Nightblade Update

Selodaoc · May 2014

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

If the Sorc gets a moment to bolt escape, i let him go and turn to a new enemy.

There. If you dont manage to kill a sorc in that little time you have after your initial attack, a sorc can either knock you down and kill you in seconds.
Or just bolt away.

In a straight up fight without stealth opener, Nightblades doesnt have much to say.

One Two · May 2014

I love the fact that most of the NB community thinks its A OK and loves it.
There is only a handful that want it fixed, the sheer amount of posts that think its a viable class is shocking. (outside of this thread)

Anyway today i got to move on from ESO, thanks ZOS.

HandofBane · May 2014

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

I also think people have not really read the post clearly. The first half explains changes in some of the uncommon abilities that will be changed by 1.2. Then it goes into known issues and each say they will be fixed in future patches. So the known bugs we will see patched and fixed over time. Some ability adjustments we wont see until 1.2. Thats how I am reading it. @zos_jessicafolsom help me out? am I interpreting this right?

Sorry if it was unclear. The first bullet point are things we have fixes for, and those fixes will go out with patch 1.2, though we are trying to get the most important ones pushed out earlier.

Below that is a clarification, calling out some changes that went in with patch 1.1.2.

And below that is a list of outstanding issues that we are aware of and working on solutions for.

So still looking at 1.2, in a month or more, to get any real fixes in place. Well, so long and thanks for all the fish.

Travisty420 · May 2014

zazamalek wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

content patch 1.2.X.

This is extremely disheartening. For the next month (likely longer) we will basically be unable to enjoy the game as much as other classes.

I'm seriously considering asking support to just switch out my NB to a DK or a Sorc because at the moment the class is absolutely no fun to play - it's just frustrating. I really need to get my subs-worth and NB isn't cutting it. Playing NB is a chore, not leisure.

no its not u wont enjoy yer class its that you wont get to do craglorn/trials as a NB cause no one wants them its all DK/Sorc

OkieDokie · May 2014

captain_awesome wrote: »

OkieDokie wrote: »

I'm not pointing out how anyone should play, I just have to say there are some conceptual errors in some comments.

SNIP

The medium armor stubborn issues is unacceptable. Yes, sure, you want to play with the worst armor in the game. Go for it. But be aware you are choosing the worst armor. Period.

SNIP

What a ridiculous statement.

You think that they put 30% of the armour in this game as a trap for the unwary or the people that wanted to play as a rogue?

You think they put dual wield, bow and 2h in game as a trap for newbs to waste their time on?

They "Zos" must make it all viable, they must make it work.
It's blatantly obvious that whoever is in charge of class balance is a skinny Bosmer healer obsessed with Harry potter movies. Right now I've never seen such outrageous imbalance in a game. It's incredible you don't see it.

If they don't fix this mess ASAP (I'm talking the next few weeks) we few that remain will all be running around in light armour, destro staff in one slot and resto staff in the other.

Oh wait, that's pretty much what I see in game right now....

No, I don't think it was an intended trap and I made it very clear in my post, you just ignored it or...whatever.

It is an inferior set compared to others, we are all aware. So why would someone keep doing it over and over and expect different results? "Ah, I want to play it my way". Great, go for it, but you already know it will not work that good.

However, it is not a class issue, it is just unbalanced game mechanics. Even if they change this, it will take forever. I want my NB balanced before 2020. Mixing complains about dw/medium armor with class balance will get us nowhere. You can always create a topic, gather your arguments, I bet changes of changing it will be higher than mixing with class issues.

What matters for class balance is increase in damage and synergy between class skills, correct that bad judgement with weapon crit, and reduce the nerf in damage for siphoning strikes would also help a lot in sustainable dps.

Give us your awesome suggestions for a change...

Cogo · May 2014

I dont get you people. First you screaming about any comments from Zenimax.
Not only do they comment, but gives you point by point list what is getting fixed/changed and even WHY.

Then they add that there are issues they are still looking at. My guess is balance as a whole. Long term thinking.

You do NOT get this service from many MMOs. Not this well, fast, and open to suggestions. Even ASKING certain players about their experience, so they can add that to the list to fix?

And btw, even with a "broken" class, some sort of skilled player would find a way to be useful anyway.

Stop complaining when they are serving you with the answers. And ANYONE who played ANY MMO from start knows that its mostly FAR worse then this. And in most cases you do not get a pip from the DEVS, other then "they are working on it, the end".

You have your answer. The patch will come. Then, when something still dont work AS INTENDED, do a feedback and Zenimax has proven again and again that they take this into consideration and by YOUR input might make a small change.

You do not get anywhere close to this personal communication, openmindness towards players and their work to decide if the fix is good enough and will working, to putting this into words for the community manager to communiate with us.....VERY FAST.

I would would go so far to please ask anyone who replies to their communication with us, when they are so detailed, in any other manner then very polite. I want to keep this service. Not loose it.

Hostel_Striker · May 2014

Entire population is stuck staring at a character load screen right now......

SapperStew · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

I dont get you people.

It's ok. Nobody gets why you participate in every thread with massive walls of text defending every single action everybody at Zenimax and their third cousin makes.

