to understand thats a totally biased point of view.
Yeah, about that... ER publicly and vocally opposed the previous implementation of BE for a long time.
But, I don't think BE ever came up in feedback session though.
Shouldnt be any reason to hide such an opinion from the public either.
I dont have a problem with ZoS having private feedback sessions with ER or any other guild, I just wish the ZoS devs cared enough to share some of the feedback with everyone else playing their game.
Sharing gamebreaking game mechanics with only a select few is bad, and gives a huge advantage on how to build their characters and groups.
The Time trials and the rankings in PvP are a joke, because some has had access to try the content and knows the mechanics. There will probably take years before any gamer that didnt have access to PTS, beta and wasnt in such a guild to come even close to top 10 of either list.
I didnt realize that before now, Im slow, but a joke is exactly what the trials and pvp rankings are. The playing field isnt even, the rest of us lag months behind.Fimbulwinter Recruiting true Vikings | Campaigns score | EU PC4 -
Mablung✭✭✭✭✭amlewis292nub19_ESO wrote: »Look, No one guild or 5 guilds, whatever, should have exclusive access to developers after launch. Yes it is a common practice during alpha and beta testing.
I have been privy to such guilds in Warhammer and SWtoR and look how those turned out. While I did not speak directly to developers during the alphas and betas I was part of, we did have an avenue in which we as a guild would discuss things and then our 'spokesman' would relay that back to the developer. Guilds generally have very strict rules in regard to this behind the scenes contact.
With that said, it is wrong. We definitely took advantage of the situation by talking about things that affected our play style and builds. We definitely did not look at the development process and how that affects a greater population of gamers outside of the finite amount in our guild.
The impact these exclusive, elitist, guilds have is phenomenal. The developers see it as 'being in touch' with the community when it is actually so far from the truth. Think back to games where developers have been active on forums, answering questions for all to see and partake in. That kind of 2 way forum is what makes a game a success. Not what is happening here in this thread or over at Tamriel Foundry.
This type of exclusivity is what eventually kills the game. The nerfs coming for classes, the 'balancing', the sudden change to fixing NBs-all suggestions from these guilds who 'know' the game.
Nobody has "exclusive access to developers."
1. Multiple guilds have been involved in this process from the start.
2. You're assuming Jess is a developer - she isn't. She's a PR official (public relations) and is, in all of these cases you're defining as a problem, DOING HER JOB.
3. You use the term exclusive to imply that the developers ONLY listen to these groups of players, when in reality they mine all the forums/reddit posts they can find for information regarding player opinions on specific issues.
I'll sum up this post with one quick fact: if you were privy to the many suggestions for changes and fixes proposed by these guilds, I can guarantee you would agree with almost all of them.
On a side note: Nice to see some guys from GW2 over here. I was in your guild for a time and I know you're a great guy with the best intentions, but in this case you're just wrong man.
That is ok if you do not agree with me, but I am not wrong. Having been involved with specific guilds through alpha/beta is the norm. What is not normal is continuing that dialogue after launch. The forums, even how dysfunctional these can be, are a great source for issues in game.
I am not blaming her, I am blaming the process for which they are gathering information and how that is impacting the player base as a whole.
I do not disagree completely with your third statement, however speaking to individuals does hold greater weight than reading any forum.
In my similar experience, SWtoR, we felt like we had a great impact on the development of the Sith Assassin. An incredibly strong class PvE and PvP. We pushed for certain tweaks and buffs that to this day still apply. Guild influence on development happens. Knowing that this is occuring now in this game sends all sorts of red flags up for me and should for you as well.
The forums, these ones in particular, are also not a good representative of the community as a whole. They include a disproportionate amount of people who are upset, and have only come to complain or get something changed. Those people aren't the only ones that should get a say.. and ZoS should not only be concerned with complaints, or else they risk alienating the folks that -are- enjoying the aspects of the game the forums are ripe with complaints about. They aren't ignoring the forums, that'd be bad too. They are just getting several different data points.. that includes these forums, reddit, fan forums, and sometimes interviews with various guilds. The guilds do not schedule these, nor do they call up the devs whenever they want to.
