The Road ahead is looking good do you guys agree or not

Kililin · June 2014

Woolenthreads wrote: »

Kililin wrote: »

Only one question springs to my mind, is it better than a dedicated single player rpg (or something like dark souls with few multiplayer elements), or at least as good?

As good as the top tier single-player RPG's for some of us I think.I know some friends who would disagree because they hate moving across expanses of land or having tonnes of directions to move in (seriously) while they love RPG formats.

Thank you all for your answers, the quote i used is representative for the direction of the answers, maybe the game was just marketed in a false way.
It looks like you are perfectly happy with everything, but mmo people not so much, at least not the majority of them.

It is not my intention to divide or segregate players, after all we are all spending our time with games and i think not less of shooter players, or people enjoying point and click adventures, they just like different games than i do.

Maybe they should just have made a multiplayer skyrim, and not market something as a mmorpg, it is lacking in that area even if it is a uncut diamond at its core.
I really like this game for what it could have been, but obviously it was built with another target audience in mind.

I hope it will last for you to enjoy, a large part of the mmo crowd will soon be gone or is already.

Adventchaos · June 2014

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Shiroro · June 2014

With retail copies being cleared from the shelves of most major retailers it's going to be a tough climb back into relevance for the game. If the July changes don't improve things they're going to have to revamp and rebrand the game for rerelease like FFXIV did. They'll probably switch to F2P after they've recouped their investment, if they make it there.

Bler · June 2014

@Shiroro y u troll so much?

Shiroro · June 2014

@Bler The proper feedback is not making its way up the ladder. Whether that's due to a poor management structure at Zenimax or people being overly positive about the game I don't know. Somebody needs to pass the word along that things are not ok.

They need to know that this game can't survive as VR is currently set up. They can't "bide their time" and fix other things for a while first because nobody is going to come back. I want this game to succeed just as much as you do.

I seriously hope the July update improves things. If they get it wrong the game is done. Management at Zeni needs to know that.

Hiply · June 2014

I play a DW leather NB and a Templar healer...

No, the road ahead is looking more like a road out of town to me. The only light at the end of this tunnel...based on any verifiable word from Zen for these two classes...is the headlight of an oncoming train.

poodlemasterb16_ESO · June 2014

dracobains_ESO wrote: »

I am sure I am like a considerable portion of this community and played at least one TES title. I have played them all personally and enjoyed them immensely. This is however an MMO. It is a Massive... Multiplayer... Online.. game. Everyone here is by default an MMO crowd including yourself if you are participating in this game. The concept comes from the TES games but this is not a TES game; it is another MMO concept with a unique TES flavor. Re-read previous definition if you must. If this is your first MMO then technically you would be a "newbie".

Nope it's an Elder Scrolls game built as an MMO. Although it is an MMO it's certainly not like the ones that kept me from even looking at the genre. I despise the cartoony 3rd person run around like dolls, kind of games, despise them.

WOW seemed like a joke to me. You would actually do that?

Anyway there are games all over, new MMOs, like Wildstar, for you guys. This is for me. Really new combat, which I love, people everywhere, which I like, and mostly TES everywhere.

I will play with this toy for a long time.

dracobains_ESO · June 2014

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Nope it's an Elder Scrolls game built as an MMO. Although it is an MMO it's certainly not like the ones...

You make about as many presumptions as the dandelions in my neighbors yard. Have I ever said anything about me playing WOW? Wildstar? When people make assumptions about others it is indicative of persons who either lack a rational counter to a discussion or an inability to offer rational thought. Personally I am pondering if you are just a lonely person trying to create arguments for human interaction at this point as you debate the absurd.

There are numerous MMOs that were/are not cartoony. Your level of ignorance in this area is rather striking. You are merely making an argument based on semantics. You state in your very post this is an MMO which exactly affirms everything I said, "another MMO concept with a unique TES flavor".

The only reason you are even conjuring such an absurd confrontation is so you can somehow justify your position by casting everyone who has a different view into some dysfunctional and fictional "MMO player" camp. So you fabricate this arbitrary us and them so you can tell everyone how righteous you are and how heinous they are. Fact here Poodle guy, we all play the same game and it is another MMO no matter how distinct it may be. So if you just want to be argumentative for the sake of feeling alive or whatever purpose you have, please direct it at someone who can get paid to tolerate you. Go lie down on their couch and tell them all about the pathetic gamers who torment you.

PS. Do they have an ignore feature on this forum yet?

