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how can BE escape if the range for BE < range of gap closer?
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You can't block Silver Leash pull.BE, block. BE, BE, BE.
Wow, that's hard. And that's exactly what Sorcs are doing right now. Where's the problem?- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
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No.
They have to target you to do that. And this doesn't happen often enough to be counted as a hinerance.
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lets try this, sorc is weak at melee range, and they sneak up on a sorc, so you suggestion is:
actually you really can't. two BE are needed to be out of gap closer's range, and that require you reserve a third to almost half of your magica pool, can you do that?ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »It's still spammable. Stop with the tears. Jeez.
Two BE's are needed to escape a melee player if you are standing on top of them. God knows why you were standing on top of the melee player in the first place if you're a ranged player. You have abilities as a sorc that can hit further than they can pull you. Unless of course the melee player pulled you by surprise, but then that would be your fault for not looking at your surroundings.
Well if they're stealthed then you won't see them until you're 14m from them and you're using mage light. But if they're visible then their gap closer is at the sorcs max dps range. Tab and 1 click and their on top of the sorc. I fail to see how that's confusing to anyone with the IQ of a gnat.
They were in stealth, they sneaked up on the sorc. The stealth guy has the advantage in this fight.
die if you got sneaked upon.
while DKs, NBs, Temps can manage exactly same situation with thick armour reliable self heal to survive.
Did I get this right?
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No.
They have to target you to do that. And this doesn't happen often enough to be counted as a hinerance.
blocking for 4 second and they can't find your approximate direction? LOL, how long does it take to move mice 2 inches?0 -
ferzalrwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭As a Shadow skill after using it you have +30% Stanina regen for 6 seconds!
And it not costs more than BE now - they have the same price
Do you know what that stamina regen does for my NB? Nothing. If you're not capped on stamina regen on a non-mage NB you're doing something wrong. Even if I was a NightMage that would maybe get me an extra second before I was OOM and OOS.
But keep grasping at straws. It's funny.
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I didn't say "nothing", I simply said "unfair", since it cost about the same with 150-200% of the range. Practically worth two BEs, in a roll.0 -
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Fail again.ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »As a Shadow skill after using it you have +30% Stanina regen for 6 seconds!
And it not costs more than BE now - they have the same price
Do you know what that stamina regen does for my NB? Nothing. If you're not capped on stamina regen on a non-mage NB you're doing something wrong. Even if I was a NightMage that would maybe get me an extra second before I was OOM and OOS.
But keep grasping at straws. It's funny.
Soft cap doesnt mean "You will not get any point over this line!"
And if you are mage, so your magicka skills costs at least 21% less!
But our BE costs 400+_ magicka already in full light and with rings!
Any new troll-ideas?
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- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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my alt (right now plaing a NB) is way more efficient with path of shadow/refreshing path..... (v3)
Shadow cloak saves me tons of time leveling by skip
i dont argue.... i just play NB from now on, sorc suxx (nb V3 is way easier than sorc V12 using syth tree - esp. skills 4+5)Edited by andreas.rudroffb16_ESO on June 10, 2014 12:22AM0 -
lol, I need 700 magicka to get out of range of your 400 magicka skill, and you believe thats fair?And my NB invis costs 400 mana, cant really reduce it because I need medium to be effective. Doubt i've ever gotten 15m away without re-using it, despite slotting concealed weapon. Isnt Instant travel, is upset by any damage/aoe. pretty much requires me to be at full mana and get lucky to escape anybody.
Welcome to the club.
yeah, using ambush on an escaping sorc isn't easy, try it.
I need 700 magicka to stun a single target, and deal 3/4 of the damage crystal shards deals, do you think that is fair?
You can not be a vamp? no? has this been changed?ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »
Wow, you are personally restricted from using Fighter Guild skills?Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Oh ffs, not everyone has a gap closer. Stop crying nerfs on everything sorcs.
Another killer feature: Path of Dakness. 15 meters long area of +50% speed for NB (sprint or sneak affected too). I'm running with this ability faster than horses!lol, I need 700 magicka to get out of range of your 400 magicka skill, and you believe thats fair?
Of course. PoD costs more then BE and has a very short range so you can spam that with sprint 4 times and be out of both magicka AND stamina. Very handy.
As a Shadow skill after using it you have +30% Stanina regen for 6 seconds!
And it not costs more than BE now - they have the same price
yeah because that 10 extra stamina every 2 seconds really offsets completely dumping my magicka and stamina. They dont have the same price, they have the same price on your SECOND cast.
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lol, I need 700 magicka to get out of range of your 400 magicka skill, and you believe thats fair?And my NB invis costs 400 mana, cant really reduce it because I need medium to be effective. Doubt i've ever gotten 15m away without re-using it, despite slotting concealed weapon. Isnt Instant travel, is upset by any damage/aoe. pretty much requires me to be at full mana and get lucky to escape anybody.
Welcome to the club.
yeah, using ambush on an escaping sorc isn't easy, try it.
