how can BE escape if the range for BE < range of gap closer?

canghai

i am for fair play so i believed a nerf for BE was needed however increasing the cost of BE this much is over nerfing

with the current magika costs being so high i think it is fair to increase the range of BE, that will then put it on par with the range of all gap closers, which is almost 2x as much range as BE

Asava

Totally agree. Range needs to be extended to 28-30m and the majicka regen penalty needs to be removed.

canghai

well to be fair if range is increased the cost and magika regen removal is now just, however currently the magika cost and lack of regen is just not right

Birfreben_Kinghelred

28-30m? are you some kind of newb? its 400 whole mana! it should be a global teleport you activate through your map, anywhere in cyrodiil! this is what 400 mana should give us! this is what we deserves as the players! this just proves that zenimax doesnt care about us players! they are only taking our money!

ferzalrwb17_ESO

It's still spammable. Stop with the tears. Jeez.

Asava

Ya, I'm a noob from early access that has played MMO's since 98. 400 majicka is quit a bit considering that my hardest hitting st dps spell costs 300 majicka a pop and a support skill costs 700 majicka a pop. Those neither of those have a regen penalty nor a usage penalty in the same skill.

canghai

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

It's still spammable. Stop with the tears. Jeez.

yes it is if we have full mana, and since sorc's other spells DONT require mana we r ALWAYS at 100% mana

crislevin

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

It's still spammable. Stop with the tears. Jeez.

actually you really can't. two BE are needed to be out of gap closer's range, and that require you reserve a third to almost half of your magica pool, can you do that?

crislevin

Its now called "Bolt to nowhere", morph will be called "naked" and "really naked", names will be updated in patch 1.1.4.2

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO

just dont use BE (as we do)

get a descent group = no need for BE

use ur skills wisely (a sorc is not the DD) ... all our sorcs are just CC and heal

DDs are Dk and NB (and Templars save our asses, god bless them)

Nox_Aeterna

Welcome to a MMO without CDs.

You need to take into account what happens both the person got full magicka and when it has only half.

BE with all magicka was strong like hell , thus it needed a nerf , which in turn , made harder to use when you dont have so much.

Another option would have been to give all other class a similar skill , which they would then use to run after the sorc , would then turn to a more magicka/built thing, which the sorcs would still probably win due to their passives , but could be balanced around it.

And no , gap closer requires a target , which is the reason this whole mess began , if BE did the same , it would not have been such a problem.

SilverWF

canghai wrote: »

i am for fair play so i believed a nerf for BE was needed however increasing the cost of BE this much is over nerfing

with the current magika costs being so high i think it is fair to increase the range of BE, that will then put it on par with the range of all gap closers, which is almost 2x as much range as BE

Agree! BE must teleport us for 30 meters now!

Birfreben_Kinghelred

And my NB invis costs 400 mana, cant really reduce it because I need medium to be effective. Doubt i've ever gotten 15m away without re-using it, despite slotting concealed weapon. Isnt Instant travel, is upset by any damage/aoe. pretty much requires me to be at full mana and get lucky to escape anybody.

Welcome to the club.

Valn

Asava wrote: »

Ya, I'm a noob from early access that has played MMO's since 98. 400 majicka is quit a bit considering that my hardest hitting st dps spell costs 300 majicka a pop and a support skill costs 700 majicka a pop. Those neither of those have a regen penalty nor a usage penalty in the same skill.

maybe you should keep out of melee range then you won't have to use your bolt escape ability.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

crislevin wrote: »

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

It's still spammable. Stop with the tears. Jeez.

actually you really can't. two BE are needed to be out of gap closer's range, and that require you reserve a third to almost half of your magica pool, can you do that?

Actually you really, really can. I played PVP last night and Bolt-Spam was everywhere. I posted earlier about chasing a sorcerer for a minute and half. It took me that long running, out of stamina (he was still bolt-spamming) before I could get out of combat, mount my horse and slowly run him down.

