S1L3NTKiLLaH wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

End Game content is just that the end of the game. SURE some games hide it with gear levels that are longer to grind than hitting the max level in the game.

TESO's "end game" Starts at level 1. To think any differently well prepare to be HIGHLY disappointed, WHICH everybody is so GOOD JOB.

1-50 + VR content is by far more content than any other MMO I have ever played.

People complain the quests are stupid and boring and repetitive well WHAT MMO ISNT. The only real option missing from leveling is grinding dungeons. Well that's good to me cause 1-50 you want to really EXPERIENCE the dungeon and story attached. There is PLENTY of time to grind these dungeons in Veteran Rank.

I play this game a LOT 4 hours minimum every day and I have been here since early start......Im ONLY level 42 and on AD side haven't even made it to reapers march yet. IF your at max level you were either playing a HELL OF A LOT MORE or didn't truly experience the game for what it is.

If you grinded to the end of the game for PVP then by all means enjoy the pvp. If you get bored theres plenty of story available in the game.

If someone is V12 their opinion should be worth twice as much as a level 40, in fact they probably did play twice as much as you and know twice as much about it. You will see what happens when you put your big boy pants on and enter a Vet zone.

Cant wait but have LOTS of story left so.

S1L3NTKiLLaH wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

End Game content is just that the end of the game. SURE some games hide it with gear levels that are longer to grind than hitting the max level in the game.

TESO's "end game" Starts at level 1. To think any differently well prepare to be HIGHLY disappointed, WHICH everybody is so GOOD JOB.

1-50 + VR content is by far more content than any other MMO I have ever played.

People complain the quests are stupid and boring and repetitive well WHAT MMO ISNT. The only real option missing from leveling is grinding dungeons. Well that's good to me cause 1-50 you want to really EXPERIENCE the dungeon and story attached. There is PLENTY of time to grind these dungeons in Veteran Rank.

I play this game a LOT 4 hours minimum every day and I have been here since early start......Im ONLY level 42 and on AD side haven't even made it to reapers march yet. IF your at max level you were either playing a HELL OF A LOT MORE or didn't truly experience the game for what it is.

If you grinded to the end of the game for PVP then by all means enjoy the pvp. If you get bored theres plenty of story available in the game.

If someone is V12 their opinion should be worth twice as much as a level 40, in fact they probably did play twice as much as you and know twice as much about it. You will see what happens when you put your big boy pants on and enter a Vet zone.

I disagree. Vet12 are fast clickers. They have no idea what the story was about. They only cared about leveling. Or they were PvPers who MUST level up to top level to enjoy PvP. If you are not top and geared yoy are cannon food.

But PvPers has again no idea about PvE content.

ESO is great game, I admit it has issues like grouping... But in overall it is the best MMO I have played so far.

S1L3NTKiLLaH wrote: »

If someone is V12 their opinion should be worth twice as much as a level 40, in fact they probably did play twice as much as you and know twice as much about it. You will see what happens when you put your big boy pants on and enter a Vet zone.

That's the most strange answer I've ever seen. Just because you are highest level, you know more about the game?

This statement proves that you don't know more about the game then most.
If you did, then you would know that there is so much to do in the game that the main player base still have not reached Vet 1. They play the game.

Soon enough, more and more high lvl vets will appear, but this statement is very close to state that for example, in WoW, you bought a high level char, including gear, skills, everything, ready to raid the second you enter the game for the first time with this char......that you would know more then a low leveler.

I do know there ARE players who played 24/7, no addons, no guide/best exp, etc. They just grinded on, and reached high vet level.

Reading lorebooks and listening to the quests?

Hell, finding the skyshards alone is as much time consuming as getting a level.

Building a guild, takes time. Trade skills, takes time, exploring and find stuff, takes time.

What you do know more about then someone who isn't Vet level, IS vet levels content. THAT is true.

The rest simply can not be true.

S1L3NTKiLLaH wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

But in overall it is the best MMO I have played so far.

That is sad if it is true. There have been and still are so many MMOs that are better in every way you can think than this game. I am crying for you right now. :'(

It is one of the better "MMO's" that I have played I agree, but sadly once The Division comes out everything will be irrelevant.

