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What would you like to see if/when ESO goes f2p?
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crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Unsanctified wrote: »Unsanctified wrote: »The only two reasons I would leave ESO are:
1. It goes F2P. Too many jerkoffs join in at that point that don't really give a crap about the game and wouldn't be playing if it weren't free. Not a fun community at that point imho.
2. ZOS ignores its player base and doesn't fix the current issues in a timely manner. I only have so long an attention span...
or 3, I paid $60-80, why should they get it for free....
LOL, 100k die hard players will never be better than 1m no-so-die-hard players.
Yeah, unfortunately that's true, at least from a monetary standpoint.
seriously, if they offers 2-3 months free time, would that change things?0 -
mutharex✭✭✭✭✭Maverick827 wrote: »
SWTOR did not cost anywhere near $500 million.Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »TazerReloaded wrote: »The only people who want ESO to be f2p are 16 year olds who have no bank account yet and think everything in life is free. Zenimax/Bethesda spent around 200 million dollars and several years of development on this project, of course they want some money back.
And $15/month is nothing compared to other activities one can spend so much time with, even other games are more expensive. For an average game you pay $60 and play for 20h, in ESO you can play 100h+ per $15.
SWTOR spent half a billion, and went f2p in 6 months
Correct.Although BioWare has not disclosed development costs, industry leaders and financial analysts have estimated it to be between $150 million and $200 million or more, making it, at the time, the most expensive video game ever made.
Well Destiny with its 500mil is now the most expensive
Shame that being an Activision game at least 300mil will go into marketing0 -
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✭A half a billion dollar video game, eh?
Yeah, they'll get their return on investment with that.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Unsanctified wrote: »
I understand, I just don't think the game can survive on us alone, which is sad.
maybe 3 mos free time plus 5 f2p zones which we can enter, but f2p player cannot get out.0 -
mutharex✭✭✭✭✭A half a billion dollar video game, eh?
Yeah, they'll get their return on investment with that.
If they can get a return from games like CoD where a large part of the budget is advertising, this will make a killing. I'll personally take TESO with all its bugs over games like that, it's got more soul. Just my opinion, of courseEdited by mutharex on June 5, 2014 1:14PM0 -
pretty sure that they have said that if it looks like FTP is the only option they will shut it downI can resist everything except temptation .. Oscar Wilde1 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭marchiggs_707b16_ESO wrote: »pretty sure that they have said that if it looks like FTP is the only option they will shut it down
Quote for this?Crotchety Old Man Guild
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crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
✭marchiggs_707b16_ESO wrote: »pretty sure that they have said that if it looks like FTP is the only option they will shut it down
how is that fair for us who paid hundreds of dollars?
they should at least convert the game to an offline version.1 -
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Concur, but don't think they'd ever do that. More likely, smart folks with the clients already installed would find a way to modify the clients to work as stand-alone games.they should at least convert the game to an offline version.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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. that would be fine by me, but will be a black eye on Beth. Edited by crislevin on June 5, 2014 1:35PM0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Eve online is a very different animal than most MMOs, which I expect most players familiar with the game would agree.
With that, if/when this game adopts a F2P model I would avoid the game unless their is a sub option and F2P is kept behind a pay wall. For what I enjoyed of ToR, I enjoyed it more with F2P players not able to enter the content I was in. Once that wall was down I only pugged with groups that I was familiar with because there were to many people who did not understand mechanics of group play or even their own class builds. I am not talking about players learning, but players who find blissful enjoyment playing a game without a clue of what needs to be done.0 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Eve online is a very different animal than most MMOs, which I expect most players familiar with the game would agree.
With that, if/when this game adopts a F2P model I would avoid the game unless their is a sub option and F2P is kept behind a pay wall. For what I enjoyed of ToR, I enjoyed it more with F2P players not able to enter the content I was in. Once that wall was down I only pugged with groups that I was familiar with because there were to many people who did not understand mechanics of group play or even their own class builds. I am not talking about players learning, but players who find blissful enjoyment playing a game without a clue of what needs to be done.
That, and the SWTOR F2P members also level more slowly, which also might throw off group dynamics.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Lalai✭✭✭✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »
Actually Eve Online hasn't gone f2p and they just hit 11 years.
Also Dark Age of Camelot, hitting 13+ years old is not f2p or p2w- but the poster will conclude they are out of his 5-10 year range. Only 2 known games went F2P- Sw:ToR and War: Online- both horrible games built on hype. Also very bandwaggony games.
Rift, Age of Conan, and Tera also went F2P, however all were also out for a good while before that happened. CoV/CoH also went the F2P route for a bit before closing if I remember right.. Pretty much any MMO that launched in the 5-10 year range has.. so that's at least right. However very very few, if any save for the two you listed, went F2P within the first year.. which is where this thread majorly jumps the gun. Add to that Zeni doesn't seem keen on the F2P idea and I don't see it happening within the next few months.
To add to the list of old games that are still sub based. Ultima Online
Update: After checking, even Warhammer Online was a few years before shutting down, and it looks like the F2P version of the game never officially launched. It got shut down in open beta in 2013. So.. that leaves the only example I can think of where a game went F2P within the first year of it's release to be SWTOR.