So... a minute and a half. Not spammable? You guys are pulling our legs now. We're onto you.

SilverWF

bothnutz wrote: »

And my NB invis costs 400 mana, cant really reduce it because I need medium to be effective. Doubt i've ever gotten 15m away without re-using it, despite slotting concealed weapon. Isnt Instant travel, is upset by any damage/aoe. pretty much requires me to be at full mana and get lucky to escape anybody.

Welcome to the club.

Be a vampire and get your fast sneaking nearly for free!

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Oh ffs, not everyone has a gap closer. Stop crying nerfs on everything sorcs.

crislevin

bothnutz wrote: »

And my NB invis costs 400 mana, cant really reduce it because I need medium to be effective. Doubt i've ever gotten 15m away without re-using it, despite slotting concealed weapon. Isnt Instant travel, is upset by any damage/aoe. pretty much requires me to be at full mana and get lucky to escape anybody.

Welcome to the club.

lol, I need 700 magicka to get out of range of your 400 magicka skill, and you believe thats fair?

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO

the only players spamming BE are just PvE victims without a group (die in 1CC an 2 Hits)

they dont harm you
the do no dmg (due to no magica)
... just a distraction

Sorcs only do good PvE DMG in PvP they are Support

(or are you afraid of 400-600 3 sek channel Shards/dogeable/ST and 150-250 Pulsars/AE) ... every DK/NB does 3 times that

ferzalrwb17_ESO

bothnutz wrote: »

And my NB invis costs 400 mana, cant really reduce it because I need medium to be effective. Doubt i've ever gotten 15m away without re-using it, despite slotting concealed weapon. Isnt Instant travel, is upset by any damage/aoe. pretty much requires me to be at full mana and get lucky to escape anybody.

Welcome to the club.

You forgot to mention that being cloaked halts magicka regen as well. Just like BE (only Cloak is so bugged it often takes that mana and just doesn't work).

Valn

crislevin wrote: »

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

It's still spammable. Stop with the tears. Jeez.

actually you really can't. two BE are needed to be out of gap closer's range, and that require you reserve a third to almost half of your magica pool, can you do that?

Two BE's are needed to escape a melee player if you are standing on top of them. God knows why you were standing on top of the melee player in the first place if you're a ranged player. You have abilities as a sorc that can hit further than they can pull you. Unless of course the melee player pulled you by surprise, but then that would be your fault for not looking at your surroundings.

Liquid_Time

Soo.. Gap closers are the new defense for this change it appears? I think they should fix the cost that most people are calling out first.. before comparing epeen skills. Seriously.. wait until what has been believed to be a possible bug with the cost to get resolved first.

SilverWF

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Oh ffs, not everyone has a gap closer. Stop crying nerfs on everything sorcs.

Wow, you are personally restricted from using Fighter Guild skills?

crislevin wrote: »

lol, I need 700 magicka to get out of range of your 400 magicka skill, and you believe thats fair?

Another killer feature: Path of Dakness. 15 meters long area of +50% speed for NB (sprint or sneak affected too). I'm running with this ability faster than horses!

Asava

Valn wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

It's still spammable. Stop with the tears. Jeez.

actually you really can't. two BE are needed to be out of gap closer's range, and that require you reserve a third to almost half of your magica pool, can you do that?

Two BE's are needed to escape a melee player if you are standing on top of them. God knows why you were standing on top of the melee player in the first place if you're a ranged player. You have abilities as a sorc that can hit further than they can pull you. Unless of course the melee player pulled you by surprise, but then that would be your fault for not looking at your surroundings.

Well if they're stealthed then you won't see them until you're 14m from them and you're using mage light. But if they're visible then their gap closer is at the sorcs max dps range. Tab and 1 click and their on top of the sorc. I fail to see how that's confusing to anyone with the IQ of a gnat.

crislevin

Valn wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

It's still spammable. Stop with the tears. Jeez.

actually you really can't. two BE are needed to be out of gap closer's range, and that require you reserve a third to almost half of your magica pool, can you do that?

