ESO - The new type of MMORPG

Ser Lobo · June 2014

I personally don't understand the dislike for a quest-driven MMO. Of course I'm the type of player who loves quests and storyline, and have often felt like a red-headed step-child in other MMO's because it was easier and more efficient to grind content, either by setting up an auto-macro for killing mobs or doing the same dungeon repetitively.

Again, personal opinion, but repetitive tasks bore me to no end, so I'm actually kind of hateful to grinding. I don't even play asian MMO's and RPG's anymore because that is one of their primary characteristics.

I work, and grinding comes far too close to it for my tastes.

Of course, this means I love ESO and can't see why others want to work so much. It's a biased view. I wouldn't even mind if grinding (either though single mob or dungeoneering) was boosted, as long as it in no way came close to quest loot. I do not want to feel pressured to turn on a macro or mind-numb out on repetitive add farming because they are simply easier to do than listening to a story. And I will, if they are.

Luckily for me, Craglorn payed me very small dividends for my time. Thus I went back to questing, cause it leveled faster.

Dealdrick · June 2014

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

I was happy with the game at one point as well. People who are happy with a product generally do not talk about that product or the related happiness unless someone asks them specifically.

These forums are full of doom and gloom. People have strong negative feelings because they DO care about the product. People come here to vent, list things broke/incomplete/broke/unbalanced/broke/bugged about the game. Generally those are done in a manner that is constructive, it is when the TESO monkey pops in to argue that there is nothing wrong with whatever point you are attempting to make or state how great the game is, that is when the contention begins.

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

I often feel required to post positive opinions, even though I have my disagreements, too.

The reason I do, is because I was an active forum member through Star Wars Galaxies and it's Combat Upgrade, and New Game Enhancements. These two features wrecked the game entirely.

I witnessed many forum posters pop online and ask for rather insignificant or obviously rediculous changes. "There are too many options." "Classes are easier to balance." "The damage is too strong for melee." "Jedi are too rare."

Seemingly innocent, until SOE (spit on their building) was literally forced to act on them by their primary party. And thus, a truly unique and wonderful game was ruined completely.

I almost feel that if I stand by and let that type of hate and negative commiseration build up again, I'll lose another beloved franchise. In this game, and in others I play. I support developer vision above player vision every time (even in my own love of housing). I support fixes over changes every time.

It's not always how I would prefer it done, I agree. And I've made more than my fair share of suggestions. But I still feel like I need to put a little positive in now and again.

Skewing your public view in order to counter-balance the other side would be the single biggest issue with the US government. Both sides are too afraid of being honest, thusly, they are "outraged" and anything that can be perceived as counter to their views.

Trust has been, and always will be, the most important part of communication. Trust won't exist if everyone is either "outraged" or "faux exstatic." Call me old fashioned, but if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....

Mablung · June 2014

Talmet wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

You are not in charge of the world.

And herein lies the true problem....

Talmet · June 2014

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

I was happy with the game at one point as well. People who are happy with a product generally do not talk about that product or the related happiness unless someone asks them specifically.

These forums are full of doom and gloom. People have strong negative feelings because they DO care about the product. People come here to vent, list things broke/incomplete/broke/unbalanced/broke/bugged about the game. Generally those are done in a manner that is constructive, it is when the TESO monkey pops in to argue that there is nothing wrong with whatever point you are attempting to make or state how great the game is, that is when the contention begins.

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

I often feel required to post positive opinions, even though I have my disagreements, too.

The reason I do, is because I was an active forum member through Star Wars Galaxies and it's Combat Upgrade, and New Game Enhancements. These two features wrecked the game entirely.

I witnessed many forum posters pop online and ask for rather insignificant or obviously rediculous changes. "There are too many options." "Classes are easier to balance." "The damage is too strong for melee." "Jedi are too rare."

Seemingly innocent, until SOE (spit on their building) was literally forced to act on them by their primary party. And thus, a truly unique and wonderful game was ruined completely.

I almost feel that if I stand by and let that type of hate and negative commiseration build up again, I'll lose another beloved franchise. In this game, and in others I play. I support developer vision above player vision every time (even in my own love of housing). I support fixes over changes every time.

It's not always how I would prefer it done, I agree. And I've made more than my fair share of suggestions. But I still feel like I need to put a little positive in now and again.

Completely agree & I felt the same way through SWG.

Mostly, I feel compelled to correct people on the forums when they make completely incorrect posts...

i.e. In one of the many many NB threads, there are people claiming that boosts to max magicka and/or spellpower will ONLY help casters. Stating something like that, just proves that you don't know how abilities in this game scale. Unfortunately, low information players might read those posts & believe that they are true...things like that may result in a tipping point, where even though it is false, enough players believe that it's true that ZOS is forced to change the game to make up for the completely incorrect belief.

or the "stamina doesn't increase light/heavy attack damage" false belief that started in beta, has been disproved multiple multiple times, is clearly stated to be false on the in game tooltip for stamina...but some people still claim it is true.

Ser Lobo · June 2014

Mablung wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

I was happy with the game at one point as well. People who are happy with a product generally do not talk about that product or the related happiness unless someone asks them specifically.

These forums are full of doom and gloom. People have strong negative feelings because they DO care about the product. People come here to vent, list things broke/incomplete/broke/unbalanced/broke/bugged about the game. Generally those are done in a manner that is constructive, it is when the TESO monkey pops in to argue that there is nothing wrong with whatever point you are attempting to make or state how great the game is, that is when the contention begins.

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

I often feel required to post positive opinions, even though I have my disagreements, too.

