Nerf Volcanic Rune - Enough Already ( ZOS tested this and found it to be working as intended)

Stratti · June 2014

@Fleymark‌
Let me show you your personal attack
I'll define it as an attack on a persons character , play style, skill or what have you rather than their point

First one
"This is why you are taking so much flack in this thread of yours and people are giving you the ole L2P. You are coming off half cocked calling for nerfs of something without understanding what it is you are seeing when you see it used. If you have an issue with a skill, say so. But calling people exploiters and calling for nerfs when you really dont know what you are talking about is pretty ridiculous, although typical of the current crop of gamers."

Pretty self evident kind of gives it away when you say 'you are'

The previous post

"People like you never look at the whole picture. There is a fine line in pulling this off...it's dangerous and requires timing and player reaction the entire fight. But if you were to watch it when it goes well it would look easy. I'm sure you would call for a nerf."

People like you... Another clear example.

O and another one
"LOL Classic. These people are unreal."
Again a personal attack not really an argument or a discussion of the issue.

Do not mistake me pointing to these as these having any real impact on me other than to take my time to respond.

It's just a poor form of argument and takes away from you having any real reply.

So if you wish to actually respond to thread do so . If you do not agree then say so.

Refrain from personal attacks as they do nothing to me - I already believe I'm perfect (sarcasm) and makes you look less than favourable to a mature reader

Taiminator · June 2014

Yankee wrote: »

Fleymark wrote: »

Makes it look easy. Nerf that?

I can solo any quest or public dungeon boss with the knockback if I time it right with other dmg and manage stamina properly. Maybe even world bosses but I've not taken the time to see if any can be knocked back. Most can't.

When it works, it makes it look really easy. Nerf that?

What's the difference between an archer using his skillset with an aoe cc ability and a knockback as the centerpiece and building and managing his stamina pool for it and a caster doing the same with VR?

This is why you are taking so much flack in this thread of yours and people are giving you the ole L2P. You are coming off half cocked calling for nerfs of something without understanding what it is you are seeing when you see it used. If you have an issue with a skill, say so. But calling people exploiters and calling for nerfs when you really dont know what you are talking about is pretty ridiculous, although typical of the current crop of gamers.

You post was insightful and well put. It is too bad it will be wasted on this OP.

He has created 4 recent threads related to nerfing staff caster builds. There is no reasoning with him. Unless you cave in and agree then you will just get the same argument back again and again (and again and again).

If his threads would have asked ZOS to examine and possibly buff some of the stamina skills or medium/heavy armor passives and given some specific examples and suggestions then I could understand. Perhaps others would too.

But is is all about nerfing. Even though the majority of replies in his 4 threads have not agreed with his argument, that has make zero impression.

He will just wear you out.

Agreed. True definition of a hypocritical troll, this guy. He simply won't respond to any reasonsable arguments and childishly keeps falling back on the "I don't speak with rude people" farce if valid points are made, all the while projecting his own immaturity onto others. Unbelievable for him not to vomit from his own hypocrisy, given that he has far superior CC with Talons.

SilverWF · June 2014

OP must learn to play
Or just grow...

Stratti · June 2014

HarryParatestes wrote: »

Yankee wrote: »

Fleymark wrote: »

Makes it look easy. Nerf that?

I can solo any quest or public dungeon boss with the knockback if I time it right with other dmg and manage stamina properly. Maybe even world bosses but I've not taken the time to see if any can be knocked back. Most can't.

When it works, it makes it look really easy. Nerf that?

What's the difference between an archer using his skillset with an aoe cc ability and a knockback as the centerpiece and building and managing his stamina pool for it and a caster doing the same with VR?

This is why you are taking so much flack in this thread of yours and people are giving you the ole L2P. You are coming off half cocked calling for nerfs of something without understanding what it is you are seeing when you see it used. If you have an issue with a skill, say so. But calling people exploiters and calling for nerfs when you really dont know what you are talking about is pretty ridiculous, although typical of the current crop of gamers.

You post was insightful and well put. It is too bad it will be wasted on this OP.

He has created 4 recent threads related to nerfing staff caster builds. There is no reasoning with him. Unless you cave in and agree then you will just get the same argument back again and again (and again and again).

If his threads would have asked ZOS to examine and possibly buff some of the stamina skills or medium/heavy armor passives and given some specific examples and suggestions then I could understand. Perhaps others would too.

