All this talk about Nightblades are bad, maybe I am a good player?

JJDrakken · May 2014

I am a VR3 Nightblade Vampire with Destro Staff or as I call myself a Nightmage.

Lvl 50 in Shadow/Siphoning/Light Armor/Destruction Staff.

Lvl 10 Vampire/Mage's Guild.

My rotation for bar 1 is Destructive Clutch, Swallow Soul, Structured Entropy, Invigorating Drain, Dark Shades. Currently rotate between Soul Tether, Shatter Soul, or Ice Comet.

My rotation on bar 2 is: Swallow Soul, Shadow Silk, Twisting Path, Power Extraction, Dark Cloak. Rotation between Soul Tether, Bolstering Darkness, & Devouring Swarm.

I also have many other powers I'll toy with here & there. But for most part that is my rotation for powers. I've never felt under powered, though I have felt overwhelmed at times, for [snip] I should do.

Maybe it's cuz I am using ranged vs a melee build?

[edited for profanity bypass]

Liquid_Time · May 2014

I think if you read those posts a little better you will see the majority are complaining that "assassin" builds are troubling. I do not have this problem myself, but be prepared that they are not referring to wielding sticks.

alphawolph · May 2014

I was thinking the same thing. That people just suck, till i rolled a sorc and kill stuff so freaking fast it's ridiculous.

JJDrakken · May 2014

Wouldn't Teleport Strike+Destructive Touch(Fire Staff) work? Teleport Strike, Knock em back 10ft, Teleport Strike, rinse repeat? I am curious I should try that now.

Erock25 · May 2014

alphawolph wrote: »

I was thinking the same thing. That people just suck, till i rolled a sorc and kill stuff so freaking fast it's ridiculous.

At what level? Naturally, your second time through the low levels (1-40) you will do better with any class, because you are better.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · May 2014

Difference between a good VR NB and a bad. Vampire?

Darrett · May 2014

I've played Stamina DK, Healer Templar, DW/Bow NB, and Destruction Staff DK at VR levels.

Destruction DK is the strongest by far, followed by Stamina DK, DW Nightblade and Templar are well behind. The NB is much easier than the Templar, but they're probably about the same in strength.

alphawolph · May 2014

Erock25 wrote: »

alphawolph wrote: »

I was thinking the same thing. That people just suck, till i rolled a sorc and kill stuff so freaking fast it's ridiculous.

At what level? Naturally, your second time through the low levels (1-40) you will do better with any class, because you are better.

That's definitely true. My sorc is only in his teens but stuff dies in a two button rotation before they even reach me. It's all opinion but i find it way faster and I don't think he has died yet. My db has to nail a perfect rotation or he is dead.

My db is still my favorite though.

temjiu · May 2014

the reason is simple OP. you play with light armor and Destro staff. there are 3 things that guarantee success in ESO:

1) Destro staff
2) Light armor
3) Play a sorc or DK

3 is optional...as long as you have 1 and 2, most classes can make it. 3 ensures a smooth trip. if your DK at the moment, you can add to your success the ability to solo group dungeons in the "group trials" area.

balance is broke in this game. your successful because you were on the beneficial end of it. go play a DW NB or a 2h Templar so you can see the difference.

JJDrakken · May 2014

I play a lvl 32 DW Templar does that count? Not a single Aedric Spear power trained either.

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2014

alphawolph wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

alphawolph wrote: »

I was thinking the same thing. That people just suck, till i rolled a sorc and kill stuff so freaking fast it's ridiculous.

At what level? Naturally, your second time through the low levels (1-40) you will do better with any class, because you are better.

That's definitely true. My sorc is only in his teens but stuff dies in a two button rotation before they even reach me. It's all opinion but i find it way faster and I don't think he has died yet. My db has to nail a perfect rotation or he is dead.

My db is still my favorite though.

Youre also playing againts Mobs...

1.) They dont have the ability for complex thought
2.) The first time you ran through you got a good idea of what 'named' mob does what, and how to counter it.

Sorcs may be able to burn things down fast. But they also suffer from being easily beaten down when something gets in close and you cant easily run away.

Worstluck · May 2014

Yes. You are pro. You should make some how to videos and maybe think about joining MLG. All the Nightblades complaining about legitimate balance and melee issues at end game are just making it up.

Mablung · May 2014

I am a VR8 Nightblade and I know that I am a good one because:

I am DW/Bow
I use Volcanic Rune-the best nightblade ability bar none
I wear medium armor
I am a vampire
I said so

TheGrimaceOR · May 2014

Yeah any DW/Bow Nightblade without volcanic rune is doing things seriously wrong.

Mablung wrote: »

I am a VR8 Nightblade and I know that I am a good one because:
I am DW/Bow

I use Volcanic Rune-the best nightblade ability bar none

I wear medium armor

I am a vampire

I said so

concobar · May 2014

I am a VR7 Nightblade and I know that I am a good one because:
1. I am DW/Destruction Staff/Resto Staff
2. I use cloak of darkness-the best nightblade ability bar none
3. I wear medium armor
4. I am a vampire
5. I said so

AreoHotah · May 2014

you are NOT a nightblade your are a vampire nightblade. HUGE difference.

temjiu · May 2014

JJDrakken wrote: »

I play a lvl 32 DW Templar does that count? Not a single Aedric Spear power trained either.

fun build!

