ESO - The new type of MMORPG

Cogo

HI everyone and I'd like to express this thread towards everyone and Zenimax as well.

I have experience from most MMOs since early MuDs, the first giant Everquest, many years through WoW and others which are to many to mention here.

I have followed the progress around ESO for over a year before the release, and my hopes where if only half of what was promised, was delivered, I would be very interested in ESO. ESO exceeded my expectations by creating the game they marketed.

ESO is what was promised, and have broken new ground in creating a new type of MMO, with an experience as player you do not get anywhere else. The player choose their destiny, whatever that may be. The choice is yours in about everything. Your choices even have different effects on you and the game depending on what you choose.

As all MMOs, there are bugs/mistakes/changes and the constant balance issue.
Zenimax has proven to work very hard on problems, and even change priorities when a serious problem occurs. This makes me very secure as a player.

ESO has been managed very well. Not only does Zenimax work on the game itself, but they have a long term plan, including a vast number of different areas, with the amazing ability to hold everything together in the Lore of Tamriel. Everything is connected. From the players choice, events in game, current and future features.

ESO really IS a new type of MMO where level, quests, class and character skill does not define the game. The game starts with you at level 1, where you go from there, is up to you, not the game.

The choice to create your own class, more called "build", choose what to do and in many cases your choices have different effects is nothing else then outstanding.

The way everything connects, NPCs comments, quest that makes sense and ALL are voice, the fight for power in Tamriel to the "simple" explorer, makes ESO a MMO like no other.

Thank you for a very well CORE game.

ers101284b14_ESO

Joy, happiness, understanding, good positive words towards the devs. The haters are gonna smell this one miles away.

Drasn

Not gonna rain too much on your parade other than to say I used to wear the rose colored glasses too. Enjoy it while it lasts.

fredarbonab14_ESO

^^^ We will enjoy it, and will send you a post card how much fun we are having along the way. Where should we address that post card?

Cogo

fredarbonab14_ESO wrote: »

^^^ We will enjoy it, and will send you a post card how much fun we are having along the way. Where should we address that post card?

Sweden! And I also seam to break the law of these forums by stating that lag isnt that big of an issue for me.

Mablung

Cogo wrote: »

HI everyone and I'd like to express this thread towards everyone and Zenimax as well.

I have experience from most MMOs since early MuDs, the first giant Everquest, many years through WoW and others which are to many to mention here.

I have followed the progress around ESO for over a year before the release, and my hopes where if only half of what was promised, was delivered, I would be very interested in ESO. ESO exceeded my expectations by creating the game they marketed.

ESO is what was promised, and have broken new ground in creating a new type of MMO, with an experience as player you do not get anywhere else. The player choose their destiny, whatever that may be. The choice is yours in about everything. Your choices even have different effects on you and the game depending on what you choose.

As all MMOs, there are bugs/mistakes/changes and the constant balance issue.
Zenimax has proven to work very hard on problems, and even change priorities when a serious problem occurs. This makes me very secure as a player.

ESO has been managed very well. Not only does Zenimax work on the game itself, but they have a long term plan, including a vast number of different areas, with the amazing ability to hold everything together in the Lore of Tamriel. Everything is connected. From the players choice, events in game, current and future features.

ESO really IS a new type of MMO where level, quests, class and character skill does not define the game. The game starts with you at level 1, where you go from there, is up to you, not the game.

The choice to create your own class, more called "build", choose what to do and in many cases your choices have different effects is nothing else then outstanding.

The way everything connects, NPCs comments, quest that makes sense and ALL are voice, the fight for power in Tamriel to the "simple" explorer, makes ESO a MMO like no other.

Thank you for a very well CORE game.

This is absurd. Are you an employee of the company because you are constantly arguing with anyone who express displeasure with this game. You argue about issues not being there for you so they must be made up. Not that this is an argument towards anyone specifically but geez, are you on drugs man?

Personally I am tired of seeing your posts here. Great, you like the game. Nothing to learn here.

Dealdrick

Cogo wrote: »

HI everyone and I'd like to express this thread towards everyone and Zenimax as well.

I have experience from most MMOs since early MuDs, the first giant Everquest, many years through WoW and others which are to many to mention here.