The reason I do, is because I was an active forum member through Star Wars Galaxies and it's Combat Upgrade, and New Game Enhancements. These two features wrecked the game entirely.

I witnessed many forum posters pop online and ask for rather insignificant or obviously rediculous changes. "There are too many options." "Classes are easier to balance." "The damage is too strong for melee." "Jedi are too rare."

Seemingly innocent, until SOE (spit on their building) was literally forced to act on them by their primary party. And thus, a truly unique and wonderful game was ruined completely.

I almost feel that if I stand by and let that type of hate and negative commiseration build up again, I'll lose another beloved franchise. In this game, and in others I play. I support developer vision above player vision every time (even in my own love of housing). I support fixes over changes every time.

It's not always how I would prefer it done, I agree. And I've made more than my fair share of suggestions. But I still feel like I need to put a little positive in now and again.

I was there for SWG. I was not active on the forums, they were a wreck even by this comparison.

I think your view of being positive is just as counterproductive as the extreme view of stating something needs fixed/changed when it does not necessarily. Placing complete trust in developers is naive. Developers are not game making gods and more often than not, make huge mistakes. Look at SWG as a perfect example.

Being positive to combat negative posts is one thing. Being blind about how a game is actually performing and wanting to silence the overwhelming majority of people who feel that this game is lackluster is just as bad as what players did in SWG.

Complete trust? Never. But I firmly believe in a developers right to choose how a game is designed and it's focus. Just as I firmly believe in my right to not play a game that I don't agree with the developers design and focus.

I'm a subscriber, not an investor. The game is made, not to my specifications because I pay them $15 a month, but to their specifications because that is their job and their profession. And often, their dream. So I pay them $15 a month to play in their world, as they see fit.

I will happily make SUGGESTIONS, but the key point of a suggestion is that it is capable of being followed, or rejected. I often make suggestions. But if ESO never makes player housing, despite how much I would like it, I will feel it's entirely their choice to choose that.

Many players don't make suggestions. They give orders. They make threats. They make negligent claims and dictate doom and gloom. Or else.

Honestly, I just feel that type of behavior, in real life and in these types of forums, is a sign of immature minds. And I am the type of person who will tell someone to their face that they are being irrational or disrespectful.

Luckily I'm a large guy with very outgoing physical hobbies and a rather masculine profession. To my face, few people do anything more than get quiet and apologize.

Online? Meh, most don't even care to hear someone disagree.

Talmet · June 2014

Mablung wrote: »

Talmet wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

You are not in charge of the world.

And herein lies the true problem....

not trying to be offensive...but after reading a few of your posts, I gotta say that that is not the problem. That is perhaps one of the very few things that is keeping the world from destroying itself.

Mablung wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

I was happy with the game at one point as well. People who are happy with a product generally do not talk about that product or the related happiness unless someone asks them specifically.

These forums are full of doom and gloom. People have strong negative feelings because they DO care about the product. People come here to vent, list things broke/incomplete/broke/unbalanced/broke/bugged about the game. Generally those are done in a manner that is constructive, it is when the TESO monkey pops in to argue that there is nothing wrong with whatever point you are attempting to make or state how great the game is, that is when the contention begins.

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

I often feel required to post positive opinions, even though I have my disagreements, too.

The reason I do, is because I was an active forum member through Star Wars Galaxies and it's Combat Upgrade, and New Game Enhancements. These two features wrecked the game entirely.

I witnessed many forum posters pop online and ask for rather insignificant or obviously rediculous changes. "There are too many options." "Classes are easier to balance." "The damage is too strong for melee." "Jedi are too rare."

Seemingly innocent, until SOE (spit on their building) was literally forced to act on them by their primary party. And thus, a truly unique and wonderful game was ruined completely.

I almost feel that if I stand by and let that type of hate and negative commiseration build up again, I'll lose another beloved franchise. In this game, and in others I play. I support developer vision above player vision every time (even in my own love of housing). I support fixes over changes every time.

It's not always how I would prefer it done, I agree. And I've made more than my fair share of suggestions. But I still feel like I need to put a little positive in now and again.

I was there for SWG. I was not active on the forums, they were a wreck even by this comparison.

I think your view of being positive is just as counterproductive as the extreme view of stating something needs fixed/changed when it does not necessarily. Placing complete trust in developers is naive. Developers are not game making gods and more often than not, make huge mistakes. Look at SWG as a perfect example.

Being positive to combat negative posts is one thing. Being blind about how a game is actually performing and wanting to silence the overwhelming majority of people who feel that this game is lackluster is just as bad as what players did in SWG.

He never said he wanted to silence people. The only person who claimed they wanted other people to not post and be quiet is.....YOU.

Mablung wrote: »

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

*bold & underline added by me to show where you told people who disagreed with you to be quiet.

Mablung · June 2014

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Luckily I'm a large guy with very outgoing physical hobbies and a rather masculine profession. To my face, few people do anything more than get quiet and apologize.

I was with you until this...now all credibility is lost.

Cogo · June 2014

Hey guys, please keep to the subject. Personal attacks never really done much good.

Ser Lobo · June 2014

Talmet wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

I was happy with the game at one point as well. People who are happy with a product generally do not talk about that product or the related happiness unless someone asks them specifically.

These forums are full of doom and gloom. People have strong negative feelings because they DO care about the product. People come here to vent, list things broke/incomplete/broke/unbalanced/broke/bugged about the game. Generally those are done in a manner that is constructive, it is when the TESO monkey pops in to argue that there is nothing wrong with whatever point you are attempting to make or state how great the game is, that is when the contention begins.

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

I often feel required to post positive opinions, even though I have my disagreements, too.

