Tootall2186 wrote: »

Use your other utilities at our disposal to make up the dps difference. Then learn to play with more than one skill.

Would you mind posting your melee DPS build? Which ability did you substitute for biting jabs? Or are you still using it, and just coping with the 1.2 seconds of vulnerability after each cast?

It's a silly change but I only used it for my offhand weapon set and they are going to kind of fix it anyway.

I'm more holding out for a future re-balancing of the class

i don't use biting jabs anymore. its mediocre skill at best imo. though it should not be nerfed more for those who use it.

I am leveling up a dark elf sorcerer. Turned it into a vampire at 18 and it really rocks. I still play the V5 Templar (melee dps 1H+shield) in groups (if I can find one that will have me) but soloing 3 mobs is a joke now, 2 is a coin toss. I could probably make him playable but it is the third build on him now and skill points don't come easy in the VR levels.

I really don't see any logical reason they stealth nerfed the Templars. We have lower DPS and healing ability than the other classes.

I've got plenty of alts, and my DK is insanely powerful, so having fun with that. I'll just jump from whatever was nerfed to whatever is most powerful as they attempt to balance the game.

Tootall2186 wrote: »

Use your other utilities at our disposal to make up the dps difference. Then learn to play with more than one skill.

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I didn't hardly notice a change at all but I use several other abilities too and never relied on just biting jabs to get the job done. It's in my rotation and by the time I use the other 2 or 3 abilities it's ready to use again.
I don't see what the big deal is that they nerfed it a little bit.

I had already realized that Templar was a caster class and that melee stinks all around, so I had already swapped to light armor, desrostaff, and all ranged abilities anyway. Just like with my Sorc, my strategy is keep enemies far away. In fact, everything about my Templar is just like my Sorc, except for the heals and the way-less DPS.

When I answer that I "don't mind the change," what I mean is I don't mind this particular change. It is, however, part of a much larger problem, a problem I mind quite a bit.

How unlikely im gonna quit my templar, i dont like the changes at all
And if it does not get fixed asap, well then ZoS can say goodbye to my money

lol the 35% that say they dont mind are other players with other classes as their mains.

"Learn to play your class..." Take away 1 thing from their class, and its the end of the world. Just wait and see when Bolt Escape and Talons etc gets nerfed beyond recognition, wont be that easy anymore I guess then..

Lilth wrote: »

Tootall2186 wrote: »

Use your other utilities at our disposal to make up the dps difference. Then learn to play with more than one skill.

^
I didn't hardly notice a change at all but I use several other abilities too and never relied on just biting jabs to get the job done. It's in my rotation and by the time I use the other 2 or 3 abilities it's ready to use again.
I don't see what the big deal is that they nerfed it a little bit.

interesting seeing how jabs is locking other skills (even light attack) from being used. how exactly are you using 2 or 3 abilities in that lockout time.

Jeremy_gelber_ESO wrote: »

Lilth wrote: »

Tootall2186 wrote: »

Use your other utilities at our disposal to make up the dps difference. Then learn to play with more than one skill.

^
I didn't hardly notice a change at all but I use several other abilities too and never relied on just biting jabs to get the job done. It's in my rotation and by the time I use the other 2 or 3 abilities it's ready to use again.
I don't see what the big deal is that they nerfed it a little bit.

interesting seeing how jabs is locking other skills (even light attack) from being used. how exactly are you using 2 or 3 abilities in that lockout time.

I use a destruction staff so I use wall of elements, sun fire or solar flare from dawns wrath skill line, spear shards or piercing javelin from aedric spear depending on the encounter. I switch skills with other skills from different skill lines as needed. That is why I didn't notice the change as much as someone who uses all abilities from just the aedric spear line.

My Bowplar build is still working well. I can handle a mob of 3 in VR with some strategy. But my melee build is destroyed. I am wasting tons of gold and time and effort trying to level up and experiment with different skills and options and I just cannot seem to find anything that works good for melee. VR zones are a very unforgiving place to experiment.

