Drachdhar wrote: »

The problem is not the droprate. The problem is people farming them really, since it is only due to the farmers that the price drops.
I've found one rare motif since the update on droprates, or rather fixed containers. That is hardly an overactive droprate.

Honestly, it depends on how lucky you are. I logged in and out a dozen times for four days straight to "farm" one and I finally got it today. While some of my friends, have gotten 2 within an hour, and then been dry for days after.

The people who complain about the price drops, or people's ability to farm one after patch are the ones who hoarded motifs before hand to make loads of gold.

That's the way I see it at least and a quote to back it up some..

"Daedric and Ancient Elf were worth about 150K and 100K respectively... and now can hardly be sold at all due to vast amount of folks farming them up... they've gotten to the point they're being given away. So the market for those of us who were trying to gain a monetary foothold"

Now that it's available and much cheaper than it was before (i.e 200K > 40k), people are throwing a fit cause they can't exploit the nerf anymore.

And I wasn't farming (just looting containers when questing) but I got 4 motif books over the last couple of days. There have been days and even weeks where everything I touch turns to **** too. It's just RNG and people need to accept that and move on.

zhevon wrote: »

The thing is they should have always been rare and pricey besides they are cosmetic only.

The fact they are cosmetic is precisely why they shouldn't be rare.
Rare items should be something you hold onto for a while because of the status, and thus wouldn't sell. They fact people were selling them, and for insane prices, is why they can't be considered as something worth persuing.

The drop rate we have now is fine, we get them, and we either learn them or give them to a friend. That's how the motifs should be working.

AlexDougherty wrote: »

zhevon wrote: »

The thing is they should have always been rare and pricey besides they are cosmetic only.

The fact they are cosmetic is precisely why they shouldn't be rare.
Rare items should be something you hold onto for a while because of the status, and thus wouldn't sell. They fact people were selling them, and for insane prices, is why they can't be considered as something worth persuing.

The drop rate we have now is fine, we get them, and we either learn them or give them to a friend. That's how the motifs should be working.

Sorry, guy, but you are living in a bizzaro world. In the real world, jewelry is cosmetic but is usually very expensive. So is designer wear. Why? Because these items differentiate the wearer from others and people are willing to pay the price.

Cosmetic enhancements in-game should be priced very high because they are optional. People shouldn't be complaining about something that is not necessary to progress to the game. If some players are willing to pay a high price to set themselves apart from the crowd, let them. Remember, it's optional.

wrlifeboil wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

zhevon wrote: »

The thing is they should have always been rare and pricey besides they are cosmetic only.

The fact they are cosmetic is precisely why they shouldn't be rare.
Rare items should be something you hold onto for a while because of the status, and thus wouldn't sell. They fact people were selling them, and for insane prices, is why they can't be considered as something worth persuing.

The drop rate we have now is fine, we get them, and we either learn them or give them to a friend. That's how the motifs should be working.

Sorry, guy, but you are living in a bizzaro world. In the real world, jewelry is cosmetic but is usually very expensive. So is designer wear. Why? Because these items differentiate the wearer from others and people are willing to pay the price.

Cosmetic enhancements in-game should be priced very high because they are optional. People shouldn't be complaining about something that is not necessary to progress to the game. If some players are willing to pay a high price to set themselves apart from the crowd, let them. Remember, it's optional.

I agree that they should be "rare" but should not have been tied to random container drops.
Motifs should have been tied to certain quest lines and made people work specifically for them, not just logging in and out to get a loot chance drop.

Cogo wrote: »

What is it worth if every tradeskiller had all the motifs. Why not just give everyone the option to create in watcher race they wish.

That is why they need to be rare.

And the comment that because something is to "expensive" people "will" go buy gold. In WoW yes.

I strongly believe the type who really enjoys ESO, for what it is, has no such thinking.

"I must have all" is a wow created feature, which seams to be alot of people who like. Let Wildstar fight with Wow (if they can) about that.

ESO isnt about getting Everything! Its about a good gaming experience, in a world that isnt static and feels "alive" because the gamemakers dont decide what we do. We do.

So counter to what I said twice here, where I said, people were always going to get them at some point. Is to decrease them, and slow that process down, so they can not get what was supposed to be one of the key features of this game, and get a character to look a bit more unique?

And NO! WoW did not create self entitlement, it has been going for years, and not all here even played that game.

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

Here's an idea, remove motif drops entirely from draws/cupboards/trunks/etc and drop them on dungeon bosses instead.

Major counter point top that, is bot farmers would have quite a large share, going off this games bot problem.

Regardless of the price to buy them in-game, how on earth did we ever get to the point of thinking these motifs should be unattainable to all but the select few? They are just motifs. Purely cosmetic.

And no, purely cosmetic items IRL are often not expensive "because" they are cosmetic, they are expensive because real people mine in often unsafe conditions to get gems that the rich wear on their fingers, and get paid a pittance whilst the mine owner rakes in a wad, and the dealer and retailer rake in bigger wads.