The reason I do, is because I was an active forum member through Star Wars Galaxies and it's Combat Upgrade, and New Game Enhancements. These two features wrecked the game entirely.

I witnessed many forum posters pop online and ask for rather insignificant or obviously rediculous changes. "There are too many options." "Classes are easier to balance." "The damage is too strong for melee." "Jedi are too rare."

Seemingly innocent, until SOE (spit on their building) was literally forced to act on them by their primary party. And thus, a truly unique and wonderful game was ruined completely.

I almost feel that if I stand by and let that type of hate and negative commiseration build up again, I'll lose another beloved franchise. In this game, and in others I play. I support developer vision above player vision every time (even in my own love of housing). I support fixes over changes every time.

It's not always how I would prefer it done, I agree. And I've made more than my fair share of suggestions. But I still feel like I need to put a little positive in now and again.

Completely agree & I felt the same way through SWG.

Mostly, I feel compelled to correct people on the forums when they make completely incorrect posts...

i.e. In one of the many many NB threads, there are people claiming that boosts to max magicka and/or spellpower will ONLY help casters. Stating something like that, just proves that you don't know how abilities in this game scale. Unfortunately, low information players might read those posts & believe that they are true...things like that may result in a tipping point, where even though it is false, enough players believe that it's true that ZOS is forced to change the game to make up for the completely incorrect belief.

or the "stamina doesn't increase light/heavy attack damage" false belief that started in beta, has been disproved multiple multiple times, is clearly stated to be false on the in game tooltip for stamina...but some people still claim it is true.

Want proof? Make a post that templars are the favored class of developers and that the devs are sinking DKs because they all play templars. Word it in the right way (public relations was an old job of mine, and ANYTHING can be made to sound positive), post against it with another account you own that sounds dumber than rocks, and by tomorrow, players will be repeating your false claims in other posts.

Some people will believe anything, especially if you follow a couple easy rules: make the other side look like unlikable idiots; draw the connection that anybody who disagrees with you is siding with unlikable idiots; give them something dramatic and 'secretive' to let them feel like they figured something out they weren't supposed to; agree with them publicly when they post it elsewhere.

Or, what, you think this is my only forum handle?

Mablung · June 2014

Talmet wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Talmet wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

You are not in charge of the world.

And herein lies the true problem....

not trying to be offensive...but after reading a few of your posts, I gotta say that that is not the problem. That is perhaps one of the very few things that is keeping the world from destroying itself.

Mablung wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

I was happy with the game at one point as well. People who are happy with a product generally do not talk about that product or the related happiness unless someone asks them specifically.

These forums are full of doom and gloom. People have strong negative feelings because they DO care about the product. People come here to vent, list things broke/incomplete/broke/unbalanced/broke/bugged about the game. Generally those are done in a manner that is constructive, it is when the TESO monkey pops in to argue that there is nothing wrong with whatever point you are attempting to make or state how great the game is, that is when the contention begins.

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

I often feel required to post positive opinions, even though I have my disagreements, too.

The reason I do, is because I was an active forum member through Star Wars Galaxies and it's Combat Upgrade, and New Game Enhancements. These two features wrecked the game entirely.

I witnessed many forum posters pop online and ask for rather insignificant or obviously rediculous changes. "There are too many options." "Classes are easier to balance." "The damage is too strong for melee." "Jedi are too rare."

Seemingly innocent, until SOE (spit on their building) was literally forced to act on them by their primary party. And thus, a truly unique and wonderful game was ruined completely.

I almost feel that if I stand by and let that type of hate and negative commiseration build up again, I'll lose another beloved franchise. In this game, and in others I play. I support developer vision above player vision every time (even in my own love of housing). I support fixes over changes every time.

It's not always how I would prefer it done, I agree. And I've made more than my fair share of suggestions. But I still feel like I need to put a little positive in now and again.

I was there for SWG. I was not active on the forums, they were a wreck even by this comparison.

I think your view of being positive is just as counterproductive as the extreme view of stating something needs fixed/changed when it does not necessarily. Placing complete trust in developers is naive. Developers are not game making gods and more often than not, make huge mistakes. Look at SWG as a perfect example.

Being positive to combat negative posts is one thing. Being blind about how a game is actually performing and wanting to silence the overwhelming majority of people who feel that this game is lackluster is just as bad as what players did in SWG.

He never said he wanted to silence people. The only person who claimed they wanted other people to not post and be quiet is.....YOU.

Mablung wrote: »

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

*bold & underline added by me to show where you told people who disagreed with you to be quiet.

Silence in its use here is figurative. I understand that reading comprehension might not be a strong point with you. Had I believed he wanted people to stop posting, I would have stated such. Just like I did earlier.

Oh brother. You had to go grab what I said? Really? I never denied it and now I have to edit my post to say, I never denied what I said. I do not understand why you happy campers are here posting how happy you are versus playing your happy game?

Ser Lobo · June 2014

Mablung wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Luckily I'm a large guy with very outgoing physical hobbies and a rather masculine profession. To my face, few people do anything more than get quiet and apologize.

I was with you until this...now all credibility is lost.

Most people know that little people can't be 'honest' with others because they'll be picked on or discounted. I was once very small, and had this issue alot. I really kinda felt like I was required to clarify who I was, in real life, to put any suspicion that I might be lying about being straightforward to rest.

And I am proud of who I am and what I've built out of myself. If I was also wealthy, I'd probably brag about that, but really I'm dirt poor. Butchers don't pay alot in my community.

Mablung · June 2014

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Luckily I'm a large guy with very outgoing physical hobbies and a rather masculine profession. To my face, few people do anything more than get quiet and apologize.

