After firing up to 300 workers in the EU, do you still think they will move the EU server?
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Mablung✭✭✭✭✭I believe the thought is this specific title is in trouble. I could be wrong.
Yes, you could be. So could others.
This game has people singing it's death song since before it even launched. It's very tiring. There is no saying whether it's malicious intent, justified fear or just plain old negativity which is so prevalent in every gaming forum.
I do not understand at all why people need to speculate about a game's demise.
As for me, I enjoy the game - the good, the bad and the ugly - as long as it lasts and refuse to worry my pretty little head about things I have no factual knowledge about.
The one thing I DO know is, that I cannot set foot anywhere in the pre-Vet zones without stumbling over dozens of people. The beginner islands are almost as overrun as back in the beta days.
Levels 1 through 50 do have quite a few players. I attribute that to alts for those who hit VR12 and those who have given up on Vet content/leveling. It is nice to know that you enjoy the game but the fact is many do not and feel the need to share their displeasure here because they simply want to be heard or at the very least want the illusion of being heard.
People are speculating on the games downturn because so many of their guildmates/friends have stopped playing. They see the problems in game for themselves. Not because they read it here on the forums. People express their frustrations here because they DO care about the game. Nobody genuinely wants to see it fail. Nobody to my knowledge has even expressed such.
I hope the game succeeds, but I am also rational enough to read the writing on the wall. I hope you and those like you continue to enjoy the game.0 -
Uviryth✭✭✭✭✭I actually never believed they would move the servers to EU anytime soon. Most certainly not before the Beta-Test (aka the PC-Version of ESO) is over.0 -
bugulu✭✭✭Yes, i think they will still move the EU server in an EU country.I actually never believed they would move the servers to EU anytime soon. Most certainly not before the Beta-Test (aka the PC-Version of ESO) is over.
People who thought that an EU migration would happen before summer clearly have no experience in what job is necessary for that.
Zenimax knew this as well but since gamers now a days are impatient, it's better to tell a white lie that the EU launch is coming soon rather than during/after summer.
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✭Don`t care.I voted dont care because if the story turns out to be true they will imediately lose my sub. What a disgraceful way to treat people !High Elf Sorcerer VR12 - Destro / Resto Staff
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Uviryth✭✭✭✭✭
A responsible mmo-publisher would have had the EU-Servers up and running before the game-launch. Especially one with a big office in Europe.I actually never believed they would move the servers to EU anytime soon. Most certainly not before the Beta-Test (aka the PC-Version of ESO) is over.
People who thought that an EU migration would happen before summer clearly have no experience in what job is necessary for that.
Zenimax knew this as well but since gamers now a days are impatient, it's better to tell a white lie that the EU launch is coming soon rather than during/after summer.
Or, if he couldnt manage that, hire a contractor.
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Anastasia✭✭✭✭Yes, i think they will still move the EU server in an EU country.
-Temp jobs. Customer service people. Unfortunately (sorry) the most replaceable people of any software company.
Realistically, all CS can be outsourced to highly trained, dirt cheap Indian call centers. Being a business owner, I would do the exact same.
Now, letting go of engineers, product people, inbound marketing folk - that is much more a sign of a downward spiral.
Customer service people. Hahahahahahhahahahaha. What are these "Customer Service People"? Oh, not there anymore. I see
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Nuksuu✭✭✭Hmmm....the drop off in Gold Farmers has a suspicious correlation to the timing of these terminations. O.O@Nuksuu - Werewolf Rights Advocate- Ursi Yarsbruk - Nord Night Blade (Rank 10 Berserker Werewolf)
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Morticielle✭✭✭No, i don`t think they will move the EU server in an EU country.Quote: "Up to 200 employees were let go after just three weeks with the company – including a week of training."
They wouldn't fire them this quick if the game would do great. So I presume that EU-Megaserver isn't coming any time soon (or ever).
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✭✭Yes, i think they will still move the EU server in an EU country.Someone please explain to me how lay-offs in Galway, Ireland are related to, or impacting a server farm under construction in Frankfurt/Main, Germany.1 -
wrlifeboil✭✭✭✭✭If you're trying to connect the loss of CS jobs in Ireland to the expected server deployment in Germany, I think you made a bad connection.1 -
steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭No, i don`t think they will move the EU server in an EU country.You cannot connect these lay-offs to the server move. Not that I think the move will ever happen anyway.
I suspect that the financial performance of ESO is probably not on track and all sorts of changes and retrenchments are going on behind the scenes of which this is a part.
