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Why are you rushing to endgame?
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pecheckler✭✭✭✭✭Nope. Tried the craglorn farm for about 45 minutes. Could not believe how many people would endure such stupidity for an expedited leveling and loot earn advantage.
The zone questing is wonderful, as is dungeon grouping. Shame there are so many mechanics to exploit massive experience gain.End the tedious inventory management game.0 -
Nova Sky✭✭✭✭✭No rushing here. I am still on my first character — Nova Sky, obviously — and am at level 43.
Once I reach level 50 with her, my plan is to roll a new character in another alliance, level that one to 50, then roll a third character in the remaining alliance and level him/her to 50 as well.
So, yeah, it's going to take awhile before I even consider veteran ranks, unless something compelling comes along that really piques my interest in it."Wheresoever you go, go with all of your heart."3 -
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✭@Reevster this is exactly where I was going with my thinking, the "crying about having nothing to do bit". At the end of the day when you turn off your computer, it does not matter whether you are vr12 or lvl 10.. what matters is that the two hours you just spent playing, did it give you joy?
hmm i read this thread and you bump it till you get a response thats what you decided is the issue in your opinion.
Then you can go on a polite but condecsending sactimonious sort of discourse about how its all about the journey and .. the entitlement generation etc etc etc..
(yes you never used those words but i'm paraphrasing in the usual terms these threads are aimed at getting folk to wax lyrical about)
well at this point many folk at lvl cap didnt rush anywhere . If you played beta and have played a few MMO's you have probably learned a wee bit of efficiency in making your time in game progress decently, and can devote even an average amount of time to the game you probably got a main in the high vet lvls..
so this thread belongs to a month or 2 ago . not now.
Edited by hamon on June 1, 2014 9:01PM1 -
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✭From what I've seen, people tend to like checklists of things to do, and without somebody laying out a roadmap for them to follow they feel incomplete.
Part of the reason I really liked TES games and the Fallout games was the absolute open nature of those games. Didn't have to follow any sort of set path, and just did what I wanted to do - which was mostly explore the in-game world and interact with it.
Doing that in this; my main is only at Level 28, and I've one alt at Level 10. Just like taking my time and meandering about
But in that, I seem to be a rare bird. Most others like checklists and being told what to do next.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Zershar_Vemod✭✭✭✭✭renaud.moyneb16_ESO wrote: »Zershar_Vemod wrote: »
Funny how my simple comment on laughing at those who rushed and are complaining now really made you upset.
Upset ? Nah more like totally mad'n'shets... I even slaughtered my cat with the help of my keyboard after reading you !
Are you trying to convice yourself or is it allready done ? Because, actually, I'm trying to help... (it's called maïeutique)Zershar_Vemod wrote: »But hey, adjust the tinfoil and continue with the rants haha. I'm still waiting to see how any of my posts were flaming as you go on a crusade to make up a story and then *** about nothing.
You're hardly worth a crusade, sorry your highness, but since you are falling for it pretty hard I can't resist...Zershar_Vemod wrote: »You obviously have no interest in TESO, so just leave and enjoy wildstar
No thanks... that's actually your best taunt since we're exchanging curtesys...Zershar_Vemod wrote: »There are two general groups:
The ones who are taking their time and still have plenty of content, and those who rushed to VR10/VR12, and are now with "nothing" and spending their time complaining.
Yeah right... the fact that you still enjoy the "content" absolutely negates all reasons poeples might have to complain...
Jez , that guy actualy IS for real I think...
Still at it lol?
Edited by Zershar_Vemod on June 1, 2014 9:13PMHouse Nyssara (NA)
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Tendeep✭✭✭I genuinely wonder. In every other MMO that I know, I understand. WoW fun really starts at max level. But this game? Why in the world would anyone want to rush to the end game (and by this I mean vr12)? There is nothing there! No major, epic, all-expansion-length-awaited superboss, no real new challenge compared to leveling, no real gearing options over and above what is being presented through leveling, no house, no wife/husband, no kingdom awaits. This game IS the leveling, the questing, the stories, why are you rushing to the end?
I find myself at end-game with two VR characters, and two more on the way, I play a good amount when I have free time, but honestly am mostly a casual player... It is that easy to hit VR1, but then the game tanks after that, hence all my alt VR's :-(1 -
iuki✭✭I genuinely wonder. In every other MMO that I know, I understand. WoW fun really starts at max level. But this game? Why in the world would anyone want to rush to the end game (and by this I mean vr12)? There is nothing there!