I need 700 magicka to stun a single target, and deal 3/4 of the damage crystal shards deals, do you think that is fair?
You can not be a vamp? no? has this been changed?ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »
Wow, you are personally restricted from using Fighter Guild skills?Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Oh ffs, not everyone has a gap closer. Stop crying nerfs on everything sorcs.
Another killer feature: Path of Dakness. 15 meters long area of +50% speed for NB (sprint or sneak affected too). I'm running with this ability faster than horses!lol, I need 700 magicka to get out of range of your 400 magicka skill, and you believe thats fair?
Of course. PoD costs more then BE and has a very short range so you can spam that with sprint 4 times and be out of both magicka AND stamina. Very handy.
As a Shadow skill after using it you have +30% Stanina regen for 6 seconds!
And it not costs more than BE now - they have the same price
yeah because that 10 extra stamina every 2 seconds really offsets completely dumping my magicka and stamina. They dont have the same price, they have the same price on your SECOND cast.
It does offset a regen penalty for use which you seem to of forgotten about.0 -
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Silver Leash pull (like the knockdown) works only on Werewolves and Vamps. So no, not every one has a gap closer.
And all your long range spells, yeah they have 6 meters more range than any gap closer in the game, so if you play it right you can stay out of range.
The gap closer btw, works only versus 1 foe. If there's two of you and spread out, you can kite a melee fighter to death.
I think it's preposterous you guys are complaining. I reckon it should be double the distance and like WoW, 15 sec CD. You BE in the wrong direction and you're toast. None of this zig-zagging through the battlefield all the way to the nearest keep.EU | PC | AD0 -
lol, I need 700 magicka to get out of range of your 400 magicka skill, and you believe thats fair?And my NB invis costs 400 mana, cant really reduce it because I need medium to be effective. Doubt i've ever gotten 15m away without re-using it, despite slotting concealed weapon. Isnt Instant travel, is upset by any damage/aoe. pretty much requires me to be at full mana and get lucky to escape anybody.
Welcome to the club.
yeah, using ambush on an escaping sorc isn't easy, try it.
I need 700 magicka to stun a single target, and deal 3/4 of the damage crystal shards deals, do you think that is fair?
You can not be a vamp? no? has this been changed?ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »
Wow, you are personally restricted from using Fighter Guild skills?Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Oh ffs, not everyone has a gap closer. Stop crying nerfs on everything sorcs.
Another killer feature: Path of Dakness. 15 meters long area of +50% speed for NB (sprint or sneak affected too). I'm running with this ability faster than horses!lol, I need 700 magicka to get out of range of your 400 magicka skill, and you believe thats fair?
Of course. PoD costs more then BE and has a very short range so you can spam that with sprint 4 times and be out of both magicka AND stamina. Very handy.
As a Shadow skill after using it you have +30% Stanina regen for 6 seconds!
And it not costs more than BE now - they have the same price
yeah because that 10 extra stamina every 2 seconds really offsets completely dumping my magicka and stamina. They dont have the same price, they have the same price on your SECOND cast.
It does offset a regen penalty for use which you seem to of forgotten about.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL grasping.... A bug thats zos already knows about and is going to fix... is that all you've got?0 -
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No.
They have to target you to do that. And this doesn't happen often enough to be counted as a hinerance.
blocking for 4 second and they can't find your approximate direction? LOL, how long does it take to move mice 2 inches?
There isn't, nor has been any 4 second factor in casting BE, then blocking, and recasting it 2-4 more times.
As I run a Sorcerer as well I'd like to know where you are getting this misinformation from. Blocking is almost instant. Something like 0.2 milsecs.
Edited by Evandus on June 10, 2014 12:29AM0 -
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Are you ignored my post about TWO gap-closers in general weapon lines? And you didn't know about it?mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Silver Leash pull (like the knockdown) works only on Werewolves and Vamps. So no, not every one has a gap closer.
And all your long range spells, yeah they have 6 meters more range than any gap closer in the game, so if you play it right you can stay out of range.
The gap closer btw, works only versus 1 foe. If there's two of you and spread out, you can kite a melee fighter to death.
I think it's preposterous you guys are complaining. I reckon it should be double the distance and like WoW, 15 sec CD. You BE in the wrong direction and you're toast. None of this zig-zagging through the battlefield all the way to the nearest keep.
If you didn't know about game - why are in discussion?
6 meters in this game is nothing! This lags, bugs, ping issues - there is nearly no difference between 20 and 30 meters! ><
One "PRO" still recording (in his dreams) video about keeping 28m distance from melee at Sorc without BE. Maybe you wanna try it too?- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
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- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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I didn't say "nothing", I simply said "unfair", since it cost about the same with 150-200% of the range. Practically worth two BEs, in a roll.
Use that immovable then, like any other player, so you can't get pulled.