IMO So many other MMOs blow this away-Shadowbane, SWG, WoW, Eve, Rift, UO, DaOC, even Warhammer with all of its problems was a blast to play in RvR.

This game has great music, beautiful scenery and that is about it.

Mablung wrote: »

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

But in overall it is the best MMO I have played so far.

That is sad if it is true. There have been and still are so many MMOs that are better in every way you can think than this game. I am crying for you right now. :'(

I played a lot of MMOs and if you enjoyed them more good for you. You dont need to cry for me when I found a game that suits me best. (but if they introduce arenas I will quit)

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

S1L3NTKiLLaH wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

But in overall it is the best MMO I have played so far.

That is sad if it is true. There have been and still are so many MMOs that are better in every way you can think than this game. I am crying for you right now. :'(

It is one of the better "MMO's" that I have played I agree, but sadly once The Division comes out everything will be irrelevant.

IMO So many other MMOs blow this away-Shadowbane, SWG, WoW, Eve, Rift, UO, DaOC, even Warhammer with all of its problems was a blast to play in RvR.

This game has great music, beautiful scenery and that is about it.

Yea I played all those except UP, DaOC and this game blows all those away.

So its an agree to disagree. If you don't like the game you can unsub. Its an amazing game to me so that's all that matter. Once they get rid of most the bugs and more work on the balancing it be far far better.

I don't agree to disagree. I do have better taste than you though and more sense. Why, WHY would anyone continue to pay for the half finished game?

S1L3NTKiLLaH wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

But in overall it is the best MMO I have played so far.

That is sad if it is true. There have been and still are so many MMOs that are better in every way you can think than this game. I am crying for you right now. :'(

It is one of the better "MMO's" that I have played I agree, but sadly once The Division comes out everything will be irrelevant.

Division seems very promising, but you can not compare it to any any fantasy RPG. I am looking forward to Division as well. Hell it's UBISOFT, they let me down only once with rainbow six which they destroyed. But with siege they may remedy that:-)

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

S1L3NTKiLLaH wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

But in overall it is the best MMO I have played so far.

That is sad if it is true. There have been and still are so many MMOs that are better in every way you can think than this game. I am crying for you right now. :'(

It is one of the better "MMO's" that I have played I agree, but sadly once The Division comes out everything will be irrelevant.

Division seems very promising, but you can not compare it to any any fantasy RPG. I am looking forward to Division as well. Hell it's UBISOFT, they let me down only once with rainbow six which they destroyed. But with siege they may remedy that:-)

Yeah Siege looks great. Ubisoft has always been great IMO.

Mablung wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

There isn't any end game in ESO, and it not supposed to be, since the main CORE idea with ESO is a living evolving Tamriel, that changes over time.

There will be the current hardest encounters, most rare items, be a master in a crafter profession (Can do everything), completing big long story lines, like the main one, "win" PvP campaigns, Master explorer who can tell tales about every inch of Tamriel. More things to master is already in the works.

And peoples own personal goals.

ESO main long term plan is open for all to see. When the "end game" is beaten, Tamriel evolves to future challenges.

One could argue that when you built your character to the max of YOUR vision and when your char is "done" and cant evolve anymore. That is an end game.

This will change with new features to keep develop your char.

Its easier to say what the end game in ESO is not:

Max level, to many skill points you don't use because "you have them all" and calculating the "best build" for today.

Since ESO is a character skilled based game, where we KNOW that more features, events, skills and spells will be introduced, you get a new goals.

By now most players must be aware of balancing and Zenimax have choosen not to do the mistake and buff everything to hell....(brave by the right way)

And any skill at any point is subject to minor changes. To calculate numbers simply is a waste of time, since maybe next week, they don't add up.

End RAID content in ESO is not equal to other MMOs raids. I agree on that.
BUT ESOs MMO type is NOT only to beat the raid instances, get the best gear. (Its a part of it)

Look what they are focusing on. High end content. Give em some time.

The end goal must be to have fun, do things you are not used to in other MMOs?

Be part of the Tamriel world. Make you famous by claiming the champion of different areas? Who gonna own the Kiosk? The coming new city? I bet a whole new game will be able to fit in there.

The justice system. We don't know how it works, but if I can get hired as a guards, I would love to chase thieves and killers to throw em in jail!