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

So.......notice a trend here? Everyone that's ok with these changes/not ok but are still playing are either using staffs or nontemplar skills.

Ggnore zos.

Ggnore

Exactly. I do use mostly templar skills. I use one that isn't. I can see where it would be an issue as pure melee if it is locking you out of using any other ability. I didn't realize it was doing that I'd hope ZOS didn't intend for that to happen because that's pretty harsh especially in vet rank content.

Templar is the only class I have leveled. I'm VR 3.. mostly healer based. The three damage skills I have on my bar are two from Dawn's Wrath (first two skills, morphed for multi-target damage), and biting jabs. I use a resto staff for a weapon, and have a skill on my bar that I don't use frequently, but am leveling up for healing purposes, and the breath of life (burst heal with no cooldown) for when I do take damage. Full light armor.. I leveled without ever touching biting jabs until they nerfed it and the forums were all about how Templars are broken.. and then it went on my bar to see just how bad it is. It's still better than the other abilities I have been using (which actually means it's staying on my bar now, so yay for that), and as far as I've read they're reverting the delay and adding an increased magicka cost.. so the nerf isn't really bad save for maybe the people that spammed the skill.

As I've said in other postings.. that isn't to say that Templars are amazing, or out DPS other classes, or come close to the DPS of Sorc/DK. They need a buff, not denying that. Saying they're unplayable though, is simply not true.

And before anyone discounts my opinion because I use a resto staff instead of a melee weapon, the poll was about changes to Templars, not melee Templars. Even assuming it was about melee Templars, two of the three skills I've been using to damage do require melee range, and all three damaging skills I use are from the Templar tree. No I'm not a dps Templar, but this appears to be more about the ability to kill things in general (without being killed), and not who pulls (or which Templar build) the highest dps.

zeuseason wrote: »

I have a roughly level 15 templar and it seems to me that the biggest things templars are missing is aoe. Dealing with 3 pack mobs are an issue, even with bitting jabs on the bar.

Class based AoE Damage breakdown:

Templar
Restoring Light
None. This isn't even a damage tree.

Aedric Spear
Puncturing Strikes (and its morphs) - Cone AoE Damage.
Explosive Charge (Focused Charge Morph) - Target based AoE damage at point of impact.
Spear Shards (and its morphs) - Placable target based AoE damage.
Sun Shield - Point Blank AoE damage. Extra damgage at effect end with Blazing Shield morph.
Radial Sweep (Ultimate) - Point Blank AoE Damage.

Dawn's Wrath
Reflective Light (Sun Fire Morph) - Long ranged target based AoE
Solar Barrage (Solar Flare Morph) - Point Blank AoE Damage.
Unstable Core (Eclipse Morph) - Target based AoE damage at effect end.
Searing Light (Blinding Light Morph) - Point Blank AoE damage.
Nova (Ultiamte) - Placable target Based AoE damage.

Other non class available options include:
Fire Rune & Meteor from Mages Guild line.
Dawnbreaker from Fighters Guild line.
Undaunted Necrotic Orb undaunted line.
Shatter Soul Ultiamte Soul Magic line.
Virtually ever weapon skill line other than 1H Shield or Resto staff has at least 1 AoE attack.

So my question to you is this... in what world are Templars missing AoE? Or is it that you simply do not like any of these options?

Edit: Up until nearly VR levels you can simply faceroll your way through the entire game with Reflective Light spam from range with any magicka based build.

Literally stand at max range and spam Reflective light 5 or 6 times. You will finish this before any of the mobs get close to you thanks to the inherent snare. Also be sure to cursor target different mobs on each recast so that all of them also get the DoT effect too and not just the direct damage component.

I have yet to find any group of 3 mobs that can survive this. Boss mobs will survive it, with none of their helpers in tact and maybe at half life. At this time you can consider using any of the other 4 buttons plus ultimate on your bar.