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No templar love
For the love of god, there's still time to give Templars substantial improvements in 1.2. Most templar tweaks are minor or purely cosmetic, some of which affecting skills that are already sub-par, situational and rarely used to begin with. They have very little impact on PvP. Our survavibility means NOTHING if we don't have any firepower to fight back in non-group situations. We stand very little chances 1v1 using our class skills. Are we being officially pushed into healer builds?
As a heavy armor, two-handed weapon wielding templar, I'm at very bottom of your list. We simply cannot remain competitive unless we go full caster. Would you like everyone to have the same builds by design? Isn't this against the whole purpose of allowing people to choose their weapons?
If you're not going to redesign how stamina works, at least decrease the magicka costs of our most commonly used abilities, give us back some kind of magicka regen. Why buff only blinding lights and morphs that nobody uses for a very good reason. Pray tell, why nerf our only and already crappy CC?
Can you at least acknowledge templars are underperforming? Don't you guys keep tabs on how each class is performing in PvP and PvE?
As a heavy armor, two-handed weapon wielding templar, I'm at very bottom of your list. We simply cannot remain competitive unless we go full caster. Would you like everyone to have the same builds by design? Isn't this against the whole purpose of allowing people to choose their weapons?
If you're not going to redesign how stamina works, at least decrease the magicka costs of our most commonly used abilities, give us back some kind of magicka regen. Why buff only blinding lights and morphs that nobody uses for a very good reason. Pray tell, why nerf our only and already crappy CC?
Can you at least acknowledge templars are underperforming? Don't you guys keep tabs on how each class is performing in PvP and PvE?
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✭I was surprised that there was nothing about 'Honor the Dead' there. Maybe this skill is working now, or working as intended and I just don't know about it? I've been keeping an eye out around the forums for any sort of official response on it but haven't seen one as yet (doesn't mean there hasn't been one though).
Other than that I think the changes to Templar are okay, I don't really have a problem with the class as it is now (and it's really the only class I play), so I'm not complaining.Edited by Rev Rielle on June 3, 2014 11:36PMIf you can be anything, be kind.1 -
Gokmak✭✭✭Dump your medium armor, switch to light. Drop your melee weapon, switch to staff.
Or cancel your sub like many are doing.
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Rev Rielle wrote: »Other than that I think the changes to Templar are okay, I don't really have a problem with the class as it is now (and it's really the only class I play), so I'm not complaining.
I think caster builds are more okay than melee based builds. It'd be less of a problem if all other classes were properly balanced. But instead of hitting them all with the nerf bat, which understandably pisses everyone off, those of us who choose the tanky side of the class should at least remain competitive against dragonknights.
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anakaki✭✭✭The dps synergies, costly skills and no regen. It's like they haven't compared dps among templars and the other classes. It's a joke.
Maybe playtest trials? Or did they leave that for us aswell? Well it's answered.
Now fix it!Death Recap for TemplarsHave you tried rerolling to a Sorcerer or Dragonknight?Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Templars do more dps than DK's.2 -
anakaki✭✭✭Dump your medium armor, switch to light. Drop your melee weapon, switch to staff.
Or cancel your sub like many are doing.
Templars do not deal same dps as other classes with the Elder Staff Offline build. But it's the only way to go irregardless.Death Recap for TemplarsHave you tried rerolling to a Sorcerer or Dragonknight?Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Templars do more dps than DK's.3 -
Dump your medium armor, switch to light. Drop your melee weapon, switch to staff.
Or cancel your sub like many are doing.
I'm tempted to do so at the end of June. And not as a threat, we all know how well that goes. I'll probably just check it out again in a few months.
And I'm not even wearing medium, I stuck with heavy and will continue to do so. I'm not a min-max type of player. I'm not asking to outperform other players. Just a little attention so that every build is VIABLE. Isn't that the whole point of freedom to choose your skills?
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LordEcks✭✭✭Dump your medium armor, switch to light. Drop your melee weapon, switch to staff.
Or cancel your sub like many are doing.
I dont disagree with what your saying. My real problem is the spec that a lot of people seem to want to play should be viable. By this I mean heavy armor + two handed.
