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~+~ So... am I the only one doing group dungeons? ~+~

Emperor
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I have tried to do the veteran 4-man group dungeons for the past couple of days and it is impossible to find a group. I wait for hours and sometimes I find 1 or MAYBE 2 other people that want to run a dungeon. I have my preferred rolls as tank and DPS so I'm not being too picky.

Is it the fact that absolutely no one is running 4 man vet dungeons or is the grouping system just broken? It really depresses me because 4 man dungeons and PvP are my favorite parts about this game.

EDIT 6/8/14:

ZENIMAX!!! I was just informed that VR 12 players can't use the group finder to search for any of the lower VR dungeons. Who would make that decision? No wonder it is so hard to find anyone to group with!

ALL VETERAN RANKS SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO ALL VETERAN DUNGEONS PERIOD.
Edited by Emperor on June 14, 2014 10:43PM
If you like small group PvP (2-4 players) and solo PvP check out my video ;)https://youtube.com/watch?v=jechGImtFio

SPOILER: The first 40 seconds of the video contains a scene from the final Molag Bal boss fight!

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  • CoUsT
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    I can tell you one thing. Searching for people that want to do achievements in veteran group dungeons is HARDER.

    So don't worry. :P
  • Sandmanninja
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    I'm almost VR3 and people just don't want me because the content of VR dungeons is so difficult. So I'm questing along Caldwell's lines and waiting until I'm VR4 or 5
    [Hard Mode Dungeoneers] is recruiting all players of all levels for this new Guild.
    THIS IS A NEW-BUT-GROWING GUILD. We are focused on doing vet pledges, vet dungeons, getting achieves, & doing hard mode bosses.
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  • cisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO
    Veteran dungeons are so 1st month broooooooo its all anoms grinding or nothing at all in this new age broooooooooooooooo
  • Dagus
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    i'm only 49 so can't speak much on behalf of the vet content yet, but i don't really see anyone shouting often for dungeons. and if they are, its normally the same dude over and over.

    and yes, as the "broooo" guy stated, it seems people just arent doing dungeons as much as they used to.
    RAWR!!!
  • Tjeerd
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    Same for me. Takes hours to find a complete group for a veteran dungeon. I tried Fungul Grotto 4 times in 2 weeks. All attempts failed before the halfway point... Usually because one of the four random players is really bad (not me :))
    Edited by Tjeerd on June 7, 2014 12:23PM
  • Hodorius
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    It´s because "everyone" is grinding anomalies in craglorn...
    Finding people for questing is nearly impossible as you need 4 people.

    I am searching since over a week people to do that last questline.
    Usually after about 2 hours I give up...
  • Seroczynski
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    ~+~ I only do group dungeons with people I know, on TS. I think a lot of others are doing so as well. ~+~
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  • murklor007neb18_ESO
    With only 4 peeps in a veteran group, having one "bad" member (mediocre player, wrong build, lazy, whatever) means you've failed the run before you even start. That's how high tuned the difficulty in veteran dungeons is. For VR1-5, its basicly a brickwall. For VR10+ maybe a little bit easier, but not by much.

    It scares so many people away they simply just dont want to enter the dungeons. This goes for the normal dungeons too.
  • GrimlockSaves
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    Yeah, there are a few people that make up smaller guilds out there that actually care about doing quests, dungeons and other content together in a meaningful way. They make up probably 3% of the population.

    The rest of the 97% of the population is farming anomalies in Craglorn to get to vet12 really quick. Then they go farm gold in Darkshade with the reset bug so they can buy stuff to make their armor shiny and so they can slam together pug AA groups and fail or go PVP in Cyrodiil and wipe due to a group bug. I'm not sure what the motivation is really, maybe to look cool or op or something.

    All-in-all, look around for people who seem to be playing the game for REAL and you might just find a group of people who will be willing to do dungeons.
    Edited by GrimlockSaves on June 7, 2014 12:44PM
  • Kazren
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    Yeah, there are a few people that make up smaller guilds out there that actually care about doing quests, dungeons and other content together in a meaningful way. They make up probably 3% of the population.

    The rest of the 97% of the population is farming anomalies in Craglorn to get to vet12 really quick. Then they go farm gold in Darkshade with the reset bug so they can buy stuff to make their armor shiny and so they can slam together pug AA groups and fail or go PVP in Cyrodiil and wipe due to a group bug. I'm not sure what the motivation is really, maybe to look cool or op or something.

    All-in-all, look around for people who seem to be playing the game for REAL and you might just find a group of people who will be willing to do dungeons.