I have followed the progress around ESO for over a year before the release, and my hopes where if only half of what was promised, was delivered, I would be very interested in ESO. ESO exceeded my expectations by creating the game they marketed.

ESO is what was promised, and have broken new ground in creating a new type of MMO, with an experience as player you do not get anywhere else. The player choose their destiny, whatever that may be. The choice is yours in about everything. Your choices even have different effects on you and the game depending on what you choose.

As all MMOs, there are bugs/mistakes/changes and the constant balance issue.
Zenimax has proven to work very hard on problems, and even change priorities when a serious problem occurs. This makes me very secure as a player.

ESO has been managed very well. Not only does Zenimax work on the game itself, but they have a long term plan, including a vast number of different areas, with the amazing ability to hold everything together in the Lore of Tamriel. Everything is connected. From the players choice, events in game, current and future features.

ESO really IS a new type of MMO where level, quests, class and character skill does not define the game. The game starts with you at level 1, where you go from there, is up to you, not the game.

The choice to create your own class, more called "build", choose what to do and in many cases your choices have different effects is nothing else then outstanding.

The way everything connects, NPCs comments, quest that makes sense and ALL are voice, the fight for power in Tamriel to the "simple" explorer, makes ESO a MMO like no other.

Thank you for a very well CORE game.

You don't "really" have the choice to create your own class though. So many abilities are either broken or just flat out under perform, only a few viable builds exist. Sure, you can invest skill points in whatever skills you want, but unless you are going full light armor and staves you will probably under perform and struggle with Vet content.

That isn't much of choice.....

Nikki_Mond

I could be the biggest fan of a game, and I still wouldn't feel the urge to have to create a forum thread.

ErykGrimm

The guy likes the game. Give him a break. The game needs a lot of work, yes. But it is still freaking amazing. Positivity is a good counterbalance to much of the cynicism and hate. Why does someone being happy about a game offend people? I would recommend anyone that hates to see other people happy to seek counseling and resolve those childhood issues.

Dealdrick

ErykGrimm wrote: »

The guy likes the game. Give him a break. The game needs a lot of work, yes. But it is still freaking amazing. Positivity is a good counterbalance to much of the cynicism and hate. Why does someone being happy about a game offend people? I would recommend anyone that hates to see other people happy to seek counseling and resolve those childhood issues.

Him being pleased with the game is fine, but when someone proclaims their opinions on an open forum, people are bound to disagree. Deal with it

Cogo

Mablung wrote: »

This is absurd. Are you an employee of the company because you are constantly arguing with anyone who express displeasure with this game. You argue about issues not being there for you so they must be made up. Not that this is an argument towards anyone specifically but geez, are you on drugs man?

Personally I am tired of seeing your posts here. Great, you like the game. Nothing to learn here.

I am sorry my friend. But I live in a world where everyones opinion is as much valueble as everyone else.

I am not an employee of Zenimax. I am a hardore MMO player in fact. Everquest has been the best game I played so far. ESO will not beat it, but as I posted have given me a new type to enjoy.

And just as many posts as you have done just about complaining about everything. Why would I not be allowed to post about what I experience (not read from others) just because I happen to like certain things.

Oh, and I have my own list of what to improve in ESO. Dont worry, but everything in order. FIRST, make a stable game, show that the company is working seriously on it and have a plan. THEN, you will see me among those who suggest fixes.

I can give you one right away. Guild bank needs to be fixed so it can group items, cause it takes me alot of time to do that daily. HOWEVER. For me, working on problems that makes players not being able to play the game, or balancing the game, is more important.

Ser Lobo

Mablung wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

HI everyone and I'd like to express this thread towards everyone and Zenimax as well.

I have experience from most MMOs since early MuDs, the first giant Everquest, many years through WoW and others which are to many to mention here.

I have followed the progress around ESO for over a year before the release, and my hopes where if only half of what was promised, was delivered, I would be very interested in ESO. ESO exceeded my expectations by creating the game they marketed.

ESO is what was promised, and have broken new ground in creating a new type of MMO, with an experience as player you do not get anywhere else. The player choose their destiny, whatever that may be. The choice is yours in about everything. Your choices even have different effects on you and the game depending on what you choose.

