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Gap closer needs nerf now gap extender is nerfed
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hk11✭✭✭✭It's amazing how many people who are just gloating over this nerf. Nerfmongers are disgusting.0 -
xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As a NB, I can tell you that the animation time on teleport strike does not allow me to strike someone bolt escaping and then immediately doing it again. So far, my strike starts animation, they jump again, and animation fails. (Can't speak for other classes).
Other than that, I'd say no anyhow (IMO). The power is still a bit OP and allows sorcs to shoot across the field easily, now they just have to actually pay attention to magicka management instead of not caring about it at all.-- @xaraan --
nightblade: Xaraan • templar: Xaraan-dar • dragon-knight: Xaraanosaurus • necromancer: Xaraan-qa • warden: Xaraanodon • sorcerer: Xaraan-ra
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ForTheRealm✭✭✭piotreb17_ESO4 wrote: »And you definitely never used Path of Darkness (NB ability which also increases speed, but only when NB takes a specifc and not too long route).
Yes, ofc, I don't know anyone that can outrun a sprinting mount, because that would just be insane right? Seriously, you should go play with your NB more. I'll even help you out a little....
Step 1: Become a vampire
Step 2: Get a certain mundus stone (hint: it may or may not be a horse by another name)
Step 3: ......
I am always eager to learn from others;-), so I am more then open for a help.
I guess your last response is related to NB class only, so explain: how becoming a Vampire can help to counter BE? Could you be more precise (I hope you do not refer to Dark Stalker ability which enables normal speed walk instead of slowed one while stealthed).
Yeah, the Steed mundus can help moving faster, but not as fast as BE (try it for yourself)
I am interested in Step 3 - I guess that must be a hidden game breaker I never heard about.
Any smart counters which can be used by Temps or DKs?
Edited by ForTheRealm on June 10, 2014 8:39AM0 -
Venithar✭✭✭
I wasn't directly relating that to you, more relating it to anyone that complains that something is broken when they refuse to actually learn the counters for it. Your post just happened to show the lack of caring to learn.0 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭Nonono. My point was that being a vamp shouldnt be mandatory to counter anything.
This was my point.
Btw even without being a vamp you can be very fast with an NB, and still not fast enough to chase a bolt escaper.
This said, i wouldnt chase him anyway, its embarassing enough that he is fleeing.Edited by Gisgo on June 10, 2014 8:45AM1 -
Venithar✭✭✭I personally make it away 25% of the time I use BE for escape, but then I don't hold block down constantly. The easiest way to stop a BE is anything that stuns/knockdown. Perhaps ZoS should have just fixed block being able to block attacks from behind.0
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BSGDevastator✭✭✭Where's the problem? Now this game will finally be known as Elder Scrolls Online rather than Emo Sorcerers Ontherun.Edited by BSGDevastator on June 10, 2014 9:22AMV̜͚͂ͭͤ̈̌̽̏̈́̄͘͘͝ͅR̮͓͙̪̤᷊̭̯̉᷅̆̈́́̂̕1̴̖͓̹͔᷿͇̬̍̒̿ͤ̽̈́͠ ̧̙͉̪̤̙̫᷃͊̋̍̆̋ͧͭV̨̛̺̟̥ͫ̆᷅̄͊̑͌̃̓͟ą̵̩̠̒ͪ᷅̒ͫ͗̆ͨ᷈ͪ͠m̢̜̰͔᷂̱̀᷆ͤ͛̌͊᷇̈́̚p̡̺̼͕̣ͧͬͪͮ᷄̍̈̍̂͌į̠̦̖̰͚̒᷇̃̾ͪ͊ͧ̚͞r̟͈̣̭̂᷃̊̍̂͗̈̏᷾͗ͧe͢͏̗̱͚̥̜͙ͭ̃̒̋ͬ͢͞ ̴̺̼͇͂̿᷄̂̓ͤ͒̒̃͋͢N̝̯̹̩̰̼̑̿᷄᷉̃᷀̋ͩ͋ǐ̧̮̮̮͖̘̓͋̌᷅͆᷈̕ͅǵ͇̲͉̝̠̮͐̐̃ͯͫ᷾ͦ͟h̸͈̹̘̭̯̝̺͎͖̏ͬ̑̅̿t̪̠͎̲᷈͂ͯ̊ͭ᷇̀͗̅̕͠b̟᷊̻̹̝̑̌᷆᷁̂̃̈́ͩ͘͞l̠͙̻̪̣ͭ̿ͧͧ̈͛͛̒̓ͤa̡̛͈̠͇͚̮̬̔́̏̎̒͂̏ḓ̸͈̗͔̇̔̽͏̵̪̔ͪͨͥę͇͇̘̺̞̈᷈̒͐̂ͯ᷈ͩ͡2 -
Venithar✭✭✭BSGDevastator wrote: »Where's the problem? Now this game will finally be known as Elder Scrolls Online rather than Emo Sorcerers Ontherun.
Funny, I thought it was Dragon Knights Online.0 -
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✭✭the thing about gap CLOSERS is they can get you killed, pulled a guy onto a tower once using silver leash, got *** horribly.PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
Fight back at the crates and boxes, together we can change things.0 -
Venithar✭✭✭the thing about gap CLOSERS is they can get you killed, pulled a guy onto a tower once using silver leash, got *** horribly.
Speaking of...
Teleport strike allows you to go through keep doors.
Dragon Leap allows you to jump from a tower to the top of a keep.