I was with you until this...now all credibility is lost.

Most people know that little people can't be 'honest' with others because they'll be picked on or discounted. I was once very small, and had this issue alot. I really kinda felt like I was required to clarify who I was, in real life, to put any suspicion that I might be lying about being straightforward to rest.

And I am proud of who I am and what I've built out of myself. If I was also wealthy, I'd probably brag about that, but really I'm dirt poor. Butchers don't pay alot in my community.

Since we are being honest...I am a big fella as well but have never used my size to intimidate people into agreeing with me or to shut up because that is what I want.

The internet however is a completely different world compared to the real world. Anonymity here provides anyone to be anyone and to say whatever it is they are thinking, right or wrong. Sometimes, I like to say things like 'stop posting' because I would never attempt to silence someone irl. People carry guns now and size matters not to a bullet.

Cogo · June 2014

Mablung wrote: »

Silence in its use here is figurative. I understand that reading comprehension might not be a strong point with you. Had I believed he wanted people to stop posting, I would have stated such. Just like I did earlier.

If you mean my post was meant for others to stop posting? Then my english must be horrible, because nowhere did I make any sort of that statement.

If anything, I made myself a target for those who dont agree with me.

But, I wanted to post my view. And everyone is free to answers whatever they like about it.

If anyone got the feeling that my post was to "silence" anything, I failed, because I wanted to express my view and get others view as well.

Talmet · June 2014

Mablung wrote: »

Talmet wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Talmet wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

You are not in charge of the world.

And herein lies the true problem....

not trying to be offensive...but after reading a few of your posts, I gotta say that that is not the problem. That is perhaps one of the very few things that is keeping the world from destroying itself.

Mablung wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

I was happy with the game at one point as well. People who are happy with a product generally do not talk about that product or the related happiness unless someone asks them specifically.

These forums are full of doom and gloom. People have strong negative feelings because they DO care about the product. People come here to vent, list things broke/incomplete/broke/unbalanced/broke/bugged about the game. Generally those are done in a manner that is constructive, it is when the TESO monkey pops in to argue that there is nothing wrong with whatever point you are attempting to make or state how great the game is, that is when the contention begins.

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

I often feel required to post positive opinions, even though I have my disagreements, too.

The reason I do, is because I was an active forum member through Star Wars Galaxies and it's Combat Upgrade, and New Game Enhancements. These two features wrecked the game entirely.

I witnessed many forum posters pop online and ask for rather insignificant or obviously rediculous changes. "There are too many options." "Classes are easier to balance." "The damage is too strong for melee." "Jedi are too rare."

Seemingly innocent, until SOE (spit on their building) was literally forced to act on them by their primary party. And thus, a truly unique and wonderful game was ruined completely.

I almost feel that if I stand by and let that type of hate and negative commiseration build up again, I'll lose another beloved franchise. In this game, and in others I play. I support developer vision above player vision every time (even in my own love of housing). I support fixes over changes every time.

It's not always how I would prefer it done, I agree. And I've made more than my fair share of suggestions. But I still feel like I need to put a little positive in now and again.

I was there for SWG. I was not active on the forums, they were a wreck even by this comparison.

I think your view of being positive is just as counterproductive as the extreme view of stating something needs fixed/changed when it does not necessarily. Placing complete trust in developers is naive. Developers are not game making gods and more often than not, make huge mistakes. Look at SWG as a perfect example.

Being positive to combat negative posts is one thing. Being blind about how a game is actually performing and wanting to silence the overwhelming majority of people who feel that this game is lackluster is just as bad as what players did in SWG.

He never said he wanted to silence people. The only person who claimed they wanted other people to not post and be quiet is.....YOU.

Mablung wrote: »

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

*bold & underline added by me to show where you told people who disagreed with you to be quiet.

Silence in its use here is figurative. I understand that reading comprehension might not be a strong point with you. Had I believed he wanted people to stop posting, I would have stated such. Just like I did earlier.

Oh brother. You had to go grab what I said? Really? I never denied it and now I have to edit my post to say, I never denied what I said. I do not understand why you happy campers are here posting how happy you are versus playing your happy game?

It's called a job son. I'm working (well, I'm at work taking a break with a cup of coffee, reading forum posts before getting back to work.).

This is a forum...telling someone to be silent on a forum, is telling them not to post. Accusing someone of wanting other people to be silent on a forum, is accusing them of wanting other people to not post.

In none of his posts did he ever approach the idea that he wanted other people to not post. All he said was that he felt compelled to give positive feedback to counterbalance the negative feedback....that is not even remotely the same as wanting to silence the negative feedback.

And yeah...I quoted what you said. I never claimed that you did deny it. I simply provided proof for what I said.

Mablung · June 2014

Cogo wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Silence in its use here is figurative. I understand that reading comprehension might not be a strong point with you. Had I believed he wanted people to stop posting, I would have stated such. Just like I did earlier.

If you mean my post was meant for others to stop posting? Then my english must be horrible, because nowhere did I make any sort of that statement.

If anything, I made myself a target for those who dont agree with me.

But, I wanted to post my view. And everyone is free to answers whatever they like about it.

If anyone got the feeling that my post was to "silence" anything, I failed, because I wanted to express my view and get others view as well.

No that is not what I meant in relation to your post. The quote you used of me was in response to someone elses post.

Mablung · June 2014

Talmet wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Talmet wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Talmet wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

You are not in charge of the world.

And herein lies the true problem....

not trying to be offensive...but after reading a few of your posts, I gotta say that that is not the problem. That is perhaps one of the very few things that is keeping the world from destroying itself.

