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Racism in zone chats.
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Kingslayer✭✭✭After the Patriot act, no one is free. Anything you say can be defined as terrorism and you can be detained and interrogated (tortured) indefinitely. Welcome to the New World Order.
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✭Bah, just learn to ignore stuff you don't like. Unless something is directed at you you are essentially eaves dropping on a public conversation, albeit one that may be coarse and unseemly. You may want to minimize the chat box anyway. There is really no need for it unless you are grouping and then you can open a tab just for that.1 -
Loco_Mofo✭✭✭✭✭Isn't this precisely what the ignore button is for?
You don't like what someone is saying? BAM ignored...0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »I find it stupid anyway, if anyone can use it then all should be able to, its racist towards white people not to allow them to use it when every movie out there has black people saying it no problem. There are even songs with the name in the title...
You always know you're in for a treat when you read the words "racist against white people.
Let me break this down in a simple way maybe you can understand. Imagine you have a little brother. Like all siblings, you fight some times. Sometimes, you even call your little brother "[snip]."
How do you react when someone you've never met hits your little brother and calls him "[snip]?"
That's tribalism on its most fundamental level. You have different privileges with your "tribe" than those outside the tribe do, whether that tribe is your family, your nation-state, your religion, or your ethnic/racial group.
So no, it's not racist against white people to say black people can use the N-word and white people can't. Not even a little bit. It's incredibly narrow-minded and self-involved to claim that it is.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]Edited by ZOS_LeroyW on June 11, 2014 12:31PM"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle0 -
Drasn✭✭✭✭Isn't this precisely what the ignore button is for?
You don't like what someone is saying? BAM ignored...
That would be too easy, instead we live in a world of PC crusaders that only exist because we as a society allow them to make issues out of everything.
It's feels like one day we are all going to be walking around with gags in our mouths, hands tied behind our backs while the powers that be hand us our participation trophies.0 -
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✭Fact is, both white and black people can use any word they want, but the consequences could be different depending on the circumstances.
On the internet, the "N" word is more offensive than the "F" word because we can't see a persons ethnicity.Edited by SFBryan18 on June 11, 2014 4:13AM1 -
Drasn✭✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »I find it stupid anyway, if anyone can use it then all should be able to, its racist towards white people not to allow them to use it when every movie out there has black people saying it no problem. There are even songs with the name in the title...
You always know you're in for a treat when you read the words "racist against white people.
Let me break this down in a simple way maybe you can understand. Imagine you have a little brother. Like all siblings, you fight some times. Sometimes, you even call your little brother "[snip]."
How do you react when someone you've never met hits your little brother and calls him "[snip]?"
That's tribalism on its most fundamental level. You have different privileges with your "tribe" than those outside the tribe do, whether that tribe is your family, your nation-state, your religion, or your ethnic/racial group.
So no, it's not racist against white people to say black people can use the N-word and white people can't. Not even a little bit. It's incredibly narrow-minded and self-involved to claim that it is.
Using your example we are assuming that if you see someone hit his own brother and call him a [snip] that should somehow offend you as well.
You are right about tribalism, in that you do have certain privileges within your own "tribe." The key word is within. Outlawing or censoring certain words from anyone's vocabulary does nothing but fuel a fire. It's only a thing because society makes it a thing.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]Edited by ZOS_LeroyW on June 11, 2014 12:33PM1 -
isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Outside the USA, not all of us Western countries have "freedom of speech" protected as such; neither do we get to vote on every little thing.
So the ideologues impose things on us, slowly, over the course of 40 or 50 years, that the citizens never asked nor voted for - social experiments like multiculturalism and mass immigration from third world countries and such were shoved down our throat so gently, that many didn't start noticing until it was way too late. Yet, we're not allowed to complain about it, or point out the downsides of their great social experimenting; we're only allowed to say what we've been fed about it. In the case of Canada: "We've always been a multicultural country" (only in a limited sense that really went about as far as Eastern Europe, and assimilated Chinese from Hong Kong.) "Canadians have no culture of their own; you're just apes of the British and Americans". (Not true. We never had a national identity, but we always had regional ones that were a popular source of humour.) "Diversity is our strength" (Huh, I was always taught strength came from unity.) "We have a serious labour shortage" (Then why the large welfare and EI rolls?)
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It's all really Orwellian, right down to the spy cameras everywhere, and citizens ratting each other out over any little thing, sometimes for a money reward, and people who run magazines getting hauled into Star Chambers (which are outside the normal law, under the auspices of a human rights commission) because they reprinted (with permission) those cartoons from Denmark that caused such a fuss, in an article about freedom of speech.