But is is all about nerfing. Even though the majority of replies in his 4 threads have not agreed with his argument, that has make zero impression.

He will just wear you out.

Agreed. True definition of a hypocritical troll, this guy. He simply won't respond to any reasonsable arguments and childishly keeps falling back on the "I don't speak with rude people" farce if valid points are made, all the while projecting his own immaturity onto others. Unbelievable for him not to vomit from his own hypocrisy, given that he has far superior CC with Talons.

Am I trolling ? I will respond to any reasonable argument as I did to your request on a nerf of Talons

Here is the test champion give me a valid reason not to nerf to prevent the exploits I identified .

1 solid argument ( try not to get personal )

LariahHunding · June 2014

OP, do you have family members who mobs? Can't figure out why you are worrying about other players killing PVE mobs with any means necessary.

People make builds intentionally for high magica regen, which is the REAL issue you have. Don't know where the exploit is.

I have a VR6 NB medium magica build (blood mage type) and I can spam VR 4-5 before being empty.

Personally, don't much care for soloing, spreads the mobs out, making other attacks ineffective.

Taiminator · June 2014

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

HarryParatestes wrote: »

WOW. I havent seen as much projection as from OP in long time, calling people childish.

Let me ask you this. Do you want a 30s cooldown on Talons as well? It casts faster than VR, has same magicka cost, same stun duration and does almost twice the damage but it doesnt spread mobs apart as VR does? Do you want that 30s cooldown? because if not, you are a raging hyprocrite.

Fair question. If someone felt and Zen agreed that it was required I would deal with it and move on

Projection, childish etc that was not necessary your point was a fair one. It seems so many on forums feel they are not truly communicating unless they create a parenthesis with an insult around their point

Go figure

LOL, you derailed this whole thread immediately by calling everyone childish that disagreed with you. I'm just calling you out on your hypocrisy.

hamon · June 2014

let this thread die its only alive cos the OP has posted over 100 comments themselves to keep it open by baiting and agruing with everyone who dissagree's .

STOP feeding this thread.. that exactly what they want in the hope some dev doesnt actually read it and see the vast majority utterly dissagree

Taiminator · June 2014

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

HarryParatestes wrote: »

Yankee wrote: »

Fleymark wrote: »

Makes it look easy. Nerf that?

I can solo any quest or public dungeon boss with the knockback if I time it right with other dmg and manage stamina properly. Maybe even world bosses but I've not taken the time to see if any can be knocked back. Most can't.

When it works, it makes it look really easy. Nerf that?

What's the difference between an archer using his skillset with an aoe cc ability and a knockback as the centerpiece and building and managing his stamina pool for it and a caster doing the same with VR?

This is why you are taking so much flack in this thread of yours and people are giving you the ole L2P. You are coming off half cocked calling for nerfs of something without understanding what it is you are seeing when you see it used. If you have an issue with a skill, say so. But calling people exploiters and calling for nerfs when you really dont know what you are talking about is pretty ridiculous, although typical of the current crop of gamers.

You post was insightful and well put. It is too bad it will be wasted on this OP.

He has created 4 recent threads related to nerfing staff caster builds. There is no reasoning with him. Unless you cave in and agree then you will just get the same argument back again and again (and again and again).

If his threads would have asked ZOS to examine and possibly buff some of the stamina skills or medium/heavy armor passives and given some specific examples and suggestions then I could understand. Perhaps others would too.

But is is all about nerfing. Even though the majority of replies in his 4 threads have not agreed with his argument, that has make zero impression.

He will just wear you out.

Agreed. True definition of a hypocritical troll, this guy. He simply won't respond to any reasonsable arguments and childishly keeps falling back on the "I don't speak with rude people" farce if valid points are made, all the while projecting his own immaturity onto others. Unbelievable for him not to vomit from his own hypocrisy, given that he has far superior CC with Talons.

Am I trolling ? I will respond to any reasonable argument as I did to your request on a nerf of Talons

Here is the test champion give me a valid reason not to nerf to prevent the exploits I identified .