And here is the exact reason why I will probably not be playing after 2 months sub is up. Every single new MMO that isn't that other...cough...game....makes the same darned mistake and completely forgets about 'end game'. They all seem to think the journey is what everyone wants yet fail to LEARN from all the other dead MMOs that came and went over the years where having next to no end game KILLs your MMO eventually. You want your game to fail, ignore putting in a quality end game....it looks like ESO is right on track!No major, epic, all-expansion-length-awaited superboss, no real new challenge compared to leveling, no real gearing options over and above what is being presented through leveling, no house, no wife/husband, no kingdom awaits.
Exactly and unless things change soon, this game will end up in the F2P garbage bin with a nickel and dime cash shop just like every other MMO ends up over the last 10 years.This game IS the leveling, the questing, the stories, why are you rushing to the end?
Leveling, frankly, sucks in this game. Can I believe in the world and care about the story? No, not here. I believe in say skyrim where the world feels alive and awesome over all yet in ESO it's dead and boring; just another static, unchanging world in a small box with invisible walls everywhere. Can I really believe in that NPC babbling on for ten mins which ends up just telling me to walk just over that hill, seconds away to kill a mob then come back for the zillionth time? NO.
Anyways, I didn't really rush to vr 12...it's stupid easy to get to the cap, just follow the bread crumbs and viola you are vr 12.
W/e, I heard same arguments in EVERY SINGLE failed MMO to date that totally forgets about end game and thinks that 'the journey' is every thing. Well my friends, there is a reason why WoW has/had so many subs....it has the ABILITY to keep people INTERESTED; end game is IMPORTANT. I know people who are still playing it to this very day, some 10 years later! Amazing.
Blah blah, you rushed. Blah blah, you need a life. Blah blah, more end game is coming (never does). Hey, where did all the players go...wth? WHY DID MY FAV MMO GO F2P?! NOOOOOO!
No matter leveling speed, you will all make it there at some point...either now or months from now you will see for yourself just how crappy end game here really is. It seems most new MMOs just aim to have a consumer buy the box, sub for a few months, and then quit; who cares about player retention!Edited by iuki on June 1, 2014 9:18PM6 -
true2moon_ESO✭✭✭to PvP people, the end game is croydiil, so there is nothing to rush there. You dont have to give idiotic ideas about any of this, pvp people are not here to play the PvE leveling game.
So there is no point to want to PvE with all the scripted garbage when you can have the challenge of other players. You cant use the same tactics over and over on players, like you can in PvE. This is why players PvP.
no matter how good your AI is, there will always be simple tricks to beat them, that will be used over and over. Players will always adapt to tactics, and will always offer fresh challenges.
Edited by true2moon_ESO on June 1, 2014 9:19PM3 -
Tendeep✭✭✭true2moon_ESO wrote: »to PvP people, the end game is croydiil, so there is nothing to rush there. You dont have to give idiotic ideas about any of this, pvp people are not here to play the PvE leveling game.
So there is no point to want to PvE with all the scripted garbage when you can have the challenge of other players. You cant use the same tactics over and over on players, like you can in PvE. This is why players PvP.
no matter how good your AI is, there will always be simple tricks to beat them, that will be used over and over. Players will always adapt to tactics, and will always offer fresh challenges.
And on that note... why they need to improve PvP a great deal, because now, the only option we have sucks.
I personally hate the rinse repeat huge map keep taking style that is setup. It is not exciting, it is not action packed, and now after the patch, players can drop VR VET 5 NPCs all over the place and it just sucks the fun out of it. Travel in Cyro sucks, Keep assaults are too simple, etc...1 -
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you can just level to vr10 with your 1st character and you will experience the 2 other zones.No rushing here. I am still on my first character — Nova Sky, obviously — and am at level 43.
Once I reach level 50 with her, my plan is to roll a new character in another alliance, level that one to 50, then roll a third character in the remaining alliance and level him/her to 50 as well.
So, yeah, it's going to take awhile before I even consider veteran ranks, unless something compelling comes along that really piques my interest in it.
if you play AD 1-50 is AD, vr1-vr5 is EP, and vr6-vr10 is DF - so you get to experience all the content with just 1 character.
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GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭W/e, I heard same arguments in EVERY SINGLE failed MMO to date that totally forgets about end game and thinks that 'the journey' is every thing. Well my friends, there is a reason why WoW has/had so many subs....it has the ABILITY to keep people INTERESTED; end game is IMPORTANT. I know people who are still playing it to this very day, some 10 years later! Amazing.
Have never played WoW, other than the starter edition (which didn't get me interested enough to subscribe), so what is the end-game that MMO offers that keeps folks returning?Crotchety Old Man Guild
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stungateb14_ESO✭✭✭Because if you haven't heard the end game was /is the civil war in Cyrodiil and try to become Emperor/ess of the Ruby Throne this was not never was designed to be a player verses npc game like wow.
