The unnoticed secret of ESO that could change everything...

Blackwidow · June 2014

GrimlockSaves wrote: »

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I'm glad you like the game now that you are actually playing it the way the designers set forth.

I like the quests as well. ESO can be a fun game.

However, calling people haters because they have a problem with the game seems like you still have a lot to learn.

People who list problems with the game are not haters. They are people who love the game who want it fixed.

If you don't believe that, then you are one of the haters, but just hating on the posters instead of the issues.

lioslinn · June 2014

c0rp wrote: »

Hard to imagine...but the people playing this game the way it was meant to be played really enjoy the game.

This, well said!

Mordack · June 2014

Well Zenimax had it easy with the lore seeing as the series is 20 years old. One immersion-breaking thing though is some of these books are from the future. Maybe Crassius Curio is actually several centuries old by the time Morrowind takes place...

lioslinn · June 2014

MrDenimChicken wrote: »

The quests in this game are at times great, most of the time very average and repetitive. And yet people are calling it brilliant? really?

There aren't any cut scenes. Most quests are pretty anti climactic with limited effects, or with bosses that don't have any phasing or don't even say anything. There are so many times where all I can think to myself at the end of the quest is: really? that's it?.

While I agree the general premise of this thread I did want to nuance it: as above I also think the quests do get repetitive. I think they did a good job overall. I am tempted to say they did the best the mmo framework can allow for... Then I log into the secret world and remember just how awesome their quests are. Superb acting and cut scene for every single quest. Interesting, colourful characters that make you want to find out more and yes actually help them. And the great investigation quests where you have to actually *gasp* think

I wish ESO quests were as awesome as tsw. I also find the factions a bit contrived and not really credible, they detract from the storylines

Worstluck · June 2014

I read probably 90% of the quests through the first time, but I have to admit, that I was not really interested in the Dominion or Pact stories. I chose Daggerfall Covenant for a reason

nerevarine1138 · June 2014

Worstluck wrote: »

I read probably 90% of the quests through the first time, but I have to admit, that I was not really interested in the Dominion or Pact stories. I chose Daggerfall Covenant for a reason

Really? The Dominion has some of the best storylines, for my money.

coryevans_3b14_ESO · June 2014

Coggage wrote: »

Stories doth not maketh the game, at least not for me. I couldn't give a damn about some made-up backstory, to be honest. I've read waaaay too many of them over the last 15 years to have even the faintest shred of interest left in them.

You should be playing call of duty, or some other mindless game. Folks like you have ruined more mmorpgs then I can count.

Worstluck · June 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Worstluck wrote: »

I read probably 90% of the quests through the first time, but I have to admit, that I was not really interested in the Dominion or Pact stories. I chose Daggerfall Covenant for a reason

Really? The Dominion has some of the best storylines, for my money.

It's the Altmer. I can't stand them. The Bosmer too with their Green Pact, drives me crazy!

I will admit that I did love some of the stories on the dominion side, but as far as role-playing aspect I despised assisting Queen Ayrenn. The Pact stories were not bad either, although Shadowfen was pretty meh to me.

xanikk999 · June 2014

Perhaps ZOS has paid attention and realized in all MMOs, class balance and bugs are a constant, but good stories are few and far between

This is purely subjective and I have to disagree with you there.

I love Elder scrolls lore but I don't think the run of the mill quests outside the main story line or guilds are all that interesting in this game.

In regards to the lore books they are fun to read but I don't think having good class balance, bug fixes, AND good stories are mutually exclusive nor a rarity.

GrimlockSaves · June 2014

xanikk999 wrote: »

Perhaps ZOS has paid attention and realized in all MMOs, class balance and bugs are a constant, but good stories are few and far between

This is purely subjective and I have to disagree with you there.

I love Elder scrolls lore but I don't think the run of the mill quests outside the main story line or guilds are all that interesting in this game.

In regards to the lore books they are fun to read but I don't think having good class balance, bug fixes, AND good stories are mutually exclusive nor a rarity.

Agreed - it is subjective according to personal observations.

stungateb14_ESO · June 2014

adamrussell52_ESO wrote: »

I honestly think this is the best of the ES series.

Virtual forum punch in the nose!

boogie95 · June 2014

brandon wrote: »

GrimlockSaves wrote: »

After reaching V12 in a kind of vanity crazed rush, I decided to play the game differently... Two things:
I started listening to quest givers and learning the story of what is going on.

I started to read lore books.

As if it were some kind of untold secret, and to my surprise, the stories behind quests are incredibly good and entertaining! The lore books are well written and full of entertaining drama and humor. I was reminded of the fact that this is an RPG, not just an MMO.

I then went on to think, maybe there are a lot of bugs and issues, but maybe ZOS had a strong focus on delivering a beautiful MMO world with a rich RPG lore.

