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DKs get 6th nerfhammer. RIP Non-staff/non-light armor DKs. Dks lack uniqueness that other class has
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Harakh✭✭✭Unicorn with staff?Die Welt in einem Sandkorn sehen
Und den Himmel in einer wilden Blume;
Die Unendlichkeit in der Handfläche halten
Und die Ewigkeit in einer Stunde.0 -
DeLindsay✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hey think of it this way, the more they nerf DK's the more viable all of us NB's will look lol.4 -
monkeymystic✭✭✭✭✭Hey think of it this way, the more they nerf DK's the more viable all of us NB's will look lol.
Yeah that is a great way of thinking...destroy a warrior class that has to use destro/resto and full dress to maintain dps, because you dont want to use destro/resto with your own rogue class and get good dps too......logic?
(check out the dps numbers NBs are pulling off with destro/resto after the latest patch and you will understand...)Edited by monkeymystic on June 5, 2014 5:41PM5 -
Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭monkeymystic wrote: »Hey think of it this way, the more they nerf DK's the more viable all of us NB's will look lol.
Yeah that is a great way of thinking...destroy a warrior class that has to use destro/resto and full dress to maintain dps, because you dont want to use destro/resto with your own rogue class and get good dps too......logic?
(check out the dps numbers NBs are pulling off with destro/resto after the latest patch and you will understand...)
people completely missed what i have been screaming about for near 5 weeks now . the problem is not the classes. its the armor and weapons. the game is completely lopsided favoring magica builds and light armor to an obscene level. ready to give up on this game they completely miss the whole enchilada. this is were the in experience of Zos is showing.8 -
ErykGrimm✭✭✭Wifeaggro13 wrote: »monkeymystic wrote: »Hey think of it this way, the more they nerf DK's the more viable all of us NB's will look lol.
Yeah that is a great way of thinking...destroy a warrior class that has to use destro/resto and full dress to maintain dps, because you dont want to use destro/resto with your own rogue class and get good dps too......logic?
(check out the dps numbers NBs are pulling off with destro/resto after the latest patch and you will understand...)
people completely missed what i have been screaming about for near 5 weeks now . the problem is not the classes. its the armor and weapons. the game is completely lopsided favoring magica builds and light armor to an obscene level. ready to give up on this game they completely miss the whole enchilada. this is were the in experience of Zos is showing.
I could not have said it better.0 -
monkeymystic✭✭✭✭✭Wifeaggro13 wrote: »monkeymystic wrote: »Hey think of it this way, the more they nerf DK's the more viable all of us NB's will look lol.
Yeah that is a great way of thinking...destroy a warrior class that has to use destro/resto and full dress to maintain dps, because you dont want to use destro/resto with your own rogue class and get good dps too......logic?
(check out the dps numbers NBs are pulling off with destro/resto after the latest patch and you will understand...)
people completely missed what i have been screaming about for near 5 weeks now . the problem is not the classes. its the armor and weapons. the game is completely lopsided favoring magica builds and light armor to an obscene level. ready to give up on this game they completely miss the whole enchilada. this is were the in experience of Zos is showing.
This is why I have lost faith in zenimax and their way of balance.
They nerf the wrong things, that negatively affects every other gimp stamina build out there.
This is forcing DKs to use destro/resto and a dress EVEN MORE than before to try to still be viable as a class after all these nerfs.
They don't listen and see how this just makes everything more screwed when DKs are mainly a warrior class that will be forced into robes and staves to not suck completely.7 -
Ragnar_Lodbrok✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wifeaggro13 wrote: »monkeymystic wrote: »Hey think of it this way, the more they nerf DK's the more viable all of us NB's will look lol.
Yeah that is a great way of thinking...destroy a warrior class that has to use destro/resto and full dress to maintain dps, because you dont want to use destro/resto with your own rogue class and get good dps too......logic?
(check out the dps numbers NBs are pulling off with destro/resto after the latest patch and you will understand...)
people completely missed what i have been screaming about for near 5 weeks now . the problem is not the classes. its the armor and weapons. the game is completely lopsided favoring magica builds and light armor to an obscene level. ready to give up on this game they completely miss the whole enchilada. this is were the in experience of Zos is showing.
