No its not impossible. It requires two certain skills. Purge/Barrier

you can purge and barrier through 3 -or more pots dumped on you ? I get hit for 1.8k most times so times three you must have lots health.

Slot purge. Hit it after the oil pot drops. You have negated the 600 AP the enemy spent.

Or just watch any half coordinated group of players who are on teamspeak storm a castle? We do it all the time, and we love catching scrubs off guard who just charge right in.

Sorry, but my guess is that you (or you+ a large group) broke a wall and charged head first and got your asses handed to you.

Well that is a whole other discussion.

As for that, that is exactly how they were meant to be used. Dropping oil randomly from the sky would...do what exactly? Waste 600 AP? No thanks.

You can easily bait the use of oil, pull people, long range them, set up your own siege, etc... to counter their placement (obviously depending on the situation).

Strategy is countered by a better strategy. If you want this pvp to be nothing but zergs and who has larger numbers (because without things like oil pots, any large group can easily over take a smaller group by simply charging in without a thought) then I don't know what to tell you because that would just be a very poorly designed PvP.

While we're at this discussion, there is also a limit to how many sieges you can have at a keep, and to how close they are and in most cases its a fair amount.

well you cant see them first off when they are hidden behind walls and stairs so there's that and also their meant to be used on flat ground at your feet?
with this thinking why bother have a range at all with siege let them go anywhere hit anything maybe we could have ballista placed in houses or doorways that would be cool or make ballistic ballista that can range another keep from your keep or maybe a laser from a flying monkey?
Could you post the Better strategy as you called it winning against the placing tons of one shot dps. a video would help rather then opinions show us this better strategy that can wipe them all and farm the as easy as they farm I am excited for you and everyone this will be great, post away.

Beedles wrote: »

...or make ballistic ballista that can range another keep from your keep or maybe a laser from a flying monkey?

Huh?

oil pot have a purpose in this game..if you run into them....thats your or your team leaders fault. YES they are powerful, and they should be, they are men't to be a defensive siege item.

i would say join an good guild or stop rushing into a tower when the wall falls. puggin'n it will get you dead in mass scale combat.

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO wrote: »

Standard sentence in ts "wait for the random noobs to rush in, then follow after the oil got poured"

and you sir are...... correct

Being able to stand in your own oil while killing the enemy is strange.

Its all well and good to talk about things like this being "necessary" for small groups to take on zergs, but it is just kind of silly when five or six players in a tower/bridge gate can take out an army with such cheesy tactics.

Small groups should be able to take on larger groups with skilful tactics, but I have seen some oil pot spam that while is fun in a childish way, is more akin to abusing a broken game mechanic than a display of skill.

Beedles wrote: »

Yasha wrote: »

Being able to stand in your own oil while killing the enemy is strange.

Its all well and good to talk about things like this being "necessary" for small groups to take on zergs, but it is just kind of silly when five or six players in a tower/bridge gate can take out an army with such cheesy tactics.

Small groups should be able to take on larger groups with skilful tactics, but I have seen some oil pot spam that while is fun in a childish way, is more akin to abusing a broken game mechanic than a display of skill.

someone gets it ! finally someone with common since thank you Sir.

I have seen this kind of thing since just after launch, but I am not sure if everyone understands the issue.

Also those abusing the cheese are likely more hard core players who don't want to see any changes because they can gloat about taking on half a server with just their small group; kind of like the logic that it was ok for a DK vampire to be able to take out whole zergs.

Yasha wrote: »

Being able to stand in your own oil while killing the enemy is strange.

Its all well and good to talk about things like this being "necessary" for small groups to take on zergs, but it is just kind of silly when five or six players in a tower/bridge gate can take out an army with such cheesy tactics.

Small groups should be able to take on larger groups with skilful tactics, but I have seen some oil pot spam that while is fun in a childish way, is more akin to abusing a broken game mechanic than a display of skill.

5 or 6 players can take a zerg in a tower when that zerg is a bunch of brainless people charging in a tower. Sorry but if a well organized group can put proper traps/sieges in place, plan their attack, while the other group yells "LEROY!!!!" and runs in, then the 'Leroy' group should get their asses handed to them.

For example we were holding upstairs against a large zerg (maybe around 20 of us vs maybe 70+ of them). A small group of them rushed in (I'm going to guess the 'randoms') and they died while the larger group waited (for us to use oils) then they charged up and decimated us.

Just a small example, but there are tons of ways around oil pots that are fair. We once had tons of oil pots at a postern door that they couldn't break, so what did they do? sieged at both ends. Took them a few mins to break the other door down but then we were, for lack of a better term, screwed.

There are so many examples, but it all comes down to: Who has the better plan/strategy/idea. This is war. You scout, you plan, you coordinate, and you strike. I'm strongly against the idea of nerfing anything 'counter zerg' because that will be boring and be a numbers game.