Perhaps ZOS has paid attention and realized in all MMOs, class balance and bugs are a constant, but good stories are few and far between. Have you noticed how fixing quests and story progression has taken a priority in many instances?

Maybe they DIDN'T expect fans to superficially disregard quests and story lines (except for when they are broken) to such a monumental degree.

For all the haters and power levelers who are rocking this like an MMO FPS, I highly recommend trying to play it like an MMORPG. Yes, there is no immediate "look at me and my shiny gear" rewards, but there are good stories.

Like ANY relationship in the entire world, if you focus on the negative seek to find faults, you will find them and they will make you a negative and unhappy person. If you focus on the positive and seek good things, you will find them and they will endow you with the patience to weather any puny storm of negativity.

thank you finally someone who gets it

the problem your not understanding is that this is a rpg series about play and story its what made es i my self have followed every es game and this one rocks as well

ThisOnePosts · June 2014

I only read what the OP had to say, as I can already predict with accuracy comments to follow positive, negative, and neutral. OP --- I agree, it is very entertaining and extremely well written. It's not the only reason I play ESO, but it's one of the reasons I believe it's in a league of its own.

cisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO · June 2014

I thought the secret is that Jerry Bruckheimer and a Trump name is on the list of investors in the Zenimax mothership

htoncic · June 2014

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Patience? Perish the thought.
I agree, though, you need to give it time. Expecting the game to be fully polished 2-3 months after release is just absurd, and while there are some serious bugs/exploits out there, they are being looked at. Again, give it time.

Quite right. I expect the game, in fact, any product, to be fully polished upon release, not 2-3 months later.

On topic, you actually like the stories here, OP? I read all the quests in my pre-vet levelling and about halfway through my first vet alliance. Then I started rushing through due to being bored out of my mind. My gameplay experience has improved dramatically since then.

Sindala · June 2014

SDZald wrote: »

I am a huge fan of the Elder Scrolls world, I was just bummed they made it into an MMO. The only reason I allowed myself to dragged into another MMO was it was ES. I would have been MUCH happier had they put their efforts into another single player game.

I thought ESO was a single player game

zhevon · June 2014

Mordack wrote: »

Well Zenimax had it easy with the lore seeing as the series is 20 years old. One immersion-breaking thing though is some of these books are from the future. Maybe Crassius Curio is actually several centuries old by the time Morrowind takes place...

I had not been paying close attention : but I suspected as much.

[edit : but I am enjoying them anyway]

Arsenic_Touch · June 2014

You can't expect people to actually read things. It's the internet.

Sometimes I wonder why certain people even play rpgs if they ignore all the elements of rpgs. It appears that most people would just want a flat terrain room where they can just kill respawning bugs over and over again with bigger numbers as they gain levels with epic loots.

bugulu · June 2014

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

You can't expect people to actually read things. It's the internet.

Sometimes I wonder why certain people even play rpgs if they ignore all the elements of rpgs. It appears that most people would just want a flat terrain roo where they can just kill respawning bugs over and over again with bigger numbers as they gain levels with epic loots.

Careful, you're gonna get close to people calling out that you should let them play however they want.

In a more serious note, why play RPG at all if you are not interested in the story? Clicking through quest dialogue and completing the quest as fast as possible and when stumbling upon a quest which requires you to read through the quest dialogue else you will not be able to complete it, don't forget to shout the obligatory "BUG!" or "Stupid quest".

Lodestar · June 2014

I really, really wish ZOS implemented a lore journal, where every book you read, was copied there to read any time. I do not have the time, or inclination to spend 15 minutes, being interrupted by mobs re spawning in open world and quest areas, while I try to read a book.

AlexDougherty · June 2014

Lodestar wrote: »

I really, really wish ZOS implemented a lore journal, where every book you read, was copied there to read any time. I do not have the time, or inclination to spend 15 minutes, being interrupted by mobs re spawning in open world and quest areas, while I try to read a book.

Would be nice, especially the racial motif books, they are kind of interesting.

bugulu · June 2014

Lodestar wrote: »

I really, really wish ZOS implemented a lore journal, where every book you read, was copied there to read any time. I do not have the time, or inclination to spend 15 minutes, being interrupted by mobs re spawning in open world and quest areas, while I try to read a book.

Till Zenimax have made the feature, have you taken a look at Librarian Book Manager?
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info188-LibrarianBookManager.html

Siluen · June 2014

Lodestar wrote: »

I really, really wish ZOS implemented a lore journal, where every book you read, was copied there to read any time. I do not have the time, or inclination to spend 15 minutes, being interrupted by mobs re spawning in open world and quest areas, while I try to read a book.

I believe you have not yet finished the Mage Guild questline then, because doing so basically implements just that.

isengrimb16_ESO · June 2014

Rastaban wrote: »

I have to disagree. I think the quests could be better. The whole premise of the game's storyline is that we don't have a soul because it's been taken but we get back to Tamriel in our bodies anyway. What would be the repercussions of losing one's soul? In ESO, not having a soul seems to make no difference. It would have been much better for one's soul to mean something.