1 solid argument ( try not to get personal )

I already did but you ignored it. I'll copy paste it again:

With enough magicka regen you can still spam talons indefinitely. Do you want a 30s cooldown on Talons as well? Volcanic Rune isnt even as OP as you stated. It takes longer to hit than Talons, spreads enemies out so in a non-corridor situation you would have to get really lucky to be hitting the entire pack twice with it, especially if there are casters/archers involved. Spamming VR is really not effective and far from OP. Talons has the same magicka cost, same stun duration, does almost twice the damage but DOES NOT SPREAD mobs part. The only class I never see use Volcanic Rune is DK because they have Talons which is plain better. Demanding that Volcanic Rune, a skill every class has access to, be nerfed to a 30s cooldown without the same happening to Talons, which is DK exlusive, is hypocritical to say the least.

Stratti · June 2014

gougefub17_ESO wrote: »

OP, do you have family members who mobs? Can't figure out why you are worrying about other players killing PVE mobs with any means necessary.

People make builds intentionally for high magica regen, which is the REAL issue you have. Don't know where the exploit is.

I have a VR6 NB medium magica build (blood mage type) and I can spam VR 4-5 before being empty.

Personally, don't much care for soloing, spreads the mobs out, making other attacks ineffective.

So in that you say it is being used that way - you do not care for it I take it because it is slower

My issue is that it is being used this way and to nerf it to stop bots and people easy modeing the game . It would be more effective with melee mobs I'd imagine - the guys I saw taking advantage weren't dps quickly they just were doing easily with no damage taken .

The exploit I see is someone doing what I described. I don't mind players killing mobs of course but I don't want to see abilities that trivialise it for one build over another

Yankee · June 2014

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

HarryParatestes wrote: »

Yankee wrote: »

Fleymark wrote: »

Makes it look easy. Nerf that?

I can solo any quest or public dungeon boss with the knockback if I time it right with other dmg and manage stamina properly. Maybe even world bosses but I've not taken the time to see if any can be knocked back. Most can't.

When it works, it makes it look really easy. Nerf that?

What's the difference between an archer using his skillset with an aoe cc ability and a knockback as the centerpiece and building and managing his stamina pool for it and a caster doing the same with VR?

This is why you are taking so much flack in this thread of yours and people are giving you the ole L2P. You are coming off half cocked calling for nerfs of something without understanding what it is you are seeing when you see it used. If you have an issue with a skill, say so. But calling people exploiters and calling for nerfs when you really dont know what you are talking about is pretty ridiculous, although typical of the current crop of gamers.

You post was insightful and well put. It is too bad it will be wasted on this OP.

He has created 4 recent threads related to nerfing staff caster builds. There is no reasoning with him. Unless you cave in and agree then you will just get the same argument back again and again (and again and again).

If his threads would have asked ZOS to examine and possibly buff some of the stamina skills or medium/heavy armor passives and given some specific examples and suggestions then I could understand. Perhaps others would too.

But is is all about nerfing. Even though the majority of replies in his 4 threads have not agreed with his argument, that has make zero impression.

He will just wear you out.

Agreed. True definition of a hypocritical troll, this guy. He simply won't respond to any reasonsable arguments and childishly keeps falling back on the "I don't speak with rude people" farce if valid points are made, all the while projecting his own immaturity onto others. Unbelievable for him not to vomit from his own hypocrisy, given that he has far superior CC with Talons.

Am I trolling ? I will respond to any reasonable argument as I did to your request on a nerf of Talons

Here is the test champion give me a valid reason not to nerf to prevent the exploits I identified .

1 solid argument ( try not to get personal )

I am normally polite with people, so pointing out your numerous nerf threads and the fact you will not relent or be reasoned with was not done lightly.

But if you would go back and really read the replies to your thread(s), there are many solid arguments given on why people do not agree with you.

I am not going to list them all, because I believe you will not accept them so it is a waste of time.

Because you will respond to any argument that you see this mage skill as an exploit that needs to be nerfed. Just as you have repeated for 14 pages.

Stratti · June 2014

hamon wrote: »

let this thread die its only alive cos the OP has posted over 100 comments themselves to keep it open by baiting and agruing with everyone who dissagree's .

STOP feeding this thread.. that exactly what they want in the hope some dev doesnt actually read it and see the vast majority utterly dissagree

Or sees that the people who disagree are the ones who want to cling on to an OP ability.

If you read people's comments most of them say something like

'Cmon it's my only way of steamrolling please leave it '

yodased · June 2014

100 LOLs
You received 100 LOLs. When you're liked this much, you'll be an MVP in no time!
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This does nothing for your actual forum points. Look at your points not your badges.