Mablung wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

I was happy with the game at one point as well. People who are happy with a product generally do not talk about that product or the related happiness unless someone asks them specifically.

These forums are full of doom and gloom. People have strong negative feelings because they DO care about the product. People come here to vent, list things broke/incomplete/broke/unbalanced/broke/bugged about the game. Generally those are done in a manner that is constructive, it is when the TESO monkey pops in to argue that there is nothing wrong with whatever point you are attempting to make or state how great the game is, that is when the contention begins.

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

I often feel required to post positive opinions, even though I have my disagreements, too.

The reason I do, is because I was an active forum member through Star Wars Galaxies and it's Combat Upgrade, and New Game Enhancements. These two features wrecked the game entirely.

I witnessed many forum posters pop online and ask for rather insignificant or obviously rediculous changes. "There are too many options." "Classes are easier to balance." "The damage is too strong for melee." "Jedi are too rare."

Seemingly innocent, until SOE (spit on their building) was literally forced to act on them by their primary party. And thus, a truly unique and wonderful game was ruined completely.

I almost feel that if I stand by and let that type of hate and negative commiseration build up again, I'll lose another beloved franchise. In this game, and in others I play. I support developer vision above player vision every time (even in my own love of housing). I support fixes over changes every time.

It's not always how I would prefer it done, I agree. And I've made more than my fair share of suggestions. But I still feel like I need to put a little positive in now and again.

I was there for SWG. I was not active on the forums, they were a wreck even by this comparison.

I think your view of being positive is just as counterproductive as the extreme view of stating something needs fixed/changed when it does not necessarily. Placing complete trust in developers is naive. Developers are not game making gods and more often than not, make huge mistakes. Look at SWG as a perfect example.

Being positive to combat negative posts is one thing. Being blind about how a game is actually performing and wanting to silence the overwhelming majority of people who feel that this game is lackluster is just as bad as what players did in SWG.

He never said he wanted to silence people. The only person who claimed they wanted other people to not post and be quiet is.....YOU.

Mablung wrote: »

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

*bold & underline added by me to show where you told people who disagreed with you to be quiet.

Silence in its use here is figurative. I understand that reading comprehension might not be a strong point with you. Had I believed he wanted people to stop posting, I would have stated such. Just like I did earlier.

Oh brother. You had to go grab what I said? Really? I never denied it and now I have to edit my post to say, I never denied what I said. I do not understand why you happy campers are here posting how happy you are versus playing your happy game?

It's called a job son. I'm working (well, I'm at work taking a break with a cup of coffee, reading forum posts before getting back to work.).

This is a forum...telling someone to be silent on a forum, is telling them not to post. Accusing someone of wanting other people to be silent on a forum, is accusing them of wanting other people to not post.

In none of his posts did he ever approach the idea that he wanted other people to not post. All he said was that he felt compelled to give positive feedback to counterbalance the negative feedback....that is not even remotely the same as wanting to silence the negative feedback.

And yeah...I quoted what you said. I never claimed that you did deny it. I simply provided proof for what I said.

Stop posting. No one is reading your raving madness any longer.

Talmet · June 2014

Mablung wrote: »

Talmet wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Talmet wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Talmet wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

You are not in charge of the world.

And herein lies the true problem....

not trying to be offensive...but after reading a few of your posts, I gotta say that that is not the problem. That is perhaps one of the very few things that is keeping the world from destroying itself.

Mablung wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

I was happy with the game at one point as well. People who are happy with a product generally do not talk about that product or the related happiness unless someone asks them specifically.

These forums are full of doom and gloom. People have strong negative feelings because they DO care about the product. People come here to vent, list things broke/incomplete/broke/unbalanced/broke/bugged about the game. Generally those are done in a manner that is constructive, it is when the TESO monkey pops in to argue that there is nothing wrong with whatever point you are attempting to make or state how great the game is, that is when the contention begins.

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

I often feel required to post positive opinions, even though I have my disagreements, too.

The reason I do, is because I was an active forum member through Star Wars Galaxies and it's Combat Upgrade, and New Game Enhancements. These two features wrecked the game entirely.

I witnessed many forum posters pop online and ask for rather insignificant or obviously rediculous changes. "There are too many options." "Classes are easier to balance." "The damage is too strong for melee." "Jedi are too rare."

Seemingly innocent, until SOE (spit on their building) was literally forced to act on them by their primary party. And thus, a truly unique and wonderful game was ruined completely.

I almost feel that if I stand by and let that type of hate and negative commiseration build up again, I'll lose another beloved franchise. In this game, and in others I play. I support developer vision above player vision every time (even in my own love of housing). I support fixes over changes every time.

It's not always how I would prefer it done, I agree. And I've made more than my fair share of suggestions. But I still feel like I need to put a little positive in now and again.

I was there for SWG. I was not active on the forums, they were a wreck even by this comparison.

I think your view of being positive is just as counterproductive as the extreme view of stating something needs fixed/changed when it does not necessarily. Placing complete trust in developers is naive. Developers are not game making gods and more often than not, make huge mistakes. Look at SWG as a perfect example.

Being positive to combat negative posts is one thing. Being blind about how a game is actually performing and wanting to silence the overwhelming majority of people who feel that this game is lackluster is just as bad as what players did in SWG.

He never said he wanted to silence people. The only person who claimed they wanted other people to not post and be quiet is.....YOU.

Mablung wrote: »

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

*bold & underline added by me to show where you told people who disagreed with you to be quiet.

Silence in its use here is figurative. I understand that reading comprehension might not be a strong point with you. Had I believed he wanted people to stop posting, I would have stated such. Just like I did earlier.