    What does "farming anomalies" mean? Can a Vet 4 enter Craglorn and not immediately die?
  • Azarul
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    Definitely, get in there its the fastest way to level.
  • Nazon_Katts
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    I'm trying to get there, but am still missing a couple of SP for healing skills and thus haven't a viable build for vet dungeons yet. But it's true, the risk vs reward ratio is totally off, so most people just don't bother with 'em. Maybe when more people hit VR12 and get bored it'll be a tad bit easier to find a group.
    "You've probably figured that out by now. Let's hope so. Or we're in real trouble... and out come the intestines. And I skip rope with them!"
  • Blackwidow
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    Emperor wrote: »
    I have tried to do the veteran 4-man group dungeons for the past couple of days and it is impossible to find a group. I wait for hours and sometimes I find 1 or MAYBE 2 other people that want to run a dungeon. I have my preferred rolls as tank and DPS so I'm not being too picky.

    Is it the fact that absolutely no one is running 4 man vet dungeons or is the grouping system just broken? It really depresses me because 4 man dungeons and PvP are my favorite parts about this game.

    That can't be right. With the huge burst in population, there should be more than enough people to find for groups. ;)
  • tordr86b16_ESO
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    With only 4 peeps in a veteran group, having one "bad" member (mediocre player, wrong build, lazy, whatever) means you've failed the run before you even start. That's how high tuned the difficulty in veteran dungeons is. For VR1-5, its basicly a brickwall. For VR10+ maybe a little bit easier, but not by much.

    It scares so many people away they simply just dont want to enter the dungeons. This goes for the normal dungeons too.

    Many of the vet dungeons are easy, there are only a few that are truly challenging - a select few bosses only though.

  • tinythinker
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    Kazren wrote: »
    What does "farming anomalies" mean? Can a Vet 4 enter Craglorn and not immediately die?

    @Kazren‌

    Farming means boss farming, or killing bosses over and over because they give better experience or veteran points than normal mobs. It is a way to level or rank up faster than questing*. There are sites throughout the game where some bosses respawn faster or where there is a cluster of bosses that are near each other so that you can form a loop going from one to the next giving them time to respawn.

    Yes, you can go to Craglorn and participate in farming at VR1. Just go to Craglorn and check zone chat. You will see things like "LF1M anomalies" (i.e. looking for one more to do anomalies). And besides anomalies there are burial runs (both north and south), dungeons, and other sites with bosses. Anomalie groups and burials groups tend to do boss loops, but some groups doing anomalies just camp on one. Anomalies are really crowded and the veteran point gain is unreliable according to posts on the forum. Also, the devs are supposed to be looking into the amount of points awarded for anomalies right now and may introduce changes on Monday.

    Most of the groups doing farming/grinding don't require a specific veteran rank, but occasionally someone will post such a requirement. Usually the only requirement posted is for a specific role like dps or healer, but again, it's usually just any rank/role on a first-to-send-tell, first-to-be-invited basis.

    (*At lower levels you may find questing is as fast or faster than grinding. By the 40s questing and farming/grinding tend to be even in speed depending on what you are doing. By veteran ranks farming in a zone like Craglorn is extraordinarily faster than doing questing.)

    Edited by tinythinker on June 7, 2014 1:35PM
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  • tinythinker
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    With only 4 peeps in a veteran group, having one "bad" member (mediocre player, wrong build, lazy, whatever) means you've failed the run before you even start. That's how high tuned the difficulty in veteran dungeons is. For VR1-5, its basicly a brickwall. For VR10+ maybe a little bit easier, but not by much.

    It scares so many people away they simply just dont want to enter the dungeons. This goes for the normal dungeons too.

    Yup. It's getting harder to find PUGS for vet dungeons, and it really does help to have friends or to be in a decent guild that does dungeon runs. Either way you then have people who will be patient and give helpful pointers rather than the alternatives.

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  • Adrastes
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    they should just drop difficulty to make these solo. cos there is no way to get groups. i have tried grouping for hours every day for last week without getting full team...
  • infraction2008b16_ESO
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    All it seems players want to do in this game is bash a crystal at an anomaly or farm dolmens.

    They've made the game unrewarding to do anything besides that.
  • Emperor
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    I figured a lot of vet people were doing anomalies and PvP, but there seriously aren't any other people that enjoy dungeons? They are so fun :\

    Oh and please don't nerf the difficulty Zenimax. That is what makes them so fun :\

    I just wish more people did them... hopefully they will once they nerf anomalies monday.
    If you like small group PvP (2-4 players) and solo PvP check out my video ;)https://youtube.com/watch?v=jechGImtFio

    SPOILER: The first 40 seconds of the video contains a scene from the final Molag Bal boss fight!

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  • Emperor
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    I tried doing dungeons again today and I found 2 other people out of all 3 VR6-10 dungeons... luckily a guild mate joined us so we could do some dungeons woot...Still sad to only see 2 other people using group finder sigh...
    If you like small group PvP (2-4 players) and solo PvP check out my video ;)https://youtube.com/watch?v=jechGImtFio

    SPOILER: The first 40 seconds of the video contains a scene from the final Molag Bal boss fight!