Stratti · June 2014

@HarryParatestes‌

That's ok you missed my response to your question
The question wasn't an argument against nerfing VR but rather saying I have a similar ability

Here is my response copy and pasted as you did above
HarryParatestes wrote: »
WOW. I havent seen as much projection as from OP in long time, calling people childish.

Let me ask you this. Do you want a 30s cooldown on Talons as well? It casts faster than VR, has same magicka cost, same stun duration and does almost twice the damage but it doesnt spread mobs apart as VR does? Do you want that 30s cooldown? because if not, you are a raging hyprocrite.
My response here

"Fair question. If someone felt and Zen agreed that it was required I would deal with it and move on"

Projection, childish etc that was not necessary your point was a fair one. It seems so many on forums feel they are not truly communicating unless they create a parenthesis with an insult around their point

Go figure

Stratti · June 2014

Phantorang wrote: »

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

HarryParatestes wrote: »

WOW. I havent seen as much projection as from OP in long time, calling people childish.

Let me ask you this. Do you want a 30s cooldown on Talons as well? It casts faster than VR, has same magicka cost, same stun duration and does almost twice the damage but it doesnt spread mobs apart as VR does? Do you want that 30s cooldown? because if not, you are a raging hyprocrite.

Fair question. If someone felt and Zen agreed that it was required I would deal with it and move on

Projection, childish etc that was not necessary your point was a fair one. It seems so many on forums feel they are not truly communicating unless they create a parenthesis with an insult around their point

Go figure

So spamming Talons isn't an exploit? But Volcanic Rune is, even though Talons is alot more powerful?

The Hypocrisy is strong with this one.

Starting to look like DKs revenge on the community...

ROFL maybe check my response to that above and my response to the GBD thread - or don't but I'm certainly. Not hypocritical

But you seem to like to attack people in a personal way which shows a lack of confidence in your communication skills

Taiminator · June 2014

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

@HarryParatestes‌

That's ok you missed my response to your question
The question wasn't an argument against nerfing VR but rather saying I have a similar ability

Here is my response copy and pasted as you did above
HarryParatestes wrote: »
WOW. I havent seen as much projection as from OP in long time, calling people childish.

Let me ask you this. Do you want a 30s cooldown on Talons as well? It casts faster than VR, has same magicka cost, same stun duration and does almost twice the damage but it doesnt spread mobs apart as VR does? Do you want that 30s cooldown? because if not, you are a raging hyprocrite.
My response here

"Fair question. If someone felt and Zen agreed that it was required I would deal with it and move on"

Projection, childish etc that was not necessary your point was a fair one. It seems so many on forums feel they are not truly communicating unless they create a parenthesis with an insult around their point

Go figure

You again completely neglected to answer to my points as to why VR is inferior to Talons and chose to repeat yourself to make this thread look bigger than it actually is

Fleymark · June 2014

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

@Fleymark‌
Let me show you your personal attack
I'll define it as an attack on a persons character , play style, skill or what have you rather than their point

First one
"This is why you are taking so much flack in this thread of yours and people are giving you the ole L2P. You are coming off half cocked calling for nerfs of something without understanding what it is you are seeing when you see it used. If you have an issue with a skill, say so. But calling people exploiters and calling for nerfs when you really dont know what you are talking about is pretty ridiculous, although typical of the current crop of gamers."

Pretty self evident kind of gives it away when you say 'you are'

The previous post

"People like you never look at the whole picture. There is a fine line in pulling this off...it's dangerous and requires timing and player reaction the entire fight. But if you were to watch it when it goes well it would look easy. I'm sure you would call for a nerf."

People like you... Another clear example.

O and another one
"LOL Classic. These people are unreal."
Again a personal attack not really an argument or a discussion of the issue.

Do not mistake me pointing to these as these having any real impact on me other than to take my time to respond.

It's just a poor form of argument and takes away from you having any real reply.

So if you wish to actually respond to thread do so . If you do not agree then say so.

Refrain from personal attacks as they do nothing to me - I already believe I'm perfect (sarcasm) and makes you look less than favourable to a mature reader

Alright, you have to be trolling.

Yankee · June 2014

hamon wrote: »

let this thread die its only alive cos the OP has posted over 100 comments themselves to keep it open by baiting and agruing with everyone who dissagree's .