Oh brother. You had to go grab what I said? Really? I never denied it and now I have to edit my post to say, I never denied what I said. I do not understand why you happy campers are here posting how happy you are versus playing your happy game?

It's called a job son. I'm working (well, I'm at work taking a break with a cup of coffee, reading forum posts before getting back to work.).

This is a forum...telling someone to be silent on a forum, is telling them not to post. Accusing someone of wanting other people to be silent on a forum, is accusing them of wanting other people to not post.

In none of his posts did he ever approach the idea that he wanted other people to not post. All he said was that he felt compelled to give positive feedback to counterbalance the negative feedback....that is not even remotely the same as wanting to silence the negative feedback.

And yeah...I quoted what you said. I never claimed that you did deny it. I simply provided proof for what I said.

Stop posting. No one is reading your raving madness any longer.

HAHA! Once again you tell other people to stop posting on the forums....you just can't stop it can you....

Stratti · June 2014

I agree with the OP except the balance is out too far skewed toward casters to the point of being bad for the game . If they fix that they have my vote

Ser Lobo · June 2014

Mablung wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Luckily I'm a large guy with very outgoing physical hobbies and a rather masculine profession. To my face, few people do anything more than get quiet and apologize.

I was with you until this...now all credibility is lost.

Most people know that little people can't be 'honest' with others because they'll be picked on or discounted. I was once very small, and had this issue alot. I really kinda felt like I was required to clarify who I was, in real life, to put any suspicion that I might be lying about being straightforward to rest.

And I am proud of who I am and what I've built out of myself. If I was also wealthy, I'd probably brag about that, but really I'm dirt poor. Butchers don't pay alot in my community.

Since we are being honest...I am a big fella as well but have never used my size to intimidate people into agreeing with me or to shut up because that is what I want.

The internet however is a completely different world compared to the real world. Anonymity here provides anyone to be anyone and to say whatever it is they are thinking, right or wrong. Sometimes, I like to say things like 'stop posting' because I would never attempt to silence someone irl. People carry guns now and size matters not to a bullet.

That anonymity is a positive and a negative. Positive, as it allows freedom to speak and act, to pursue what you enjoy or protect ideals you like. Negative, because many people want the freedom to take from others and destroy what others have. In our case here, the freedom to take the enjoyment others may have in a game's design or principles, and to destroy the things they most enjoy about that game or game world.

I'm of course exercising my freedom to protect a game which I enjoy, but in the same breath, am I also taking something from you? Fighting a change that you might want (let's say, auction house) or a concept you feel would make you happy (revamping nightblades completely)? I don't know, but it's probably both.

I know I don't *intend* harm to others, but in fighting to keep a quest-driven game, I am preventing others from having that grind-driven game they so enjoy.

As far as intimidating, its a sad state. Some people see a person who served in the military, works a hard manual labor job, enjoys sports and lifts weight, and they think he wants to hurt others. Some see that same person as someone trying to make themselves less a target.

Sure, bullets do matter. But not letting yourself get shot ... that's still possible too.

Ser Lobo · June 2014

Mablung wrote: »

Talmet wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Talmet wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Talmet wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

You are not in charge of the world.

And herein lies the true problem....

not trying to be offensive...but after reading a few of your posts, I gotta say that that is not the problem. That is perhaps one of the very few things that is keeping the world from destroying itself.

Mablung wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

I was happy with the game at one point as well. People who are happy with a product generally do not talk about that product or the related happiness unless someone asks them specifically.

These forums are full of doom and gloom. People have strong negative feelings because they DO care about the product. People come here to vent, list things broke/incomplete/broke/unbalanced/broke/bugged about the game. Generally those are done in a manner that is constructive, it is when the TESO monkey pops in to argue that there is nothing wrong with whatever point you are attempting to make or state how great the game is, that is when the contention begins.

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

I often feel required to post positive opinions, even though I have my disagreements, too.

The reason I do, is because I was an active forum member through Star Wars Galaxies and it's Combat Upgrade, and New Game Enhancements. These two features wrecked the game entirely.

I witnessed many forum posters pop online and ask for rather insignificant or obviously rediculous changes. "There are too many options." "Classes are easier to balance." "The damage is too strong for melee." "Jedi are too rare."

Seemingly innocent, until SOE (spit on their building) was literally forced to act on them by their primary party. And thus, a truly unique and wonderful game was ruined completely.

I almost feel that if I stand by and let that type of hate and negative commiseration build up again, I'll lose another beloved franchise. In this game, and in others I play. I support developer vision above player vision every time (even in my own love of housing). I support fixes over changes every time.

It's not always how I would prefer it done, I agree. And I've made more than my fair share of suggestions. But I still feel like I need to put a little positive in now and again.

I was there for SWG. I was not active on the forums, they were a wreck even by this comparison.

I think your view of being positive is just as counterproductive as the extreme view of stating something needs fixed/changed when it does not necessarily. Placing complete trust in developers is naive. Developers are not game making gods and more often than not, make huge mistakes. Look at SWG as a perfect example.

Being positive to combat negative posts is one thing. Being blind about how a game is actually performing and wanting to silence the overwhelming majority of people who feel that this game is lackluster is just as bad as what players did in SWG.

He never said he wanted to silence people. The only person who claimed they wanted other people to not post and be quiet is.....YOU.

Mablung wrote: »

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

*bold & underline added by me to show where you told people who disagreed with you to be quiet.

Silence in its use here is figurative. I understand that reading comprehension might not be a strong point with you. Had I believed he wanted people to stop posting, I would have stated such. Just like I did earlier.

Oh brother. You had to go grab what I said? Really? I never denied it and now I have to edit my post to say, I never denied what I said. I do not understand why you happy campers are here posting how happy you are versus playing your happy game?