If they were only pulling from one source, I would be worried. I have no problem with how they do things as is though.
I think these forums are an excellent representation of the community. Once you get past the troll/flame threads there is a ton of information that can be gleaned from them. People are emotional and passionate when it comes to gaming. A good communicator gets past the noise and sees the underlying issue. These forums are full of X marks the spot issues.
I agree that having multiple ways to obtain information is good. Having a system in place is better and better than that is having that system on display for everyone to see and offer input on. Talking with guilds is fine. Rotate those guilds out and find others. Talking to elitist or min/max players is bad. It is definitely reflected in the current build of this game imo.
Like I stated, many see this one of two ways. You and are reflect that.3 -
NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well here's the thing: I'd rather have ZOS talking to a few guilds than no one at all but logistically they cannot talk to everyone.
Jessica said that they're going to try to improve communication on these forums. We already know that they watch these forums as well as fansite forums and media articles.
I think this thread is proof enough though that (like with most things) ZOS simply needs to be more transparent. It seems like some of these people are upset because they felt this was secret. When things are secret, people assume something nefarious is going on.
Of course, it really wasn't a secret to anyone who knows members of ER or any of these other guilds, but most people still didn't know about it I guess.
Ultimately I'm sure ZOS understands that ER doesn't represent the entire ESO player base. Jessica already said its a mix of guilds she talks to, not just ER.8 -
Mystborn✭✭✭Phantorang wrote: »
The Time trials and the rankings in PvP are a joke, because some has had access to try the content and knows the mechanics. There will probably take years before any gamer that didnt have access to PTS, beta and wasnt in such a guild to come even close to top 10 of either list.
I didnt realize that before now, Im slow, but a joke is exactly what the trials and pvp rankings are. The playing field isnt even, the rest of us lag months behind.
To be fair, the #1 time for both Trials is held by a Guild that wasn't on the PTS.1 -
Worstluck✭✭✭✭✭The PTS is open to all now, just need to download the 28 GB. There aren't a lot of people there, but if you have some friends or guildies to go there with you, you can try out the content before it hits live now too.
I am completely fine with ZoS communicating with some guilds. I just wish they could let the rest of us in on their plans
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―Madanach
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―Mehrunes Dagon
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Sirlex✭✭✭Phantorang wrote: »
The Time trials and the rankings in PvP are a joke, because some has had access to try the content and knows the mechanics. There will probably take years before any gamer that didnt have access to PTS, beta and wasnt in such a guild to come even close to top 10 of either list.
I didnt realize that before now, Im slow, but a joke is exactly what the trials and pvp rankings are. The playing field isnt even, the rest of us lag months behind.
To be fair, the #1 time for both Trials is held by a Guild that wasn't on the PTS.
Get out of here with fact, reason, and logic! THIS IS A PLACE OF EMOTIONS, SPECULATION, AND RAGEEEE!!!!
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Lalai✭✭✭✭amlewis292nub19_ESO wrote: »Look, No one guild or 5 guilds, whatever, should have exclusive access to developers after launch. Yes it is a common practice during alpha and beta testing.
I have been privy to such guilds in Warhammer and SWtoR and look how those turned out. While I did not speak directly to developers during the alphas and betas I was part of, we did have an avenue in which we as a guild would discuss things and then our 'spokesman' would relay that back to the developer. Guilds generally have very strict rules in regard to this behind the scenes contact.
With that said, it is wrong. We definitely took advantage of the situation by talking about things that affected our play style and builds. We definitely did not look at the development process and how that affects a greater population of gamers outside of the finite amount in our guild.
The impact these exclusive, elitist, guilds have is phenomenal. The developers see it as 'being in touch' with the community when it is actually so far from the truth. Think back to games where developers have been active on forums, answering questions for all to see and partake in. That kind of 2 way forum is what makes a game a success. Not what is happening here in this thread or over at Tamriel Foundry.
