Block is NOT working for me

EvilEmpire
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I've alluded to this in other posts that I felt like Block had no effect since the patch, and a fella told me he thought it might just be a timing/animation situation.

So I thought I would do a test just to see if it was just that.
My char is VR7, and I'm wearing all VR6 epic or legendary gear (crafted with set bonuses). My health is just below 2200, Spell resist is overcapped at 1963 and armor is overcapped at 1788.
I am on the quest 'The Seal of Three' entering the Tribunal Temple.
As soon as you go in, on the left is a mob called Watcher


No buffs, and armor fully repaired in between each test.


First test, I just stood there and held block. Nothing else.
Mob did 642 damage every hit per Death Recap (notice in top left, the Combat Log says 642 and then a 715). This is all while just standing there and holding block.

The second test, I just stood there. No attacking, no nothing, just ate the damage. The mob is doing the same damage to me. 642 damage with a 715 hit in the mix. He also hit for around 117-126 with other attacks. Oddly enough, it took him MORE hits to kill me just standing there not blocking, but that was prob because he threw the lower attack 'Doom-Truth's Gaze' a few times, as show in the death recap (notice the combat log stats on upper left).


I did both tests multiple times, and the results were the same every time.
No matter if I'm blocking or not, the damage dealt to me is the same, generally 642 damage per hit.


I'm curious if this is just happening to me, or if these results are the same for everyone. To me, it seems clear that Block no longer actually does anything and my sword and board char build is essentially pointless.
  • LadyDestiny
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    Yes, I know for a fact it is screwed up and not working properly in VR zones. NPC's totally ignore it and mow you over. I know it is a tougher zone, but seriously. block is block....
  • EvilEmpire
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    I am hopeful that some other folks can test this as I'm dying to know if this is widespread, or just me, or perhaps just the area I'm in.
  • Vantor
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    This is pure speculation but some attacks may be undefendable. A perfect example would be the charge attack from the Vamp boss in Veteran Spindleclutch (Vorenor Winterbourne).
    Edited by Vantor on May 30, 2014 4:26PM
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  • SwordBlaster
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    I can only say that yesterday (i like to switch combat styles) fought some time just blocking and counterattacking and worked as expected with mobs and so.
    Soy maybe it's something with that boss or attack
  • EvilEmpire
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    I can understand that some bosses do have attacks that are undefendable, but this testing was done against a regular mob, right inside the door (first mob you get to)
  • SwordBlaster
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    I'm VR4 at Deshaan now, but haven't discovered the Tribunal Temple yet. I could try.
  • SwordBlaster
    SwordBlaster
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    I was confused :) already did that quest so can't try it, sorry
  • Ragnar_Lodbrok
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    Yes they nerfed block and 1h and shield to uselessness. Thanks pvpers.
  • crevaini
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    Im currently vr7 and questing in glenumbra.my block doesnt seem to work as well..the animation is there but im still loosing the same hp as if i dont block..this has also happened alot with trash mobs the last few days.
  • EvilEmpire
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    I would like to find out if this issue is even on their radar or if they just assume it's people whining that bash got nerfed. Nerfed is one thing, but completely non-effective or non-functioning is entirely different. @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
  • redwoodtreesprite
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    Been noticing block not working right on my low levels as well. Very undependable.
  • Ragnar_Lodbrok
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    It hasnt worked since they nerfed us. Had to stop tanking.
  • Thechemicals
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    That addon your using is supposed to say "you blocked for xxx dmg". That attack either is unblockable, you didnt block, or its a bug.
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  • zeuseason
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    I noticed this too. It hasn't been a problem for me yet, but often even when a mob is loading up for a big attack and I block, it seems to do the exact same damage as not blocking.
  • Niliu
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    That addon your using is supposed to say "you blocked for xxx dmg". That attack either is unblockable, you didnt block, or its a bug.

    So all these people saying that regular mobs are doing the same damage through blocks are fighting bosses with unblockable attacks eh?
    Gimme back my sweetroll or so help me
  • Ragnar_Lodbrok
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    Niliu wrote: »
    That addon your using is supposed to say "you blocked for xxx dmg". That attack either is unblockable, you didnt block, or its a bug.

    So all these people saying that regular mobs are doing the same damage through blocks are fighting bosses with unblockable attacks eh?

    He is just being a troll, he obviously doesnt tank so is clueless how broken tanks are
  • Tavore1138
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    I think it just is just some combats, basically anything that has one or more red dots by the name where damage is scary high and blocks and other things do not work.