STOP feeding this thread.. that exactly what they want in the hope some dev doesnt actually read it and see the vast majority utterly dissagree

I would normally agree with you, but it won't do any good. The OP has created 3 more nerf threads related to his same complaint.

Stratti · June 2014

Yankee wrote: »

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

HarryParatestes wrote: »

Yankee wrote: »

Fleymark wrote: »

Makes it look easy. Nerf that?

I can solo any quest or public dungeon boss with the knockback if I time it right with other dmg and manage stamina properly. Maybe even world bosses but I've not taken the time to see if any can be knocked back. Most can't.

When it works, it makes it look really easy. Nerf that?

What's the difference between an archer using his skillset with an aoe cc ability and a knockback as the centerpiece and building and managing his stamina pool for it and a caster doing the same with VR?

This is why you are taking so much flack in this thread of yours and people are giving you the ole L2P. You are coming off half cocked calling for nerfs of something without understanding what it is you are seeing when you see it used. If you have an issue with a skill, say so. But calling people exploiters and calling for nerfs when you really dont know what you are talking about is pretty ridiculous, although typical of the current crop of gamers.

You post was insightful and well put. It is too bad it will be wasted on this OP.

He has created 4 recent threads related to nerfing staff caster builds. There is no reasoning with him. Unless you cave in and agree then you will just get the same argument back again and again (and again and again).

If his threads would have asked ZOS to examine and possibly buff some of the stamina skills or medium/heavy armor passives and given some specific examples and suggestions then I could understand. Perhaps others would too.

But is is all about nerfing. Even though the majority of replies in his 4 threads have not agreed with his argument, that has make zero impression.

He will just wear you out.

Agreed. True definition of a hypocritical troll, this guy. He simply won't respond to any reasonsable arguments and childishly keeps falling back on the "I don't speak with rude people" farce if valid points are made, all the while projecting his own immaturity onto others. Unbelievable for him not to vomit from his own hypocrisy, given that he has far superior CC with Talons.

Am I trolling ? I will respond to any reasonable argument as I did to your request on a nerf of Talons

Here is the test champion give me a valid reason not to nerf to prevent the exploits I identified .

1 solid argument ( try not to get personal )

I am normally polite with people, so pointing out your numerous nerf threads and the fact you will not relent or be reasoned with was not done lightly.

But if you would go back and really read the replies to your thread(s), there are many solid arguments given on why people do not agree with you.

I am not going to list them all, because I believe you will not accept them so it is a waste of time.

Because you will respond to any argument that you see this mage skill as an exploit that needs to be nerfed. Just as you have repeated for 14 pages.

Don't be like that Yankee your points I responded to as did others and you have always been polite - that quote was directed at others

If I remember your point was don't nerf but buff others - I believe a few people argued against that on design grounds of which I agreed with them.

You have always conducted yourself with respect hence I respect you

Stratti · June 2014

Yankee wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

let this thread die its only alive cos the OP has posted over 100 comments themselves to keep it open by baiting and agruing with everyone who dissagree's .

STOP feeding this thread.. that exactly what they want in the hope some dev doesnt actually read it and see the vast majority utterly dissagree

I would normally agree with you, but it won't do any good. The OP has created 3 more nerf threads related to his same complaint.

Did I ? Which other nerf threads about volcanic rune ?

Stratti · June 2014

Fleymark wrote: »

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

@Fleymark‌
Let me show you your personal attack
I'll define it as an attack on a persons character , play style, skill or what have you rather than their point

First one
"This is why you are taking so much flack in this thread of yours and people are giving you the ole L2P. You are coming off half cocked calling for nerfs of something without understanding what it is you are seeing when you see it used. If you have an issue with a skill, say so. But calling people exploiters and calling for nerfs when you really dont know what you are talking about is pretty ridiculous, although typical of the current crop of gamers."

Pretty self evident kind of gives it away when you say 'you are'

The previous post

"People like you never look at the whole picture. There is a fine line in pulling this off...it's dangerous and requires timing and player reaction the entire fight. But if you were to watch it when it goes well it would look easy. I'm sure you would call for a nerf."

People like you... Another clear example.

O and another one
"LOL Classic. These people are unreal."
Again a personal attack not really an argument or a discussion of the issue.

Do not mistake me pointing to these as these having any real impact on me other than to take my time to respond.