This type of exclusivity is what eventually kills the game. The nerfs coming for classes, the 'balancing', the sudden change to fixing NBs-all suggestions from these guilds who 'know' the game.
Nobody has "exclusive access to developers."
1. Multiple guilds have been involved in this process from the start.
2. You're assuming Jess is a developer - she isn't. She's a PR official (public relations) and is, in all of these cases you're defining as a problem, DOING HER JOB.
3. You use the term exclusive to imply that the developers ONLY listen to these groups of players, when in reality they mine all the forums/reddit posts they can find for information regarding player opinions on specific issues.
I'll sum up this post with one quick fact: if you were privy to the many suggestions for changes and fixes proposed by these guilds, I can guarantee you would agree with almost all of them.
On a side note: Nice to see some guys from GW2 over here. I was in your guild for a time and I know you're a great guy with the best intentions, but in this case you're just wrong man.
That is ok if you do not agree with me, but I am not wrong. Having been involved with specific guilds through alpha/beta is the norm. What is not normal is continuing that dialogue after launch. The forums, even how dysfunctional these can be, are a great source for issues in game.
I am not blaming her, I am blaming the process for which they are gathering information and how that is impacting the player base as a whole.
I do not disagree completely with your third statement, however speaking to individuals does hold greater weight than reading any forum.
In my similar experience, SWtoR, we felt like we had a great impact on the development of the Sith Assassin. An incredibly strong class PvE and PvP. We pushed for certain tweaks and buffs that to this day still apply. Guild influence on development happens. Knowing that this is occuring now in this game sends all sorts of red flags up for me and should for you as well.
The forums, these ones in particular, are also not a good representative of the community as a whole. They include a disproportionate amount of people who are upset, and have only come to complain or get something changed. Those people aren't the only ones that should get a say.. and ZoS should not only be concerned with complaints, or else they risk alienating the folks that -are- enjoying the aspects of the game the forums are ripe with complaints about. They aren't ignoring the forums, that'd be bad too. They are just getting several different data points.. that includes these forums, reddit, fan forums, and sometimes interviews with various guilds. The guilds do not schedule these, nor do they call up the devs whenever they want to.
If they were only pulling from one source, I would be worried. I have no problem with how they do things as is though.
I think these forums are an excellent representation of the community. Once you get past the troll/flame threads there is a ton of information that can be gleaned from them. People are emotional and passionate when it comes to gaming. A good communicator gets past the noise and sees the underlying issue. These forums are full of X marks the spot issues.
I agree that having multiple ways to obtain information is good. Having a system in place is better and better than that is having that system on display for everyone to see and offer input on. Talking with guilds is fine. Rotate those guilds out and find others. Talking to elitist or min/max players is bad. It is definitely reflected in the current build of this game imo.
Like I stated, many see this one of two ways. You and are reflect that.
Just gonna have to disagree there. Not just for this game, but any MMO forum. A very, very small percentage of players actually post on them, and of the ones that do they're usually there because they experienced some sort of problem within the game. That's why any game forum you visit now is full of nothing but complaints. That's not to say that good information can't be gathered there, but it's not an accurate portrayal of everyone, just those who have a problem with something. They are passionate because of that, but that doesn't mean they're always right. A lot of "x marks the spot" issues are issues that deal with preference. Things like having an AH, or Veteran levels.. where the community, even here, seems large divided when polls are posted. People with problems are not the only people you want to listen to.Fisher extraordinaire!
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wrlifeboil✭✭✭✭✭Well here's the thing: I'd rather have ZOS talking to a few guilds than no one at all but logistically they cannot talk to everyone.
Jessica said that they're going to try to improve communication on these forums. We already know that they watch these forums as well as fansite forums and media articles.
I think this thread is proof enough though that (like with most things) ZOS simply needs to be more transparent. It seems like some of these people are upset because they felt this was secret. When things are secret, people assume something nefarious is going on.
Of course, it really wasn't a secret to anyone who knows members of ER or any of these other guilds, but most people still didn't know about it I guess.