As all MMOs, there are bugs/mistakes/changes and the constant balance issue.
Zenimax has proven to work very hard on problems, and even change priorities when a serious problem occurs. This makes me very secure as a player.

ESO has been managed very well. Not only does Zenimax work on the game itself, but they have a long term plan, including a vast number of different areas, with the amazing ability to hold everything together in the Lore of Tamriel. Everything is connected. From the players choice, events in game, current and future features.

ESO really IS a new type of MMO where level, quests, class and character skill does not define the game. The game starts with you at level 1, where you go from there, is up to you, not the game.

The choice to create your own class, more called "build", choose what to do and in many cases your choices have different effects is nothing else then outstanding.

The way everything connects, NPCs comments, quest that makes sense and ALL are voice, the fight for power in Tamriel to the "simple" explorer, makes ESO a MMO like no other.

Thank you for a very well CORE game.

Personally I am tired of seeing your posts here. Great, you like the game. Nothing to learn here.

I get this feeling alot, too. Only mine is along the lines of:

Great, you dislike the game. Nothing to learn here.


If there was an ignore feature on these forums, there are a couple names that pop up spewing hate and disagreement in nearly every thread. They'd be on my list.

I wonder how much of this agenda against ESO I'd see then? I can promise that the Nightblade stickied post would be less than half it's current size if only ONE user was removed, and all his posts are repetitions of 'nightblades are completely broken', which is also completely false.

Dealdrick

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

HI everyone and I'd like to express this thread towards everyone and Zenimax as well.

I have experience from most MMOs since early MuDs, the first giant Everquest, many years through WoW and others which are to many to mention here.

I have followed the progress around ESO for over a year before the release, and my hopes where if only half of what was promised, was delivered, I would be very interested in ESO. ESO exceeded my expectations by creating the game they marketed.

ESO is what was promised, and have broken new ground in creating a new type of MMO, with an experience as player you do not get anywhere else. The player choose their destiny, whatever that may be. The choice is yours in about everything. Your choices even have different effects on you and the game depending on what you choose.

As all MMOs, there are bugs/mistakes/changes and the constant balance issue.
Zenimax has proven to work very hard on problems, and even change priorities when a serious problem occurs. This makes me very secure as a player.

ESO has been managed very well. Not only does Zenimax work on the game itself, but they have a long term plan, including a vast number of different areas, with the amazing ability to hold everything together in the Lore of Tamriel. Everything is connected. From the players choice, events in game, current and future features.

ESO really IS a new type of MMO where level, quests, class and character skill does not define the game. The game starts with you at level 1, where you go from there, is up to you, not the game.

The choice to create your own class, more called "build", choose what to do and in many cases your choices have different effects is nothing else then outstanding.

The way everything connects, NPCs comments, quest that makes sense and ALL are voice, the fight for power in Tamriel to the "simple" explorer, makes ESO a MMO like no other.

Thank you for a very well CORE game.

Personally I am tired of seeing your posts here. Great, you like the game. Nothing to learn here.

I get this feeling alot, too. Only mine is along the lines of:

Great, you dislike the game. Nothing to learn here.


If there was an ignore feature on these forums, there are a couple names that pop up spewing hate and disagreement in nearly every thread. They'd be on my list.

I wonder how much of this agenda against ESO I'd see then? I can promise that the Nightblade stickied post would be less than half it's current size if only ONE user was removed, and all his posts are repetitions of 'nightblades are completely broken', which is also completely false.

Two things....

1. There is no agenda against ESO, its pissed off customers unhappy with the product and service they purchased. All that talk about wanting respect for your opinion doesn't mean much if you don't respect others' in kind.

2. NBs are broken, just not completely. They are significantly behind the other 3 in practically every possible role that could be filled.

ErykGrimm

Dealdrick wrote: »

ErykGrimm wrote: »

The guy likes the game. Give him a break. The game needs a lot of work, yes. But it is still freaking amazing. Positivity is a good counterbalance to much of the cynicism and hate. Why does someone being happy about a game offend people? I would recommend anyone that hates to see other people happy to seek counseling and resolve those childhood issues.