But it does; it allows us to do certain things and go certain places that normal people can't.

Bloodfang · June 2014

MMORPG players are slowly realizing what the word "RPG" means.

Quests and Story are the very core of any game, yet somehow all other MMOs managed to ruin that, and put repetitive, pointless tasks.

ESO brings that experience back and restores some faith in MMO genre. Needless to say with so many people bashing on the game for this very feature, is just not restoring any faith in humanity for me.

I have to say that this generation of gamers (mostly MMO gamers) is the most lazy, unintellectual and ignorant ever.

Valaren · June 2014

Background, books and quests stories are some of the best things in ESO in my oppinion, something I'm glad to see in this game that hasn't get too much care on other MMORPGs. Also, it's part of the fun you get playing a RPG too.

Knootewoot · June 2014

I listened to every stinkin' quest and yes, i loved it. Except the veteran levels because it one lame excuse for extra content. I did not like the story in AD. And for EP i had to kill my kinsman right away (covenant).

Game is great, i love talking to none quest NPC's who sometimes give locations and have fun talk. PvP is great imho.

Except i can't find any fun in the V levels. I am now V7 nightblade and doing pretty well. I don't try to solo group dungeons, but sometimes i have to kill 2-3 mobs for a solo quest and i die in one blow with some enemies. And there are those NPC's who can fully heal, and even with interupt it takes to long. and when there are 2 npc's who heal eachother while doing major damage i just have to wait for someone to come by. And in V7 it is rare to see other players. Yesterday i only saw 3-4 people and on every spot i waited the same 4 people came to help.

SWTOR had excellent story for those who did not play it. Agent was so great i did the story twice. Also subquests where awesome and has the best spoken quests ever.

mibeal · June 2014

I am one of the mmorpg consuming beasts but after reading these posts it really makes me want to slow down. I only really played Skyrim for other ES games and did enjoy it. I need to get the mmo mentality out of my brain that I need to rush to the end because that's where the real game begins.

Blackwidow · June 2014

Despair9 wrote: »

I have to say that this generation of gamers (mostly MMO gamers) is the most lazy, unintellectual and ignorant ever.[/i][/b]

I will say, you are making that point come across nicely, all by yourself.

ESO does have great good quests. However, that is hardly the bulk of the complaints about this game.

Here are just a few...

The power gap between levels in Cyrodiil.
Lack of end game
lack of a real auction house.
Near empty PvP / The pvp is the most badly designed pvp i have ever played.
Lack of feedback from devs
impossible to find any roleplay because of the way the phasing system works
Bugs/crashes
class balance is utter crap.
5 guilds system sucks
Inventory GUI is horrible
being forced into solo play quests
No way of changing skill morphs without a full respec. Also, crazy respec cost.
15 minute long 'raids'
Alchemy... just all of it... the fact that only 3 potions are of any real benefit, the fact that 2 completely different potions have the same name just because their 1st effect on the list is the same, the small amount of reagents...
Lag
Rapid Gear Decay.
Overall direction of game
Reasoning behind changing things because of bots
megaserver/phasing/sharding system
VR1 - VR12 Farming (Anomaly, Balmath etc)
Broke abilities and passives
intimidate/persuade but it does not translate to the other players choice if they cannot select it...
instances of grouping are sometimes not working
Memory leak problems
Bad grouping tools
the 'quick'slot system designed for consoles
Tiny banks / Inventory space minigame taking about 25% of my play time
guild store gui is bad /guild store does not work
Unresponsive combat
the lack of direction and interaction from/with the devs
Bad guild banks options
Lack of an real open world
not seeing enemy players due to them not loaded on your screen
Can't reply in mail
No dueling
poor atrocity that is VR leveling. / would like to see more possibilities to level from v1 to v12.
No underwater swimming
No law system
I don't like the part where I can't login for 4 days because of Error 301.
No housing
Lack of user friendly GUI
No options for floating names
No way to preview gear on your character before actually equipping it.

Just to list a few.

Sidney · June 2014

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

Well today is your lucky day. You will soon have the "joy" of being forced through two more faction's entire 1-50 content of the same storyline told from a different pov whether you want to or not on your main just to complete the main storyline. Yes, it gets boring it's the same story told different and it makes leveling a different class to completion to experience a different flavor of the game a total pita.

I doubt I'll get bored. I've been looking forward to playing through the other factions both as a 50 and new char. I played to 20 in beta, I played to 20 on one char before I rerolled because I wanted to try something new. I've done the EB storyline up to deshan 2x and I'm already considering which alt to level next.

I'll be fine

For those of us who truly enjoy the story and read it like a book, it's not boring.