Phantorang · June 2014

Nice

Increase Templar DPS and Magicka regen, and I'll keep on paying. Also, im missing huge raids 48+ members

Items that need work to get, not only crafted, give us a reason to repeat content.

Phantorang · June 2014

Rosveen wrote: »

Pmarsico9 wrote: »

I think it looks good. However, the biggest issue right now is Templar and Nightblade Viability in Trials and the absolute dominance of essentially everybody wearing light armor and wielding a staff and they didn't address those at all aside from "incremental improvements to Nightblade," and "incremental nerfs to Dragon Knight." Nothing about Templars.

I am in this for the long haul and don't think this product will be what I would consider "released" for a year or so. But that's the case with nearly every AAA title these days and not a one has the flexibility and exploration values this game does.

Tweaking templars and nightblades won't fix the underlying issue, which is magicka-stamina balance.

It will fix everything, and my motivation to keep on playing and paying.

poodlemasterb16_ESO · June 2014

dracobains_ESO wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Nope it's an Elder Scrolls game built as an MMO. Although it is an MMO it's certainly not like the ones...

You make about as many presumptions as the dandelions in my neighbors yard. Have I ever said anything about me playing WOW? Wildstar? When people make assumptions about others it is indicative of persons who either lack a rational counter to a discussion or an inability to offer rational thought. Personally I am pondering if you are just a lonely person trying to create arguments for human interaction at this point as you debate the absurd.

There are numerous MMOs that were/are not cartoony. Your level of ignorance in this area is rather striking. You are merely making an argument based on semantics. You state in your very post this is an MMO which exactly affirms everything I said, "another MMO concept with a unique TES flavor".

The only reason you are even conjuring such an absurd confrontation is so you can somehow justify your position by casting everyone who has a different view into some dysfunctional and fictional "MMO player" camp. So you fabricate this arbitrary us and them so you can tell everyone how righteous you are and how heinous they are. Fact here Poodle guy, we all play the same game and it is another MMO no matter how distinct it may be. So if you just want to be argumentative for the sake of feeling alive or whatever purpose you have, please direct it at someone who can get paid to tolerate you. Go lie down on their couch and tell them all about the pathetic gamers who torment you.

PS. Do they have an ignore feature on this forum yet?

I actually should have said: "One would actually do that?" I was not referring to you specifically.

I have watched several MMOs in play and they kind of repulse me. The entire crowd of toons where a pile of 3rd person ones run around doing the MMO thing seems ridiculous. Since I have been playing this game I have done a lot of research into the genre. I have not changed my opinion.

The 'howls', MMO speak really, of fury that fill the forums were surprising at first, but I have become accustomed to them now.

A couple of things:

Grinding for loot is a foreign concept in TES. Certainly you want and appreciate the 'dragon mask' or whatever, and it may be useful but it's not at all the point of the game. It does seem to be the real point of many MMOs. There is some strange need I guess that is satisfied by having the 'best' coloured stuff, I still don't really get it. "I am superior, fear my fancy armor", or something like that, is what I take away. Not TES.

An attack on people who may have different opinions in a personal manner reveals your poverty. I have to, not play, this afternoon and evening because my dumb kids are doing Fathers Day. I have to go the my daughters and put up with my granddaughter and my son, the VR1 NB, while being fed salmon and fine scotch.

Oh yeah. My Dunmer main, well he is now. Crafting allows any look you want and I can swap that armor set around to fit the needs of the moment. It's a 3 2 2 basic setup I am finding works accross a variety of situations. Numbers are fun!:

elsom23 · June 2014

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

dracobains_ESO wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Nope it's an Elder Scrolls game built as an MMO. Although it is an MMO it's certainly not like the ones...

You make about as many presumptions as the dandelions in my neighbors yard. Have I ever said anything about me playing WOW? Wildstar? When people make assumptions about others it is indicative of persons who either lack a rational counter to a discussion or an inability to offer rational thought. Personally I am pondering if you are just a lonely person trying to create arguments for human interaction at this point as you debate the absurd.

There are numerous MMOs that were/are not cartoony. Your level of ignorance in this area is rather striking. You are merely making an argument based on semantics. You state in your very post this is an MMO which exactly affirms everything I said, "another MMO concept with a unique TES flavor".

The only reason you are even conjuring such an absurd confrontation is so you can somehow justify your position by casting everyone who has a different view into some dysfunctional and fictional "MMO player" camp. So you fabricate this arbitrary us and them so you can tell everyone how righteous you are and how heinous they are. Fact here Poodle guy, we all play the same game and it is another MMO no matter how distinct it may be. So if you just want to be argumentative for the sake of feeling alive or whatever purpose you have, please direct it at someone who can get paid to tolerate you. Go lie down on their couch and tell them all about the pathetic gamers who torment you.