I agree, a group of monkees could see that LA and staffs are OP3 -
monkeymystic✭✭✭✭✭Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Wifeaggro13 wrote: »monkeymystic wrote: »Hey think of it this way, the more they nerf DK's the more viable all of us NB's will look lol.
Yeah that is a great way of thinking...destroy a warrior class that has to use destro/resto and full dress to maintain dps, because you dont want to use destro/resto with your own rogue class and get good dps too......logic?
(check out the dps numbers NBs are pulling off with destro/resto after the latest patch and you will understand...)
people completely missed what i have been screaming about for near 5 weeks now . the problem is not the classes. its the armor and weapons. the game is completely lopsided favoring magica builds and light armor to an obscene level. ready to give up on this game they completely miss the whole enchilada. this is were the in experience of Zos is showing.
I agree, a group of monkees could see that LA and staffs are OP
A stamina build NB face a DK with a destro/resto build.
NB dies. NB does not want to use destro/resto to take revenge.
So the NB goes to the forums and demand that they nerf DKs.
ZOS responds, and instead of balancing weapons, they nerf every single DK build to the ground, including DKs using mediocre stamina builds.
And now they want to take survivability away too, the last thing DKs got.
Lets all make a poll to remove every unique class factor from the game, shall we? That's real logic right there.
I'm talking cloak, bolt escape, summons, range dps, dispels, group heals, magicka regen, mobility.
If they take away survivability too, then DK's have no unique factors left, that every class is supposed to have, and every other class got.
Edited by monkeymystic on June 5, 2014 6:44PM9 -
Ragnar_Lodbrok✭✭✭✭✭
✭monkeymystic wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Wifeaggro13 wrote: »monkeymystic wrote: »Hey think of it this way, the more they nerf DK's the more viable all of us NB's will look lol.
Yeah that is a great way of thinking...destroy a warrior class that has to use destro/resto and full dress to maintain dps, because you dont want to use destro/resto with your own rogue class and get good dps too......logic?
(check out the dps numbers NBs are pulling off with destro/resto after the latest patch and you will understand...)
people completely missed what i have been screaming about for near 5 weeks now . the problem is not the classes. its the armor and weapons. the game is completely lopsided favoring magica builds and light armor to an obscene level. ready to give up on this game they completely miss the whole enchilada. this is were the in experience of Zos is showing.
I agree, a group of monkees could see that LA and staffs are OP
A stamina build NB face a DK with a destro/resto build.
NB dies. NB does not want to use destro/resto to take revenge.
So the NB goes to the forums and demand that they nerf DKs.
ZOS responds, and instead of balancing weapons, they nerf every single DK build to the ground, including DKs using mediocre stamina builds.
And now they want to take survivability away too, the last thing DKs got.
Lets all make a poll to remove every unique class factor from the game, shall we? That's real logic right there.
I'm talking cloak, bolt escape, summons, range dps, dispels, group heals, magicka regen, mobility.
If they take away survivability too, then DK's have no unique factors left, that every class is supposed to have, and every other class got.
I am astounded by the complete knee jerk nerfing to DKs, I am a 1h & s dk tank that can not play that role due to being nerfed to oblivion.6 -
midnight_tea✭✭✭Why do I have the feeling that the problem lies not in light armor, but in people not wanting to run "in a dress"....?2
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midnight_tea wrote: »Why do I have the feeling that the problem lies not in light armor, but in people not wanting to run "in a dress"....?
I'd wear a skirt if it meant medium armor was as good as light armor.0 -
midnight_tea✭✭✭I actually wear medium armor with my sorc, since I'm a very mobile player. And I deal decent damage as well.2
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I wear it on my NB, but I'd still love it to be as effective as light armormidnight_tea wrote: »I actually wear medium armor with my sorc, since I'm a very mobile player. And I deal decent damage as well.1 -
EvilEmpire✭✭✭Shaun98ca2 wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »I already see people shouting for tanks and tanks saying too bad weve been nerfed too much in zone now, as a tank I agree, weve been destroyed as a viable style.
REALLY....This sounds petty to me. How have tanks been destroyed. Reach soft cap for armor, apply a taunt, apply some survivability your a tank.
Did they take away your tank? Did they take away your soft cap? Did they take away your survivability?
People just need to learn to play the game. This mean not exploiting every single little thing you can. NOT using OP broken build. Maybe play the game the way its intended. CANT figure out how its intended try using a little common sense.