If you want to be able to charge into the enemy like a brainless grunt then I don't know what to tell you because that's boring.

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Wow you must really goooood at this game....please do go on about how pro you are.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Yasha wrote: »

Being able to stand in your own oil while killing the enemy is strange.

Its all well and good to talk about things like this being "necessary" for small groups to take on zergs, but it is just kind of silly when five or six players in a tower/bridge gate can take out an army with such cheesy tactics.

Small groups should be able to take on larger groups with skilful tactics, but I have seen some oil pot spam that while is fun in a childish way, is more akin to abusing a broken game mechanic than a display of skill.

5 or 6 players can take a zerg in a tower when that zerg is a bunch of brainless people charging in a tower. Sorry but if a well organized group can put proper traps/sieges in place, plan their attack, while the other group yells "LEROY!!!!" and runs in, then the 'Leroy' group should get their asses handed to them.

For example we were holding upstairs against a large zerg (maybe around 20 of us vs maybe 70+ of them). A small group of them rushed in (I'm going to guess the 'randoms') and they died while the larger group waited (for us to use oils) then they charged up and decimated us.

Just a small example, but there are tons of ways around oil pots that are fair. We once had tons of oil pots at a postern door that they couldn't break, so what did they do? sieged at both ends. Took them a few mins to break the other door down but then we were, for lack of a better term, screwed.

There are so many examples, but it all comes down to: Who has the better plan/strategy/idea. This is war. You scout, you plan, you coordinate, and you strike. I'm strongly against the idea of nerfing anything 'counter zerg' because that will be boring and be a numbers game.

If you want to be able to charge into the enemy like a brainless grunt then I don't know what to tell you because that's boring.

What you describe about 20 people taking on a larger group in a keep seems completely normal- that is not cheese.

However, there are structures in the game that you cannot siege from both ends- for example you can just sit in camp towers and bridge towers with oil pots out and stand in your own oil with oil also coming from above creating a constant sea of death that no one can enter without dying.

This would not be an issue if either there was friendly fire for oil or if oil had to be poured from a high point to a low point. Oil could still be used as a powerful defensive weapon but without the cheese element.

Yasha wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Yasha wrote: »

Being able to stand in your own oil while killing the enemy is strange.

Its all well and good to talk about things like this being "necessary" for small groups to take on zergs, but it is just kind of silly when five or six players in a tower/bridge gate can take out an army with such cheesy tactics.

Small groups should be able to take on larger groups with skilful tactics, but I have seen some oil pot spam that while is fun in a childish way, is more akin to abusing a broken game mechanic than a display of skill.

5 or 6 players can take a zerg in a tower when that zerg is a bunch of brainless people charging in a tower. Sorry but if a well organized group can put proper traps/sieges in place, plan their attack, while the other group yells "LEROY!!!!" and runs in, then the 'Leroy' group should get their asses handed to them.

For example we were holding upstairs against a large zerg (maybe around 20 of us vs maybe 70+ of them). A small group of them rushed in (I'm going to guess the 'randoms') and they died while the larger group waited (for us to use oils) then they charged up and decimated us.

Just a small example, but there are tons of ways around oil pots that are fair. We once had tons of oil pots at a postern door that they couldn't break, so what did they do? sieged at both ends. Took them a few mins to break the other door down but then we were, for lack of a better term, screwed.

There are so many examples, but it all comes down to: Who has the better plan/strategy/idea. This is war. You scout, you plan, you coordinate, and you strike. I'm strongly against the idea of nerfing anything 'counter zerg' because that will be boring and be a numbers game.

If you want to be able to charge into the enemy like a brainless grunt then I don't know what to tell you because that's boring.

What you describe about 20 people taking on a larger group in a keep seems completely normal- that is not cheese.

However, there are structures in the game that you cannot siege from both ends- for example you can just sit in camp towers and bridge towers with oil pots out and stand in your own oil with oil also coming from above creating a constant sea of death that no one can enter without dying.

This would not be an issue if either there was friendly fire for oil or if oil had to be poured from a high point to a low point. Oil could still be used as a powerful defensive weapon but without the cheese element.

Well your strategy has to change depending on the area. Off the top of my head for the bridges, you can actually flank people on bridges by stealthing and jumping on the pillars mid way to gank them from behind with a large/small group for example. All structures have more than one entry point, or a method of breaking in with proper teamwork. I don't really want to discuss all the ways because we like to keep our strategies private so that they cant be used against us . But we have yet to find something that we can't bypass with a better strategy.

Now, I'm not against change, if you can think of a way to keep oil pots great 'counter zerg' or think of another way to not have 'zerging' the only viable thing (because the more counter zerg items you take away the more viable it is), I'm all ears.