Bolt Escape allows you to waste magicka and not escape.
Edited by Venithar on June 10, 2014 9:27AM1 -
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Stop playing TESO at youtube!Corn Flower, Wormwood, Water = Problem solved (I also throw in Lady's Smock to round out mine as a Magicka pot).
Potions have 30 sec cooldown!- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
✭So, when gap-closers will be... balanced?Edited by SilverWF on June 10, 2014 9:31AM- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭
And a 10 seconds duration.
So they potentially can be up 33% of the time, with three people spamming potions you can keep the effect up 100% of the time.
Also im almost sure the effect of detection potions is shared by your group. Not sure its a bug.
Edited by Gisgo on June 10, 2014 9:36AM0 -
SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
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WTF you just wrote?And a 10 seconds duration.
So they potentially can be up 33% of the time, with three people spamming potions you can keep the effect up 100% of the time.- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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Zubba✭✭✭Why dont we just nerf anyone Writing on this forum. Nerf me as well. Lets go play the game and hug eachorther Crying about being nerfed.Add PvP loot drops for some risk/reward in this game.
Captain Morgan Society
Zub
How'd ya feel like scraping the barncles off me rudder.. Matey..2 -
Seroczynski✭✭✭You have to be pretty quick to chain a BE sorceror if it's only one meter difference. Hell I don't even manage to spot and activate my ability before the sorcerer can walk that additional one meter.“To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.” ― Homer J. Simpson0 -
Witar✭✭✭✭✭Seems only fair to me that other gap closers get some nerfing love as well with the same penalties.It cannot be seen, cannot be felt,
Cannot be heard, cannot be smelt,
It lies behind stars and under hills,
And empty holes it fills,
It comes first and follows after,
Ends life, kills laughter.0 -
SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
✭And a 10 seconds duration.
So they potentially can be up 33% of the time, with three people spamming potions you can keep the effect up 100% of the time.
#facepalm- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
✭glitchmaster999 wrote: »It should be balance, right? Bolt escape has a travel distance of 15 meters.
DK's chain reaches 22 meters and cost the same as bolt escape, a sorc need two BE to get out of range fast, and two BE in a roll now cost (base)1000 magicka and 700 with ALL the cost reductions.
NB's teleport strike also reaches 22 meters, cost about the same as bolt escape, a sorc need two BE to get out the range, and two BE in a roll now cost (base) 1000 magicka and 700 with ALL the cost reductions.
Edit, as suggested:
Templar's Focused Charge and it's morphs also reaches 22 meters, cost even less than bolt escape, a sorc need two BE to get out the range, and two BE in a roll now cost (base) 1000 magicka and 700 with ALL the cost reductions.
Silver Leash (morph of Silver Bolt of Fighters Guild) reaches 28 meters!, doesn't even cost magicka, a sorc definitely need two BE to get out the range, and two BE in a roll now cost (base) 1000 magicka and 700 with ALL the cost reductions.
Either these need out right higher cost (to 1000 base magicka or stamina, just as two BE in a roll would cost a sorc), or their ranges need to be shortened to 10 meters.
Yes because that isn't the exact reason that they nerfed it in the first place -.- you shouldn't be able to just get out of anything with the push of a button.... gap closers should cost less because you can't gap close out of a fight, once you are in, you are in.... bolt escape is an escape so if you are using it as an escape you can get it off four times before you are oom, enough to get out of most things.
except it doesn't escape with one cast.0 -
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right, sorc is not ranged, and temp/NB/DK is not melee. Your statement gets more and more fascinating.So how does the Templar/NB/DK escape from those gap closers?
BE is still one of the most powerful abilities in the game and lets sorcerers do something that no other class can do- teleport with no target.
It is also an instant cast stun that again requires no target.
It just sounds like people have built themselves around the near invincible BE skill and haven't really had to think how to fight like every other class does.
Wait, are you saying melee classes don't know how to melee? and ranged class should stick around and melee? fascinating.
Where did I say "melee class" and why do you imply sorc is ranged?
You are just proving my point that you have not really thought deeply about how things work in this game because you have relied on a very OP skill to do all the lifting for you.
Wow, do you even play this game?
Either you are trolling or you just honestly don't know how to play ESO.
obviously I don't, you and your friend play this game inside and out, and are completely correct in saying NB/Temp/DK are not melee, and Socr are not ranged classes.
either you have trouble reading what you wrote yourself, or you have trouble writing what you tried to say.0 -
demonlkojipub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Meanwhile I've gotten over all the DK nerfs/balancing, and will likely get over the upcoming ones. Its not the end of the world.1 -
Syrrisdevlin✭✭
yes they do you must have a clear highlight of your target when you us charge or any thing of that nature I cant just click charge while facing your general direction and charge to you I must have you highlighted so if your a smaller avatar then yes it req a little bit more skill to highlight you and use...with BE you can use it when ever you want in any direction ive seen guys BE up to me and the right past me and keep going and begone befor I can even mount up im glad they nerfed it but I agree we need more buffing not nerfing
it still needs a general direction, you sure don't want to BE into an enemy's open arm.plamillusionub17_ESO wrote: »Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't gap closers require a target, and BE does not?
Perhaps they could revert the changes and make BE function similar to how storm atronach does (ground target reticle), giving it a skill element and not just a spammable "get out of jail free" card. /shrug
ground target would be another big nerf, no gap closer requires you precisely aim and click the enemy.
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