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ZOS please cater to your market
NoMoreChillies
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If players like grinding, provide them with grind dungeons that can be easily reset without having to reform party. These dungeons can be quest repeatable and only give rewards when dungeon is finished.
Smaller dungeons could be 15 mins long while larger dungeons could be 1 hour.
Provide a separate world boss circuit in Craglorn for those of us that want to test DPS etc over longer fights. World bosses could reset every 15mins to allow multiple groups to run the circuit and not step on each others toes.
Instead of taking away from your playerbase, give them what they want.
Make Craglorn the alternate place to level VR1-12 so we can play the way we like.
Smaller dungeons could be 15 mins long while larger dungeons could be 1 hour.
Provide a separate world boss circuit in Craglorn for those of us that want to test DPS etc over longer fights. World bosses could reset every 15mins to allow multiple groups to run the circuit and not step on each others toes.
Instead of taking away from your playerbase, give them what they want.
Make Craglorn the alternate place to level VR1-12 so we can play the way we like.
Insulting people on the internet is cowardly.
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✭✭I have no problem with your premise, but it would still need to be balanced so questing and other ways to play are still fair in reward for equal effort.
Right now nobody is questing in Crag because it is so much easier just to grind xp.4 -
YakoTaki✭✭✭We want public dungeons in Craglorn! Everybody will be happy
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✭✭NoMoreChillies wrote: »If players like grinding, provide them with grind dungeons that can be easily reset without having to reform party.
If players like grinding?? the rest of your post is based on the assumption we do.
What about those of us who dislike grinding??People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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✭AlexDougherty wrote: »NoMoreChillies wrote: »If players like grinding, provide them with grind dungeons that can be easily reset without having to reform party.
If players like grinding?? the rest of your post is based on the assumption we do.
What about those of us who dislike grinding??
There is also the possibility his assumption is correct. I quite enjoy spending 'some' time grinding. Especially as work dictates how/when I can playHigh Elf Sorcerer VR12 - Destro / Resto Staff
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✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »NoMoreChillies wrote: »If players like grinding, provide them with grind dungeons that can be easily reset without having to reform party.
If players like grinding?? the rest of your post is based on the assumption we do.
What about those of us who dislike grinding??
There is also the possibility his assumption is correct. I quite enjoy spending 'some' time grinding. Especially as work dictates how/when I can play
I always thought that if it's fun it isn't grinding, I don't mind working at levelling, I just want some variation so it isn't grinding.
I would prefer they create a portal to a random dungeon (groupable of course) in each capital city. You would select the level and the game would fill it with level appropriate baddies.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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✭Hm, you want them to make craglorn an alternate place to level.... which is exactly what people are using it for.... does not compute.☠ Is it better to out-monster the monster or to be quietly devoured? ☠
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✭AlexDougherty wrote: »I always thought that if it's fun it isn't grinding, I don't mind working at levelling, I just want some variation so it isn't grinding.
I would prefer they create a portal to a random dungeon (groupable of course) in each capital city. You would select the level and the game would fill it with level appropriate baddies.
That'd certainly work for me
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✭Arsenic_Touch wrote: »Hm, you want them to make craglorn an alternate place to level.... which is exactly what people are using it for.... does not compute.
people have made their own ways to grind/level in Craglorn, i wish the devs would acknowledge this trend and run with it.
For those that dont like AOE farming, buff Quest XP in veteran zones so all is equal no matter where you choose to level.
Give to the players and they will give devs money. Take away from the players and the players will take away their money.Insulting people on the internet is cowardly.3 -
Blud✭✭✭✭✭They may be focusing on a console market now. I don't really know who their market is at this point but it doesn't seem to be traditional mmorpg players.
If they are talking about the possibility of adding things like 3v3 pvp matches, that would seem to be attractive for console gamers. They probably aren't going to be a lot of mmorpg grinders, crafters, and mat farmers.
Maybe they want to target people who played Skyrim on console?0 -
zhevon✭✭✭✭I am offended by your title - there's lots of different markets.
However, I agree. I do not see the problem with letting people grind; if thats what people want to do - they are paying with time and money. Also there are a lot of whiny putzes in the community who object to how people choose to play; its sort of annoying me.3 -
ZeroInspiration✭✭✭NoMoreChillies wrote: »If players like grinding, provide them with grind dungeons that can be easily reset without having to reform party. These dungeons can be quest repeatable and only give rewards when dungeon is finished.
Smaller dungeons could be 15 mins long while larger dungeons could be 1 hour.
Provide a separate world boss circuit in Craglorn for those of us that want to test DPS etc over longer fights. World bosses could reset every 15mins to allow multiple groups to run the circuit and not step on each others toes.
Instead of taking away from your playerbase, give them what they want.
Make Craglorn the alternate place to level VR1-12 so we can play the way we like.
What makes you think you are the target market? Because of the forums? Are you aware that only a small percentage of the population comes to the forums and have reached VR12? I'm pretty sure the "target market" and the majority of players enjoy the game as it is, based on what I see on zone and guild chat.
Hell I've seen in mora than one zone people commenting how good NBs are. The only people here are the whiners and those who come to be amused by them5 -
gunplummer✭✭✭I agree with OP, having area(s) for grinding would be nice and with some real exp gains. Not just craglorn, but all zones.
Sometime when I am bored with questing or close to leveling I want to start gathering mats for upcoming gear and grind out the last bit of exp needed. Finding an area that can give decent exp is hard either the spawns are slow or the NPC's are too far apart, its too crowded, or its a grouping ghost town.
The really need to cater to the diversity of the player base. Also, if you haven't figured out yet, but we are the beta testers for the console.0 -
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✭And this is how a game turns into one that accommodates for the lowest common denominator...