The adding of quests, that continue to challenge, bring "life" to Tamriel and I hope comes in different difficulties, and more of the kind where you need to choose a path, and cant change your mind.

*Flame suit on*

You are not helping your Pro TESO cause.

Not all people post to help their cause. I wish less people would.

Mablung wrote: »

I don't agree to disagree. I do have better taste than you though and more sense. Why, WHY would anyone continue to pay for the half finished game?

What makes you think that you have better taste? You have your taste annd sense. This is free market you make your major dislikes with your wallet.

When something makes me mad beyond acceptable level I just say enough.
I did that with BF4 and EA. Incompetent developers delivered trash game and EA refused to solve it with refund or with game swap (i would accept that as appologize). So I deleted the whole origin account and with their attitude towards customer who spent 110 euro on their broken game I see no reason to purhase any of their furher products. You can always find them on torrents after all.

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

It is apparent that they increased the difficulty in Vet content to slow the progress of those still subbed in hopes to put pressure on the sub bleeding they are having.

I suspect you are correct.

And why nobody suspect that they wanted to offer some challange?

Harder content does not slow you much. It would have to be hardcore hard to make any difference. With my build I have same problems as I had in couldharbor. Yet it was playable and I enjoy harder stuff to play.

Zubba wrote: »

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

But in overall it is the best MMO I have played so far.

That is sad if it is true. There have been and still are so many MMOs that are better in every way you can think than this game. I am crying for you right now. :'(

I played a lot of MMOs and if you enjoyed them more good for you. You dont need to cry for me when I found a game that suits me best. (but if they introduce arenas I will quit)

I agree on everything but the part in (parentesis).

How on Earth can you quit becase of a new game mode that you don' t have to play? Please dont give me the "everyone will leave cyrodiil and wait in a que!". Noone knows that, its for Zenimax to decide to implement or not.

Because I picked ESO for having no arenas. I had enough of this crap in WoW.
Simple as that.

Tannakaobi wrote: »

When it comes to gear I have to agree. Why have only crafted gear as the best gear? I ask the same question in reverse in other mmo's.

So here's the thing, some people like to craft, some people like to PVP and some people like to raid...

So why not have the 'top' gear a reward for each thing? That way people can do what they want to do and still work towards getting the gear they want...

the way EVERY mmo game ***** it up you would think it is rocket science.

For me he best craft/drop system was in Linrage II, but I did not like much that overenchanting thing. It shoukd have been capped at some point. Though it was insanly hard to make something over +10, so gear appeared in the game and dissaperad via overenchanting.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

S1L3NTKiLLaH wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

End Game content is just that the end of the game. SURE some games hide it with gear levels that are longer to grind than hitting the max level in the game.

TESO's "end game" Starts at level 1. To think any differently well prepare to be HIGHLY disappointed, WHICH everybody is so GOOD JOB.

1-50 + VR content is by far more content than any other MMO I have ever played.

People complain the quests are stupid and boring and repetitive well WHAT MMO ISNT. The only real option missing from leveling is grinding dungeons. Well that's good to me cause 1-50 you want to really EXPERIENCE the dungeon and story attached. There is PLENTY of time to grind these dungeons in Veteran Rank.

I play this game a LOT 4 hours minimum every day and I have been here since early start......Im ONLY level 42 and on AD side haven't even made it to reapers march yet. IF your at max level you were either playing a HELL OF A LOT MORE or didn't truly experience the game for what it is.

If you grinded to the end of the game for PVP then by all means enjoy the pvp. If you get bored theres plenty of story available in the game.

If someone is V12 their opinion should be worth twice as much as a level 40, in fact they probably did play twice as much as you and know twice as much about it. You will see what happens when you put your big boy pants on and enter a Vet zone.

I disagree. Vet12 are fast clickers. They have no idea what the story was about. They only cared about leveling. Or they were PvPers who MUST level up to top level to enjoy PvP. If you are not top and geared yoy are cannon food.

But PvPers has again no idea about PvE content.

ESO is great game, I admit it has issues like grouping... But in overall it is the best MMO I have played so far.

Nothing personal, but I get really tired of hearing this. If you play games for the story, that's fine, but stop busting other people's humps because they like doing things that being top level usually gets you. Playing competitively at high end is not only entirely legitimate play, but also what most MMOs are all about.