Him being pleased with the game is fine, but when someone proclaims their opinions on an open forum, people are bound to disagree. Deal with it

People getting angry at someone just for being happy may very well need some professional help. I am not trying to be demeaning in any way, I am genuinely concerned for people that see happiness and rage. This is the community forums afterall, I'm just looking out for my fellow gamers. But that's just my opinion, in this open forum, so...uh deal with it?

Dealdrick

ErykGrimm wrote: »

Dealdrick wrote: »

ErykGrimm wrote: »

The guy likes the game. Give him a break. The game needs a lot of work, yes. But it is still freaking amazing. Positivity is a good counterbalance to much of the cynicism and hate. Why does someone being happy about a game offend people? I would recommend anyone that hates to see other people happy to seek counseling and resolve those childhood issues.

Him being pleased with the game is fine, but when someone proclaims their opinions on an open forum, people are bound to disagree. Deal with it

People getting angry at someone just for being happy may very well need some professional help. I am not trying to be demeaning in any way, I am genuinely concerned for people that see happiness and rage. This is the community forums afterall, I'm just looking out for my fellow gamers. But that's just my opinion, in this open forum, so...uh deal with it?

Those people are already angry, a dissenting opinion is just a target.

Cogo

Just to be clear, its perfectly alright to disagree with me. Even to say whatever you want about my post. Its my view. Tell me yours....

This is what forums are about, isnt it?

Ser Lobo

Dealdrick wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

HI everyone and I'd like to express this thread towards everyone and Zenimax as well.

I have experience from most MMOs since early MuDs, the first giant Everquest, many years through WoW and others which are to many to mention here.

I have followed the progress around ESO for over a year before the release, and my hopes where if only half of what was promised, was delivered, I would be very interested in ESO. ESO exceeded my expectations by creating the game they marketed.

ESO is what was promised, and have broken new ground in creating a new type of MMO, with an experience as player you do not get anywhere else. The player choose their destiny, whatever that may be. The choice is yours in about everything. Your choices even have different effects on you and the game depending on what you choose.

As all MMOs, there are bugs/mistakes/changes and the constant balance issue.
Zenimax has proven to work very hard on problems, and even change priorities when a serious problem occurs. This makes me very secure as a player.

ESO has been managed very well. Not only does Zenimax work on the game itself, but they have a long term plan, including a vast number of different areas, with the amazing ability to hold everything together in the Lore of Tamriel. Everything is connected. From the players choice, events in game, current and future features.

ESO really IS a new type of MMO where level, quests, class and character skill does not define the game. The game starts with you at level 1, where you go from there, is up to you, not the game.

The choice to create your own class, more called "build", choose what to do and in many cases your choices have different effects is nothing else then outstanding.

The way everything connects, NPCs comments, quest that makes sense and ALL are voice, the fight for power in Tamriel to the "simple" explorer, makes ESO a MMO like no other.

Thank you for a very well CORE game.

Personally I am tired of seeing your posts here. Great, you like the game. Nothing to learn here.

I get this feeling alot, too. Only mine is along the lines of:

Great, you dislike the game. Nothing to learn here.


If there was an ignore feature on these forums, there are a couple names that pop up spewing hate and disagreement in nearly every thread. They'd be on my list.

I wonder how much of this agenda against ESO I'd see then? I can promise that the Nightblade stickied post would be less than half it's current size if only ONE user was removed, and all his posts are repetitions of 'nightblades are completely broken', which is also completely false.

Two things....

1. There is no agenda against ESO, its pissed off customers unhappy with the product and service they purchased. All that talk about wanting respect for your opinion doesn't mean much if you don't respect others' in kind.

2. NBs are broken, just not completely. They are significantly behind the other 3 in practically every possible role that could be filled.

A player posting a problem? Not an agenda.

A player posting repetitively either for or against something, even in posts not originally related to that topic, is a good example of an agenda.

For example, I'm a staunch supporter of player housing. In every post I can manage (and now, even in this one), I bring up how I think player housing would be a great addition to this game. I readily agree that I am pushing an agenda.

So if said player is dropping in about how bad ESO is ... repeatedly, in post after post, oftentimes multiple times in the same post? Making up percentages, making outrageous claims, and quite obviously doing every thing they can to demonize the company itself without offering worthwhile alternative options at all?