PS. Do they have an ignore feature on this forum yet?

I actually should have said: "One would actually do that?" I was not referring to you specifically.

I have watched several MMOs in play and they kind of repulse me. The entire crowd of toons where a pile of 3rd person ones run around doing the MMO thing seems ridiculous. Since I have been playing this game I have done a lot of research into the genre. I have not changed my opinion.

The 'howls', MMO speak really, of fury that fill the forums were surprising at first, but I have become accustomed to them now.

A couple of things:

Grinding for loot is a foreign concept in TES. Certainly you want and appreciate the 'dragon mask' or whatever, and it may be useful but it's not at all the point of the game. It does seem to be the real point of many MMOs. There is some strange need I guess that is satisfied by having the 'best' coloured stuff, I still don't really get it. "I am superior, fear my fancy armor", or something like that, is what I take away. Not TES.

An attack on people who may have different opinions in a personal manner reveals your poverty. I have to, not play, this afternoon and evening because my dumb kids are doing Fathers Day. I have to go the my daughters and put up with my granddaughter and my son, the VR1 NB, while being fed salmon and fine scotch.

Oh yeah. My Dunmer main, well he is now. Crafting allows any look you want and I can swap that armor set around to fit the needs of the moment. It's a 3 2 2 basic setup I am finding works accross a variety of situations. Numbers are fun!:

photo looks awfulll

kaosodin · June 2014

NordJitsu wrote: »

No, I don't agree.

ZOS seems to have no idea how to balance their game and there's literally nothing in the near future that I'm excited about.

Here is a example of the kind of statements that make no sence.

So iif they didnt get it perfect out the gate, than you quit and trash the game.

Sorry thinking, in 60 days. Then you can spaz

poodlemasterb16_ESO · June 2014

elsom23 wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

dracobains_ESO wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Nope it's an Elder Scrolls game built as an MMO. Although it is an MMO it's certainly not like the ones...

You make about as many presumptions as the dandelions in my neighbors yard. Have I ever said anything about me playing WOW? Wildstar? When people make assumptions about others it is indicative of persons who either lack a rational counter to a discussion or an inability to offer rational thought. Personally I am pondering if you are just a lonely person trying to create arguments for human interaction at this point as you debate the absurd.

There are numerous MMOs that were/are not cartoony. Your level of ignorance in this area is rather striking. You are merely making an argument based on semantics. You state in your very post this is an MMO which exactly affirms everything I said, "another MMO concept with a unique TES flavor".

The only reason you are even conjuring such an absurd confrontation is so you can somehow justify your position by casting everyone who has a different view into some dysfunctional and fictional "MMO player" camp. So you fabricate this arbitrary us and them so you can tell everyone how righteous you are and how heinous they are. Fact here Poodle guy, we all play the same game and it is another MMO no matter how distinct it may be. So if you just want to be argumentative for the sake of feeling alive or whatever purpose you have, please direct it at someone who can get paid to tolerate you. Go lie down on their couch and tell them all about the pathetic gamers who torment you.

PS. Do they have an ignore feature on this forum yet?

I actually should have said: "One would actually do that?" I was not referring to you specifically.

I have watched several MMOs in play and they kind of repulse me. The entire crowd of toons where a pile of 3rd person ones run around doing the MMO thing seems ridiculous. Since I have been playing this game I have done a lot of research into the genre. I have not changed my opinion.

The 'howls', MMO speak really, of fury that fill the forums were surprising at first, but I have become accustomed to them now.

A couple of things:

Grinding for loot is a foreign concept in TES. Certainly you want and appreciate the 'dragon mask' or whatever, and it may be useful but it's not at all the point of the game. It does seem to be the real point of many MMOs. There is some strange need I guess that is satisfied by having the 'best' coloured stuff, I still don't really get it. "I am superior, fear my fancy armor", or something like that, is what I take away. Not TES.

An attack on people who may have different opinions in a personal manner reveals your poverty. I have to, not play, this afternoon and evening because my dumb kids are doing Fathers Day. I have to go the my daughters and put up with my granddaughter and my son, the VR1 NB, while being fed salmon and fine scotch.

Oh yeah. My Dunmer main, well he is now. Crafting allows any look you want and I can swap that armor set around to fit the needs of the moment. It's a 3 2 2 basic setup I am finding works accross a variety of situations. Numbers are fun!:

photo looks awfulll

Well it's a sceener really. It's funny I cannot find anything that looks at all good in the VR12 crap they give you on the PTS server.