The tools are there, you're just too lazy to work a new strategy, or too busy shedding T_T here for a nerf that has been coming since pre-beta PTSEdited by Maulkin on June 10, 2014 12:32AMEU | PC | AD0 -
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✭And is someone stupid enough while trying to catch sorcerer, running out from allies or/and resourses - he must die. This is our strategy - catching a fools.- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
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- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
I didn't say "nothing", I simply said "unfair", since it cost about the same with 150-200% of the range. Practically worth two BEs, in a roll.
Use that immovable then, like any other player, so you can't get pulled.
The tools are there, you're just too lazy to work a new strategy, or too busy shedding T_T here for a nerf that has been coming since pre-beta PTS
Pull goes through immoveable(weird considering its name) but it doesn't go through block.
Edit: We're talking dk pull right?Edited by Birfreben_Kinghelred on June 10, 2014 12:38AM0 -
ferzalrwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Fail again.
Soft cap doesnt mean "You will not get any point over this line!"
Yes! You can get a few extra points over soft cap. Hugely diminished returns for any regen. Negligible. As I said. !. Oops... almost forgot another exclamation mark!And if you are mage, so your magicka skills costs at least 21% less!
But our BE costs 400+_ magicka already in full light and with rings!
Any new troll-ideas?
I know it might seem like it but not everyone is a mage. There are other skills and builds. We know that most sorcerers roll a skirt+staff and they have cost reductions, large regen and can spam things like BE infinitely which is why it was nerfed. Wait... weren't you arguing against the nerf?
Bolt me a river.
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LOL, really? not everyone has a gap closer, exactly what do you call DKs' chain, NBs' teleport strike, Temp's focused charge? gap non-closer?mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Silver Leash pull (like the knockdown) works only on Werewolves and Vamps. So no, not every one has a gap closer.
And all your long range spells, yeah they have 6 meters more range than any gap closer in the game, so if you play it right you can stay out of range.
The gap closer btw, works only versus 1 foe. If there's two of you and spread out, you can kite a melee fighter to death.
I think it's preposterous you guys are complaining. I reckon it should be double the distance and like WoW, 15 sec CD. You BE in the wrong direction and you're toast. None of this zig-zagging through the battlefield all the way to the nearest keep.
you really expect sorc to stay 22-28 m away from all foes in the fog of battle? really? why aren't any other class required to be so freaking precise?
so working on 1v1 is not enough for you? why by default your melee should be able to handle 2 sorc?
15sec CD, sure, make all gap closer 15 sec CD too, and reduce range to the same as BE, now thats fair.
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So I came back to see if they rolled out this sorcerer nerf . Yup they did , and I knew they would hahaha.
Now im glad I canceled my sub before they could hit my card again lol .
Really a crap company if there nerf introduces another bug that they have to fix.
OK see you losers later , im going back to Wildstar lol . At least they have Open World pvp, and housing .
OMFG can you imagine Zenimax trying to deal with housing in this game? You think NB is broken and nerf sorcerers , and quest bugs are bad, holy crap if they tried housing it would be a friggin nightmare hahaha.
You kiddies have fun , and don't bother coming to Wildstar. We don't cater to whiney little forum babies and my stalker would rip you a new one rofl . CYA0 -
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✭✭And my NB invis costs 400 mana, cant really reduce it because I need medium to be effective. Doubt i've ever gotten 15m away without re-using it, despite slotting concealed weapon. Isnt Instant travel, is upset by any damage/aoe. pretty much requires me to be at full mana and get lucky to escape anybody.
Welcome to the club.
Which club? The one where NB are the most OP class in PVP? No, Sorc is not a part of that club.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points0 -
whsprwind✭✭✭BE and any of the gap closers in the game will never placed with the same cost same distance and whatever, simply due to the fact that BE does not need a target.
If you think about how much utility that provides, i would say it's still a pretty good skill (still in the must-have category).
It's true that other classes can gap close on sorcs easily, but do not forget that sorcs are also entitled to use these skills. Nothing stops them from using these stam gap closers to engage, but they have the special getaway card that the other 3 classes do not.
If you say "but i'm a staff user i don't have that kinda sh**", well the other 3 classes who decide to wield staves have it way worse.
If a sorc and i commit to a fight and we're both down to 50%, he should only be able to BE once, leaving me enough chance to kill him either with a gap closer if i still have resources for it or bow him down (the stun already makes it hard enough). That is finally possible.NA(PC) - EP
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Emohsnevar✭✭I'm finding these threads funny. Mostly these complaints are coming from the BE streak users. I have the ball lighting morph. The BE fix isn't bothering me at all. Earlier this evening I was moving along this road stealth'd. I walked right into the middle of 6 DC stealth'd. They attacked me and I still managed to BE away out of their range. Yeah, I was out of magicka but I was well out of their range to come after me and find me.0
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jonal11_ESO✭✭✭Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Oh ffs, not everyone has a gap closer. Stop crying nerfs on everything sorcs.
ahahahahaha you get a class nerfed then cry when it's your turn. Put this gag in your mouth and BEND OVER!
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