Do you consider ESO a next gen MMO?

GreySix · June 2014

No

If ESO didn't force solo-only play, force grouping, and did something besides adopt the tired and worn-out leveled zones, I might have been inclined to vote yes.

Still like playing ESO, but the answer is still no.

mlloyb16_ESO · June 2014

korkibucek wrote: »

I've been playing some other recently released MMOs and they make ESO feel 15years old in terms of game design.

Graphically, yes.

Tannakaobi · June 2014

No

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I don't even understand how we've gotten 2 pages of comments about whether the game is "next gen" without anyone being able to define what in Oblivion that's supposed to mean.

I would guess it means doing things that previous generations of MMO's didn't do but will set the new standards of what MMO's will do from now on.

ESO doesn't even utilise 64-bit or quad core and can be defined as much by what it doesn't allow you to do that others allowed in the past as anything.

Like grouping easily. Having more than rudimentary social features.

The only thing 'next-gen' might be the phase technology but it doesn't work well.

ESO is a fine-looking (but nothing earth-shattering) and entertaining MMO for the most part. right up until the point it stops being entertaining for a lot of us.

It feels to me like a stripped down old school MMO with some nice touches such as the class/skill system (but again - not working).

I've got my money's worth from it but it had turned out not to have what it takes to become my long-term MMO.

But I'll be keeping my eye on it and hoping it'll get better.

'Next Gen' Is a new but all too used phrase that means. The next step in gaming. It has come about because of the release of the new 'next gen' as they are named consoles.

The reason is probably because for the first time games are as good on a console as they are a PC.

But honestly, get with the times....

because the last one now will be later too win... for the times, they are a changing....

GreySix · June 2014

No

This article does a pretty good job of explaining how ESO isn't a next generation of MMO:

All of The Elder Scrolls Online’s content is divided by level, so if you try to move on beyond the path the developers have laid down for you, and you'll quickly be killed. You must level up your character to proceed, and doing that necessitates sticking to a very clearly defined route through the world.

It's their imagination, not yours, and they won’t let you forget it.

Gone is the sense of exploration and freedom. Gone is the ability to wander to whatever corner of the world you want to tell your story. It’s bewildering to see that ZeniMax missed that mark so completely, especially given that there have been many MMOs over the years that were actually more like Skyrim or Oblivion than this one.

Why did ZeniMax draw inspiration from World of Warcraft– a game whose highly directed experience is counter to the emergent freedom of The Elder Scrolls – rather than Ultima Online, EVE Online, Meridian 59 and others that are more spiritually similar to what franchise fans know and love?

BBSooner · June 2014

No

Tannakaobi wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

Nope! But then again, I've never considered an MMO as 'next gen'. The only changes that ever come to the genre are 'creature comforts' that don't change how we perceive the games.

Take a look at http://tomclancy-thedivision.ubi.com/game/en-GB/home/?cid=src-6-The_Division_E3_2014--1-1-0614-1-1-1-Focus_HP&gclid=CPbgqvf98b4CFQvItAod-xEAHQ and then repeat that. MMO's are changing, almost all games will soon be mmo's in one way or another.

Blackwidow wrote: »

The only reason I can even log into ESO is the combat.

However, it is not enough to keep me. The tiny banks broke me. I just could not keep switching characters just to bank.

It will be the next big update that dictates what I do with ESO! Craglorn did nothing for me, I've not even been there as I'm not even going to entertain the thought of VR content in other factions and PVP is painfully slow leveling.

So if the next one is not for early VR levels. Then I will no doubt go as I will have hit a wall. In fact I have already hit a wall, I'm just waiting to see. Which will no doubt come in the days after a payment.

Looks awesome, but looks more like boarderlands gameplay than an MMORPG to me.

I can't argue with that, I agree. But it is an mmo so when will RPG mmo's catch up with other mmo's? As things stand the new 'traditional mmorpg's' are way behind. I'm not sure why.

Maybe because they are not using the best tools such as Snowdrop.. It's not something I know much about, or anything... $:\$

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/i-cant-believe-this-is-not-actual-video-of-a-forest-bu-1548347306

Oh I agree. I perhaps should have specified MMORPG in my first statement.

Allyah · June 2014

Yes

@GreySix‌
Actually, that article was just a review about ESO.

It doesn't mention what next generation is and no one seems to be able to provide a definition. It's a made up word sure to attract many interpretations because of its' subjective nature.

Tannakaobi · June 2014

No

dolanjamieb16_ESO wrote: »

Im saying yes because to me next gen is all about the graphics and on ultra its an amazingly stunning game

Is this the start to a 'Should've gone to Specsavers' campaign?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq3H1QZlct0

steveb16_ESO46 · June 2014

No

I guess Next Gen is one of those 'We'll know it when we see it' things. For all the good things about ESO there are I don't think we're seeing it here.

GreySix · June 2014

No

Allyah wrote: »

@GreySix‌
Actually, that article was just a review about ESO.

It doesn't mention what next generation is and no one seems to be able to provide a definition. It's a made up word sure to attract many interpretations because of its' subjective nature.