Sadly...you'll see a whole new game once you hit VR levels with that build. UNLESS...you are primarily using Templar skills (i.e. not the stamina ones), and wearing light armor. But if that's the case you are a magick Templar with daggers in his hands

I saw someone discussing their awesome 2h build that soloed VR once...checked into it...it was a DK with ONE 2h skill on the bar....charge. rest were the typical "EZ" modes skills in the DK's arsenal. and yeah, he wore light armor.

temjiu · May 2014

crai7er_boy_4lif3b16_ESO wrote: »

you are NOT a nightblade your are a vampire nightblade. HUGE difference.

Good point. forgot that.

anything + destro staff *Vampire = EZ mode.

Dayv · May 2014

I play a VR7 nightblade and I'm the most OP ever because I do

1 blacksmithing
2 woodworking
3 clothing
4 enchanting
5 Never leave the city
6 Make stuff for my DK and Sorc alts
7 I say so
8 Should have started doing this ages ago

monkeymystic · May 2014

Problem is that the majority of nightblade players run around with some random bow/dualwield build, without any understanding of how mechanics works. And then they [snip] and say "nerf everything else!1".

They dont know that other classes with good dps has to run with destro/resto actually work.

No class with bow/dual-wield has good dps.

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badmojo · May 2014

monkeymystic wrote: »

Problem is that the majority of nightblade players run around with some random bow/dualwield build, without any understanding of how mechanics works. And then they [snip] and say "nerf everything else!1".

They dont know that other classes with good dps has to run with destro/resto actually work.

No class with bow/dual-wield has good dps.

Of course they know, that's why they're complaining.

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Most_Awesome · May 2014

People just dont read, NB are fine 1-50 you can pull builds out your arse and still complete it to lv 50......BUT.....but.....when you hit Vet rank its a whole different ball game, if you want to still feel Godly then its LA and play as a mage, anything else is just a waste of time.
I can kill Lady Solice with 0% damage taken with melee woopy doo doesnt mean they are fine, other classes can solo 12man dungeons.

eNumbra · May 2014

monkeymystic wrote: »

Problem is that the majority of nightblade players run around with some random bow/dualwield build, without any understanding of how mechanics works. And then they [snip] and say "nerf everything else!1".

They dont know that other classes with good dps has to run with destro/resto actually work.

No class with bow/dual-wield has good dps.

Clearly a misunderstanding of mechanics and not an expectation of balance.

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AinGeal · May 2014

eNumbra wrote: »

monkeymystic wrote: »

Problem is that the majority of nightblade players run around with some random bow/dualwield build, without any understanding of how mechanics works. And then they [snip] and say "nerf everything else!1".

They dont know that other classes with good dps has to run with destro/resto actually work.

No class with bow/dual-wield has good dps.

Clearly a misunderstanding of mechanics and not an expectation of balance.

Or to put what eNumbra said another way...

Clearly a misunderstanding of mechanics and not an expectation of being able to "play how you want to play" and to be balanced when doing so.

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Mablung · May 2014

monkeymystic wrote: »

Problem is that the majority of nightblade players run around with some random bow/dualwield build, without any understanding of how mechanics works. And then they [snip] and say "nerf everything else!1".

They dont know that other classes with good dps has to run with destro/resto actually work.

No class with bow/dual-wield has good dps.

We absolutely know. A strong selling point of the game was to be able to play as you wanted. The class combinations were to be 'endless'. What you are suggesting is that there is a single, end-all, be-all, build for nightblades. Why should we have to resort to 1 singular build to play the game? Then at that, primarily use abilities outside of our class?

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czar · May 2014

monkeymystic wrote: »

And then they [snip] and say "nerf everything else!1".

no
they ask for buffs
dont blame nb players for [snip] and bad balancing choices
ughughgughggggg

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JJDrakken · May 2014

Did you have a stroke there at the end, Schip?

Axewaffle · May 2014

Well I am pulling competitive dps right now in endgame gear as a nightblade caster, and with these new buffs comming for us in a few days.. I expect to see a 20% dps increase or more... I think nightblades will be in a very, very good position PvE wise...

Cogo · May 2014

Good players has always been good at whatever they play in most MMOs.

Bad players are those who only can do things with OP skills, and is very common to leave the game if they get "nerfed" (Fixed)

I've seen this behaviour in many MMOs.

PantyHax0r · May 2014

What is your DPS against a boss, in a group?

Cogo · May 2014

You do all know that skill balance will be a constant factor any YOUR skill can change at any moment.

When the game introduce more skills, like the 2 guilds and/ spells. You can BET that skills gets changed around to balance the whole.

Play what you feel is right for you...thats the first suggestion Zenimax gives you about choosing a race/class and skills in ESO.