Maybe I'm reading to far into this... but if you select a class on the character select screen the game pretty much shows you what it 'expects' you to equip in the vanilla archetype for that class.
DKs have heavy armor and 1H&Shield.
Sorcs have light armor and a staff (assumedly destro).
NBs have med armor and dual wield.
Templars have heavy armor and a 2h axe....
So why is it that this combo is so unplayable?3 -
Templars have heavy armor and a 2h axe....
So why is it that this combo is so unplayable?
Good catch! I have no interest in playing with a staff or wearing light armor. And it's not like we're asking to play something really exotic. Many people that rolled templars enjoy the paladin archetype.
Edited by Ralph_Damiani on June 3, 2014 11:55PM4 -
Genada✭✭✭The answer is always light armor and staff. Always.
As far as what the game shows you when you create a toon. For Templar it should be:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubw5N8iVDHI 8 -
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✭Mate , it took a alot of templar rage to get them to not nerf us even more :P.
Cause dont matter how low you are , it can always get worse in ESO apparently hehe."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Slash8915✭✭✭✭✭I'm a Temp tank. (Heavy armor, sword and shield) I don't really have many major issues in solo situations, and I seem to do very well in group situations when I have to tank bosses and such. Thing is, I didn't pick a Templar expecting crazy DPS. Would I like a few of my skills to be buffed to make my class a bit more balanced? Ofcourse! But as it is now, I can manage. (especially with Puncturing Sweep back to how it was before the patch, minus increased Magicka drain)
When I got this game, I figured NB and Sorc would be the two strongest DPS classes, as they are Rogue and Caster respectively. I saw DK as being a tank/dps hybrid of sorts, and Temp as being a Paladin or straight healer.3 -
someuser✭✭✭✭Gotta say, as a Templar, I was a little bummed too when I saw the patch notes... BUT, to keep my spirits up I just reassure myself that atleast when you're on bottom, there is no where to go but up... right? <cries>To make ESO look and feel like a PC MMO check out the following:
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✭Ralph_Damiani wrote: »Rev Rielle wrote: »Other than that I think the changes to Templar are okay, I don't really have a problem with the class as it is now (and it's really the only class I play), so I'm not complaining.
I think caster builds are more okay than melee based builds. It'd be less of a problem if all other classes were properly balanced. But instead of hitting them all with the nerf bat, which understandably pisses everyone off, those of us who choose the tanky side of the class should at least remain competitive against dragonknights.
Yes, I tend to agree re the caster compare to 'melee' being more okay. I guess that's the way things are at the moment across the board for almost all classes, and as such I think isn't a unique problem just to Templars.
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Genada✭✭✭It's a shame devs seem not able to commit or wish to speak with players about what they are having problems with and the fixes they would like to see.
So they just seem to change some stuff at random and none of it is really going to be helpful. Devs need to get out and start talking with the community. Right now it feels like Zeni wants nothing to do with it's own community and refuses to engage it in any way.2 -
anakaki✭✭✭pecheckler wrote: »templar needs aoe cc for tanking
This.
And better burst across the board. It's hilariuos when compared to other classes.
And revamp of beta magicka regen.
And moving while casting Rites (I mean, seriously?)
Death Recap for TemplarsHave you tried rerolling to a Sorcerer or Dragonknight?Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Templars do more dps than DK's.0 -
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Once you swap to Staff and Light armor and still can't get anywhere near the DPS of DK or Sorc, then cancel the sub like many Templar and NB are doing.Dump your medium armor, switch to light. Drop your melee weapon, switch to staff.
Or cancel your sub like many are doing.
Templars have no mana regen skills, all other classes do, Templars used to have the best but it was taken away at the end of beta and never replaced with anything.
Every patch they add more bugs then they fix, there are still tons of broken passives etc that have been here since beta. They are a new company, and players theses days with so many other options are not going to pay them for months on end waiting for fixes, they just move on.
Edited by Natjur on June 4, 2014 12:48AM2 -
anakaki✭✭✭
Once you swap to Staff and Light armor and still can't get anywhere near the DPS of DK or Sorc, then cancel the sub like many Templar and NB are doing.Dump your medium armor, switch to light. Drop your melee weapon, switch to staff.