It's just a poor form of argument and takes away from you having any real reply.

So if you wish to actually respond to thread do so . If you do not agree then say so.

Refrain from personal attacks as they do nothing to me - I already believe I'm perfect (sarcasm) and makes you look less than favourable to a mature reader

Alright, you have to be trolling.

No just pointing out the incorrect nature of the statement saying you don't do personal attacks . Kind of simple really - trolling? That word has no meaning any more
Baiting.?
Flaming?
Being a pain in the ass ?

These are better words

Being superfluous ?
Irritating?
Condescending ?
Unreasonable?
Dogged
Dogmatic

These are other words

But you chose 'trolling '

Yankee · June 2014

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

Yankee wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

let this thread die its only alive cos the OP has posted over 100 comments themselves to keep it open by baiting and agruing with everyone who dissagree's .

STOP feeding this thread.. that exactly what they want in the hope some dev doesnt actually read it and see the vast majority utterly dissagree

I would normally agree with you, but it won't do any good. The OP has created 3 more nerf threads related to his same complaint.

Did I ? Which other nerf threads about volcanic rune ?

You other threads are anti light armor/staff/AoE "mage" builds. It is all related to a popular play style and build you find OP. These builds typically use light armor, Impulse, Volcanic Rune, and probably Mage Light.

Why don't you use some of your vast energy to examine weak skills in the stamina and other armor lines and create some discussion on improving those?

Stratti · June 2014

O that thread - yeah ESO becoming Hogwarts nothing but stick and dresses.

Do you not think that is a legitimate concern ? Many people do
Different thing really this thread is about an OP ability when used by stick and dress
The other thread is more about the balance overall in numbers of classes and homogeneity in the game namely nothing but stick and dresses.

I don't really post in that thread but I better check it out

Taiminator · June 2014

OP, you should try out VR yourself and see how inferior it actually is compared to Talons. It needs to be aimed, takes about 2 seconds to hit and stun. It spreads enemies apart and does negligible damage. Spamming it is not an exploit, it's a sign of desperation. 30s cooldown is just plain unreasonable. Those irrational demands coupled with your insistence on the same debunked arguments as well calling people childish for disagreeing is the reason you are provoking insults. Textbook trolling

Stratti · June 2014

HarryParatestes wrote: »

OP, you should try out VR yourself and see how inferior it actually is compared to Talons. It needs to be aimed, takes about 2 seconds to hit and stun. It spreads enemies apart and does negligible damage. Spamming it is not an exploit, it's a sign of desperation. 30s cooldown is just plain unreasonable. Those irrational demands coupled with your insistence on the same debunked arguments as well calling people childish for disagreeing is the reason you are provoking insults. Textbook trolling

O well .... It's a shame you made a point but still had to place an insult in parenthesis - so close you were too - your first real point

So your saying it's not something that should be spammed as it is useless (I observed otherwise and others have admitted to it as well during this thread)
Despite this you think a nerf is unreasonable

Since you didn't read the posts discussing the cooldown I think 5 to 10 seconds is a good option

Others said greater magicka cost ( I don't like that as it takes it's panic button function away)

Another poster mentioned reducing it to only two (similar to the inhale nerf)

30 sec would be unreasonable not sure if that was an original thought but since the original post this was discussed

Yankee · June 2014

People need to start flagging the OP's threads as trolling or spam. He just created a 5th nerf sorc/caster thread a few minutes ago. They are all related.

Perhaps a moderator can step in and have a conversation on why a poster should be able to create multiple threads over a few days complaining about the same subject. At some point it is just trolling and spam, not constructive at all.

It is getting ridiculous.

Kwas · June 2014

So the main idea is for sorcs (caster class - just a reminder) not to be able to cast spells, grab heavy armor and sword and board ?

Makes sense ...

Taiminator · June 2014

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

HarryParatestes wrote: »

OP, you should try out VR yourself and see how inferior it actually is compared to Talons. It needs to be aimed, takes about 2 seconds to hit and stun. It spreads enemies apart and does negligible damage. Spamming it is not an exploit, it's a sign of desperation. 30s cooldown is just plain unreasonable. Those irrational demands coupled with your insistence on the same debunked arguments as well calling people childish for disagreeing is the reason you are provoking insults. Textbook trolling

O well .... It's a shame you made a point but still had to place an insult in parenthesis - so close you were too - your first real point

So your saying it's not something that should be spammed as it is useless (I observed otherwise and others have admitted to it as well during this thread)
Despite this you think a nerf is unreasonable

Since you didn't read the posts discussing the cooldown I think 5 to 10 seconds is a good option

Others said greater magicka cost ( I don't like that as it takes it's panic button function away)

Another poster mentioned reducing it to only two (similar to the inhale nerf)

30 sec would be unreasonable not sure if that was an original thought but since the original post this was discussed

I don't know where you see insults or parentheses. Calling you out on your baiting methods is not an insult. Seems like projection kicking in again.