Swtor went F2P after 13 months. Therefore not within the first year. You did a great job of checking your facts with Warhammer. You kind of missed it with swtor.
Ah, my bad then. I honestly didn't look up SWTOR. I had subscribed to that one for a full six months and I thought I remembered it going F2P and me getting credits for some of those when the F2P thing launched. Goes to show how faulty memory can be So.. take SWTOR off the list as 13 months is longer than a year. I should probably go fact check TSW too (It went B2P, not complete F2P, in 6 months).
Argument that an MMO isn't likely at all to go F2P within the first year of launch still stands for sure though. Saying that the market is more receptive to F2P so it happens faster when you don't really have any sort of statistics to back that up just kinda doesn't work. (that last statement is not at all towards the person I quoted).
I suppose it's also worth throwing out there that I'd also, in all likelihood, stop playing if the game goes F2P. I have not ever continued to play a game after it went from sub based to a F2P model for more than a few weeks.Edited by Lalai on June 5, 2014 3:05PMFisher extraordinaire!
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Ragnar_Lodbrok✭✭✭✭✭
✭Do you think they would add p2w item sets? They are already nerfing their promise that crafting is for the best gear.1 -
snowmanflvb14_ESO✭✭✭✭How about they never approach it.Magic is impressive but now Minsc leads SWORDS FOR EVERYONE!!1
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snowmanflvb14_ESO✭✭✭✭Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »
Hmm WoW, EQ, POTBS, Eve to name but a few games that have not gone F2P. Granted a game like EQ that has been around 15 years without having to go F2P might fit your idea of an MMO. Since those games are still being published they fit inside the ops 5-10 range. Perhaps he meant launched so as to excluded some of the most highly successful games whose success would run counter to his premise.
Edited by snowmanflvb14_ESO on June 5, 2014 6:50PMMagic is impressive but now Minsc leads SWORDS FOR EVERYONE!!0 -
Tarwin✭✭✭Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »
Only if another mmo comes out that is subscription based to replace the previous subscription based game that replaced ESO after going F2P
I can't afford F2P2 -
snowmanflvb14_ESO✭✭✭✭Maverick827 wrote: »Zenimax's silence on sub numbers says everything that I need to. If they beat SWTOR's (the prior most recent AAA MMO) numbers, then they would have said something.
Actually GW2 is the most recent AAA title not SWTOR. Second they do not need to beat anyones numbers. Look at Eve it has an extremely small pop when compared to a game like SWTOR yet it is considered highly successful while SWTOR is not.Magic is impressive but now Minsc leads SWORDS FOR EVERYONE!!0 -
spinedoc✭✭✭I didn't think ESO would be F2P when I first started playing, but after playing for 2 months my gut feeling is that it will eventually be F2P. With the VR levels, the lack of any solo content in Craglorn, the weird forced soloing then very sudden wall of forced grouping, etc etc. These things just seem like they are scaring the casual player off.
I would bet that the more hardcore players will pay a "gold" sub fee to have everything but the casual players will opt for F2P and buy stuff as they go along, at least that's how it seems to work in other MMO's. To a certain extent it's not ESO's fault, but a lot of it is human nature. Some of us have more time and can spend a lot of it on a MMO, others of us don't have as much time and can only jump on here and there and regardless of content that time allocation translates into value for some of us.0 -
Sakiri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭snowmanflvb14_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »
Hmm WoW, EQ, POTBS, Eve to name but a few games that have not gone F2P. Granted a game like EQ that has been around 15 years without having to go F2P might fit your idea of an MMO. Since those games are still being published they fit inside the ops 5-10 range. Perhaps he meant launched so as to excluded some of the most highly successful games whose success would run counter to his premise.
EQ went f2p in March 2012.1 -
YourNameHere✭✭✭If it does go F2P I will be leaving. I'm tired of such models who end up making it a Pay2Win model.NA Megaserver / RPer
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Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »
Let me correct you.
ALL mmo's have gone free to play that tried to be like WoW or tried to compete with WoW. That said ALL of them were worse than WoW.
Eso is different that is imo what will make it survive.
It does not try to beat the wall of WoW, which was build in 10 years time, down.
Eso will build its own wall. Think about that for a second.
And let me tell you this... angry forum posts that say this game sucks etc wont kill eso... if anybody could kill eso its Zenimax... but i strongly doubt they will since they did a pretty GOOD job so far.
In all fairness dont say otherwise... because if you compare it with the start of other mmos... lets stick with WoW for example you will see my point.
Edit: oh yeah and if eso should go f2p im out.Edited by MrBandicoot on June 5, 2014 11:10PM6 -
It seems that allot of people have decided that if EOS goes f2p, they will quit the game. Now the question is, what would you do, Ragnar_Lodbrok , if/when ESO goes f2p? Will you play all by your lonesome?1 -
atomikrej✭✭I find this whole thread topic a bit distasteful. It adds nothing to the discussion. If the game went ftp with a cash shop, I, like all the others who responded would stop playing. From past experiences I know that such games would end up costing more in the longerm than any sub based game.
BTW I've seen a few posts that EVE online is a example of a successful sub model. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't their PLEX system allow you to buy in game gold for money, thus being the very definition of P2W. Sure it's sub based but you can also pay money to gain advantage. Also in that game you have to pay 2 subs if you want to level 2 characters.3