I consider that not only a an agenda, but one that I don't have much respect for. I fully support players trying to make the game a better place. I have no respect for those fostering hate, uprising, or dissidence.


My nightblade works fairly well, though I pretty much avoid a lot of the broken skills. However, the class is so much fun to me I've made more than one, and am currently leveling another altogether.

I didn't have near as much fun on my templar. I have played both dragonknight and sorcerer, though, and was a little sick with how much easier they were to play.

I wouldn't necessarily agree that we are the worst, or significantly behind anyone else. I have seen absolutely amazing boss tanks and group healers, as well as nightmages that push even sorcerers aside.

So, broken? I disagree completely. In need of fixes? Agreed.



To me, it's the language used. I feel it's intended to exagerrate. A player says 'I'll quit' when many mean 'I'll be unhappy.' They say 'I'm broken' when they really mean 'I feel underpowered'. They say 'ESO hates us' when they really mean 'I'd like them to do things faster'.

One is a lie. The other is a truth. An exaggeration, however it's put, is a lie. And anybody with any sense of language will often discount those who exaggerate as being dishonest, and thus, discount their argument.

If a person wants to be heard, they can vie for attention by crying, and lying, and exaggerating more that others (what we see most on these boards). Or they can do so with a logical and comprehensive argument that also includes their feelings and opinions.

Most feel that the former is the faster route to getting their selfish wishes answered. I've always seen that as unfair and irrational.

Mablung

I was happy with the game at one point as well. People who are happy with a product generally do not talk about that product or the related happiness unless someone asks them specifically.

These forums are full of doom and gloom. People have strong negative feelings because they DO care about the product. People come here to vent, list things broke/incomplete/broke/unbalanced/broke/bugged about the game. Generally those are done in a manner that is constructive, it is when the TESO monkey pops in to argue that there is nothing wrong with whatever point you are attempting to make or state how great the game is, that is when the contention begins.

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

Dealdrick

How can you NBs need fixes but they aren't broken? That is teetering on the edge of contradiction. If you enjoy playing that toon, then great. But even you admit sorcs and DKs are ahead, the metrics indicate its one hell of a gap.

Cogo

Mablung wrote: »

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

I am sorry, but are you saying that these forums are only for people to "vent"?
That is what they are for as well. But if ONLY you where allowed to post anger, negative and venting....what use is a forum.

And if you are right, I really would like to know so. I am serious now, are these forums ONLY for venting?

Mablung

Dealdrick wrote: »

How can you NBs need fixes but they aren't broken? That is teetering on the edge of contradiction. If you enjoy playing that toon, then great. But even you admit sorcs and DKs are ahead, the metrics indicate its one hell of a gap.

There are many things broke with the nightblade class. But that does not mean you cannot manage the class into a playable state. Is it fun? Not anymore for me. I cannot complete basic quests any longer. Mob strength at the VR levels seem to be too strong for any build I try to use. Is it a learn to play issue? I dont know, I think that I am good player and made it to VR8 soloing for the most part. It feels to me like the game and the class just are not working together.

You are right. The metrics do indicate that DK and Sorc are head of the class. DKs are about to get nerfed into the ground according to the patch notes and state of the union address. So good luck retaining subs there.

I keep telling myself that this is not an Elder Scrolls Game. It was dressed up as a nice big, steak when in fact is was just a sirloin.

Mablung

Cogo wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

And if you are right, I really would like to know so. I am serious now, are these forums ONLY for venting?

Generally speaking, no forums are not usually for venting only. In this case however, I would argue that yes these specific forums are in fact used for venting only.

Ser Lobo

Dealdrick wrote: »

How can you NBs need fixes but they aren't broken? That is teetering on the edge of contradiction. If you enjoy playing that toon, then great. But even you admit sorcs and DKs are ahead, the metrics indicate its one hell of a gap.

An ability broken? Sure. That would be any ability not working as intended.

A class broken? Again, has to not be working as intended. If the class is functioning (around a couple key, broken abilities mind you), and doing what the Devs intended for us to do, then I would understand completely.



As far as metrics are concerned, please link me to them. Numbers obviously don't lie, and I would really enjoy seeing the comparison.

If we're talking about the one metric I do know, which is trials, than, these are very good argument factors. But trials are being run, successfully, with nightblades and templars.