Forgot to add.
If your goal was to play the game as was intended by ZOS (pvp in the alliance war for your faction) starting at level 10 you were promptly 1 shot in to oblivion by those vr1-10 players that used exploits/glitches/bugs whatever you want to them (unlimited dailies in Cyrodiil at launch) that ZOS refused to fix for 2 weeks allowing those that knew of the (insert name here) and allowed said players to keep there levels they unfairly earned you quickly grew weary of that aspect of the game (being upleveled) thus promoting rushing to max level to be able to compete in the end game that is the alliance war.Edited by stungateb14_ESO on June 1, 2014 9:49PM1 -
true2moon_ESO✭✭✭
and I like how its always the 'players fault' for burning though content, and its never the developers bad management or rushing of development.Blah blah, you rushed. Blah blah, you need a life. Blah blah, more end game is coming (never does). Hey, where did all the players go...wth? WHY DID MY FAV MMO GO F2P?! NOOOOOO!
No matter leveling speed, you will all make it there at some point...either now or months from now you will see for yourself just how crappy end game here really is. It seems most new MMOs just aim to have a consumer buy the box, sub for a few months, and then quit; who cares about player retention!
this game launched good enough, but they made horrible choices and they didnt address problems with pvp, which pretty much killed it for the majority of players from this game.
this destruction of the player base, can only be blamed on the company. I think they are betting for console and they obviously dont care about the PC people. We were the guinea pigs for their console sales.
Edited by true2moon_ESO on June 1, 2014 9:27PM0 -
Zershar_Vemod✭✭✭✭✭true2moon_ESO wrote: »to PvP people, the end game is croydiil, so there is nothing to rush there. You dont have to give idiotic ideas about any of this, pvp people are not here to play the PvE leveling game.
So there is no point to want to PvE with all the scripted garbage when you can have the challenge of other players. You cant use the same tactics over and over on players, like you can in PvE. This is why players PvP.
no matter how good your AI is, there will always be simple tricks to beat them, that will be used over and over. Players will always adapt to tactics, and will always offer fresh challenges.
And on that note... why they need to improve PvP a great deal, because now, the only option we have sucks.
I personally hate the rinse repeat huge map keep taking style that is setup. It is not exciting, it is not action packed, and now after the patch, players can drop VR VET 5 NPCs all over the place and it just sucks the fun out of it. Travel in Cyro sucks, Keep assaults are too simple, etc...
Honestly the first basic step they need to do is just merge most of the campaigns when the current 90 days ends. Almost all of the campaigns are at "low" on all factions 24/7.
Wabbajack and Auriel's Bow hit medium sometimes, but still 7/9 and the the 2 week campaign, being low all the time is not a good sign.House Nyssara (NA)
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stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭you can just level to vr10 with your 1st character and you will experience the 2 other zones.
I could, if they weren't so outrageously up-scaled in difficulty. I don't mind a challenge, but most fights in VR areas right now are so hard it takes all the fun out of it. This is a game where I feel less powerful with each veteran level, and I am burning through gear at an alarming rate and racking up expensive repair bills.
I liked the PvE game during lvl 1-50, so I will roll two alts to see the other factions. I am not all that excited over Cyrodiil anyway, so I have no reason to get to level cap for at least a few months longer. Perhaps I will have some other content to enjoy once I have seen lvl 1-50 in all factions. If not, well, I never planned to play this game for years on end. There are other games I want to try.
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moXrox✭✭✭The ones who rush are often the first who will quit.Edited by moXrox on June 1, 2014 10:19PMMusic Channel:
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Zubba✭✭✭Well. I can't answer for those who do. But I don't. I Pvp only and looking at my lvl/rank as 3rd prio.Add PvP loot drops for some risk/reward in this game.
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sagitter✭✭✭✭✭and if WoW had no endgame would you also tell all the wow players to slow down and "not get to max level" like you do these players? or would tell blizzard their game is in a broken state?
WoW had no "endgame" it actually stopped being a game when starting to force players into daily routines.
This kind of game play is like watching stupid daily TV shows. And now it comes this concept is very succesful to make money!
Respect to blizzards success to feed the mass, but being a creative game designer looks different!
I like teso, a game like wow will never draw my attention. I like play with others player vs others players mainly and pve is a secondary thing.A good mmorpg game should have both pve/pvp and ava/pvp in wow really sucked.
The succes of wow have been the pumped up commercials (even Chuck Norris acted in it) in a period where first kids generations were starting playing mmorpg.2 -
Nova Sky✭✭✭✭✭true2moon_ESO wrote: »
you can just level to vr10 with your 1st character and you will experience the 2 other zones.No rushing here. I am still on my first character — Nova Sky, obviously — and am at level 43.
