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If ESO is doing bad.... could this be why?
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steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭
This feature - that after 50 a player would be involved in questing lines which put them squarely into two of the other factions territory - it was so clearly promo'd, publicized and stated as a fact of the Veteran + content, it is literally not possible a person could not have been informed about this feature before purchasing or subbing.
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If people have a problem parsing the difference between 'questing in other faction areas' (yay) and 'just doing their quests whether you want to or not and whether it makes sense or not' (boo) then there's little that can be said.
Besides in no way did they say there would be a huge difficulty change compounded by later bugs becoming features that combined changes the very nature of the game. Or that Stick and Dress becomes practically compulsory.Edited by steveb16_ESO46 on June 7, 2014 2:07PM2 -
morashtakb16_ESO✭✭✭As other have suggested it would have been much more enjoyable to have been part of the invaders and had quests to destroy the enemy factions towns, kill their leaders, etc.
A PvP server would have allowed for even more options as then you could have been ganked by enemy players while invading their zones.
Cyrodill, Cyrodill everywhere (at VR levels and only on PvP servers).1 -
AngryWolf✭✭✭You know as much as I give negative feedback at times on areas that bug me. Like the god forsaken green armor I can't seem to get away from, the game is still relatively new and I think giving an overall state of the game a fail isn't fair. I'm up to level 30+ with three toons and, have had issues yes, but for the most part, log in every day because I enjoy it. Plus I gotta feed my damn horses
I think the only overall feedback I would agree with that I've seen is that at times the approach to updates and fixes seems 'scattered'. For instance, it's thought I'm stuck with green armor becuase they are readying for armor dyes. If don't know if that's true, but if it is, why implement it halfway and leave players ticked off with crafting when the dyes are coming 2 months down the road.
I've never worked in game development, but I think a logical approach in fixes before new content may be in order, but if they have different teams working on both areas at once, then you couldn't organize better as long they are working together.0 -
stungateb14_ESO✭✭✭The problem is the scaling in leveling if ZOS didn't want to open up the entire map and its zones they should not of had them on Tamiel proper. Also the whole philosophy of "play the way you want" and the game design of end game being a pvp game are diametrically opposed to each other and is the root of the balance juggling act debacle they currently find themselves in in fact its the same problem DAOC:TOA had that crippled that game and its funny Matt Firor was /is behind both of these problems.1 -
DireKit✭✭✭Cite where and why you believe the game is 'doing bad?'
What numbers are you basing this off of? Because as far as We know, Zenimax hasn't released any numbers for subscriptions or anything.. sooo.. the only thing this could really be is useless baseless speculation drawn from biased personal opinions and an apparent bitterness you feel the need to spread around the Community.
Also..
EXPLODING POTATOES.
Why?
Because EXPLODING POTATOES.1 -
sparks60188b14_ESOSoul ShrivenIt's a time sink, nothing more. What is really starting to worry me are the massive guilds I joined on launch to trade/sell loot etc. I made it a point to join active trade guilds (least it was on launch) which were in essence hundreds of players logged on during prime time for each of the guilds and now I find myself logging into 10 of 498, 8 of 450, 15 of 500, etc. players logged on. Regardless of what the fanboys think, this is a bad sign so early in release that a mass exodus occurred so quickly.3
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Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭waylander48 wrote: »Tannakaobi wrote: »Tannakaobi wrote: »waylander48 wrote: »the road ahead post theres a little bit in there that says they are going to do something to prepare people for the difficulty of VR levels.
Everyone gets a free staff, light armor and free skill change! Your good to go!
@waylander48 Out of interest, do you take your name from David Gemmell?
yeah mate love gemmell books only author that can make be shed a tear when a big ugly lout with a heart as big as a mountain dies.
Sweet, I'm a big fan myself. Waylander probably being my favorite trilogy. My own name is taken from Tenaka Khan.Edited by Tannakaobi on June 7, 2014 3:07PM1 -
Lynnessa✭✭✭✭Launch endgame should have stopped at vr1, then a month later released a content expansion to vr5, then a month or so later another content to vr10, then crag to vr12 instead of this HUGE grind fest to vr12 in a month of launch... BORING...
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Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭I would have been quite happy for them to have just simply not had the VR levels and opened up the other factions without the need to do them, that would give people the choice. Craglorn could have then been VR1-2, this would also work better for PVP as the VR levels wouldn't have such an advantage against low level PVP players. That way EVERYone would be happy.
The reason I don't like the VR zones is because, firstly the story is not great for the lore, but I could live with that if it was enjoyable content. I don't agree that the story suddenly becomes poor in those zones, but it's the time it takes to do the quests.