Neither seem to be able to put out the AOE DPS magicka-based firepower that is currently the most powerful build. Luckily, the devs seem up on the class imbalance (at least where dragonknights and nightblades are concerned) and are steadily fixing it.

As my signature states, I feel the real issue is definitely the power pools themselves. This is one thing I worry that the devs aren't giving a lot of attention.

But I've never been a min-maxer. "One hell of a gap" as you put it may be a 100 DPS difference. To me, that's not terribly large a gap. Now, in the few builds (like vamp builds pre-nerf) where that DPS difference is a thousand points or more? Huge gap, in my opinion. And nerfed, rather quickly.

drogon1

Well I disagree with much of what you say Cogo. Primarily, however, you do not seem to specify in what way ESO is actually a "new type of MMO." The things you list seem done before.

But I'll give you something new. In ESO, if you run every dungeon 1 time on the way to 50, you will probably receive less than 4 bars of total XP. Probably less.

Which means that for 46 of 50 bars of total xp, you MUST primarily quest single player content (sure you can grind mobs, but I don't consider this a real option in an MMO with a sub).

Wait, you say, a player also gets xp from doing public dungeons and anchors (which I completed without grouping - folks just show up), from exploration, and from opening chests. Let's be generous and say it will give you 5 bars total. Now we're at 41 or 50 bars of xp from solo quests.

Thus, 82% of your xp on the journey to max level for the most part MUST come from solo quests, unless you get completely sick of it and grind your levels out on mobs. I say MUST because the xp received from a leveling character in any other manner (typically dungeons or PvP in other MMO's) is so paltry as to be ineffectual.

ESO is thus a new type of MMO that REQUIRES the player to significantly - primarily - solo quest to advance their toon. There are no other options (yeah you can quest with a group, but what's the point - to faceroll content tuned for 1 player?).

To my mind, that is NEW for a AAA MMO - with a subscription fee: an incredibly restrictive formula for character progression that forces the MMO player to play this quest-centric game like a single player RPG. No thank you.

Phantorang

Despite Cogo's earlier posts in this forum, I think its nice of Cogo to try and spread some positivity here. Wouldn't hurt if more did the same. Even though I dont agree on everything, I am still here, and I would not be here if I didnt think the game had alot of potential.

Give us 40 man raids, give the Guilds and the community something big to achieve to encourage more cooperation and to motivate players to group and get to know each other.

Awesome Cogo

ErykGrimm

Mablung wrote: »

I was happy with the game at one point as well. People who are happy with a product generally do not talk about that product or the related happiness unless someone asks them specifically.

These forums are full of doom and gloom. People have strong negative feelings because they DO care about the product. People come here to vent, list things broke/incomplete/broke/unbalanced/broke/bugged about the game. Generally those are done in a manner that is constructive, it is when the TESO monkey pops in to argue that there is nothing wrong with whatever point you are attempting to make or state how great the game is, that is when the contention begins.

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

In the real world positive feedback is just as important as negative feedback, and in many cases more important. How do you tell someone you like something if you don't communicate it? I don't know any mind readers. You act as though you are being forced to read positive threads. If that is the case then you need to contact the authorities and notify them you are being imprisoned and forced to read positive forum threads. Divines be with you.

Cogo

@drogon1

Good that you disagree with me and explain why.

I havnt looked at my exp bar, neither do I care where the exp comes from. THIS is the main thing why ESO is a new type. Level and exp isnt everything. Even, its not very important as player experience.

Sure, I understand that there are players who only want the best exp and reach the highest level, but this is what my post is saying. ESO offers an MMO where levels and exp are almost secondary.

Also, I am level 44. I group more then I solo. So somehow I have gotten EXP from other things then solo.

Ser Lobo

Mablung wrote: »

I was happy with the game at one point as well. People who are happy with a product generally do not talk about that product or the related happiness unless someone asks them specifically.

These forums are full of doom and gloom. People have strong negative feelings because they DO care about the product. People come here to vent, list things broke/incomplete/broke/unbalanced/broke/bugged about the game. Generally those are done in a manner that is constructive, it is when the TESO monkey pops in to argue that there is nothing wrong with whatever point you are attempting to make or state how great the game is, that is when the contention begins.