You act like you're 8 and they all wear capes, man. Damn,

WTB ignore button.

Attorneyatlawl · May 2014

zazamalek wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

content patch 1.2.X.

This is extremely disheartening. For the next month (likely longer) we will basically be unable to enjoy the game as much as other classes.

I'm seriously considering asking support to just switch out my NB to a DK or a Sorc because at the moment the class is absolutely no fun to play - it's just frustrating. I really need to get my subs-worth and NB isn't cutting it. Playing NB is a chore, not leisure.

Loving my vr7 nb, it's a joy in cyro, and I've been having an easy time with him in pve. Nb takes a little more planning and gear loadout than MAX MAGIC I WIN. They are reportedly great raid dips too, I play my dk on them so far due to it being my main though.

glitchmaster999 · May 2014

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

zazamalek wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

content patch 1.2.X.

This is extremely disheartening. For the next month (likely longer) we will basically be unable to enjoy the game as much as other classes.

I'm seriously considering asking support to just switch out my NB to a DK or a Sorc because at the moment the class is absolutely no fun to play - it's just frustrating. I really need to get my subs-worth and NB isn't cutting it. Playing NB is a chore, not leisure.

Loving my vr7 nb, it's a joy in cyro, and I've been having an easy time with him in pve. Nb takes a little more planning and gear loadout than MAX MAGIC I WIN. They are reportedly great raid dips too, I play my dk on them so far due to it being my main though.

I have been left out of raid groups because im a nightblade, their dps is sub par to a sorc and a dragonknight... We arent saying we arent having fun, they work but they are just worst than the other classes in almost every way.

Worstluck · May 2014

Yep ^^

One Two · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

I dont get you people. First you screaming about any comments from Zenimax.
Not only do they comment, but gives you point by point list what is getting fixed/changed and even WHY.

Then they add that there are issues they are still looking at. My guess is balance as

BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA

munity manager to communiate with us.....VERY FAST.

I would would go so far to please ask anyone who replies to their communication with us, when they are so detailed, in any other manner then very polite. I want to keep this service. Not loose it.

Wild Star dev team do, they have their own forum section for each class and talk about it. So don't talk like ZOS is doing US a favor, their not.

lol you truly must be 8.

Back On topic:
I don't even know who is the lead designer for the NB, has he been told yet that he SCREWED UP?

What are the dev's up to? what is their plan...it sure can't be that atrocious thing on page 1, right at the top...that must be a joke.

Anzer · May 2014

One Two wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

I dont get you people. First you screaming about any comments from Zenimax.
Not only do they comment, but gives you point by point list what is getting fixed/changed and even WHY.

Then they add that there are issues they are still looking at. My guess is balance as

BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA

munity manager to communiate with us.....VERY FAST.

I would would go so far to please ask anyone who replies to their communication with us, when they are so detailed, in any other manner then very polite. I want to keep this service. Not loose it.

Wild Star dev team do, they have their own forum section for each class and talk about it. So don't talk like ZOS is doing US a favor, their not.

lol you truly must be 8.

Back On topic:
I don't even know who is the lead designer for the NB, has he been told yet that he SCREWED UP?

What are the dev's up to? what is their plan...it sure can't be that atrocious thing on page 1, right at the top...that must be a joke.

Nope, that seems to be pretty much it.
"What, Leeching Strikes heals 2.4% HP when the tooltip states 4%? F*** it, they're still getting heals from it, right? We don't even care and won't add it to known issues.
Oh, they have no group utility? F*** it, they're NB, they should be running around by themselves and not wanting to play with other classes.
They're saying their damage is worse than every other class? F*** it, they have a broken stealth mechanic, they'll survive."

Enjoy my Imperial Edition $$$ and 3-month sub $$, because that is all the $ you will see from me.

Glissando · May 2014

The lack of communication by ZoS on this thread is disheartening.
Post something,anything.

The NB class is utter crap and everybody and their cousins knows that.Just give the community a bone,something to cling on until you at least TRY to fix this freaking class.You just stay in silence and don't say anything,it's like you want the vast majority of the NB players to just quit your game,and eventually they will,because it is unplayable.

glitchmaster999 · May 2014

Glissando wrote: »

The lack of communication by ZoS on this thread is disheartening.
Post something,anything.

The NB class is utter crap and everybody and their cousins knows that.Just give the community a bone,something to cling on until you at least TRY to fix this freaking class.You just stay in silence and don't say anything,it's like you want the vast majority of the NB players to just quit your game,and eventually they will,because it is unplayable.

Are you kidding? They posted the original changes and then posted with clarification when someone was confused... you can't expect them to stay here and respond to everything...

Evergreen · May 2014

Deathstroke was nerfed because it was critical striking too high from stealth but it was nerfed so hard that now it crits for less than many other classes regular skills. Take the sorc skill Crystal Fragments which hits as hard as an ultimate, much harder than the NB ultimate Deathstroke and can be spammed. Here is a death recap of Crystal Fragments from some pvp today. Give us one non ultimate awesome skill like Crystal Fragments or Dark Talons.