It's called a job son. I'm working (well, I'm at work taking a break with a cup of coffee, reading forum posts before getting back to work.).

This is a forum...telling someone to be silent on a forum, is telling them not to post. Accusing someone of wanting other people to be silent on a forum, is accusing them of wanting other people to not post.

In none of his posts did he ever approach the idea that he wanted other people to not post. All he said was that he felt compelled to give positive feedback to counterbalance the negative feedback....that is not even remotely the same as wanting to silence the negative feedback.

And yeah...I quoted what you said. I never claimed that you did deny it. I simply provided proof for what I said.

Stop posting. No one is reading your raving madness any longer.

I'm reading his posts. And of course, since he seems to be on my side, I agree wholeheartedly.

I think. Not entirely sure yet. But I'll hit the agree button. And probably use the report function, too. Nah, too many smilies to take anything serious.

Khivas_Carrick · June 2014

Cogo wrote: »

HI everyone and I'd like to express this thread towards everyone and Zenimax as well.

I have experience from most MMOs since early MuDs, the first giant Everquest, many years through WoW and others which are to many to mention here.

I have followed the progress around ESO for over a year before the release, and my hopes where if only half of what was promised, was delivered, I would be very interested in ESO. ESO exceeded my expectations by creating the game they marketed.

ESO is what was promised, and have broken new ground in creating a new type of MMO, with an experience as player you do not get anywhere else. The player choose their destiny, whatever that may be. The choice is yours in about everything. Your choices even have different effects on you and the game depending on what you choose.

As all MMOs, there are bugs/mistakes/changes and the constant balance issue.
Zenimax has proven to work very hard on problems, and even change priorities when a serious problem occurs. This makes me very secure as a player.

ESO has been managed very well. Not only does Zenimax work on the game itself, but they have a long term plan, including a vast number of different areas, with the amazing ability to hold everything together in the Lore of Tamriel. Everything is connected. From the players choice, events in game, current and future features.

ESO really IS a new type of MMO where level, quests, class and character skill does not define the game. The game starts with you at level 1, where you go from there, is up to you, not the game.

The choice to create your own class, more called "build", choose what to do and in many cases your choices have different effects is nothing else then outstanding.

The way everything connects, NPCs comments, quest that makes sense and ALL are voice, the fight for power in Tamriel to the "simple" explorer, makes ESO a MMO like no other.

Thank you for a very well CORE game.

Can I,

Can I just ask,

Please let me just ask,

What weapon and armor you wear and what class you are?

Talmet · June 2014

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Talmet wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Talmet wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Talmet wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

You are not in charge of the world.

And herein lies the true problem....

not trying to be offensive...but after reading a few of your posts, I gotta say that that is not the problem. That is perhaps one of the very few things that is keeping the world from destroying itself.

Mablung wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

I was happy with the game at one point as well. People who are happy with a product generally do not talk about that product or the related happiness unless someone asks them specifically.

These forums are full of doom and gloom. People have strong negative feelings because they DO care about the product. People come here to vent, list things broke/incomplete/broke/unbalanced/broke/bugged about the game. Generally those are done in a manner that is constructive, it is when the TESO monkey pops in to argue that there is nothing wrong with whatever point you are attempting to make or state how great the game is, that is when the contention begins.

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

I often feel required to post positive opinions, even though I have my disagreements, too.

The reason I do, is because I was an active forum member through Star Wars Galaxies and it's Combat Upgrade, and New Game Enhancements. These two features wrecked the game entirely.

I witnessed many forum posters pop online and ask for rather insignificant or obviously rediculous changes. "There are too many options." "Classes are easier to balance." "The damage is too strong for melee." "Jedi are too rare."

Seemingly innocent, until SOE (spit on their building) was literally forced to act on them by their primary party. And thus, a truly unique and wonderful game was ruined completely.

I almost feel that if I stand by and let that type of hate and negative commiseration build up again, I'll lose another beloved franchise. In this game, and in others I play. I support developer vision above player vision every time (even in my own love of housing). I support fixes over changes every time.

It's not always how I would prefer it done, I agree. And I've made more than my fair share of suggestions. But I still feel like I need to put a little positive in now and again.

I was there for SWG. I was not active on the forums, they were a wreck even by this comparison.

I think your view of being positive is just as counterproductive as the extreme view of stating something needs fixed/changed when it does not necessarily. Placing complete trust in developers is naive. Developers are not game making gods and more often than not, make huge mistakes. Look at SWG as a perfect example.

Being positive to combat negative posts is one thing. Being blind about how a game is actually performing and wanting to silence the overwhelming majority of people who feel that this game is lackluster is just as bad as what players did in SWG.

He never said he wanted to silence people. The only person who claimed they wanted other people to not post and be quiet is.....YOU.

Mablung wrote: »

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

*bold & underline added by me to show where you told people who disagreed with you to be quiet.

Silence in its use here is figurative. I understand that reading comprehension might not be a strong point with you. Had I believed he wanted people to stop posting, I would have stated such. Just like I did earlier.

Oh brother. You had to go grab what I said? Really? I never denied it and now I have to edit my post to say, I never denied what I said. I do not understand why you happy campers are here posting how happy you are versus playing your happy game?

It's called a job son. I'm working (well, I'm at work taking a break with a cup of coffee, reading forum posts before getting back to work.).

This is a forum...telling someone to be silent on a forum, is telling them not to post. Accusing someone of wanting other people to be silent on a forum, is accusing them of wanting other people to not post.