Like a covered pot slowly boiling, we're starting to notice the steam. I'm not going to try to rationalize either side of the argument, I'm just saying we shouldn't be surprised to find that the Utopia the hippies and their intellectual heirs envision can never exist; censorship isn't going to wallpaper that over. And all totalitarian ideologies tell us people should follow them and despise dissenters because "it's the right thing to do."
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Ragekniv✭✭✭Racism? Absolutely, crush them.
Religious preference? Really? I ignore religion and political banter in game and elsewhere in life. It's a personal choice, engaging in it is pointless.
Players in forums and game chat seem entirely too sensitive and reactionary to light hearted banter! Oooooh, I better slap the flag comment or report them! Just stop!Edited by Ragekniv on June 11, 2014 9:06AM1 -
Sallakat✭✭✭Ummmm what, you get attacked by bringing up matters like faith and that's racism? oooooook then.
And I do believe that matters of faith are the biggest/easiest way to stir up ***, so you're asking for it if you go around babbling about jebus :PRebuilt - Aldmeri Dominion
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@Dusty5, since you provide no [even santisied] examples it's impossible to know if you have a point are just over-sensitive.Before anyone starts in the chat filter does not cover this. This is getting out of control and needs to be taken care of. People spamming racial attacks/slurs and attacking people of faith. Most are repeat offenders, people complain myself and others have taken screenshots and sent in reports but nothing seems to happen. Really how hard is it to investigate? seems like a no brainer to me.
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✭✭GrimCyclone wrote: »*looks at topic title*
*sees three pages of posts*
Ah, the cacophony of white-guilt libbies!
Such a right wing comment.
I'm a left wing democrat, but I have a great sense of humor and have no problem with being way off base with the PC crap.
I don't think any topic should be off the table as far as humor is concerned. As long as that humor is in the right context and is not purposely used to hurt others.
I don't think any word should be banned or censored. I do think certain words should be handled in the right context.
Even the N word is not in itself a bad word. Only when used to hurt others is it abused.
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Venithar✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »As others have mentioned, people attacking your faith is a totally separate problem from racial slurs. Everyone agrees that racial slurs should get people banned.
Your faith is a personal choice and belief system that you embrace. If you choose to bring it up in chat, you don't get to complain when it's attacked.
Well then, don't bring your race up in chat. See what I did there? I highly doubt the OP brought up his religion (and in a lot of cases people were brought up in a religion from birth, so it is as much part of who they are as is the color of their skin) just as I doubt anyone said "I'm black" in chat to inspire people to start being racist. Meaning quit trying to justify insulting religions while condemning racism, both things are very much the same thing in regards to hate speech.
Edit: It's also a choice to be offended by racist remarks in an online game.Edited by Venithar on June 11, 2014 9:20AM0 -
steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭You just got to turn chat off in every game because in every game it is full of kids and witless fools who just don't have a shred of self-awareness or restraint. This game isn't even that bad.
Chat in game isn't there for normal people. Best just keep out of it in any game.Edited by steveb16_ESO46 on June 11, 2014 9:23AM2 -
Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Your faith is a personal choice and belief system that you embrace. If you choose to bring it up in chat, you don't get to complain when it's attacked.
Oh I dunno about that.
If somebody says something along the lines of "All @#$%!! <insert religious faction here> are the @#^$ing bane of the earth and all deserve to hang any their @#$#! for their %@#$!ing evil ways! <insert more explicit vulgarities here in any random order>"
Then yeah... I do believe they are allowed to complain.
When you consider that almost all wars are about religion or land you can see why people may have a problem when other people bring these things up.
So like what was said before 'Your faith is a personal choice and belief system that you embrace. If you choose to bring it up in chat, you don't get to complain when it's attacked'
in the same way you would be attacked if you started trying to sell people home insurance, it's a pretty simple concept, but one some religious people don't seem to grasp.
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Venithar✭✭✭Tannakaobi wrote: »'Your faith is a personal choice and belief system that you embrace. If you choose to bring it up in chat, you don't get to complain when it's attacked'
Expecting everyone to care that you are black / yellow / green / pink / orange / whatever color you want to call yourself is a choice as well, and your choice to embrace the color of your skin as a part of who you are is as much a choice as a person who embraces their religion as a part of who they are. Furthermore, blaming religions for causing wars is just foolish.
The Crusades - were as much a land grab as anything religious, even if the 2 were connected (Jerusalem).
World War I - had nothing to do with religion, it was a land grab.
World War II - was a land grab with the added part of trying to kill everyone of a certain religion.