You don't take on this many people on a six month contract, give them a weeks training and 2 weeks later lay them off without something being wrong. Probably related to console issues.0 -
ThyIronFist✭✭✭✭✭Yes, i think they will still move the EU server in an EU country.Gotta stay positive... must not... give up...The Elder Zergs Online
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Leggit✭✭great... another drama thread. it was already stated last week in the road ahead post that server migration was still on the cards. customer service has nothing to do with server related issues.
On a side note...the data centre (that's were the servers are housed) is based in Germany. last time i checked the commute from Ireland (the customer service centre) to Germany was a was a real [SNIP]* . some of you really really need to get a life.
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Sindala✭✭✭✭✭great... another drama thread. it was already stated last week in the road ahead post that server migration was still on the cards. for those of you with a pea sized brain, customer service has nothing to do with server related issues.
On a side note...the data centre (that's were the servers are housed) is based in Germany. last time i checked the commute from Ireland (the customer service centre) to Germany was a was a real b***h ^^ . some of you really really need to get a life.
Unless they have now decided there isn't enough population to justify both mega-servers and were all just gonna be merged with the NA server.
Remember, just because a post is wrote one day don't mean the suits can't change their minds the next day. Mega-servers are hugely expensive to run and if you can't justify it then I can't see any management saying "well it's gonna cost us but we said we'd give it to them and we can't go back on our word...."Edited by Sindala on June 11, 2014 9:26AMBeing First is not the prize, it just mean's everyone can stab you in the back.0 -
zhevon✭✭✭✭Yes, i think they will still move the EU server in an EU country.Beginning of May, they pushed back the console release. 'Nuf said.
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That article is basically this : A probable fact (who the hell is Connacht Tribune?), spun into a tragic story of individuals seemingly portrayed as victim to a heartless and greedy company. The tone of the article is not neutral, and the use of words such as 'disgrace' although it is in a quote, serves to sway public opinion against the company. So by extension of that argument everyone who creates jobs in the 1st place is gonna be evil somedays. Oh the quality of journalism nowadays.
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Rocksteady✭✭✭Yes, i think they will still move the EU server in an EU country.I'm glad I'm not a CS rep for ESO..."Their stupidity does not amaze me, its when they're smart that amazes me. It's baffling whenever you find someone who's smart — incredible. Soon you'll have zoos for such things." -Frank Zappa0 -
fromtesonlineb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Don`t care.I play from Europe just fine, the server location is irrelevant to me.0 -
Mothanos✭✭✭No, i don`t think they will move the EU server in an EU country.Would have cared 2 months ago, but havent loged in for 2 months and my sub is ending this week.
No amount of fixing can make this mmo a top notch product unless they do a Naoki Yoshida....but that aint happening so it will die a slow death like Warhammer before it.
Let the fanboys march in boys ! nothing wrong with ESO !0 -
Dusty5✭✭✭No, i don`t think they will move the EU server in an EU country.Temp or full time is not the point. It costs money to hire/process and train new people. Top cost of any business is people followed by everything else. If your headed on the fast track to bankruptcy the first thing to go is your workers. For ZOS to burn that kind of money to cycle 300 people in and out that quickly they are in serious trouble.0
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Domperidon✭✭Yes, i think they will still move the EU server in an EU country.Still dont see reason why wouldnt they move server to EU in next few months0
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stungateb14_ESO✭✭✭No, i don`t think they will move the EU server in an EU country.no. i wouldnt be surprised if a lot more countries start telling US companies to keep their NSA spying data centers out of their countries,
also what happened with d3 eu launch in german courts probably scares them a little.Edited by stungateb14_ESO on June 11, 2014 1:24PM0 -
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✭Don`t care.
Quite possible, though that would hardly slow down or hamper the NSA, since most companies broadcast their information all over cyberspace anyway.stungateb14_ESO wrote: »no. i wouldnt be surprised if a lot more countries start telling US companies to keep their NSA spying data centers out of their countries...Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Night_Watch✭✭✭Yes, i think they will still move the EU server in an EU country.I voted yes but I think there should have been an 'I'm not sure either way' option.
This spoiler is a bit long but has some of my thoughts on the matter;I have read the article and as far as I can tell it is a genuine article in a genuine local newspaper.
The article, it seems, is based on the very loose evidence of 'one employee' though. As I understand it the job losses have been confirmed (a link to the confirmation information could be useful). The reason for the job losses is still not clear though as I see it.
There does seem to be evidence of 'I got let go of and I don't like it so I'm going to vent my outrage to a local journalist' in the article, it is evident that the article does not give a clear picture of why the employees were no longer needed and (to me) there is more than just a little splattering of sensationalism in the article - got to sell the paper after all.