I did read the posts. You said 30s. Even 5 or 10s is ridiculous and you know it. Any cooldown past casting time is ridiculous and would destroy the smoothness of combat. "Useless" are your words. I said inferior compared to Talons. Big difference. It all boils down to you being upset that other classes have access to an AoE CC ability that doesn't even rival yours. Grow up!

Anyways I get that you're sour about the DK adjustments but why be so vindictive and try to ruin the game for others? Balancing is necessary. 10s VR cooldown is not balancing it's destroying a necessary CC ability every other class can rely on in tough situations. I hope you get over yourself and start seeing what's good for the game and all classes, not just yours,

Good job though creating a huge bitching thread over nothing. well played. bye

Stratti · June 2014

Wow
It seems a couple of people are crying that there should be a nerf to a Mage favoured ability

They talk of balance and fairness and don't break my game etc blah blah blah

As nauseam . Maybe they have a point . We should all roll casters because that's what this game is for - casters nothing else plain and simple

Boring.

And don't complain about the thread being here that is pathetic . If you don't like it then don't post in it . Simple

BRING ON THE NERF

NakedSnake · June 2014

I want the OP's next thread to be "Nerf Talons, Impulse and Combat Prayer-Enough Already".
Cooldowns for all, right OP? Do you agree or disagree?

Stratti · June 2014

HarryParatestes wrote: »

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

HarryParatestes wrote: »

OP, you should try out VR yourself and see how inferior it actually is compared to Talons. It needs to be aimed, takes about 2 seconds to hit and stun. It spreads enemies apart and does negligible damage. Spamming it is not an exploit, it's a sign of desperation. 30s cooldown is just plain unreasonable. Those irrational demands coupled with your insistence on the same debunked arguments as well calling people childish for disagreeing is the reason you are provoking insults. Textbook trolling

O well .... It's a shame you made a point but still had to place an insult in parenthesis - so close you were too - your first real point

So your saying it's not something that should be spammed as it is useless (I observed otherwise and others have admitted to it as well during this thread)
Despite this you think a nerf is unreasonable

Since you didn't read the posts discussing the cooldown I think 5 to 10 seconds is a good option

Others said greater magicka cost ( I don't like that as it takes it's panic button function away)

Another poster mentioned reducing it to only two (similar to the inhale nerf)

30 sec would be unreasonable not sure if that was an original thought but since the original post this was discussed

I don't know where you see insults or parentheses. Calling you out on your baiting methods is not an insult. Seems like projection kicking in again.

I did read the posts. You said 30s. Even 5 or 10s is ridiculous and you know it. Any cooldown past casting time is ridiculous and would destroy the smoothness of combat. "Useless" are your words. I said inferior compared to Talons. Big difference. It all boils down to you being upset that other classes have access to an AoE CC ability that doesn't even rival yours. Grow up!

Anyways I get that you're sour about the DK adjustments but why be so vindictive and try to ruin the game for others? Balancing is necessary. 10s VR cooldown is not balancing it's destroying a necessary CC ability every other class can rely on in tough situations. I hope you get over yourself and start seeing what's good for the game and all classes, not just yours,

Good job though creating a huge bitching thread over nothing. well played. bye

With a name like paratestes I am not surprised that you are childish and resorting to personal insults which are against CoC and not called for - time and again I have asked you to stop being rude and insulting - people who operate like you is what has ruined online communication

If someone disagrees with you they are a troll or any other random insult you can muster.

While the other trolls will laugh and agree with you the rest of us will sigh and remember a time when the internet was not like this

The pathetic thing about it is I would bet every dollar I have that in the real world you would be diminutive but hear your act with impunity and do nothing but insult .

I hope you find out why you are so angry and abusive when you don't get your way lest you become a tragic figure we hear about on the news