Mexican War - land grab
Civil War (US, though I believe most could be this as well) - idealogic war
Coup D'etat - normally I would say this was a power hungry guy wanting more power, though in some cases it may legitimately be done to save a country from itself
All those European wars - expansion
All those massive empires from way way back, you know, like Greece under Alexander and Rome - expansion
I could go on, but why bother.Edited by Venithar on June 11, 2014 9:55AM1 -
Rocksteady✭✭✭Basically it works like this. If you think you should be allowed to talk about how much you love a god(the god or gods of your choosing), other people should be allowed to talk about how they hate that god(s). If somebody tells me I'm a heathen and explains how I'm gonna burn in hell, I have no problem explaining all the faults in their religion and calling them a few names as well. If nobody calls me names and pushes their beliefs on me, then I remain quite tranquil and pleasant to be around. This works both ways obviously...
But to turn into a crybaby and /report people who you are actively arguing with makes you just as immature as them. And if you can't handle people talking about something that isn't directed at you(if you aren't talking then odds are it's not directed at you) then maybe you should turn general chat off... Just because something makes YOU gasp and cry doesn't mean it's off limits for the rest of the world."Their stupidity does not amaze me, its when they're smart that amazes me. It's baffling whenever you find someone who's smart — incredible. Soon you'll have zoos for such things." -Frank Zappa2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Is this a widespread problem? I've encountered this exactly one time, asked the offender to stop, then reported him or her because he or she continued to make the racist comments. BTW, I play on the EU server and don't always keep an eye on chat.0 -
Lodestar✭✭✭✭HelpingHand wrote: »Learn to leave faith out of conversation in an online video game, where people of all sorts of beliefs will exist, and you won't have this problem. If you bring up faith in a conversation and then you can't handle peoples responses, learn to leave it out.
7 agrees? Honestly some of the posts that get praise leaves me feeling something is seriously amiss with this community.
Who are you Cleetus McCracker of the Aryan Brotherhood chapter? Or do you write for The Daily Mail?
We have EULA, we have guidelines of conduct in place that EVERYONE is to follow. We all agreed to it. Even if (and I highly doubt it would happen), someone where to open each gaming session with a greeting from a black liberal Muslim, well there is not rule against that. There are rules discriminating about it.
How hard is that to understand? You agree to the rules, and break them, you get consequences.1 -
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@DenverRalphyDenverRalphy wrote: »The flaw here, is your assumption that he went fishing for comments. Where exactly did you come up with that conclusion?
The only way someone could attack "his choices" is if they knew about his choices in the first place ...
;-)I ... do not have to put of with someone attacking my choices.
What is with all these assumptions?
Here are some things for you to consider.
The only time I saw anything akin to the matter discussed myself. Is when some one was off in Greenshade zone chat, and talking about immigrants in Britain. No one said anything to them about being an immigrant to the UK first. Interestingly enough, then people responded saying they had an immigrant significant other. But that person brought it up as an aside to something which had little relevance. I have seen people do it in RL too. I do not have a hard time believing people solicit their views to all sundry.
I have even seen in international communities, American players bad mouthing other countries in comparison to their own. NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT BEING FROM ANYWHERE ELSE. They just gassed off voluntarily.
So are they likely going to insult someone who is of certain descent/faith if they continue? Yes. Are people who report them all of that ethnic origin or faith? No.
And yes the OP spoke about not liking his beliefs insulted, but did he/she even say they were of any actual faith or belief. So, I had no idea what faith they did or did not have. And neither did any of you. Just rushed to score points and be right. And I suspect may be the case in some part, defend ones own intolerance. Some of the things I have seen here, match with exactly what extreme right wing propaganda says.2 -
Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭Tannakaobi wrote: »'Your faith is a personal choice and belief system that you embrace. If you choose to bring it up in chat, you don't get to complain when it's attacked'
Expecting everyone to care that you are black / yellow / green / pink / orange / whatever color you want to call yourself is a choice as well, and your choice to embrace the color of your skin as a part of who you are is as much a choice as a person who embraces their religion as a part of who they are. Furthermore, blaming religions for causing wars is just foolish.
The Crusades - were as much a land grab as anything religious, even if the 2 were connected (Jerusalem).
World War I - had nothing to do with religion, it was a land grab.
World War II - was a land grab with the added part of trying to kill everyone of a certain religion.
Mexican War - land grab
Civil War (US, though I believe most could be this as well) - idealogic war
Coup D'etat - normally I would say this was a power hungry guy wanting more power, though in some cases it may legitimately be done to save a country from itself
All those European wars - expansion
All those massive empires from way way back, you know, like Greece under Alexander and Rome - expansion
I could go on, but why bother.
I think expecting people to not discriminate based on color is slightly different to people being offended when religion is brought up.