No thanks. They should stick to their vision, and if we don't like it we're free to go somewhere else. Additionally, the vocal minority is not the majority.
If your primary goal in the game is to level your character up, I'm sorry, but you've completely missed the point of ESO.Edited by Rev Rielle on June 14, 2014 2:09PMIf you can be anything, be kind.8 -
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✭Rev Rielle wrote: »And this is how a game turn into one that accommodates for the lowest common denominator...
No thanks. They should stick to their vision, and if we don't like it we're free to go somewhere else. Additionally, the vocal minority is not the majority.
If your primary goal in the game is to level your character up, I'm sorry, but you've completely missed the point of ESO.
My primary goal is to level multiple classes and experience the story from all 3 sides.
I want to see many players in game, guild rosters full and zones bustling. Currently i do not.Insulting people on the internet is cowardly.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NoMoreChillies wrote: »Rev Rielle wrote: »And this is how a game turn into one that accommodates for the lowest common denominator...
No thanks. They should stick to their vision, and if we don't like it we're free to go somewhere else. Additionally, the vocal minority is not the majority.
If your primary goal in the game is to level your character up, I'm sorry, but you've completely missed the point of ESO.
My primary goal is to level multiple classes and experience the story from all 3 sides.
I want to see many players in game, guild rosters full and zones bustling. Currently i do not.
Well since it sounds like you skipped over the vast majority of the content so that you could hit max level as fast as possible... I'm not too surprised.----
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FrauPerchta✭✭✭They already do. Why do you think they are nerfing so much. It's not just to be nerfing, it's to shut up the cry babies that can't play the game as designed.1
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Quoriah✭✭FrauPerchta wrote: »They already do. Why do you think they are nerfing so much. It's not just to be nerfing, it's to shut up the cry babies that can't play the game as designed.
And this is where MMO developers start loosing their customers.
"You are NOT doing it right!!!!! You must do it like I imagined it while meditating for 30 days in the wilderness".
This is simply wrong. A good MMO gives you the tools to have fun and then they let you HAVE FUN. The design issues come into play if the tools are too few, broken or changed too fast and too often.
EVE Online is the best example. They give you a truckload of fun tools and then they kick you right in the middle of the sandbox telling you to have fun the way you want with the tools they just provided you with.
There's a website that compiled everything you can do in EVE - it fills several screens and caters to every type of player. (why they are a niche games is for other reasons than the lack of tools at a player's disposal)
I come from games that pre-date the game which shall not be named, so I am quite comfortable to grinding mobs. I even like it since it allowed me to always push my limits trying to kill things much higher than my level or much more dangerous.
ESO just pushes you through quests. I reached VR levels very fast by simply doing quests... some fun, some less than fun.
Unfortunately, with most quests, I felt like playing FedEx Online, not an immersive & engaging MMO.
I found the game much more immersive when going on my own in the wilderness and slaughtering camps of bad guys or wiping out bosses.
With a few exceptions, quests always seemed too artificial since they were so trivial in both description and objectives.
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Osu✭AlexDougherty wrote: »NoMoreChillies wrote: »If players like grinding, provide them with grind dungeons that can be easily reset without having to reform party.
If players like grinding?? the rest of your post is based on the assumption we do.
What about those of us who dislike grinding??
That is not at all what the OP said.
I'd say if you dislike grinding ESO must be heaven on earth because 90% of this game is questing. Congrats! You won!
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So SICK of posts that act like the entire player base raced to VR12 and is now bored and raging on these forums, so VR content issues are the biggest problems with the game.
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AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »NoMoreChillies wrote: »If players like grinding, provide them with grind dungeons that can be easily reset without having to reform party.
If players like grinding?? the rest of your post is based on the assumption we do.
What about those of us who dislike grinding??
That is not at all what the OP said.
I'd say if you dislike grinding ESO must be heaven on earth because 90% of this game is questing. Congrats! You won!
Yeah, I'm loving it at the minute. People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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✭AlexDougherty wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »NoMoreChillies wrote: »If players like grinding, provide them with grind dungeons that can be easily reset without having to reform party.
If players like grinding?? the rest of your post is based on the assumption we do.
What about those of us who dislike grinding??
That is not at all what the OP said.
I'd say if you dislike grinding ESO must be heaven on earth because 90% of this game is questing. Congrats! You won!
Yeah, I'm loving it at the minute.
i wish to love the game just as much as you do, i just want to play it my wayInsulting people on the internet is cowardly.0 -
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✭NoMoreChillies wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »NoMoreChillies wrote: »If players like grinding, provide them with grind dungeons that can be easily reset without having to reform party.
If players like grinding?? the rest of your post is based on the assumption we do.
What about those of us who dislike grinding??
That is not at all what the OP said.
I'd say if you dislike grinding ESO must be heaven on earth because 90% of this game is questing. Congrats! You won!
Yeah, I'm loving it at the minute.
i wish to love the game just as much as you do, i just want to play it my way
That quite possibly is the inherent problem right there: My way.
This isn't our game. It's ZeniMax's game. We pay to play their game that they've designed. Designed to be played within the frame-work of various styles. Yes, they like and encourage feedback, and we (the players) have an important role to fill in that regard. But at the end of it all, we have no right to demand anything from them, nothing more so than we would when buying and playing a single-player game.
We have the right to play the game how we like, but we do not have the right to whinge and carry on when we discover that the play-style we like is not intimately catered for, and the developers are not going to change it to that style at our request. Too many people these days seem to think that just because we're paying we're somehow entitled to have development bend over backwards to please us and fulfill all our personal wishes.If you can be anything, be kind.1 -
Teevesnacks✭✭✭I don't even....
I mean seriously has this games content gotten so bad that you actually want to grind 99999999999999999999999999999......boars?0