Or cancel your sub like many are doing.
Templars have no mana regen skills, all other classes do, Templars used to have the best but it was taken away at the end of beta and never replaced with anything.
Every patch they add more bugs then they fix, there are still tons of broken passives etc that have been here since beta. They are a new company, and players theses days with so many other options are not going to pay them for months on end waiting for fixes, they just move on.
This is sad because it's true.Death Recap for TemplarsHave you tried rerolling to a Sorcerer or Dragonknight?Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Templars do more dps than DK's.2 -
khaza✭✭If I get allmost any class unprepared and they don't get Immovanle going I could kill most without even getting hurt...
Luminous Spear and Javelin is fantastic against solo players!
I am using destro staff and light armor as PvP DPS.
But I will most likely switch back to 5 heavy + 2 light to get that little extra HP from the heavy armor passive. I would still be soft caped on magicka regen.
In my oppinion what they need to do is to check into why people are using light armor in such high degree, and still getting soft caped in AC.
Why not make it worthwhile to actually use heavy armor and get higher soaking.
Btw, just saw something hilarious in Cyrodiil today.
Since they fixed the Caltrop bug people found another way to avoid getting hurt by siege.
People are jumping on the spot and hence it seems they are not getting hit by the siege, hehe. Maybe they need to check into that now.
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Goibot✭✭✭Before 49 I leveled up Heavy and Light armor, 2 handed and Bow. When I hit VR content I switched to 1 handed and shield and leveled it up before V5. Got really frustrated with trying to take out 3 trash mobs and more or less gave up on the way I want to play. Now at V6 I wear a skirt and wave sticks... Anyone know the best way/place to level up the sticks?1
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As a templar? Load Mage guild line skills. Templar skills use too much mana and we have no mana recovery skill, so DON'T use templar skills..... sad I knowBefore 49 I leveled up Heavy and Light armor, 2 handed and Bow. When I hit VR content I switched to 1 handed and shield and leveled it up before V5. Got really frustrated with trying to take out 3 trash mobs and more or less gave up on the way I want to play. Now at V6 I wear a skirt and wave sticks... Anyone know the best way/place to level up the sticks?
Edited by Natjur on June 4, 2014 1:01AM4 -
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As a templar? Load Mage guild line skills. Templar skills use too much mana and we have no mana recovery skill, so DON'T use templar skills..... sad I knowBefore 49 I leveled up Heavy and Light armor, 2 handed and Bow. When I hit VR content I switched to 1 handed and shield and leveled it up before V5. Got really frustrated with trying to take out 3 trash mobs and more or less gave up on the way I want to play. Now at V6 I wear a skirt and wave sticks... Anyone know the best way/place to level up the sticks?
This.Death Recap for TemplarsHave you tried rerolling to a Sorcerer or Dragonknight?Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Templars do more dps than DK's.0 -
CosmicChaos✭✭✭I'm using a V5 Bow Templar and doing fine soloing in PVE and even PVP because I know my limits. This is my build here, can't say it is outstanding. With the current state of the class this build is my favorite for soloing PVE. You won't be soloing Craglorn or group content. However a little common sense makes this build go a long way in PVE.1
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Phantorang✭✭✭✭The patch notes are not that bad, but not what we would have reason to hope for maybe. The balancing is going to take a couple more patches, and its still only an early preview.
But as long as DKs/Sorcs are boosted too, the small boosts to Templar just vanishes into nothing but a support class, with some great short time healing, but because of Templars 0 magicka regen, the Sorc with their Dark Deal got unlimited magicka and is preferred healer in longer boss fights.Fimbulwinter Recruiting true Vikings | Campaigns score | EU PC1 -
anakaki✭✭✭Phantorang wrote: »but because of Templars 0 magicka regen, the Sorc with their Dark Deal got unlimited magicka and is preferred healer in longer boss fights.
And triple the dps to boost. Yeah, wonder why they are picked instead.Death Recap for TemplarsHave you tried rerolling to a Sorcerer or Dragonknight?Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Templars do more dps than DK's.4 -
It's a shame devs seem not able to commit or wish to speak with players about what they are having problems with and the fixes they would like to see.