Once I reach level 50 with her, my plan is to roll a new character in another alliance, level that one to 50, then roll a third character in the remaining alliance and level him/her to 50 as well.
So, yeah, it's going to take awhile before I even consider veteran ranks, unless something compelling comes along that really piques my interest in it.
if you play AD 1-50 is AD, vr1-vr5 is EP, and vr6-vr10 is DF - so you get to experience all the content with just 1 character.
I wasn't aware of that fact. I thought you could VR a character, but it'd have to remain in the alliance of its origin.
My main belongs to the Daggerfall Covenant. Once I reach 50, will I automatically receive the option of going to another alliance to continue the adventure, and if I do, is the move permanent, or can I return to the DA?
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Shanna✭✭✭When I started this venture, I really thought to myself "THIS will be the game that I actually care to reach the apex of."
Now at V5, and lackadaisical about it.
I think the first thing that threw me off that track was their premature add of Craglorn, V11 + content. Come on, most of us were not even at V10. Adding that made the accomplishment of "finishing the game" (which many of we TES fans relished, though bittersweet) a goal that was set too far out.This is all part of the game.3 -
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Mablung✭✭✭✭✭MrDenimChicken wrote: »It is more of a reflection of western culture. We want what we want and we want it now. It is like opening a gift on Christmas morning. There is no neat way to tear away wrapping paper, you rip and shred until the contents are revealed as fast as possible. Then it is move onto the next thing hoping it is better than the previous.
Exactly , plus some players have no life and play 24 hours straight sessions or longer pumped up on red bull and or other stuff.....then once they have burned through to the top lvl missing most of the content they then cry about nothing left too do....Sad really ...,
LOL. how freaking pompous. really?
Some people play mmo's for END GAME, or stuff like PVP, not just leveling.
This game isn't as epic as single player Skyrim in my honest opinion, and there are times where I start breezing through quests because they get repetitive or the boss at the end ends up being really anti-climactic...other times story line is great and worth spending time for. So I'm not going to blame someone for being quicker than I am to get to 50 when they came to this game for something like PVP, especially when cyrodil was hyped to be so amazing.
But this psychoanalysis of "western culture" as the reason people level quickly is ridiculous. People have been doing this from the beginning of MMO's, and people from everywhere around the world do this......Get over yourself.
Name calling? While it is fine that you do not agree with my assessment of American behavior, it is the truth. People rush to endgame to see what goodies await them. To have an advantage over other players for as long as possible before the playing field is leveled. It is the American way.
You are correct that people have been doing this since the dawn of time but that does not make my statement incorrect. If anything it supports it. Simply because people are look for the fastest, easiest way to get to what is perceived to be the best in game, to have that advantage and then move on to something shinier once the lacquer has been dulled.5 -
Nooblet✭✭✭✭Didn't read all the posts.. but why do you assume people "rush".
I tend to play a lot more often when a new game comes out. Because well it's fresh and exciting, and I have quite a bit of free time when I work on the road most of the year away from the wife/etc.
The bigger question is.. Why do you care what other people are doing with their free time?
I thought the PvP was going to keep me excited for a while. I was wrong.
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Elirienne✭✭✭✭
Now please explain us, why do you care?
To me it sounds like you needed some attention and found a very easy argument to get a few likes.
Now you figured me out. That went really fast! wow. Or.. how about.. because I am interested? Crazy, I know, but some people come to forums to ask questions they would like to hear answers for.
Personally i rush to VR12 because Cyrodiil is my place, and i want to get done with PVE as fast as i can; and the only thing i complain about is the lag.
PVP is really the only answer anyone's given here, so sounds fair enough.
You, on the other hand, are complaining about people playing the game at their own pace (which might be different from yours).
I will let you wonder who is the whiner here.
I challenge you to find a complaint in my original post. If you find one, let me know. Otherwise, may I offer a dictionary to look up that big word you clearly do not understand...
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Elirienne✭✭✭✭The ones who rush are often the first who will quit.
Sadly I see it in one of my guilds . A lot of those guys were v10 in no time and they are no longer on. Not sure whate happened, as I wasn;t too close to them, they may just be playing on the NA server instead... but I did see some complaints about "nothing to do" in guild chat. That guild is dead, the 5 guild thing is a very good thing!
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brandon✭✭✭✭They want to get to endgame that way they can leave and go to another mmo and do the same thing there. The ones who rush to endgame are typically people who are extremely impatient, they skip through the conversations, don't read any of the books and then complain when there is nothing to do. Its their money but they miss out on so much because they don't take the time to enjoy anything.
Edited by brandon on June 2, 2014 5:22AM2
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