I made that how I like it. I am pleased you don't. Umm, only one l in awful ... eh'.

Cogo · June 2014

Wargasmo wrote: »

Endgame IS mmo gaming. We don't drink alcohol, we drink DKP. We don't eat lobster, we eat world first progression. We don't have molten chocolate upside down cake for desert, we have organized pvp. But mostly.. we just don't drink because drunk people stand in the fire. And get kicked out of the raid.

Um, if you think ALL MMO gaming is only "endgame", and I guess you are refering to raiding? There is a lot of different "end game".

Not only are you so wrong. I cant find a word how wrong it is. But also, end game differs in a lot of MMOs.

The End-game is ESO have been explained. There will not be an end game, but a constant evolvement of the world, in a big different areas, where only 1 thing connects it all. The LORE or Tamriel.

Unless you only played 1 MMO, and think thats how all MMO must be, why I ask, where in the world did you come up with the idea that the"end game" IS MMO gaming? It is part of it, but gez........

If you do not understand what I am saying, stating that End game IS MMO gaming, is like stating "crafting" IS MMO gaming. Eh sure....but PART of it.

Tabbycat · June 2014

I like what they've said but I'm worried about the state of Templars and how players are going to react after the anomaly nerf if ZOS doesn't fix the problems with faction zone veteran leveling at the same time.

Luvsfuzzybunnies · June 2014

Cogo wrote: »

Its outstanding.

Main point, they doing alot, in a very good way. Not hasten anything, but actually making sure stuff works as much as possible before they introduce it.

The new guilds will come. But they need to balance the game first. New skills means more balancing. I cant wait on the new guilds either, but I rather have a solid game with no more OOPS Vampires.

And patience......

Right vampires shield bash bolt escape craglorn patch nightblades stamina builds Standards talons impulse lag in cyrodiil merc spam yeah I see how they have been rolling things out that are tested and working properly and fixing the things that are wrong before introducing new broken content.

Not sure if you were being funny or trolling though so maybe....

NerfEverything · June 2014

Absolutely not. The road ahead was the reason why I cancelled. No mention of Templar fixes. A class that has been broken since beta doesn't even get an acknowledgement. If they want a game with only 3 classes, that is fine, but they won't be getting any of my $ until they get their heads out of their ass.

poodlemasterb16_ESO · June 2014

Well this will be a better place for us when you guys go. Please feel free ...

Audigy · June 2014

I'd agree with you if the vast majority of players that are still active were still finishing up their primary campaign or in the early stages of VR content, but we both know that's not the case. Nearly 2 months into release, the majority of players fall into 2 categories:

Ok, lets hear

Those already at or very close to VR 12 and those who gave up long ago because the game was too "hard"

I don't know about that to be honest.

To reach VR 12 someone must play a lot and I mean really a lot! While I am a snail if it comes to consuming games, it still takes weeks of constant gaming to reach 50 and then there are still the Veteran Ranks and alternative chars.

In my opinion you definitely have those rushers to whom you seem to belong, they don't play games but consume their content as fast as possible, they rush every game we also had them at WoW, SWTOR, War or GW...

These people make a very small population at online gaming, maybe 10 or 15% but since they are a vocal minority many companies tend to cater to them.

The majority however plays a lot slower, these people are now close to level 50 and can then start with the max level content also known as VR´s. I wont deny that not everyone of these people is a pro gamer and might find specific situations a bit tricky, but the reason for trailing behind is mainly their available time and motivation to log on every day.
Loads of hard working people fall under that category, either because of job, family or university.

Last but not least you have snails, like me. People who spend a lot of time at worshipping a bush, checking outfits or in general just without a PC for days or weeks.
If you are in the Outback then you cant plug in your Laptop and just play

If class balance isn't dealt with, it breaks the gaming experience for ALL VR12 Nightblades and Templars who will undoubtedly either end up rerolling or quitting the game if imbalance persists for too long (and it already HAS persisted too long for a lot of people).

TESO is not about Esports, therefore those balance issues´s are not of major importance. You need to stop worrying about your DPS etc. Play for fun and not to be the Best in the world!

Likewise, if endgame content is not updated in a timely fashion and designed with sufficient difficulty that it keeps us in the game, endgame raiders WILL leave the game for greener pastures.

There is no Endgame in an MMO, when will people drop that ball finally? MMO´s are not supposed to offer you an end, they are a continuous project where your char develops further and further.