Exactly. I get the feeling they're listening in the sense it's not uncommon to find community managers replying to popular topics. I get it, community managers are doing their job of listening and saying they're aware of certain issues. We also know that eventually they get looked at and some are actually fixed.
Fine. But we need dialogue, we need to debate, so we understand where things stand exactly. Don't keep us in the dark for so long when it comes to your working agenda. It's like we're permanently stuck on PR stunts from release day. As in: Look, let's not talk about the game's issues, but here's a brand new content patch and more fan artwork.
Then two weeks later, half a tweak is pushed in a hotfix. Problem is, if things are going to take so long to be analyzed, and we're not being fed information, many people will simply assume that nothing is ever going to improve before their patience runs out. In this case in particular, does anyone have the slightest idea of how they feel about our class? Or any class, for that matter? Is any of the classes where they want them to be? Any overpowered? Any performing poorly? We don't know!
A monthly letter from the game's director and hunting the forums for tidbits of information is not enough communication for a community of this size.
Edited by Ralph_Damiani on June 4, 2014 2:44AM0 -
jeevin✭✭✭✭✭Before 49 I leveled up Heavy and Light armor, 2 handed and Bow. When I hit VR content I switched to 1 handed and shield and leveled it up before V5. Got really frustrated with trying to take out 3 trash mobs and more or less gave up on the way I want to play. Now at V6 I wear a skirt and wave sticks... Anyone know the best way/place to level up the sticks?
I've resorted to the same destro/resto tactic and it's by far the best you can do with a Templar. You can get your magic regen to ~90-100 and just use destro/mage/resto skills. If you burn through any VR zone you can get destro to 50 no problems.0 -
Phantorang✭✭✭✭Before 49 I leveled up Heavy and Light armor, 2 handed and Bow. When I hit VR content I switched to 1 handed and shield and leveled it up before V5. Got really frustrated with trying to take out 3 trash mobs and more or less gave up on the way I want to play. Now at V6 I wear a skirt and wave sticks... Anyone know the best way/place to level up the sticks?
I've resorted to the same destro/resto tactic and it's by far the best you can do with a Templar. You can get your magic regen to ~90-100 and just use destro/mage/resto skills. If you burn through any VR zone you can get destro to 50 no problems.
Which Destro staff abilities do you use?
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Shaun98ca2✭✭✭✭✭pecheckler wrote: »templar needs aoe cc for tanking
This.
And better burst across the board. It's hilariuos when compared to other classes.
And revamp of beta magicka regen.
And moving while casting Rites (I mean, seriously?)
I wouldn't expect our Magicka Management to change. From my understanding NightBlades just got "screwed" on their Resource Management in PTS patch notes 1.2.
This is something I have actually been anticipating. Templars have gotten NO buffs whatsoever but instead a nerf to Bitting Jabs that nobody expected.
My theory is the Devs have a GOAL and they are working hard towards that goal. So far the GOAL seems to be Templar's current state in game.
I expect Sorcerers and DragonKnights to be brought into line with Templars and soon NightBlades. Doing this will actually fix the long awaited "fix" to the current imbalance of Magicka/Stamina.
There is an imbalance but the fix is really simple remove or OVERLY reduce Resource Management to Templar level.
My Personal Belief.......
Magicka is meant to be High Damage low sustainment.
Stamina is meant to be Standard Damage high sustainment.
Stamina damage is focused on Light/Heavy attacks(this is why Staffs are included) with hotbar abilities providing utility or slight DPS burst lower than Magicka burst.
Magicka is MEANT to run out leaving a full Magicka user with lower DPS than a full Stamina user.
Stamina ALSO gains the benefit of increased survivability through Block, Dodge, Stun. ALL classes provide Magicka based abilities that doesn't scale based on points in Magicka providing much need utility to Stamina based builds.
Based on the premises above you can see the issue is, except for Templars, none of the classes run out of Magicka creating the imbalance we are seeing.
That is if the above is correct but looking at it that way simply makes sense.1