Understood, but thought the writer did a good job of describing how ESO follows a very familiar path of other MMOs, vice blazing new trails. Had they abandoned the leveling system made popular by WoW for example, that would have proved more trail-blazing.

Istyar · June 2014

No

No, ESO isn't a next gen MMO.

Without doubt ESO is the most beautiful MMO today, but it's not comparable with true next gen games, like Ryse and Infamous, BUT ESO is a MMO, and we CAN'T compare graphics of a single-player game with a Massive Multiplayer Game.

Well, the gameplay is diferente, the game is fully voiced and there and the leveling system is good, but the game lacks inovation.... Inovation is what make a game next gen or not.

I belive that ESO has the potential to be the better MMO of all time, we have Tamriel guys, Tamriel can only be compared to Tolkien's Middle Earth, Zenimax just have to continue the great work and bring inovations!

*Sorry my english*

mutharex · June 2014

Meanwhile that game that is supposedly next gen (ah ah ah) is having the same issues TESO had at launch:
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/forum/102-general-discussion/

bots, carbine you are killing the game, performance issues,the game is nothing new, we have the right to say the game is ***...

you know the usual bull you find in every MMO forum...

ah this is my fav:
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/40645-if-you-had-to-rate-this-game-now-what-would-you-give-it/

steveb16_ESO46 · June 2014

No

From the botters and hackers thread there:

So, I haven't seen any problem with this game, that is severely performance problems, preventing me from playing this game and enjoying it. But within the past 5 hours, I have seen over 15 different bots and hackers flying around the map instantly looting everything and flying off.

15 in 5 hours? Ha. You could see 15 in as many seconds dropping from the sky in some parts of Tamriel.

15 in 5 hours. GTFO of here.

Tannakaobi · June 2014

No

mutharex wrote: »

Meanwhile that game that is supposedly next gen (ah ah ah) is having the same issues TESO had at launch:
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/forum/102-general-discussion/

bots, carbine you are killing the game, performance issues,the game is nothing new, we have the right to say the game is ***...

you know the usual bull you find in every MMO forum...

ah this is my fav:
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/40645-if-you-had-to-rate-this-game-now-what-would-you-give-it/

Haha! That's like a mirror image...

To be fair WS is not a next gen game either imo...

steveb16_ESO46 · June 2014

No

WS certainly holds no appeal for me. Give me ESO, warts and all, any day of the week.

mutharex · June 2014

Tannakaobi wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

Meanwhile that game that is supposedly next gen (ah ah ah) is having the same issues TESO had at launch:
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/forum/102-general-discussion/

bots, carbine you are killing the game, performance issues,the game is nothing new, we have the right to say the game is ***...

you know the usual bull you find in every MMO forum...

ah this is my fav:
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/40645-if-you-had-to-rate-this-game-now-what-would-you-give-it/

Haha! That's like a mirror image...

To be fair WS is not a next gen game either imo...

I know, tried the beta and had a guest pass (only played couple of days, not my cup of tea) but I posted this just for the people who are hyping now WS and in September they'll be asking for server merges

Allyah · June 2014

Yes

@steveb16_ESO46‌
New definition for next-gen: "It makes you go 'Oooooh! Shiny!'"

@mutharex‌
Seek and ye shall find. Funny how some people think this is a horrible game doomed to fail using mainly forum interactions as a guide.

@GreySix‌
True enough.

vyrusb23 · June 2014

No

This is the first "MMO" that I've ever played where I am forced to solo many instanced missions. I wonder what the creators of this game don't understand about Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game.

AlexDougherty · June 2014

david271749 wrote: »

"Next gen"? What does next "next gen" really mean? Seems to be another advertising ploy.

^This^

On console Next Gen has meaning, because each generation of console improves and changes.

On PCs it's a non-sequitor, PCs generally broadly measure progress via the processor, the Ram, the video card, and a dozen other minor details, any of which can be run alongside earlier versions.

If you are asking do I think ESO is cutting edge, then no. If you have another less obvious meaning, then I haven't got a clue.

mutharex · June 2014

@Allyah‌ yeah seen many launches over the last 15-16 years and they always had one thing in common:toxic forums

Allyah · June 2014

Yes

vyrusb23 wrote: »

This is the first "MMO" that I've ever played where I am forced to solo many instanced missions. I wonder what the creators of this game don't understand about Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game.

What definition of next-gen are you using?

GreySix · June 2014

No

vyrusb23 wrote: »

This is the first "MMO" that I've ever played where I am forced to solo many instanced missions. I wonder what the creators of this game don't understand about Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game.

Yeah, the work-around my wife and I have for that now is to ignore the solo-only instances, which is a shame - since one of them involves the main story.

If she's up to it, we'll go back and face the instances vastly over-leveled, but that's just a half-measure work-around.

Concur fully that no MMO should never force solo-only instancing.

mutharex · June 2014

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

From the botters and hackers thread there:

So, I haven't seen any problem with this game, that is severely performance problems, preventing me from playing this game and enjoying it. But within the past 5 hours, I have seen over 15 different bots and hackers flying around the map instantly looting everything and flying off.