Glissando · May 2014

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

Glissando wrote: »

The lack of communication by ZoS on this thread is disheartening.
Post something,anything.

The NB class is utter crap and everybody and their cousins knows that.Just give the community a bone,something to cling on until you at least TRY to fix this freaking class.You just stay in silence and don't say anything,it's like you want the vast majority of the NB players to just quit your game,and eventually they will,because it is unplayable.

Are you kidding? They posted the original changes and then posted with clarification when someone was confused... you can't expect them to stay here and respond to everything...

No,i am not kidding,i am frustrated.I log in,i'm vet 10 and i have a NB stamina build.
It's worse than all the other classes in every aspect. On DW i cannot for the life of me go higher than 350-400 dps,no matter what i do. Don't get me started on the bow dps.

I understand that we can't all be awesome as DK and sorcs when it comes to aoe,but at least give me something to be good at.And sorry if i don't wanna heal with my assassin...it's just wrong on every aspect.

Yeah,i want them to post once in a while and say "hey guys look,we're going to do this or that or SOMETHING"

screw this,i have 43 days left on my subscription...so they have that time to fix this crap.

shad0w18 · May 2014

I think a simple would just to create an AoE 'Sap' which will effectively allow us to 1v1 mobs in PvE. Call it smokebomb or something and limit it to affect 3-4 mobs. In PvP, the normal break CC via stamina will break it.

drowned.thought_ESO · May 2014

stevenpotter321b14_ESO wrote: »

I thought the complaint was leeching strikes only giving 2.4% health back instead of 4%, not siphoning strikes restoring health.

Yeah, I noticed that as well. Should be healing me a whole lot more than it is.

Blinks · May 2014

You know whats gonna happen though, The next patch will more than likely be a "FIX" patch on like 3-4 skills and nothing done about damage out-put what so ever. So that's another 2+ month wait before anythings even been done. I don't understand why they can't release a patch for NB when they've actually fixed stuff for us. Instead of waiting to release it with a huge one. Or even better... maybe they could have a team specifically working on NB issues and abilities. BET YOU DIDN'T THINK OF THAT DID YOU ZOS!

CapuchinSeven · May 2014

davidetombab16_ESO wrote: »

the total absence of the devs is a shame

er you mean, other than those parts where ZOS tell us the changes/fixes we've had, will be coming in the next few patches and in the near future...?

Glissando · May 2014

wtf near future are you talking about? The class is completely broken.They're gonna fix the shadowy disguise bug?Cool,awesome.We're still THE WORTHLESS CLASS IN GAME,even if all the skills will work properly you won`t be able to compete with DK or Sorc as a dps.That's the real problem,not the fact that haste doesn't apply to ranged weapons.

Uisi · May 2014

In my opinion we don't have to play a broken class, unsubscribe for a time and let ZOS know why we temporarily drop the payment. When they will see the money go they will listen to they customers. If we pay for a broken product is our fault.

HandofBane · May 2014

razvarseb17_ESO wrote: »

In my opinion we don't have to play a broken class, unsubscribe for a time and let ZOS know why we temporarily drop the payment. When they will see the money go they will listen to they customers. If we pay for a broken product is our fault.

Unfortunately the only way to let them know why you are unsubbing is posting here - which is amusingly enough against their posting rules as a "goodbye/quitting thread". There is no cancellation survey/feedback option, I can confirm this as of yesterday.

glitchmaster999 · May 2014

HandofBane wrote: »

razvarseb17_ESO wrote: »

In my opinion we don't have to play a broken class, unsubscribe for a time and let ZOS know why we temporarily drop the payment. When they will see the money go they will listen to they customers. If we pay for a broken product is our fault.

Unfortunately the only way to let them know why you are unsubbing is posting here - which is amusingly enough against their posting rules as a "goodbye/quitting thread". There is no cancellation survey/feedback option, I can confirm this as of yesterday.

That really does sound like something they should add. It would sort the threats from the actual quitters.

Evident · May 2014

So can all of us Nightblades get a free class change when the patch fails?

danreckerpreub18_ESO · May 2014

Eh, my NB is my main - At this point, i'm glad she is. I'll have all tradeskills maxed by saturday afternoon, i'll be focusing on my DK now that her horses are close to fully fed - more skill points to play with :P

Pangnirtung · May 2014

Could part of the problem be that for the most part ESO is a magica based game while NB's are/should be primarily stamina based?

How about making mobs and bosses more magic resistant and less so to physical attacks? Just my two cents as a VR6 NB who is gimped but is having lots of fun playing.

Glissando · May 2014

Pangnirtung wrote: »

Could part of the problem be that for the most part ESO is a magica based game while NB's are/should be primarily stamina based?

How about making mobs and bosses more magic resistant and less so to physical attacks? Just my two cents as a VR6 NB who is gimped but is having lots of fun playing.

Why would you want to nerf Sorcs? Just buff the damn Bow/DW and make the damn NB class skills scale with stamina.

HardLord · May 2014

When asked why the magical skills nb work as physical , ie are not affected by light armor, skills and magic crit does not affect them and the physical.