I got the game during early access but didn't start playing till several weeks later. I had way too much time to play during the first couple weeks and flew to 50. Not so much time since and haven't played all that much. I'm VR4 now and have gotten there by doing every quest, every dungeon, every world boss, every dolmens, etc before moving to the next zone. I also do 4 crafts. I estimate if I had started day 1 when I bought the game, hadn't had as much time the first few weeks but had more time the past several I would probably be about VR10ish right now. And I don't exactly rush.

A lot of you guys need to get off your horse. If you've been playing since day 1 and aren't at least mid VR by now, a quarter of a year since release, then you either don't play that much or waste tons of time when you do. Both of which are fine, but don't point fingers at people who actually play the game and go after the carrot as if they are doing something wrong. They aren't.

Not to mention, what always irks me so much about the apologists for lack of end game content at release is it excuses game companies for releasing incomplete products. As do the "all games have bugs at release" people. To them it's always the players' fault for either actually using the product or "being impatient" because they can't. I defy anyone to name one other industry besides entertainment software that gets away with routinely, as part of the business model, selling products and service fees for the use of that product with the full knowledge that the product is both broken and incomplete at the time of sale. We wouldn't tolerate it from any other industry, much less have a segment of consumers outright blame other consumers for the problems. Its completely ridiculous and I, for one, am really tired of hearing from these apologists at every turn.

And while I love the game and sincerely hope it eventually lives up to its potential, it is far from earning a spot on my list of good MMOs, much less "best." As a 15 year MMO veteran I have to seriously question how seriously to take anything said by a person who would call this a great MMO at this point. It's barely even an MMO, frankly.

It could get there but a lot needs to be fixed and balanced before then. Please stop making excuses and diverting attention from the people solely responsible for this.

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Fleymark wrote: »

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

S1L3NTKiLLaH wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

End Game content is just that the end of the game. SURE some games hide it with gear levels that are longer to grind than hitting the max level in the game.

TESO's "end game" Starts at level 1. To think any differently well prepare to be HIGHLY disappointed, WHICH everybody is so GOOD JOB.

1-50 + VR content is by far more content than any other MMO I have ever played.

People complain the quests are stupid and boring and repetitive well WHAT MMO ISNT. The only real option missing from leveling is grinding dungeons. Well that's good to me cause 1-50 you want to really EXPERIENCE the dungeon and story attached. There is PLENTY of time to grind these dungeons in Veteran Rank.

I play this game a LOT 4 hours minimum every day and I have been here since early start......Im ONLY level 42 and on AD side haven't even made it to reapers march yet. IF your at max level you were either playing a HELL OF A LOT MORE or didn't truly experience the game for what it is.

If you grinded to the end of the game for PVP then by all means enjoy the pvp. If you get bored theres plenty of story available in the game.

If someone is V12 their opinion should be worth twice as much as a level 40, in fact they probably did play twice as much as you and know twice as much about it. You will see what happens when you put your big boy pants on and enter a Vet zone.

I disagree. Vet12 are fast clickers. They have no idea what the story was about. They only cared about leveling. Or they were PvPers who MUST level up to top level to enjoy PvP. If you are not top and geared yoy are cannon food.

But PvPers has again no idea about PvE content.

ESO is great game, I admit it has issues like grouping... But in overall it is the best MMO I have played so far.

Nothing personal, but I get really tired of hearing this. If you play games for the story, that's fine, but stop busting other people's humps because they like doing things that being top level usually gets you.

Can't argue with that.

Also you have to ask yourself, If people are only playing for the story. Why the *** play an mmo? They are miles behind other game types in terms of quality and story.

I guess in eso it's because it's a TES game, but you get people saying the same things in other mmo's.

Totally. Like I said, it's barely an MMO and as you say, there are plenty of better single player games, like Skyrim. As many have said, they may have been better served skipping the MMO and concentrated on the next in the series.

But we have the MMO and for it to be good as an MMO it needs a healthy and rewarding endgame. And every developer in the past 15 years has known this. In 2014 there's really no excuse for not having it because every game since EQ has had a lot of gamers that literally race to the top and will be expecting something to do. Especially in a game that's so linear and on rails playing alts isn't necessarily something a lot of people are going to want to do.