By the time I have played a map through, meticulously plotting a route and picking each fight very carefully I have forgot much of the story I have already completed. This is why it feels like a grind. The hard combat is welcomed, most mmo's have no such thing but not for 2/3 of the game. Which is actually more like 90% because it takes longer.
Why not just have a separate VR zone to run along side Craglorn for solo play. That way you could choose between the two and even mix it up a little.
And just because I think the way they have implemented VR levels in PVE is lazy does not mean I dislike the game, I love the game. I am happy enough to level in PVP. (Now they have improved PVP xp) It doesn't stop me saying how I think it could be better and at least my idea's are for myself and other people.
Just saying that VR zones are fine because you want to play all content is selfish as there is clearly a problem. There are so many complaints about it, not just a couple.
Edited by Tannakaobi on June 7, 2014 3:44PM2 -
Kaelis33✭✭What makes this game suck is their is no way to group and progress your character. Zenimax has thwarted every attempt at people just getting together and using team work to accomplish objectives.
It gets flat out boring without any interaction with other people besides a open chat window. Seriously. Whats the point of an MMO if you aren't going to play with other people.
Might as well just have modded Skyrim with a in game chat.2 -
Shiroro✭✭✭I think they should've had VR levels be gained only from non-spammable dungeon/raid content and saved the alt faction zones for some sort of alternative skill/character branching that went from levels 1-100. It would've slowed down the marathoners without hurting normal players.0
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RianaTheBosmer✭✭✭The idea of the vet content was a very, very bad move. Once people are done, they're not going to roll alts. Why bother? Game will be over for them and they will unsub.0
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methjester✭✭✭Launch endgame should have stopped at vr1, then a month later released a content expansion to vr5, then a month or so later another content to vr10, then crag to vr12 instead of this HUGE grind fest to vr12 in a month of launch... BORING...
Or, people could pace themselves. <shrug>
You play at your pace, I'll play at mine. I'm sorry you can't level faster. I've had nothing to do at max for a month now except follow a zerg and now... timed dungeons!!! Huzzah!!
I'm sure if and when you hit max in a few months, you'll have nothing to do as well.1 -
DireKit✭✭✭Some people enjoy the game, some don't; Some will remain subscribed, some won't.
Does it matter?
No one can really say if the game is or isn't doing well except for Zenimax. All the rest of this is just useless and baseless speculation.1 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
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Sure it does. If too many folks fall into the latter category, then the MMO won't be able to sustain itself.Some people enjoy the game, some don't; Some will remain subscribed, some won't.
Does it matter?
None (or very few) of us want to see that.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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DireKit✭✭✭
Judging by the level of DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMM in the forums, We kinda think a lot of people are being subversive for the sake of being subversive and negative.
But you don't actually know whether too many folks fall into the latter category, do you? None of us do. So why are you worrying about it? From what We've heard from Zenimax personally, the game's doing pretty good. We even talked to their Customer Support personally and they said there was no signs of the game going F2P and they were happy with its current performance.
They even recognized the fact that there were problems with the game and they were working towards fixing them.
*shrug* Just seems like people are stressing over things out of their control when they really shouldn't be. At least from our point of view.
But that's what people do, We guess.
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GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
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This is what we see. One one side we have this:
Judging by the level of DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMM in the forums, We kinda think a lot of people are being subversive for the sake of being subversive and negative.Faboy X wrote:"ESO is perfect as is, and you DOOOOOOOOOOM-sayers need to get a life or move on!"
And on the other side, we have this:ESO_Sucks! wrote:"The game is dead, and so I'm here to post that it sucks and I'm moving to [fill in popular new MMO of choice here]!"
... and then there are folks like me, who like ESO, but we see issues that badly need to be fixed. We see them as possibly game-breaking, but we're holding on in hope the issues get addressed soon.Edited by GreySix on June 7, 2014 5:25PMCrotchety Old Man Guild
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DireKit✭✭✭... and then there are folks like me, who like ESO, but we see issues that badly need to be fixed. We see them as possibly game-breaking, but we're holding on in hope the issues get addressed soon.
If you enjoy the game, play it. Don't worry about what others are thinking/doing, just do your own thing. Edited by DireKit on June 7, 2014 5:26PM0 -
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I do play it, but right now there are instances in which my wife and I are barred from grouping.If you enjoy the game, play it. Don't worry about what others are thinking/doing, just do your own thing.
This is simply preposterous. It's the main reason we bought two copies of the game and two subscriptions to this MMO, and so I come here to post (and yes, I've reported it in-game ad nausium) that critical shortcoming.