Tanks do low damage and have high survival. If you were playing any other way you were doing it wrong.
You aren't playing a tank, so wtf do you know?
The truth is, unless you're a FoTM DK with a staff and light armor, you aren't *** as a DK. There are plenty of us that played a DK with stamina and hvy armor, often becoming tanks to fill that role, or like me, I played mostly solo in pve, so relied heavily on this until that big patch that destroyed this type of build.
And if I hear one more *** say 'learn to play', when they clearly don't know a *** thing about anything other than their own class, I'm going to scream. Just because you couldn't kill a DK in pvp doesn't mean they're OP and need to be nerfed.
And who the *** are you to tell him he's doing it wrong? What happened to 'play how you want'?
The truth is, tanks are dead. The survivalbility of a tank char is gone. And if you say any different, then you clearly don't play a tank type char so just keep your *** mouth shut about it.11 -
midnight_tea wrote: »Lol, you just have to know what sets to wear (craftable or found).
To an extent. There really isn't a debate on which armor is stronger though, light armor beats all others by a long shot.1 -
Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭EvilEmpire wrote: »Shaun98ca2 wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »I already see people shouting for tanks and tanks saying too bad weve been nerfed too much in zone now, as a tank I agree, weve been destroyed as a viable style.
REALLY....This sounds petty to me. How have tanks been destroyed. Reach soft cap for armor, apply a taunt, apply some survivability your a tank.
Did they take away your tank? Did they take away your soft cap? Did they take away your survivability?
People just need to learn to play the game. This mean not exploiting every single little thing you can. NOT using OP broken build. Maybe play the game the way its intended. CANT figure out how its intended try using a little common sense.
Tanks do low damage and have high survival. If you were playing any other way you were doing it wrong.
You aren't playing a tank, so wtf do you know?
The truth is, unless you're a FoTM DK with a staff and light armor, you aren't *** as a DK. There are plenty of us that played a DK with stamina and hvy armor, often becoming tanks to fill that role, or like me, I played mostly solo in pve, so relied heavily on this until that big patch that destroyed this type of build.
And if I hear one more *** say 'learn to play', when they clearly don't know a *** thing about anything other than their own class, I'm going to scream. Just because you couldn't kill a DK in pvp doesn't mean they're OP and need to be nerfed.
And who the *** are you to tell him he's doing it wrong? What happened to 'play how you want'?
The truth is, tanks are dead. The survivalbility of a tank char is gone. And if you say any different, then you clearly don't play a tank type char so just keep your *** mouth shut about it.
Because non of these pissy kill the dk threads have ever tanked anything in endgame2 -
monkeymystic✭✭✭✭✭Imagine if they took range, mobility and summons away from Sorcerors, and forced them to play in melee.
Or if they took cloak and siphon away from Nightblades.
Or heals and dispels away from Templars.
There would be an outcry.
This is exactly what's happening to DK's now. They are no longer unique as a class, they don't even have range or mobility, and they are about to lose their last straw which is survivability. Then they will sit left with no key factors left, while the other classes can cloak away, blink away and play with summons (1.2), or be a superior healer/dispeller.
Edited by monkeymystic on June 5, 2014 8:33PM6 -
alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭Roll a Sorcerer and go 1h + shield. Crit Surge will give you better survivability/self healing too, as well as all the range benefits, mobility and "escape option" with bolt, or upcoming summons improvements when you want to play around with that too.
There is simply no reason to go DK instead of Sorc anymore, because they are losing all their key factors that every class has (now had).
So do u know how much s*** your full of? Do u know if you would use critical surge too tank u would die? Lol I am a scorc tank and umm scorc don't have too deal with 2 thing DKs do!! One stamina and two having the need to escape. Now let's get another thing Sorted out, tanking with a pet even 1 on your means you lose 1 more defensive slot. You almost have too use light amour I order too be able cast abilities let alone tank. Now were in light amour, toggled skill, have too have a taunt, so now u have a choice for you first bar. Do I want a AoE, a single target damage spell, or shield that can reduce a incoming charge up type of attack for 5** damage reduction. Now let's think! Were in light amour(most of the time) so that means we have 1.8 amour or less. So that shield is defiantly going too want that! So now I'm down too 2 slots, now what should I put their? We either a CC, fighters gilf, or a attack. Now the 2nd bar is agro management, AoE attacks, or absorb magic
For heals. Now stamina based scorc tanks have it so much harder SOOOO much harder cuz they can't cast their class abilities often but can block allot, which dose not add too the group as much as the light amour dose. There is just no place for what you "call" scorc tanking set up. Stop trying too get easy mode and L2P.5 -
SeinSchatten✭✭monkeymystic wrote: »If they take away survivability too, then DK's have no unique factors left, that every class is supposed to have, and every other class got.