It's sad to hear of so many job loses, even when the jobs were temporary. It's even worse to hear of the losses in the current 'climate' where jobs are so hard to get and to keep. And it is not good to hear that the employees may only have been given a very short time of and sudden notice.
Thing is, here in the UK (at least) such short notice is not unusual. I know people that do different types of temporary work that are fully aware that their job contract could end at any time. There are seasonal workers, 'cover' workers and workers on zero hours contracts that I know and each knows that their job is temporary. In the case of my friend who was on zero hours contract (not now), he did not know how many hours a week or even per day he would be working or if at all! He did know the contract could be ended at any time by the employer and that, when this happened, he would have no job.
The article has some inconsistancy too! 'Upto' could mean anything - upto 200 could mean 10! Twenty or thirty? Why was the newspaper unable to contact 'a representative for the company or its recruitment agency yesterday'? Why not try to contact the concerned parties before releasing the article?
There's a lot of assumption and speculation in this thread. The article states;
'The workers at the facility in Rahoon are understood to have been hired on short-term contracts, but were let go prior to the completion of the contracts.'
And later;
'It’s understood that there are now just over 100 employees at the European customer services centre in the Rahoon Business Park (near B&Q).'
So! I think it fair to assume the article is about the same place of work in both statements.
We are not told why the workers were employed though. It could be fair to assume the workers were wanted in line with TESO either on PC / Mac or for console. We simply do not know this as a certainty though. We do not know if the workers were wanted due to TESO or for another product! Zenimax has more 'on its plate' than TESO.
We cannot fairly deduce from the article or job losses that TESO is a 'sinking ship' either.
We cannot, in all fairness, make any assumption regarding an EU server for TESO moving to the EU from any of this either - job losses, article or this thread.
I like TESO but do not like the faults therein (the devs do seem to be working on fixes). I would like to have an EU based EU server. I hope that TESO will become stronger and better and believe that an EU based EU server could go a long way to help fix the problems many EU server players are reporting. I cannot make any sound judgement regards any of this based on the article in question, any reported job losses or this thread though.
Let's hope all things TESO get better. Let's play the game or not (each to their own). Let's not get too carried away by assumptions or speculation though.
Edit: Bit of a tidy up!Edited by Night_Watch on June 11, 2014 2:04PM"If there is an underlying oneness of all things, it does not matter where we begin, whether with stars, or laws of supply and demand, or frogs, or Napoleon Bonaparte. One measures a circle, beginning anywhere."
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coryevans_3b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭The firings are NORMAL for any mmo post launch. Also, they are even MORE normal since they said they were delaying the EU server move and those were temp jobs. Mountains out of mole hills doesn't even begin to describe what you are doing. Drama queen.
Edit: To add even more to the fact that you are confused, these were customer service positions that were specifically for the Eu server. Which, again, was delayed. The company would be stupid to keep paying temp employees when the server was delayed. Good lord find something to do.Edited by coryevans_3b14_ESO on June 11, 2014 2:06PM0 -
zhevon✭✭✭✭Yes, i think they will still move the EU server in an EU country.
And bet you the reason why they were laid-off prematurely - is if they kept them certain labor laws would probably kick-in making them harder/more expensive to fire. Just speculation ....cisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO wrote: »That article is basically this : A probable fact (who the hell is Connacht Tribune?), spun into a tragic story of individuals seemingly portrayed as victim to a heartless and greedy company. The tone of the article is not neutral, and the use of words such as 'disgrace' although it is in a quote, serves to sway public opinion against the company. So by extension of that argument everyone who creates jobs in the 1st place is gonna be evil somedays. Oh the quality of journalism nowadays.
Don't get me wrong I am sorry for the people involved. And as far a journalism they have been picking sides for generations AND if they are "professionals" they probably have a lot in common with the people laid off (in the sense it effing hard to get a paying job as a journalist).
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snowmanflvb14_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes, i think they will still move the EU server in an EU country.Hmm 200 of them were hired on two week contracts.Trained for 1 week worked for 2. Seems they completed the job they were hired to do.Magic is impressive but now Minsc leads SWORDS FOR EVERYONE!!2
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, i think they will still move the EU server in an EU country.snowmanflvb14_ESO wrote: »Hmm 200 of them were hired on two week contracts.Trained for 1 week worked for 2. Seems they completed the job they were hired to do.
This.
I don't see how people are drawing parallels between the EU server (which they've already stated is on track to go live this summer) and temporary workers having (surprise!) temporary jobs.----
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