Ultimately I'm sure ZOS understands that ER doesn't represent the entire ESO player base. Jessica already said its a mix of guilds she talks to, not just ER.
Forums for dissemination of information are last decade. In this decade, Twitter.
Public forums are more for community building, and issues that can't be handled in < 140 characters like tech support and customer service.2 -
Phantorang✭✭✭✭Doctoruniverse wrote: »I agree with Mablung, ZOS conduct has been shameful in this instance.
And trying to save it now only makes it worse.
What you are saying is BS. I am absolutely not happy with certain aspects, but what the community manager says is all ok, lets not take the frustration out on someone just enjoying the game with players they like to hang out with.Fimbulwinter Recruiting true Vikings | Campaigns score | EU PC3 -
Snit✭✭✭✭✭
✭yes this worrying imo
I couldn't agree less.
I'm not in a top-tier guild, but I like the fact that devs are speaking with players who understand the mechanics well. That's useful feedback for them.
While I certainly want less dedicated players (like me) to have input, ZOS would be wasting its time talking with most casuals about the details of game mechanics, when most of those players don't understand them. Unless you know know the math for ultimate generation, for example, there is no value in ZOS asking your opinion of those mechanics.Snit AD Sorc
Ratbag AD Warden Tank
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AinGeal✭✭✭amlewis292nub19_ESO wrote: »1. Multiple guilds have been involved in this process from the start.
2. You're assuming Jess is a developer - she isn't. She's a PR official (public relations) and is, in all of these cases you're defining as a problem, DOING HER JOB.
3. You use the term exclusive to imply that the developers ONLY listen to these groups of players, when in reality they mine all the forums/reddit posts they can find for information regarding player opinions on specific issues.
I'll sum up this post with one quick fact: if you were privy to the many suggestions for changes and fixes proposed by these guilds, I can guarantee you would agree with almost all of them.
On a side note: Nice to see some guys from GW2 over here. I was in your guild for a time and I know you're a great guy with the best intentions, but in this case you're just wrong man.
No, it's you who is wrong. She's a PR official, OK, so she should be in contact with the games community in an impartial way through the official routes (aka official forums). Simply talking with a select few of the games community using back channels on the other hand is well....shameful could be one way of putting it. Although a bit of an exaggeration. Improper would best describe it.2 -
Phantorang✭✭✭✭The devs speak with many guilds. In fact my guild has an interview with a zos representative tonight.
They need good, structured feedback from the players, and these forums are absolutely full of whiny, emotionally driven posts, NOT constructive feedback. That is why you don't see much developer activity on the forum.
But don't worry, we're certainly not all minmaxers.
So its the players fault that these forums look like they do?
Its THEIR forum, if they dont like it, they should do something about it, their absence in these forums are deafening.
I am certain if the Devs spend some time and treated their customer with respect, they would recieve some respect too, its a two way street.
You blame the players for being whiny and emotional, you think its weird players complain about the state of the game? Get a grip.Fimbulwinter Recruiting true Vikings | Campaigns score | EU PC8 -
Fuzzylumpkins✭✭✭✭When devs do reach out to experienced players it isn't a good thing. It should be considered quite worrying. I do remember when my son was playing Lego Universe MMo a few years ago and they started reaching out to adult players for feedback, mechanic abuse and giving them under the radar info about upcoming content. In the end the plug was pulled within 6 months and it came to light it was a desperate attempt at trying to get free help.
When this happens in an unproven game it is bad news. In long term games it is different when devs talk to tested players having played years of tested material 2 -
The_Drexill✭✭✭✭BS thread. If people take the time to visit ER's own forums, they'd see that It's the best knowledge database ESO has. The guys specifically from ER (Such as Erlexx) have posted threads with tons of data, helping other people do better dps. There's threads with hundreds and hundreds of posts thanking them for their builds and guides.
If the dev's need to listen to players, it's players like Entropy Rising.Brandizzle - NB
Drexill The Unbreakable - Sorc
For teh covenant.5