In none of his posts did he ever approach the idea that he wanted other people to not post. All he said was that he felt compelled to give positive feedback to counterbalance the negative feedback....that is not even remotely the same as wanting to silence the negative feedback.

And yeah...I quoted what you said. I never claimed that you did deny it. I simply provided proof for what I said.

Stop posting. No one is reading your raving madness any longer.

I'm reading his posts. And of course, since he seems to be on my side, I agree wholeheartedly.

I think. Not entirely sure yet. But I'll hit the agree button. And probably use the report function, too. Nah, too many smilies to take anything serious.

Rofl, yeah...I agree with you. And, I'll even go one further.

You are obviously incredibly intelligent, thoughtful, & wise.

I know this, because you agree with me. Ah well, I suppose it's time to go grade more incoherent freshmen lab reports as this discussion seems to be winding down at least for the moment.

In conclusion. The game is awesome, I love playing it...though yes, it has problems that need fixing & will need to be fixed at some point in the future if the game is to succeed.

ZOS_JordanH · June 2014

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Cogo · June 2014

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Can I,

Can I just ask,

Please let me just ask,

What weapon and armor you wear and what class you are?

Of course.

I am a DK, built myself as a pure tank for grouping. My damage is so horrible that I die more then I can count when I try to solo. Maybe I am a bad player, but I dont kill things very fast.

I use 1H and shield. Mostly heavy armor and 2 pieces of medium armor for the stamina regen, which I put points in.

I do pretty poorly alone, but in groups and instances, I even got good comments from people I dont know about my tanking :-).

The interupt with shield works great btw. But I have to time it! And I do miss that a lot.

Why do you ask?

Khivas_Carrick · June 2014

You are literally the first person I've seen in days to say they love this game in the way you do while listing the problems with your class and choice of armor and weapons.

If you said you were a DK or Sorc with a staff or light armor, I might have been forced to puke all over your pillows then light your car on fire.

But alas, you say you're a DK (which tbh is still the better class choice by far) and a Tank in heavy and medium armor with sword and board. Like me, you shine best in groups, so frankly, you're not too bad in my book.

Thus far.

TaffyIX · June 2014

Great post OP!

Fully agree with you.

Inco · June 2014

Good will on you Cogo! It's nice to see "go team ZOS" posts.

I was in the same place you are now a couple months ago while beta testing. Excited for launch and everything... fast forward to VR content and I'm pretty much not very happy on how it all turned out. Enjoy the journey and play the way you want to play. Don't be in a hurry and just enjoy 1-50 the best of what the game has to offer I think. Listen to the NPC's and watch storylines unfold.

Still very cool that the game went the "New Groundbreaking Ideas" direction it did, but still a LOT of work is needed to keep people interested in the game. Balance is clearly the final straw for a lot of people and ZOS has limited time to fix that (IMHO). If I was to give a "State of the Game" speech it would be pretty bleak on it's future for the next 2-3 months.

Harakh · June 2014

You can play as you want?

This is ridiculous, because this is a point you definitely cannot in the VR5+ Areas. If you want to make Trails in craglorn you need to be Staff user more better DK or Sorc Staff user.

It is good that the game suits you, may you have much fun in this game.

I like it too, but i cannot pay for playing a broken class (NB), brainless Craglorn Content (it is just farming in a big group where skill doesnt matter) and the priorities in fixing things is wrong, they let one class 3 month till they do something for it and even nerf it in the last patches, that is frustrating.

Khivas_Carrick · June 2014

Harakh wrote: »

You can play as you want?

This is ridiculous, because this is a point you definitely cannot in the VR5+ Areas. If you want to make Trails in craglorn you need to be Staff user more better DK or Sorc Staff user.

It is good that the game suits you, may you have much fun in this game.

I like it too, but i cannot pay for playing a broken class (NB), brainless Craglorn Content (it is just farming in a big group where skill doesnt matter) and the priorities in fixing things is wrong, they let one class 3 month till they do something for it and even nerf it in the last patches, that is frustrating.

This man sums up my pain at this game in one short post, miraculous.

And what's worse is a Dev/Mod is probably going to shoot in here real quick and tell me to play nice while editing this and telling me how much of a fool we all are and that Templars are just fine, melee weapons are working as intended, and how amazing light and medium armor is (actually that last one isn't 110% off).

Sorry, I'm tired, it's 3am my time, and I'm just mad as hell atm is all.

/rant end.

For now.

KariTR · June 2014

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

I agree with the OP except the balance is out too far skewed toward casters to the point of being bad for the game . If they fix that they have my vote

I wish people would stop carrying on as if sorcs are some kind of gods in game. I am beginning to believe I must be a terrible player.

Game deaths generally don't bother me - they are part of the game - but last night I cut my adventuring in the VR3 zone short after my umpteenth death to trash mobs. And trust me, I avoided anything larger than a 'group' of two and went after singles every time if I could avoid even a pair.

I will adjust to zone three, just as I adjusted to zones 1 and 2, but it is false to imply that one class or classes is facerolling content that other classes are struggling with. I see players of all classes falling like flies, despite the fact the game is true to its MMO roots and most of us are playing as a group even when not in a party (which makes nonsense of the percentages a previous poster was making about 'solo' vs 'group' levelling. With few instances in game, content outside of the main/guild story lines is rarely played alone).

Anyway, back on topic, despite, or more accurately because of, the setbacks like last night, this MMO has great appeal to me. I too place trust more in the devs' vision than my own or other players. I know what the forum crowd who complain the loudest want, I read it on every forum of every MMO I have visited. If these 'gamers' could only be less intractable and more adaptable they may actually appreciate the differences instead of trying to homogenise (GB-EN) an entire genre.