There's no real necessity to group up on VR, only for Dolmens and certain public dungeons as well as elites, but the rest of the content is fairly soloable. That is until they decide to throw some heavy duty monsters your way, instance it all and pit you against foes you really can't handle on your own.

And then you come to VR 10, enter Craglorn, and find out that unless you're lucky to really have a group of 4, you're not going anywhere in questing.

I haven't grouped at all and now V9 without ever exploiting the AOE grinds. Purely through questing. Only groups I have been in are for the 4 player instanced dungeons. I even solo public dungeons if I get the chance. Everyone told me Vet content was super hard. Nope, if anything it gets easier.

Guppet wrote: »

Hilgara wrote: »

I haven't grouped at all and now V9 without ever exploiting the AOE grinds. Purely through questing. Only groups I have been in are for the 4 player instanced dungeons. I even solo public dungeons if I get the chance. Everyone told me Vet content was super hard. Nope, if anything it gets easier.

Just to be clear, are you actually saying Vet content is easier that the 1-50?

For me its bout the same but I have developed better stratergies and skills for specific content now in vet. I use Wkykkyds outfitter and have a different bar for groups, AOE, boss's, traps,....etc so yeah I'm dying less now than I was levelling to 50.

Hilgara wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Hilgara wrote: »

I haven't grouped at all and now V9 without ever exploiting the AOE grinds. Purely through questing. Only groups I have been in are for the 4 player instanced dungeons. I even solo public dungeons if I get the chance. Everyone told me Vet content was super hard. Nope, if anything it gets easier.

Just to be clear, are you actually saying Vet content is easier that the 1-50?

For me its bout the same but I have developed better stratergies and skills for specific content now in vet. I use Wkykkyds outfitter and have a different bar for groups, AOE, boss's, traps,....etc so yeah I'm dying less now than I was levelling to 50.

Now im really curious.

Mind telling us your class and build?

Axer wrote: »

Yep.

Pretty backwards game really.

1-50 they almost plain 100% tell you:
DO NOT GROUP. GROUP CONTENT IS BAD!
I mean the dungeons are so horribly unrewarding. No quests share properly, grouping cuases severe bugs.. etc

Yet once you reach VR:
Dungeons are very rewarding. Grouping is important as difficult is high, and generally the endgame content is all geared towards social player.

Really I'd give this game a
5/10 for level1-50. It's what angry joe gave the gam and I 100% agree for what he played of it. Then for V1-12+: 8/10.

Gets way more fun at VR, when it actually becomes an mmo.

Very medicore single player game. Great multiplayer one.

Needs a ton of improvement on the social tools aspect imo. but otherwise works well.

I reverse that score. I loved the 1-50 experience. You didn't have to group for regular quest and could explore to your heart's content. Not so for VR. I'm sorry, but I am not a "hardcore mmo gamer" like you. Grouping for dungeons, bosses, dolmens? Sure I love it. Forcing us to group to take down TRASH MOBS in regular questing? No. Just no.

Wow. Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said I never wanted to group. I never said I wanted it to be only a single player game. I wouldn't sub to it if this was the case. However I do not want to group for EVERYTHING in vet content. Its not practical because the maps are huge and people are naturally going to want to go off and do their own thing. There is nothing wrong with that, I am not "ruining" the mmo...and there is certainly no excuse for the insults.

Thankfully, elite players such as yourself who want EVERY trash mob to be an "epic fight" are a minority. Most don't want to group for the entirety of vet content.

Worstluck wrote: »

I think most of you are mistaken. Craglorn, the VR11-12 area is most definitely meant to be group content. Veteran content 1-10 like questing can be a completely solo experience. I grouped up for bosses, dolmens, public dungeons, but you shouldn't need a group to do quests, especially with all the phasing issues.

No this is simply not true, the development has said as much themselves: VR content is supposed to be tougher and designed more for grouping. Zenimax said this themselves.

I am on the verge of becoming a VR12 (several more quests) and in the very last veteran zone in the third alliance... I have solo'd pretty much everything unless a friend asked for help. Heck I even solo'd some quests in Craglorn but also did some grouping there, then again I didn't do everything there, as I find it a really good place to farm for items to breakdown and craft. BTW I'm a DW NB, my secondary right now is Bow, but that's because I am leveling it to 50, 2 more ranks to go. And I'm also a vampire. NB and Vamp both have severe drawbacks, but also a lot of strengths. It's all about playstyle and tactics. If you don't like to play tactical, even in 3+ mob fights, it will become tough for you. If you learn your character well and know when to use what or what you can switch to for harder fights it should all be manageable. In this final zone, I rarely see anyone since most are in Craglorn atm and that is fine for me. I do all solo dungeons, solo as well. I don't self heal much other than vamp drain once in a while, batswarm if it's truly needed but it's not my primary Ultimate. I also don't use ultimates much unless it's a new one I am learning the ins and outs of. I use 1 fire resistance ring with a legendary glyph on it but whether vamp or not I'd never suggest standing in fire LOL. I also analyze situations and have some abilities on at least one or both of my bars at all times just incase I walk into a surprise. My point is, if a Dual-Wielding Nightblade Vamp can solo the game, it's possible for anyone. You just need to explore more skills, weapons, and analyze your tactics for improvement if you are having trouble.

Also I'd like to add, I know some people will use the same weapon with two bars.... however I prefer 1 melee set and 1 ranged set at all times. I block heavy attacks for an easy stun then I will take that time to switch weapons, set up another stun, or unleash a fury of attacks to obliterate the enemy. Also, when you see a group of 3 for example... take out the one that may cause the biggest headache for you. An archer who runs off and shoots from a distance or mage that summons creatures/undead, or really any mage are good to target initially. As you see a heavy attack from one of the other two, block it to stun them to finish killing your target and then move on to the next most dangerous. I have no specific method for every fight, but I prepare for anything and everything in this game when encountering enemies and bosses so that I can defeat them and move on.

all vet content solo content is doable solo but you will have to change your build around a bit more then likely. The groups of mobs are larger (often 4 or more) and the have more health and hit harder. Just steaming in and spamming an AOE wont always work. You need to prioritise targets and have skills that cover more srnarios, AOE/CC/kitin etc. one strategy wont fit all