    Mind you I was in pre-VR Rivenspire earlier and took 1462 damage from a level 31 Ice Atronach so I am guessing Craglorn FUBAR'd lots of things.
  • Ragnar_Lodbrok
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    I think it just is just some combats, basically anything that has one or more red dots by the name where damage is scary high and blocks and other things do not work.

    Mind you I was in pre-VR Rivenspire earlier and took 1462 damage from a level 31 Ice Atronach so I am guessing Craglorn FUBAR'd lots of things.

    Block doesnt work on regular vr mobs.
  • EvilEmpire
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    That addon your using is supposed to say "you blocked for xxx dmg". That attack either is unblockable, you didnt block, or its a bug.

    I'm new to this addon so ty, as I didn't know that. I was most certainly blocking in the first screenshot, or rather the animation showed that I was blocking
  • FayaSDL
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    For the most part block is working for me.
    What it doesnt seem to block/resist at all is magic/spell damage.
    And further on, for the most part VR1-9 mobs seem to ignore most of the armor/spell resists and casters are fully ignoring character spell resist.
    So fix the recognition of resists to fix the problem.
  • EvilEmpire
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    FayaSDL wrote: »
    For the most part block is working for me.
    What it doesnt seem to block/resist at all is magic/spell damage.
    And further on, for the most part VR1-9 mobs seem to ignore most of the armor/spell resists and casters are fully ignoring character spell resist.
    So fix the recognition of resists to fix the problem.

    Very interesting. I hope they take that tidbit and test. Great info, ty
  • Ragnar_Lodbrok
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    EvilEmpire wrote: »
    FayaSDL wrote: »
    For the most part block is working for me.
    What it doesnt seem to block/resist at all is magic/spell damage.
    And further on, for the most part VR1-9 mobs seem to ignore most of the armor/spell resists and casters are fully ignoring character spell resist.
    So fix the recognition of resists to fix the problem.

    Very interesting. I hope they take that tidbit and test. Great info, ty

    Explain why we cant get our blocks up when fighting/using skills in time to block anything? Are shield users not supposed to attack?
  • Cogo
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    Block works fine. I put several skillpoints in improving it + enchant to improve it.

    AS long as I have stamina, my block protects me very well.
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  • Ragnar_Lodbrok
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    Cogo wrote: »
    Block works fine. I put several skillpoints in improving it + enchant to improve it.

    AS long as I have stamina, my block protects me very well.

    I have every applicable skill point in it and no it is not working.
  • Cogo
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    Wierd. Feedback it. Maybe your skills/char is broken? Serious now....

    Cause it works very well for me.
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  • EvilEmpire
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    Cogo wrote: »
    Block works fine. I put several skillpoints in improving it + enchant to improve it.

    AS long as I have stamina, my block protects me very well.

    I have every applicable skill point in it and no it is not working.

    Same with me - all possible points and skill line at 50, and I'll be honest, that's exactly how I am feeling. It just seems like it is doing absolutely nothing. I guess I'll put a ticket in for it. I haven't yet, as I wanted to get an idea from others their experience with it, in case it was just me, and also was hoping to get some insight from zos in case it was already something known.
    Edited by EvilEmpire on May 30, 2014 11:53PM
  • Kara
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    It doesn’t seem to be doing much for me, damage-wise (just the counter for power attacks). But I just figured and it could very well be I’m just doing something wrong. *shrug*
  • gotgk
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    I think it just is just some combats, basically anything that has one or more red dots by the name where damage is scary high and blocks and other things do not work.

    Mind you I was in pre-VR Rivenspire earlier and took 1462 damage from a level 31 Ice Atronach so I am guessing Craglorn FUBAR'd lots of things.

    Combat is general is broken. The ability lag, ability lockouts, weaponswapping failure or delay, broken block, mobs not casting any basic attacks(heavy/specials back to back to back), mobs not telegraphing spells or heavy attacks in many cases, etc.

    If you want to progress in VR5+ right now you pretty much have to play a cheese spec with cc/dps chaining, volcanic rune spam, etc. And even then, it's a nerdrage-inducing exercise.

    It's just very bad right now. I cancelled when they turned my Templar's jabs into a self stun (on top of everything else), and I've seen things getting nothing but worse since. Was hoping to have a reason to resub.

    We'll see how that patch goes on Monday, I guess. But my expectations at this point are astronomically low right now, so grats on that I guess.
  • EvilEmpire
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    I believe Faya is correct, or at least it would seem that is the case on my further limited testing. Seems like I was blocking melee attacks, but cannot block any magicka attacks, which I suspect the original Watcher would've been attacking with.

    Haven't tested anything yet this morning. Still trying to find the notes for what got patched today.
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