Think what you like about it, but like it or not religion is often the reason or at least the excuse for many atrocities that happen in the world. It stands to reason that it is not a good idea to talk about such things in a video game, an online one at that with many people all with different views and opinions.
Take the war on terror, did that not start because of fanatical religious extremists? But then, could it not be said that actually it was just an invasion, about oil which is still going on today?
and that is exactly why these things should not be brought up, because it will ALWAYS stoop to these kind of comments. (neither are my opinion)
So blaming religions for causing wars maybe foolish, but millions do.
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@DenverRalphyDenverRalphy wrote: »The flaw here, is your assumption that he went fishing for comments. Where exactly did you come up with that conclusion?
The only way someone could attack "his choices" is if they knew about his choices in the first place ...
;-)I ... do not have to put of with someone attacking my choices.
What is with all these assumptions?
Here are some things for you to consider.
The only time I saw anything akin to the matter discussed myself. Is when some one was off in Greenshade zone chat, and talking about immigrants in Britain. No one said anything to them about being an immigrant to the UK first. Interestingly enough, then people responded saying they had an immigrant significant other. But that person brought it up as an aside to something which had little relevance. I have seen people do it in RL too. I do not have a hard time believing people solicit their views to all sundry.
I have even seen in international communities, American players bad mouthing other countries in comparison to their own. NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT BEING FROM ANYWHERE ELSE. They just gassed off voluntarily.
So are they likely going to insult someone who is of certain descent/faith if they continue? Yes. Are people who report them all of that ethnic origin or faith? No.
And yes the OP spoke about not liking his beliefs insulted, but did he/she even say they were of any actual faith or belief. So, I had no idea what faith they did or did not have. And neither did any of you. Just rushed to score points and be right. And I suspect may be the case in some part, defend ones own intolerance. Some of the things I have seen here, match with exactly what extreme right wing propaganda says.
For the record, I do think that people who just randomly vent hate speeches should be punished solely on the grounds that they're being disruptive for no reason. However, if people want to debate back and forth and keep it civil, I'm all for that. Discussion is always better than spewing hate from either side.
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Limitless✭✭✭If you've been on the internet for longer than a month you'd realize that you're going to find people who just do not care about what they say.
Do not bring your personal feelings into a game, leave them out.
It is true that it shouldn't be allowed, and I'm not saying to just let them do whatever they want but you do have options.
1. Report them, and make sure to add the screenshot
2. Ignore them. You won't ever have to deal with another one of their antics.
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Tend to have zone chat off unless I play at slow hours as it make guild chat hard to read.FrauPerchta wrote: »Unless I am in a group I pretty much ignore chat.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
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✭✭Tannakaobi wrote: »'Your faith is a personal choice and belief system that you embrace. If you choose to bring it up in chat, you don't get to complain when it's attacked'
Expecting everyone to care that you are black / yellow / green / pink / orange / whatever color you want to call yourself is a choice as well....
Yeah, i'm going to have to stop you there.
Arguing that being a racist is the same as making fun of religion is not going to fly.
Also, most wars are religious based. That's just a historical fact. Sorry.I could go on, but why bother.
Thank you.Edited by Blackwidow on June 11, 2014 11:22AM1 -
rayeab16_ESO✭✭✭the only stuff about religion i want to read in zone chat..is from in game gods, cults ect.
we had a lovely short chat last night about bosmer ritualistic canibalism. no ones belifes (far as i know) were hurt. as it was a fictional race, who fictionaly ate their own people. in a fictonal universe, populated with fictional characters.
what you belive, and who you belive in, is your own buisness.
its between your god (s) and yourself.
the only way realy world god(s) should come up in a GAME is if your guild only recrutes those with the same god(s)
we had one of those in warcraft. they only recruted christians, and went about Silvermoon city, trying to convert people. they got put on everyones ignore list. and they probably moved to another game.
if they had simply stuck to recruting only from their prefered group, and then got on with the fun part of playing a game, they might have lasted longer. and had fun.
that is what we are all here for. fun. in a game.
everything else is between your god(s) and yourself.
if they say something that breaks the rules....report them, cite what they did/said. include a screenshot if possable. and then ignore them.
now there are fewer botts, you should have space for those that dont belive what you do.1 -
Kaynlor✭✭✭I don't generally watch chat, but did observe one exchange where religious belief was involved.
Someone made a comment about a boss/dungeon they had just completed and made a "Jesus Christ blah blah blah " comparison. Other players started riffing on the "Jesus Christ blah blah blah" (which I found comical). Finally, and offended player asked why people were making fun of Jesus Christ, and that it wouldn't be acceptable to make fun of Mohammed. At that point, even more players jumped in to make fun of all deities and their prophets/leaders.
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