All a motif book does is teach you a crafting style - why is that so important to YOU (and this is addressed to everyone, not any particular person) that you think it should be sold for thousands of gold? If you ask that much and someone does not pay it and you do not get a sale, that's just market economics - it's actually only worth what someone is prepared to pay, and that will continue to drop.

I don't think it was ever intended for motifs to be rare, I think it's some bizarre player expectation. Expectation that now seems to result in demands for other people not to be able to get them, because everyone wants to be a unique little snowflake. My thought on this is just "get over it", pretty much.

ESO_Beta_Gamer wrote: »

Kyosji wrote: »

Hey, if people are truly giving the Daedric or Ancient Elf motif away for free like op suggests, I'll gladly take them. I've been trying since day 1. I have horrible luck with motif finding, and I've only found 2 in the 200-300 hours I've played, and those were the Altmer and Khajiit styles.

Kyosji I don't mean to sound rude when I say this but the amount of time you play has nothing to do with your chances of finding these motifs. It all depends on your time/amount of opening the various types of furniture and other objects that can hold these. Most people assume the drop rate is roughly 0.01% which means about once every 1000 objects opened should yield you a motif. If you spend time going from building to building hunting these objects you will find them.

that's not how you farm them. pick a room with loads of chests/dressers/cabinets. loot em all, relog, rinse and repeat. you'll have your motifs in an hour or 2. Youtube has vids of the best places to farm

Phantax wrote: »

Aaklor wrote: »

ESO_Beta_Gamer wrote: »

Kyosji wrote: »

Hey, if people are truly giving the Daedric or Ancient Elf motif away for free like op suggests, I'll gladly take them. I've been trying since day 1. I have horrible luck with motif finding, and I've only found 2 in the 200-300 hours I've played, and those were the Altmer and Khajiit styles.

Kyosji I don't mean to sound rude when I say this but the amount of time you play has nothing to do with your chances of finding these motifs. It all depends on your time/amount of opening the various types of furniture and other objects that can hold these. Most people assume the drop rate is roughly 0.01% which means about once every 1000 objects opened should yield you a motif. If you spend time going from building to building hunting these objects you will find them.

that's not how you farm them. pick a room with loads of chests/dressers/cabinets. loot em all, relog, rinse and repeat. you'll have your motifs in an hour or 2. Youtube has vids of the best places to farm

You'll have all your motifs IF you are in a VR zone, if not you will only get normal, not the rare motifs.
Either way though the current drop rate is fine. Stops all the skanks trying to manipulate the market and screw legit players out of 1000s of gold !

Aye, I don't understand why some people think they ought to be unobtainable.

To the people calling for a halt to motif drops, how did you get yours? Did you tackle Sheogorath to the ground in a naked mud-wrestling competition? Did you eat the heart of a Hagraven? Hmm, probably not, you found it in a chest, cabinet, or backpack whilst you were on a looting spree didn't you? Only now you have yours, you want to stop anyone else getting one in the exact same way, just so that you feel special. I really hope Zenimax does not bow to that.

Edit to correct small grammatical error in the last sentence.

wrlifeboil wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

zhevon wrote: »

The thing is they should have always been rare and pricey besides they are cosmetic only.

The fact they are cosmetic is precisely why they shouldn't be rare.
Rare items should be something you hold onto for a while because of the status, and thus wouldn't sell. They fact people were selling them, and for insane prices, is why they can't be considered as something worth persuing.

The drop rate we have now is fine, we get them, and we either learn them or give them to a friend. That's how the motifs should be working.

Sorry, guy, but you are living in a bizzaro world. In the real world, jewelry is cosmetic but is usually very expensive. So is designer wear. Why? Because these items differentiate the wearer from others and people are willing to pay the price.

Cosmetic enhancements in-game should be priced very high because they are optional. People shouldn't be complaining about something that is not necessary to progress to the game. If some players are willing to pay a high price to set themselves apart from the crowd, let them. Remember, it's optional.

Hello, read what I said.

Expensive items should reflect status.

Status.

Motifs don't, you are just someone who was lucky enough to find one in a wardrobe/drawer/etc.

Jewellery, even when not made from precious metals and jewels, is a beautifully crafted item, often requiring the skills of a mastercraftsman. (just because there are thousands of these mastercraftsmen making them does not detract from their skill)

Designer clothes are much murkier, only having that value because the market says so. But still you can show off a designer suit/dress.

Motifs can't be shown off, yes you can wear the style, but can you prove you crafted it. Well not unless your selling it, and then the person buying it doesn't care if you made it, just whether it's the right piece of gear (and style) with the right traits and stats.

This means it's a completely different set up, it's like comparing Apples to Lambourghinis.
(I hate the phrase comparing Apples to Oranges, I mean both are edible, fruit and you get juice out of both of them, Apples & Oranges are entirely comparable)