We want to see it fixed. Understand: Most causal cooperative players who quit won't bother posting why here. They'll just walk. I'd rather not see the game die.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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DireKit✭✭✭
I do play it, but right now there are instances in which my wife and I are barred from grouping.If you enjoy the game, play it. Don't worry about what others are thinking/doing, just do your own thing.
This is simply preposterous. It's the main reason we bought two copies of the game and two subscriptions to this MMO, and so I come here to post (and yes, I've reported it in-game ad nausium) that critical shortcoming.
We want to see it fixed. Understand: Most causal cooperative players who quit won't bother posting why here. They'll just walk. I'd rather not see the game die.
Your choice. *shrug.*
You'll do what you want.
We like the game, We're enjoying it.
And the forums are a smorgasbord of hilarity and entertainment. ;D1 -
methjester✭✭✭
I do play it, but right now there are instances in which my wife and I are barred from grouping.If you enjoy the game, play it. Don't worry about what others are thinking/doing, just do your own thing.
This is simply preposterous. It's the main reason we bought two copies of the game and two subscriptions to this MMO, and so I come here to post (and yes, I've reported it in-game ad nausium) that critical shortcoming.
We want to see it fixed. Understand: Most causal cooperative players who quit won't bother posting why here. They'll just walk. I'd rather not see the game die.
Your choice. *shrug.*
You'll do what you want.
We like the game, We're enjoying it.
And the forums are a smorgasbord of hilarity and entertainment. ;D
Most forums are usually fun disputes between classes wanting nerfs, people wanting this and that... The ESO forums are full of people who are desperate for game fixes. I don't think that's a good sign for a two month old MMO.
Have fun grouping, be glad you can.2 -
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✭The vet quest grind in other factions is the worst thing about ESO imo and soul destroying.At least the spelling is difficult for you.
Hew's Bane*1 -
Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭methjester wrote: »
I do play it, but right now there are instances in which my wife and I are barred from grouping.If you enjoy the game, play it. Don't worry about what others are thinking/doing, just do your own thing.
This is simply preposterous. It's the main reason we bought two copies of the game and two subscriptions to this MMO, and so I come here to post (and yes, I've reported it in-game ad nausium) that critical shortcoming.
We want to see it fixed. Understand: Most causal cooperative players who quit won't bother posting why here. They'll just walk. I'd rather not see the game die.
Your choice. *shrug.*
You'll do what you want.
We like the game, We're enjoying it.
And the forums are a smorgasbord of hilarity and entertainment. ;D
Most forums are usually fun disputes between classes wanting nerfs, people wanting this and that... The ESO forums are full of people who are desperate for game fixes. I don't think that's a good sign for a two month old MMO.
Have fun grouping, be glad you can.
I would say as far as negativity goes it is average for an mmo forum. Maybe expectations are a little higher, but then TES have always delivered that little extra.
As the game improves, which it will, so too will the mood on the forum. It's the same with all mmo's.
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✭I think VR 1-10 should be completed in your own alliance, then if you wish to explore the others, you can only for gear, gold and just to see what it's like.2 -
stungateb14_ESO✭✭✭I wanted ESO to be as it was advertised a RvR(tm) pvp game where you fight to crown an emporer/ess of the Ruby Throne with a sandbox type pve side quest system that supported your alliance not a menagerie pve crap game that has absolutely nothing to do with the main story objective..The Ruby Throne.2
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sparks60188b14_ESOSoul Shriven
No one can really say if the game is or isn't doing well except for Zenimax. All the rest of this is just useless and baseless speculation.
I don't go by gloom and doom forum posts, going strictly by the mass disappearance of active trade guilds I joined. I mean, having 11 of 498 players online during primetime is a rude awakening, lol. Especially when those same guilds literally had 100+ players online first month of release.
Go ahead and let me know how active your chosen guilds are and I'll send a tell in game for an invite (have characters in all 3 factions)
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It may seem to some these forums are full of doom and gloom - however the way I see it is most of the negative posts have offered constructive criticism of a game most of us want to play and enjoy.
Those who take the time and make the effort to post about what they feel has gone wrong or perhaps make suggestions to enhance/improve the game are not doomsayers - they are, in my opinion, loyal ESO players who don't want to see this game fail.
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stungateb14_ESO✭✭✭Last time I logged on to let someone play my vr5 DK S/B tank in which he had a totally new WTF LOL (fight 3 vr3 mobs in Rivenspire) change of attitude about DK's and finally came around to realizing ESO stands for Elder Staff's Online and that I refuse to "play the way ZOS forces you too " all 3 guilds had a total of 22/ 800+ online on a saturday afternoon CST.0