Two BE's are needed to escape a melee player if you are standing on top of them. God knows why you were standing on top of the melee player in the first place if you're a ranged player. You have abilities as a sorc that can hit further than they can pull you. Unless of course the melee player pulled you by surprise, but then that would be your fault for not looking at your surroundings.

LOL, as a rounded player in pvp, are you sitting here telling me players can be so freaking clear of surroundings in the fog of 20 people battle that chain pull is useless? I know I can't, I bet 99% people can't neither.

Valn

Asava wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

It's still spammable. Stop with the tears. Jeez.

actually you really can't. two BE are needed to be out of gap closer's range, and that require you reserve a third to almost half of your magica pool, can you do that?

Two BE's are needed to escape a melee player if you are standing on top of them. God knows why you were standing on top of the melee player in the first place if you're a ranged player. You have abilities as a sorc that can hit further than they can pull you. Unless of course the melee player pulled you by surprise, but then that would be your fault for not looking at your surroundings.

Well if they're stealthed then you won't see them until you're 14m from them and you're using mage light. But if they're visible then their gap closer is at the sorcs max dps range. Tab and 1 click and their on top of the sorc. I fail to see how that's confusing to anyone with the IQ of a gnat.

They were in stealth, they sneaked up on the sorc. The stealth guy has the advantage in this fight.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

SilverWF wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Oh ffs, not everyone has a gap closer. Stop crying nerfs on everything sorcs.

Wow, you are personally restricted from using Fighter Guild skills?

crislevin wrote: »

lol, I need 700 magicka to get out of range of your 400 magicka skill, and you believe thats fair?

Another killer feature: Path of Dakness. 15 meters long area of +50% speed for NB (sprint or sneak affected too). I'm running with this ability faster than horses!

Of course. PoD costs more then BE and has a very short range so you can spam that with sprint 4 times and be out of both magicka AND stamina. Very handy.

canghai

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

It's still spammable. Stop with the tears. Jeez.

actually you really can't. two BE are needed to be out of gap closer's range, and that require you reserve a third to almost half of your magica pool, can you do that?

Actually you really, really can. I played PVP last night and Bolt-Spam was everywhere. I posted earlier about chasing a sorcerer for a minute and half. It took me that long running, out of stamina (he was still bolt-spamming) before I could get out of combat, mount my horse and slowly run him down.

So... a minute and a half. Not spammable? You guys are pulling our legs now. We're onto you.

90 secs?? shut the front door
lets say he casted it once every 5 secs, **which is a very low estimate and not even considering spamming**, thats 18 casts in min and a half

with the cost being 200(before nerf) and NO mana regen thats 18x200, that is 3600 magika, no one has that much even with a mana pot

now with nerf it is 400 cost, so 18x400 is 7200 magika

so ur story doesnt add up

Evandus

BE, block. BE, BE, BE.

Wow, that's hard. And that's exactly what Sorcs are doing right now. Where's the problem?

SilverWF

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Oh ffs, not everyone has a gap closer. Stop crying nerfs on everything sorcs.

Wow, you are personally restricted from using Fighter Guild skills?

crislevin wrote: »

lol, I need 700 magicka to get out of range of your 400 magicka skill, and you believe thats fair?

Another killer feature: Path of Dakness. 15 meters long area of +50% speed for NB (sprint or sneak affected too). I'm running with this ability faster than horses!

Of course. PoD costs more then BE and has a very short range so you can spam that with sprint 4 times and be out of both magicka AND stamina. Very handy.

As a Shadow skill after using it you have +30% Stanina regen for 6 seconds!
And it not costs more than BE now - they have the same price

crislevin

Evandus wrote: »

BE, block. BE, BE, BE.

Wow, that's hard. And that's exactly what Sorcs are doing right now. Where's the problem?

problem is when you block, you got pull back and the distance becomes zero, all the magicka spent for naught.