Besides that, ZO has so far only released content for your kind of player - the Raider. The next update again offers you a new playground and a future AV is already in the making. If someone has a right to complain, then its those who do not raid as they got nothing so far except the basic game which of course still has many hundred´s of hours left for them.

If you want even more raid content then good luck in finding that. I don't know an MMO which rolls out a new raid every week, last time I checked with Blizzard they have a 6 month cycle for that

jonasa100 · June 2014

no it is not looking good, they are bleeding subs left and right. look at your guild tabs and see for yourself. no more nerfs period, they are not starting with a solid foundation and will never balance classes out until they do. so many broken skills how the heck are you going to balance the players build. this is the starting point. then to fulfill "play the way you want too" they need to make pvp and pve level at the same pace and allow us to get our skill points either way to actually make a real build by doing either. you force players to play the way you want them too. this is at the minimum false advertising and at best ignorance.

keep adding to the broken game more broken content and then nerf anything that works......whoever is running, sry ruining this game should have his salary nerfed

Ragnar_Lodbrok · June 2014

Only nerfing staffs and light armor to the dirt might keep me around.

Therium104 · June 2014

Phantorang wrote: »

Nice

Increase Templar DPS and Magicka regen, and I'll keep on paying. Also, im missing huge raids 48+ members

Items that need work to get, not only crafted, give us a reason to repeat content.

Don't increase templar dps to keep everyone but this this guy playing. Lol.

khele23eb17_ESO · June 2014

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Well this will be a better place for us when you guys go. Please feel free ...

Yes, because games always get quicker fixes and more high quality content when money for development stops coming in...

Kingslayer · June 2014

dracobains_ESO wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Nope it's an Elder Scrolls game built as an MMO. Although it is an MMO it's certainly not like the ones...

You make about as many presumptions as the dandelions in my neighbors yard. Have I ever said anything about me playing WOW? Wildstar? When people make assumptions about others it is indicative of persons who either lack a rational counter to a discussion or an inability to offer rational thought. Personally I am pondering if you are just a lonely person trying to create arguments for human interaction at this point as you debate the absurd.

There are numerous MMOs that were/are not cartoony. Your level of ignorance in this area is rather striking. You are merely making an argument based on semantics. You state in your very post this is an MMO which exactly affirms everything I said, "another MMO concept with a unique TES flavor".

The only reason you are even conjuring such an absurd confrontation is so you can somehow justify your position by casting everyone who has a different view into some dysfunctional and fictional "MMO player" camp. So you fabricate this arbitrary us and them so you can tell everyone how righteous you are and how heinous they are. Fact here Poodle guy, we all play the same game and it is another MMO no matter how distinct it may be. So if you just want to be argumentative for the sake of feeling alive or whatever purpose you have, please direct it at someone who can get paid to tolerate you. Go lie down on their couch and tell them all about the pathetic gamers who torment you.

PS. Do they have an ignore feature on this forum yet?

Mmmmm dandelions

Custos91 · June 2014

I am curious, are people ignoring the existence of templars already?

Bromburak · June 2014

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Only nerfing staffs and light armor to the dirt might keep me around.

There is no need to nerf staff or light armor other armor types are improved and some adjustments are made to having reasons using stamina skills this includes weapon lines.

Should read AmA , road ahead and other Dev notes before you come here with your own expectations ...

rammstein2001pub18_ESO · June 2014

unsub ... really got let down by all the exploits ... i wonder if teso pays people to play like blizzard did with wow and if at all possible do they know that this exploit with emp is killing the game?

NordJitsu · June 2014

kaosodin wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

No, I don't agree.

ZOS seems to have no idea how to balance their game and there's literally nothing in the near future that I'm excited about.

Here is a example of the kind of statements that make no sence.

So iif they didnt get it perfect out the gate, than you quit and trash the game.

Sorry thinking, in 60 days. Then you can spaz

@kaosodin‌

Most of these issues have been around since September. Myself and the other closed Beta testers reported on these things and feedbacked the hell out of ZOS.

Its discouraging how many issues made it to live.

Its even more discouraging that they seem to often be changing things in the wrong direction.

Fact of the matter is, the game was not well balanced at release and many of the changes have made things worse rather than better. I've got no confidence that they'll be fixing the balance any more and I'm now fairly certain that they don't even understand what the problems are.

born2beagator · June 2014

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Only nerfing staffs and light armor to the dirt might keep me around.

"My class got nerfed, so I want all the others brought down too"

this is essentially what you are saying. Go ahead and leave, we will be better off without players with your mindset.