The devs are still on the way to balance. With Hybrids it is difficult to balance survivability, dps, hps and support. WoW did it by splitting the skills. You choose your role and automatically some skills are locked from the other roles. Thus a tank has low dps, less heals but good survivability.
Rift has done something similar. Each soul serves a certain role and the higher you go in the soultree, the better skills you unlock for your role.
ESO still need to implement such a strict rule. Until it is implemented the classes will be streamlined. Meaning skills and roles will be equalized. Yes, also your healing and survivability (DK, Templ) will be wrecked.0 -
Alazarz✭✭✭1. Make heavy armor + sword & board viable. Light armor + Staff should not be viable... at all.
2. Add some proper morphs for AOE abilities atleast. Currently (DK) AOEs as a whole are barely AOEs at all. Short range garbage "AOES", yet the mobs in instances for example, are spread out to high heaven.
** Atleast one AOE that has a taunt lock on termination / activation morph.
** Increased range of AOE morph(s). This is the most important. What the hell good is an 4-6m "AOE"?
On a side note; I'm seriously wondering if (atleast) one of the devs has it out for DKs after getting pounded by one in PvP. The nerfs are ridiculous and have nothing to do with balance. If the concern is about balance, then you take a little away and give a little. You know... to "balance" the class and/or usher it into it's intended role. Not just pound the class into a worthless pulp.
Kind Regards,
Alazarz
Edited by Alazarz on June 5, 2014 9:47PM1 -
monkeymystic✭✭✭✭✭Apparently ZOS are stealth nerfing molten whip with a global cooldown as well. This is getting quite stupid and sad ... Would atleast think they learned from the stealth nerf to biting jabs already, which they had to revert.
Meanwhile Nightblades are reporting 2k single target dps after the patch....
Edited by monkeymystic on June 6, 2014 2:26AM6 -
Loco_Mofo✭✭✭✭✭monkeymystic wrote: »Meanwhile Nightblades are reporting 2k single target dps after the patch....
Pics or it didn't happen.5 -
circilion✭✭✭Did I miss the collective cry of the masses? Where was your solidarity when Zenimax embraced the precedent of ninja nerfing the Templar in response to the plague of bots? The player base should have been alarmed and demanded an immediate roll back.
Templars were already the weakest DPS class. Templars are the only class that had their resource mechanic completely stripped away out of Beta. Adding a GCD and increasing magicka cost as a remedy is no remedy, its infuriating!
Your ineffectual cries of delayed dismay in what you could have been part of the solution to resolving should be sobering to endure.
Try and embrace what broken NBs and Templars have had to endure!
Sorcs and DKs, take solace in knowing that you were able to face roll through VR and participate in VR end game content while others suffered the indignity of class imbalance.
OP Sorcs and DKs, your time has come!
Nooooooooo. I'm a sorcerer that has just hit the beginning Vet content.. I never even got to experience the golden age of my class!! =(
half serious, I am a terrible grouper. If I can't solo anymore I'm totally F'd lol
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This thread just has the wrong title so it turned into a pro-DK anti-DK flame war...
title should have been : trying to nerf Magika DK , ZOS heavily nerfs everyone in the process (nerfbat powa)ESO, the great nothing : no PvE difficulty, PvP lags, zero RP tools...
Sub Canceled, gone0 -
I have a NB vet 12 and dk vet 9. I don t like pve and I don t care about it but in pvp my dk is awesome compared of my (snip) nb. NB is a broken class, most of best skill use magicka , use weapon critical but spell damage..... (snip) made this class????!!! no decent self heal, no defence and low dps. It s a pure (snip) .
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]Edited by ZOS_SilviaS on July 11, 2014 12:34AM2