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  • RangerChad
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    I look for groups for Craglorn dungeons, but nobody wants to take me. (Templar)
  • Moiskormoimi
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    One would think if the population was booming, there would be enough to sustain the lfg dungeon sector. Even with anomaly farming. It's probably a combination of both a declining population and the lfg not working as intended.
  • Alphashado
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    Not many people want to PUG VR dungeons because they are just a waste of time and a repair bill unless you are fortunate enough to get a great group. That being said, I think this thread is just a poorly veiled attempt from you to slam Craglorn again.
  • Loco_Mofo
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    RangerChad wrote: »
    I look for groups for Craglorn dungeons, but nobody wants to take me. (Templar)

    You too?

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  • Emperor
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    @Alphashado‌
    What do you mean slam Craglorn? I'm just surprised that there are no people to do dungeons with. I'm curious if the group finder is working as intended.
    If you like small group PvP (2-4 players) and solo PvP check out my video ;)https://youtube.com/watch?v=jechGImtFio

    SPOILER: The first 40 seconds of the video contains a scene from the final Molag Bal boss fight!

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  • Emperor
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    Alphashado wrote: »
    Not many people want to PUG VR dungeons because they are just a waste of time and a repair bill unless you are fortunate enough to get a great group. That being said, I think this thread is just a poorly veiled attempt from you to slam Craglorn again.

    That is a sad attitude for people to take. I have played the veteran dungeons multiple times with average players that don't have near the best gear or skill and still completeted the dungeon fairly easily. It just takes a couple minutes to explain the boss mechanics to people and tell them what they can do to improve :smiley:

    If you like small group PvP (2-4 players) and solo PvP check out my video ;)https://youtube.com/watch?v=jechGImtFio

    SPOILER: The first 40 seconds of the video contains a scene from the final Molag Bal boss fight!

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  • Alphashado
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    Emperor wrote: »
    Alphashado wrote: »
    Not many people want to PUG VR dungeons because they are just a waste of time and a repair bill unless you are fortunate enough to get a great group. That being said, I think this thread is just a poorly veiled attempt from you to slam Craglorn again.

    That is a sad attitude for people to take. I have played the veteran dungeons multiple times with average players that don't have near the best gear or skill and still completeted the dungeon fairly easily. It just takes a couple minutes to explain the boss mechanics to people and tell them what they can do to improve :smiley:

    You may be right. I am just going on what I've heard and my own experience. At VR6 I hve tried to heal a pug through BC 4 times now. In every case the group couldn't get past the boss with the Clanfears. The next wave of adds started before the group could burn the Clanfears down and it was a wipe. All 4 times with different groups we wiped at least ten times before calling it.

    I understand it's a dps race. And understanding that and telling the group that still didn't help. They were doing the best they could. I don't fault them. I fault the game for making most dps outside of Sorc and DK staff builds insufficient.

  • Emperor
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    @Alphashado‌
    Ah, that is one of the tougher battles indeed. The secret to that battle is croud control and DPS. The team members need to understand a few things besides just trying to DPS the adds.

    - The tank should set up his/her secondary weapon as DPS for the adds so he can help as well during that stage
    - Everyone should have a plan beforehand when to use their ultimate. 1 ultimate should be used per add spawn unless it is the imps. The imps are weak so there is no need to waste an ultimate.
    - AS SOON AS THE ADDS SPAWN there should be crowd control thrown down on them. Volcanic rune comes in handy during this especially for the flying creatures. Everyone can get volcanic rune so I highly suggest it. If no one has volcanic rune their are plenty of other crowd controls :)
    - STAY TOGETHER for the adds. This makes it possible to make efficient use of AOE attacks and helps the healer.

    These are a few of the tips I make sure my team understands before doing that fight. It's all about preparation ;)
    If you like small group PvP (2-4 players) and solo PvP check out my video ;)https://youtube.com/watch?v=jechGImtFio

    SPOILER: The first 40 seconds of the video contains a scene from the final Molag Bal boss fight!

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  • Emperor
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    Cheers to hoping for more dungeoneers out there :(
    If you like small group PvP (2-4 players) and solo PvP check out my video ;)https://youtube.com/watch?v=jechGImtFio

    SPOILER: The first 40 seconds of the video contains a scene from the final Molag Bal boss fight!

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  • SoulScream
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    I still have quests and some dungeons to do in Craglorn. It IS tough to find a group sometimes. There is a wall of scrolling text for grinding but very little LFG for quest/dungeon. I think I have five dungeons left each one has a sky shard plus they are fun and good loot.

    I have joined PUG's a few times for them and we had 3-4 players vr10ish and did fine. The difficulty seems fine (I'm vr11 templar and sometimes heal other times tank or dps). I tried Shada's Tear a few times with PUG and could not finish it. That place is tough!
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