15 in 5 hours? Ha. You could see 15 in as many seconds dropping from the sky in some parts of Tamriel.

15 in 5 hours. GTFO of here.

True but give them time: they just activated their PLEX-like system, I can see bots explosion incoming.....

liquid_wolf · June 2014

No

Next Gen implies something new... radical... a revelation.

I have to say that ESO is a combination of some of the best MMORPGs we've seen in the past five or six years.

But with the way Next Gen gets thrown around by developers... sure why not.

mutharex · June 2014

liquid_wolf wrote: »

Next Gen implies something new... radical... a revelation.

I have to say that ESO is a combination of some of the best MMORPGs we've seen in the past five or six years.

But with the way Next Gen gets thrown around by developers... sure why not.

To be fair no one at ZOS ever mentioned next gen, but I remember a good letter from the devs to beta testers where they explained their vision and what they wanted to achieve and I wish they had reposted it as a sticky in this forum

AlexDougherty · June 2014

liquid_wolf wrote: »

Next Gen implies something new... radical... a revelation.

I have to say that ESO is a combination of some of the best MMORPGs we've seen in the past five or six years.

But with the way Next Gen gets thrown around by developers... sure why not.

But developers don't use the term, not unless they are referring to consoles, they prefer the older term cutting edge (generally), which is more relevant to PC/Mac games.

But I agree this isn't cutting edge.

GreySix · June 2014

No

mutharex wrote: »

liquid_wolf wrote: »

Next Gen implies something new... radical... a revelation.

I have to say that ESO is a combination of some of the best MMORPGs we've seen in the past five or six years.

But with the way Next Gen gets thrown around by developers... sure why not.

To be fair no one at ZOS ever mentioned next gen, but I remember a good letter from the devs to beta testers where they explained their vision and what they wanted to achieve and I wish they had reposted it as a sticky in this forum

"Play the way you want" may have been a self setup for failure on their part, since its so open to interpretation.

Pyatra · June 2014

Um.... no game is next gen in PC gaming, If OP is NOT a console gamer I would ask OP to never ever use that coined marketing phrase again.

fambaab16_ESO · June 2014

No

Just because an MMO has 1 or 2 new things and does things a bit differently than MMOs 10 years before its not Next Gen.
That doesnt mean ESO isnt new.
Next Gen describes something like petro driven cars, and new hybrid car with major propulsion from an electric engine, or completely electric.

Defining that is very hard.

A game has to almost open a completely new region. Like the first RTS Game, or the first MMO.

Clones are never Next Gen. But Clones can be better than original Games.

mutharex · June 2014

GreySix wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

liquid_wolf wrote: »

Next Gen implies something new... radical... a revelation.

I have to say that ESO is a combination of some of the best MMORPGs we've seen in the past five or six years.

But with the way Next Gen gets thrown around by developers... sure why not.

To be fair no one at ZOS ever mentioned next gen, but I remember a good letter from the devs to beta testers where they explained their vision and what they wanted to achieve and I wish they had reposted it as a sticky in this forum

"Play the way you want" may have been a self setup for failure on their part, since its so open to interpretation.

Yeah but I do play as I want. Surely there are 'better', 'more optimized' ways to play or better cookie cutter builds but that doesn't affect or bother me: I play the way I like not the way that gets me the most XP. FoTM builds are for a category of players who put efficiency above fun, a lot of people prefer fun though

steveb16_ESO46 · June 2014

No

mutharex wrote: »

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

From the botters and hackers thread there:

So, I haven't seen any problem with this game, that is severely performance problems, preventing me from playing this game and enjoying it. But within the past 5 hours, I have seen over 15 different bots and hackers flying around the map instantly looting everything and flying off.

15 in 5 hours? Ha. You could see 15 in as many seconds dropping from the sky in some parts of Tamriel.

15 in 5 hours. GTFO of here.

True but give them time: they just activated their PLEX-like system, I can see bots explosion incoming.....

Then I will feel sorry for them. You don't design a house with doors and windows that don't lock or open archways no matter how pretty.

You have to keep thinking - from the top to the bottom - is this easily exploitable?

If I were designing a game one of the first things I'd do is not have gold sinks that seriously impact on gameplay like the armour repairs and repecs do no matter how cool sounding the idea.

I like the ArcheAge approach where the stuff you really want - houses, farmland, plans for building galleons etc etc are bought using in game rewards obtained in ways that cannot be botted.

It's not foolproof by any means but it does put a big obstacle in the gold sellers path.

Sure - if I bought a ton of gold I could ask someone to buy a house plan with gilda and trade for the gold. But there's a resource limit in that there's only so much land for houses.

I'm sure Archeage will have problems but at least its coming out fighting.

Interestingly it has in the alpha a player reporting and arrest system to deal with bots. They are having to take it out as players just massively abused it as in a hundred players in a guild would attack another guild's trade fleet and systematically report all their opponents as bots or criminals (you need a lot of reports to trigger criminal status).

Then they'd bring in the guild members who had earned bounty hunter status, automatically sending them to prison and just stealing their trade fleet.