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

I often feel required to post positive opinions, even though I have my disagreements, too.

The reason I do, is because I was an active forum member through Star Wars Galaxies and it's Combat Upgrade, and New Game Enhancements. These two features wrecked the game entirely.

I witnessed many forum posters pop online and ask for rather insignificant or obviously rediculous changes. "There are too many options." "Classes are easier to balance." "The damage is too strong for melee." "Jedi are too rare."

Seemingly innocent, until SOE (spit on their building) was literally forced to act on them by their primary party. And thus, a truly unique and wonderful game was ruined completely.

I almost feel that if I stand by and let that type of hate and negative commiseration build up again, I'll lose another beloved franchise. In this game, and in others I play. I support developer vision above player vision every time (even in my own love of housing). I support fixes over changes every time.

It's not always how I would prefer it done, I agree. And I've made more than my fair share of suggestions. But I still feel like I need to put a little positive in now and again.

Mablung

ErykGrimm wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

I was happy with the game at one point as well. People who are happy with a product generally do not talk about that product or the related happiness unless someone asks them specifically.

These forums are full of doom and gloom. People have strong negative feelings because they DO care about the product. People come here to vent, list things broke/incomplete/broke/unbalanced/broke/bugged about the game. Generally those are done in a manner that is constructive, it is when the TESO monkey pops in to argue that there is nothing wrong with whatever point you are attempting to make or state how great the game is, that is when the contention begins.

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

In the real world positive feedback is just as important as negative feedback, and in many cases more important. How do you tell someone you like something if you don't communicate it? I don't know any mind readers. You act as though you are being forced to read positive threads. If that is the case then you need to contact the authorities and notify them you are being imprisoned and forced to read positive forum threads. Divines be with you.

So this was an RP post?

Talmet

Mablung wrote: »

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

What?

Reading/seeing/hearing dissenting views & opinions is part of life. Just because you believe something, doesn't mean that everyone else has to believe the same thing. Also, just because you believe something, doesn't mean that anyone who doesn't, needs to be quiet.

You are not in charge of the world. Other people's opinions are just as valid as your own. They have every right to speak & post their opinions in a public place like a community forum (given that they follow the community rules of course.)

Mablung

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

I was happy with the game at one point as well. People who are happy with a product generally do not talk about that product or the related happiness unless someone asks them specifically.

These forums are full of doom and gloom. People have strong negative feelings because they DO care about the product. People come here to vent, list things broke/incomplete/broke/unbalanced/broke/bugged about the game. Generally those are done in a manner that is constructive, it is when the TESO monkey pops in to argue that there is nothing wrong with whatever point you are attempting to make or state how great the game is, that is when the contention begins.

Great everyone who is happy with the game is very happy. Go play the game then. Stop posting about how happy you are and let the rest of us vent and commiserate together.

I often feel required to post positive opinions, even though I have my disagreements, too.

The reason I do, is because I was an active forum member through Star Wars Galaxies and it's Combat Upgrade, and New Game Enhancements. These two features wrecked the game entirely.

I witnessed many forum posters pop online and ask for rather insignificant or obviously rediculous changes. "There are too many options." "Classes are easier to balance." "The damage is too strong for melee." "Jedi are too rare."

Seemingly innocent, until SOE (spit on their building) was literally forced to act on them by their primary party. And thus, a truly unique and wonderful game was ruined completely.

I almost feel that if I stand by and let that type of hate and negative commiseration build up again, I'll lose another beloved franchise. In this game, and in others I play. I support developer vision above player vision every time (even in my own love of housing). I support fixes over changes every time.

It's not always how I would prefer it done, I agree. And I've made more than my fair share of suggestions. But I still feel like I need to put a little positive in now and again.

I was there for SWG. I was not active on the forums, they were a wreck even by this comparison.

I think your view of being positive is just as counterproductive as the extreme view of stating something needs fixed/changed when it does not necessarily. Placing complete trust in developers is naive. Developers are not game making gods and more often than not, make huge mistakes. Look at SWG as a perfect example.

Being positive to combat negative posts is one thing. Being blind about how a game is actually performing and wanting to silence the overwhelming majority of people who feel that this game is lackluster is just as bad as what players did in SWG.